Mini-Ep 324: Ice Cream In A Hot Bath
Kate and Doree are back, and they missed each other and the listeners. They chat about their vacation reads, being in your 40’s, beauty prods worth a second look, and eating ice cream in a hot bath.
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Kate: Hello, and welcome to forever 35, a podcast about the things we do to take care of ourselves. I am Kate Spencer
Doree: And I am Doha freer,
Kate: And we are not experts.
Doree: We are not, but we are two friends who like to talk a lot about serums.
Kate: And this is a mini episode where we hear from you. We share your comments and thoughts, and we answer your questions to the best of our ability.
Doree: It's true, Kate.
Kate: We do that,
Doree: But please remember we are podcast hosts. We're not experts. And we always encourage you to seek support first and foremost, from a medical and or mental health professional as needed.
Kate: If you would like to reach us. Our voicemail number is 7 8 1 5 9 1 0 3 9 0. You can also text us there. And our email address is forever 35 podcast, gmail.com and Doria. I do just wanna note, you know, I was going through our voicemail today because we've been, uh, on hiatus for a month and we got a lot of butt dials.
Doree: Oh, interesting. Like we get
Kate: Them from time to time, but it felt like July people really just like had us in their butts. Yeah. Their butts were <laugh>. Their butts were trying to call
Doree: Us. We got, we got a butt dial on excellent adventure also.
Kate: What's going on with our butts right now. What
Doree: Is going on with butts?
Kate: I mean, that could basically be a topic for the new podcast that I launch.
Doree: What is going on? What's
Kate: Going on with butts. Yeah. You know, I love talking about butts.
Doree: What if you launched a butt podcast?
Kate: Well, you know, there really are podcasts about everything and you, I don't, I know you and I have done this where we're like, we should start a podcast about X and then you go and Google and there's like 27 podcasts.
Doree: Yes, yes, yes. This has happened.
Kate: You know, I would start it and then surely a celebrity would come in and start their own butt podcast that it would be super popular. Be like, you know, Kona O'Brien and Johnny Carson's ghost. Talk about buts or whatever, you know, celebrity podcast post.
Doree: Wow. Kate, we, I like this. This is a real, this is a real return to form for us.
Kate: Oh boy. Yeah. I know I'm real. <laugh> really, really rusty. I feel real rougher on the edges today. Uh, sorry. I took us off on this tangent already.
Doree: No, do not apologize, Kate, but I do just wanna remind everyone that they can visit our website for 35 podcast.com for links to everything we mentioned on the show. We are on Twitter where we don't tweet at forever 35 pod. And we are Instagram where we post infrequently, but we do post there, uh, at forever 35 podcast do have a forever 35 Facebook group at facebook.com/group/forever five podcast. The password serums. We also have a newsletter that was also on hiatus for July. That is back baby in August. Yeah. Uh, the first issue back from vacation is coming out on Thursday. So I'm excited about that.
Kate: Oh my gosh. I know what my Kate's corner is gonna be about. Oh,
Doree: I can't wait. And you can sign up for that at forever 35 podcast.com/newsletter. And you can also shop pros, shop my shelf.us/for 35 where they are arranged a little bit more thematically, intuitively, et cetera, et cetera.
Kate: Oh, well, here we are. Again, podcasting. I do feel like I have forgotten a little bit how to do this.
Doree: Okay. All right. Well let's,
Kate: I might need you to hold my, you don't hold my hand. <laugh> through the experience. <laugh>
Doree: Kate. I think you've got this. It's like riding a bike.
Kate: I, you know, I appreciate that Dory, but it really was like, there really was a bit of a mental reset for me in, not in, in, in foregoing, our kind of rigorous podcasting schedule. So it was, and then, you know, for, for two weeks I was on the east coast with family visiting with family. And so I I'm just kind of, you know, just even getting back into the schedule of it, the, um, administrative work, like all of the kind of stuff that goes into making a podcast, I'm like, oh right. Oh yeah, we do this for a living. Here we go. Yeah.
Doree: But also all
Kate: Also the whole month, I was like, I miss talking to Dory, like even though we texting,
Doree: I know, but I didn't wanna like bother you too much.
Kate: Same, same, but like, I really, it's really nice to have this outlet to where we just get to like, be friends on a podcast. I mean, we are friends, but you know what I mean? We get to just like chit chat as we've said before.
Doree: Totally.
Kate: So I don't know. I don't know if I, I did read a lot while I was away.
Doree: Oh.
Kate: And that was go on exciting. Well, I, of course, if you've listened to this podcast, I've been really into monster and alien romance. So I have course read, you know, uh, an or romance book and I'm reading an alien romance book. Um, the course airs series by my old friend, Ruby Dixon. Um, I read, thank you for your service, which is a new book by Markovich about, um, uh, basically like all the people who made, made Trump happen by, uh, capitulate capitulating. Is that the right word? You know what I'm saying?
Doree: Yeah. Okay.
Kate: It's it was a, it's a really great, it's a really funny readable book about, um, the Trump presidency that will make you annoyed and frustrated and filled with the, the same rage that you've been filled with for many years now, but it's also well written and kind of, um, meaty, like it's a, he has a, he has a real kind of, you know, just like wink, wink, easy to digest, um, style of writing. I read, um, thick Byre McMillan cotton, which was fantastic. And I actually did the audio book and that was wonderful. She reads it. I did. Oh, Dory. I did clean the science of skin.
Doree: Oh yeah. By James Hamlin.
Kate: Yes. And I did text you while I was listening to that because he mentions our podcast in the book.
Doree: So we are Twitter friends. Well, I kind of forgot about this
Kate: Humble brag.
Doree: Um, I forgot that we are Twitter friends.
Kate: It's a really good book. It's really interesting. And, um, you know, kind of coming off of our conversation, uh, with Jessica Dino, like it just it's, it really kind of helped me reflect deeper on, um, skincare, marketing, cultural expectations at Seterra. Um, and I, I thought it was just really interesting and I was also relieved because, you know, it's, it's taking a very critical look at the wellness industry and skincare and, and, and <laugh>, I was relieved that our, that we had a vaguely benign mention in the book. He, he, he's essentially talking about how community forms around these topics and mentioned the forever 35, you know, Facebook group that grew out of our podcast. The book is excellent. And I, I think it's a really good read, especially as in, you know, if you're a part of this listenership and this community in which we do talk about skincare and the products we buy and the things we like. Yes, it's a really great counterpoint and a great kind of reflection on why we, what we're participating in. Oh. And in, I also loved thick and I, I just, I think that was recommended by Jessica and I hadn't read it. And, um, one of the first essays in the book is about beauty. It's so good. And just another excellent. Uh, it's just an excellent read period. So I think I read, I think I read some other things, but those, those were my main reads.
Doree: I read some kind of like thrillers <laugh> I read the new Ruth wear book, the it girl did I mention that already? I haven't. I have to admit, I haven't been doing a ton of reading. Um, I read the new book in the Thursday murder club series. Oh, that's out in September. It's called the bullet that missed.
Kate: Okay. Okay.
Doree: It's delightful. Like the other two books in the series were, if you have read them. Um, I haven't been, I haven't been reading that much. I did watch the Lincoln lawyer.
Kate: Oh. I, I saw somebody else saying they got very sucked into this.
Doree: I got very sucked into the Lincoln lawyer. <laugh> now I should also, I should admit, I have read, I have not read the Bosch series, but I've read some of Michael Connolly's other books. Okay. You know, they're not, they're not like great literature, but they are compelling. Um, and they're readable. They're very readable and they take place in Los Angeles, which is fun. And the Lincoln lawyer takes place in Los Angeles and nev Campbell. Isn't it?
Kate: Oh, I mean, talk about an icon of our generation, a true
Doree: Icon. And like now she plays like a, a harried, very successful single mom.
Kate: Wow. From party of five from <laugh> to party of one <laugh>
Doree: Um, yeah. So if you like, you know, kind of like a fast paced procedural mystery detective kind of situation, um, you'll enjoy the Lincoln lawyer in my opinion opinion. Now,
Kate: Have you watched sexiest show of the summer? The bear yet?
Doree: I'm two episodes in.
Kate: Okay.
Doree: Have you watched the whole thing?
Kate: I haven't, I haven't started it. I've kind of like been keeping it on the back burner to whip out when I need a show. I just, I can dig
Doree: In just, I just started it a few days ago. Um, I'm enjoying it. I'm liking it. You know, it's always tricky with those shows that get so much hype. Like you go into them kind of like, is this gonna be good? Yeah. And it, I think it, I I'm really I'm enjoying it. I think it is good. Um, it's very intense though. And I I've seen people talking about this on social media, um, that, like, if you ever worked in a restaurant kitchen or probably ever in any aspect of a restaurant, it could give you like some severe PTSD
Kate: <laugh> wow. Oh, I only ever worked as a, um, host at a restaurant.
Doree: I worked in a restaurant that had like a prepared food section and coffee bar. And I worked in that. I worked at Stephanie's on Newberry, Kate
Kate: That's right. Mm-hmm <affirmative>. Which if you've never been as like a Boston,
Doree: I it's just like crazy that it it's still opened. Cause I worked there the summer. It opened
Kate: So crazy.
Doree: Just so funny, which was 27 years ago. Yeah. 1995. Oh my God. Um, okay. Wait, there was something else I was gonna say, oh, what we do in the shadows is back
Kate: Your fave show. I've never been able to get into it, but I, I should try again.
Doree: How many episodes did you watch? Just one.
Kate: No, I think like three.
Doree: Okay. See this, this might be my shits Creek.
Kate: Right? I was actually just gonna say that, which you could never get into, which I've watched,
Doree: Never get into
Kate: Five times.
Doree: Yes.
Kate: Look to each their own. But I will say I am very attracted to one of the vampires. Like he's in a billboard here in Los Angeles and every time I drive by it and I'm always like, oh, that vampires really attractive.
Doree: Nandor the,
Kate: The big,
Doree: The tall one.
Kate: Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
Doree: He's such a dope on the show that like, <laugh>, he's like not attractive, but he's, he's objectively, physically attractive, but his char, they, they turn his, they make his character like, so sort of like hapless <laugh>
Kate: That you can't crush, but like in real life he's a very attractive person. Yes,
Doree: Yes, yes, yes. Okay. And I think that's why he's probably like a comic genius because he's able to play this character like so straight. Do you feel like
Kate: You are able to quote unquote relax while we took a podcasting break or did life go on in its own stressful way?
Doree: Um, kinda both. Like, it was definitely nice to have some just free days mm-hmm <affirmative> oh, I don't have to think about podcast stuff. Um, but you know, it also just like the space gets filled by other things, you know?
Kate: Totally. I totally get it. So it's really weird how that happens. Right. I had a similar, you know, I am working, I'm really working a ton on, uh, the book I'm writing. And so between that and just the general, like family management stuff, mm-hmm <affirmative>, you know, it ended up being like very, it was both, it was both. And also, you know, I ended up seeing, I saw a lot of family because I did visit my family on the east coast and that's both like amazing. And also like emotionally not draining is the wrong word cuz it's fulfilling, but it's a lot. I get it's it's just emotional for me to see my family. Yeah. Especially still in the wake of like of work still in COVID and you know, there's just so, so many things that kind of come along with that. Um, so it was, it was wonderful, but I also am like, I'm tired. I thought I was supposed to just like, not be tired, but also I'm tired all the time. That's why I'm taking a million supplements. So yeah. There you go.
Doree: Um, well Kate, it's been great to catch up.
Kate: I know we could do this for an hour, but we do need to hear for, from some listeners.
Doree: Okay. Let's do that. Uh, we'll be right back. Well,
Kate: We have a little skincare recommende here. Someone wrote or not someone, a listener who had written to us previously said, this is the listener who called in a while back lamenting Olay Hendrickson's sheer transformation, moisturizer being discontinued. And you did an amazing deep dive on it for me. I did. I went a little, I would say this is, would be an ADHD hyper fixation moment for me in which I was badgering the Olay Hendrickson PR person about it. That was sorry. An editor's note, uh, back to the email or the text. I just wanted to let you know that after months of trying and trying different brand formulas, I finally found one that I really like quite a lot. It's skin suits, daily moisture before buying it. I also asked in the Facebook group, if anyone had used it and Dory chimed in. So a big thank you to both of you for helping on this journey. Okay. So Dory, do you like this moisturizer? Have you tried it? Because of course immediately my gut instinct was that I now had to have it, which I realized, I just talked about how I read a whole book about how I don't need skincare. But
Doree: Yes, in fact, I remember this Facebook group thread, this person posted about this and like, she was kind of like this, this is, this moisturizer is expensive. Has anyone tried it? Is it worth it? And I was like, honestly it kind of is.
Kate: Mm.
Doree: And she came back like, I don't know, a month or two later. And she was like, I've like, thank you. I've been using it. And I love it.
Kate: Look at that. Okay.
Doree: Yeah.
Kate: Is this something you still use on a regular basis or are you using something else at
Doree: The moment? No, I, yeah. I mean, you know, me, I just, uh, I like what I like, but I also like to use the stuff that we get for free <laugh>
Kate: Yes, we are frugal <laugh>
Doree: Yes. So
Kate: It's really nice to get stuff in the mail.
Doree: Yeah. So I've, I I've been using, you know, just some like random, I will say also, um, skin fix sent me their new gel moisturizer and I really like it.
Kate: You like it? Okay. All right. Skin fix makes very nice products, but
Doree: The skin suits is really is, is a very nice, a very nice moisturizer.
Kate: All right. Well, I'm so glad to hear this follow up from this, um, listener. Thank you,
Doree: Listener. Yeah.
Kate: All right. Well, I, I received a call in from a listener and I thought we should share that.
Doree: Okay.
Kate: I can read this as well. Okay. I have to take exception with Kate's comment on the recent mini episode about gender reveal parties that boomers care more about the gender of the baby than younger generations. I was born at the end of the baby. Boom, and I don't really feel like a boomer, but still I'd like to remind you that feminists in the sixties and seventies were questioning the essentialism of gender and its role in our lives. So most of the people I know of my age and beyond have been questioning strict gender norms for a long time. Don't get me wrong. I agree with you completely on gender reveal parties, but had to call out what sounds like ageism to me, but I still love you both. And the pod.
Thank you. Listener. I appreciate this food for thought. And I also just wanted to note, like in, in thinking about ageism, I definitely do think I kind of like pigeonhole all people of the boomer generation in, in kind of like one way, the way I know we, we often talk about, you know, different generations and kind of these like general terms of, you know, stereotypes for each generation. But you know, there, this listener's not wrong. Like the, the younger generation is the one who created these whole gender reveal parties. You know, it's not like this is an a, you know, totally centuries old traditions. So I appreciated this call in listener. Thank you.
Doree: Hmm. All right. We have another email greetings, Kate and Dory. First of all, Kate happy Beld birthday. That's right. Kate celebrated your birthday while we were away.
Kate: I did do that. I'm 43 now. Feels good. Ready to be here?
Doree: Yeah. Um, alright. Uh, I will be turning 40 in a few weeks and let's just say, I'm not handling it too. Well. I know that many people don't have the privilege of reaching this age and while I'm so grateful on one level, my unreasonable side is in a funk about the loss of youthful, beauty, and even opportunities ranging from a big career change to going back to school for an MBA. It also bugs me that so many people are making a big deal about 40 and someone older even said, you're entering the decade of getting ready for menopause. Gee, thanks, Kate Dory. I'm desperate for your Sage advice. How is being in your forties? Many thanks. Almost 40 and freaking.
Kate: Mm. How is it being in your forties? It's fine. Like it's okay. The water's the water's warm get on in, you know?
Doree: Yeah. Yes.
Kate: It's like kinda nice.
Doree: Well, and you know, what I think is interesting about for me, at least being in my forties is that I, I feel like, I think about my age a lot less than I did when I was in my thirties. I
Kate: Do too. I do too. Like, I don't even really care what it is anymore.
Doree: Yeah. Like it felt like in my thirties and I mean, I guess this is kind of what I wrote a whole book about that. Like, it just seemed like I was constantly kind of like stressing about milestones that I felt like I should be reaching. And also like certain ages loomed very large for me. Mm-hmm, <affirmative> kind of in my own personal cultural imagination, like 35 and 40 just, you know, I like built these up in my head and now I'm just kind of like, oh, okay. Like I, I have, I have like other things to worry about <laugh>, you know?
Kate: Yeah. And I think also, you know, so I just wanna read this, someone older even said you're entering the day, the decade of getting ready for menopause. Yeah. I mean so many things that happen to our bodies and I'm speaking specifically of, uh, people assigned female at birth. So many things that are described that happen to our bodies are often described negatively. Like I've ne rarely have we heard a positive description of menstruation or menstruation <laugh> or menopause. I mean, and these are not to take away from the fact that these are, can be excruciating and come with their own, you know, physical and emotional and medical challenges. But I, I, I wonder if like, well, what's, what's bad about entering the decade of getting ready for menopause. Like yeah. Okay. That's, that's probably true, but there's nothing wrong with that. There's nothing wrong with, I mean, I haven't gone through menopause yet, so watch me change my tune the second I do, but I just feel like our bodies are spoken about so negatively the experiences, the change that we go through. Mm. I just wanna like shut the fuck up. Anyway. Look, it's great. Being 40. I feel much more relaxed about stuff. I, I kind of give less, I don't give less shits cuz I'll never be a person who isn't self-conscious and self and aware in that way, but I feel a little bit more like, I don't care.
Doree: Totally.
Kate: So get in here. We're excited to have you. It's gonna be nice. Just trust
Doree: Us. Yeah. Just trust us. Just come on.
Kate: <laugh> yeah. And like they, they, they did mention that the unreasonable side of their mind, as in a funk about the loss of youthful, beauty and opportunities ranging from a big career change to going back to school for an MBA, you can still do those last two things. Anytime my, my father went and got his master's degree in his late sixties. So you can, you can do it. And beauty is a scam. So don't let go of the youthful beauty thing. If you can.
Doree: Mm-hmm <affirmative>
Kate: Easier said than done. We know.
Doree: Well, Kate, let's take a little break.
Kate: Okay.
Doree: We come back a couple of voicemails back here is a voicemail.
Voicemail: Ugh. I can't believe it. Um, I finally have a to call in. This is Amy. Hi, I'm 35 too. I've listen to your podcast. So again, thank you so much for being I'm way behind on episode. So forgive me, but the hardest hoof episode guys, it works. I do have to apply it twice. Today. I do it in the morning and at night and I trim my nails, but they are growing long and strong and my cuticles are nourished with a caveat. If I ever wanna paint my nails, then you kind of lose like that section of nail growth while the Polish is on. It's not getting strengthened by the heart cream, whatever it's cream potion who cares. Um, it does work, but you have to kind resolve to having no fun colors on your nails and just plain gorgeous long fingernails. So I'm sure you had about 40 other people call in about this, but I just wanted to make sure that you knew that it work. So Kate, I hope you a,
Doree: Did we get Jillian, other people calling in about this?
Kate: No, we didn't.
Doree: Okay.
Kate: Not to disrespect you listener, but I just want you to know that like the hardest hoof fans didn't come out of the woodwork to like, you know, correct us on this. That being said, I immediately went and got my hardest as hoof out of the cabinet, put it right on my nails.
Doree: Mm. Okay.
Kate: Have they gotten stronger in the last four hours? No, here's what I will tell you. Um, I have as discussed over the last few months, I like really damaged my nails and weakened them incredibly. And then I don't know if I discussed this, but I had a nail fungus. It was like, it was everything that it, everything that could go wrong did. And so I stopped doing anything except just, um, you know, putting stuff on them. I gave up on that TikTok oil. I used it last night, but I hadn't been using it for a while. My nails are significantly stronger. And I think it's because I'm taking a lot of vitamins.
Doree: Oh,
Kate: Like I, yeah. That's, that's actually, um, that's actually what I think it might be, uh, you know, what I, that's interesting and something that, um, I just recently read is that low, like iron deficiency, one of the signs of it can be brittle, brittle nails or thin nails. And, um, I have like very low, uh, iron stores, like super low. Oh wow. Like, yeah. I told my <laugh>, I told my aunt who's a nurse, how low they were. And she was like, so they're super low. I'm I'm now taking a lot of iron under the care of a doctor. Uh, but I've noticed my nails getting stronger. So do we think that's it? I don't know, but that's my hypothesis. Fascinating, uh, yippity up. Okay. Well, let's, let's transition to this next voicemail because this listener's basically gonna paint a picture of possibly like one of my biggest fantasies.
Voicemail: Hey, this is Hannah. I finally my, and I share my new summer practice in which I get in a, and I eat ice cream in a coffee cup with magic shell all over it. And its the best hope you guys had a great trip and time.
Kate: Okay. Now look okay. What is stopping from doing this? May I, well, I mean, I, I know that we've discussed that like drawing a bath. Isn't gonna like be the thing that sets our drought over the edge. But like I just, right now we are in, we are, I just can't. I just like cannot bring myself to use that much water, honestly fair. Um, I, something about eating food in a tub is hard for me to wrap my head around. I don't know if I could do it. Okay. Okay. I don't know. Could you eat in the bathtub? I feel like I could eat ice cream. I mean, this sounds, I do love the contrast of hot and cold. Like that's kind of appealing to me. Yeah. I will say Dory and this might be very controversial, but I hate magic shell. Like hate doesn't even begin to cover it. Oh interesting. I can't handle magic shell on my ice cream. So I would have to do like a sprinkle chocolate fudge situation. I mean, I think, I think that could, that could be <laugh> it's not the magic shell. That's making it a break breaking in for me. But yeah. I mean, I dunno, I don't, I mean I've had like tea in the tub or wine in the tub, you know, like I, I think I could eat in the tub. It sounds nice. What happens if you drop a blob of it in you just float around, just deal with it. I don't know.
Doree: Yeah. And I mean, if you get it on your face, it's easy to wash it off.
Kate: Well, that's true. And I definitely would get it on my face so
Doree: You know.
Kate: All right. Good point. Well, tell us more about your eating in the bath rituals people. Cause I'm like in college, we definitely drank beers in the shower. You know, like a shower beer. Did you do that in college? You ever have a shower? Beer?
Doree: No, but oh that's but I, I, I identify with that.
Kate: Yes. You can like see that right? Yes. Have a nice cold beers. You pre-game by yourself. So, I mean, I don't know food in the tub. Talk to us.
Doree: Yeah, let's hear it. Well, Kate it's really it's it's truly been a pleasure.
Kate: It's been fun. I will say like starting to remember how this works. Yep. We'll see. We'll see if I get my
Doree: Same,
Kate: Get my wings.
Doree: All right, everyone. We will talk to you later.
Kate: Bye.
Doree: Bye.