Mini-Ep 323: Perfect Is The Enemy Of Good

Kate and Doree mull over their conversation with past guest Jessica DeFino. Then, they hear from listeners about how to zuzh up a private bathroom, the work of maintaining friendships when you’re in different parts of your lives, and get an update on the listener’s mom's 70th birthday.

To leave a voicemail or text for a future episode, reach them at 781-591-0390. You can also email the podcast at forever35podcast@gmail.com.

Visit forever35podcast.com for links to everything they mention on the show or shopmyshelf.us/forever35.

Follow the podcast on Twitter (@Forever35Pod) and Instagram (@Forever35Podcast) and join the Forever35 Facebook Group (Password: Serums). 

Sign up for the newsletter! At forever35podcast.com/newsletter.

Disclaimer: This post contains affiliate links. 

Transcript

 

Kate: Hello, and welcome to forever 35, a podcast about the things we do to take care of ourselves. I'm Kate Spencer,

Doree: And I am Doree Shafrir,

Kate: And we are not experts.

Doree: We're not, we are two friends who like to talk a lot about serums.

Kate: That's all we are. And this is a mini episode where we hear from you. We share your comments and your thoughts, and we answer your questions to the best of our ability. And oh, I just cut your line off. Sorry. Do

Doree: Oh, no. I mean, it's fine. If you wanna take it, please.

Kate: You'll

Doree: Podcast. We always encourage you to seek support first and foremost from a and mental health professional as needed.

Kate: If you would like to reach us, however, please, please do our text message. And voicemail number is 7 8 1 5 9 1 0 3 9 0. You can also email us where you can send us a voice memo at forever five podcast, gmail.com

Doree: And you can visit our website forever 35 podcast.com for links to everything we mentioned on the show do follow us on Twitter at forever 35 pod on Instagram at February 35 podcast. And join the forever 35 Facebook group at facebook.com/groups/forever 35 podcast. The password is serums and you can sign up for our newsletter at podcast.com/newsletter. And we have a shot shelf.us/where we have pros arranged kind, uh, more thematically. But Kate, you wanna talk about pros today?

Kate: I do. I mean, I also wanna talk about chia pudding. So which road do you wanna go down here?

Doree: <laugh> wow. Um, two roads

Kate: Diverged in a yellow wood do, and we can talk about both and I do wanna talk about some prod thoughts that I've been having, but I've just been eating this really good chia pudding. And I was curious, are you a chia pudding person?

Doree: I do love chia pudding. I don't need it that much, but I do. I do really like

Kate: It. Okay. So the first time I had it, I was so horrified by the texture that I was like, this isn't what I was expecting, like a gooey crunchy mess, but now I'm very into it. And I made my own with a period mango and it's really good,

Doree: Pure mango. I curate some

Kate: Frozen. Okay. I followed a recipe and I can, can share one that is similar, but yeah, I just, you know, I put some chia seeds and some coconut and almond milk, and then I pureed some mango that was frozen, but I let it sit out and it became like, I mean, the texture's almost baby food, but it's like delicious baby

Doree: Food.

Kate: Mm-hmm <affirmative> and then I put all that mango on top and then I mix it together.

Doree: It's really good. Yeah.

Kate: That's what I was eating before we started recording. Ah, and listeners, you don't necessarily know this, but what I like to do is eat up until the exact minute before we start recording. And then, um, I log to record the episode and I'm like chomping into Doree's microphone. This is a problem. This is a thing I do. And

Doree: It's like literally one of my biggest pet peeve <laugh> so I do enjoy muting Kate <laugh>

Kate: I'll be like, I come on like mid chew. I am, I'll

Doree: Be like, I muted you. Yep.

Kate: Literally the other day Dorry greeted with me with hello. Chompy

Doree: <laugh>

Kate: Cause I was jump, jump jumping away. But yeah, I was eating that now. I know to mute myself, uh, as a, as an act of kindness and, um, that's what I was slurping away on my mango and chia pudding. It was delicious.

Doree: Oh, I mean, now I'm kind of craving some now that you mention it.

Kate: It's so easy to make too, because it's literally just your chia seeds and some, whatever liquid you got lying around, you know,

Doree: What do do you use like almond milk? Like what do you

Kate: Use? I used it for this. I used a mixture of almond and coconut whole fat like coconut milk, but I, but I normally just do almond milk.

Doree: Okay. Okay.

Kate: Yeah. That's quite tasty. Anyway. Speaking of pros, you know, I, in the wake of our interview with Jessica Dino,

Doree: Yes.

Kate: I have really been just kind of thinking about what I put on my skin. Okay. And what products I consume.

Doree: Mm mm.

Kate: Okay. Which I think is the, is the point of any good conversation, right? Like one hopes that anytime you listen to somebody or talk to someone you're pushed to think and question and reflect,

Doree: I think that's a really, really great point, Kate.

Kate: Right? So I really, I, if you haven't gone and listened to our interview with Jessica highly, highly, highly recommend doing so it's a great conversation. She is, um, a really wonderful essentially anti product beauty reporter. And, you know, I tend to be, as we've discussed on this show, a person who just slaps a bunch of stuff on their face

Doree: Mm-hmm <affirmative> mm-hmm <affirmative> mm-hmm

Kate: <affirmative> and in the wake of our conversation, I've kind of pulled back a little bit to just see what that would feel like.

Doree: And how does it feel?

Kate: Pretty good.

Doree: Oh yeah.

Kate: I have a huge Z on my chin. Huge. I have a star, one of my stars that stickers also, I haven't told you this, one of the best moments of the last week of my life is that my nine year old had an enormous black head on her forehead and I got pop it.

Doree: No. Oh my God. Yeah. <laugh>

Kate: I had to, like, I honestly, this was not my best parenting moment cuz she was nervous. She doesn't really, she doesn't get pimples yet. And she was like, is it gonna hurt? And I was like, absolutely not, but it was so ready to come out that it lit, she, it actually did not hurt, but I was like, I just need to like kind of fib and then get my hands on this pimple.

Doree: Oh my God, Katie

Kate: Doree was like, I know I was like, doctor, it was so big

Doree: Dying.

Kate: Like I was drooling over it. Like you might Dr. Over like a beautiful handbag or like a delicious meal. I was like, get my hands on that. Bam.

Doree: My God, this is so funny.

Kate: It was D it was amazing highlight of my week. I mean, look, there's not a lot good happening right now. So one popped pimple is all I need. But yeah, I, I guess I just was thinking also about how she talked about what she's focused on is protecting her microbiome, which

Doree: Yeah.

Kate: You know, is kind of like a current hot word in the skincare

Doree: Space. Mm-hmm <affirmative>

Kate: But I also think that it is a really legitimate focus. And as we've talked about before, like over exfoliating can, is really a practice, especially in the way that we grew up, where we were essentially like sandpaper our skin.

Doree: Yeah, totally.

Kate: Like even right now I'm wearing this star zit sticker on my face and I like went out with it on and like, can

Doree: You, if we

Kate: Had had zits in the nineties, would you have ever put a big, bright yellow star sticker on it?

Doree: Doubtful?

Kate: No. Like we did whatever we could

Doree: To hide. Yes.

Kate: Our

Doree: Pimples. Yes.

Kate: So even just that is such a mind shift.

Doree: Yeah.

Kate: So that's what I've just been thinking about. Like what am I doing here? And also then, you know, like in the broader context of things, like what systems am I actively participating in here?

Doree: Ooh. Now we're getting into it.

Kate: I think, you know, you and I are two people who do a podcast that's like rooted in us loving to chit chat about serums, which I'm also never gonna stop loving serums.

Doree: Yeah. I mean, I think it's, it's complicated. Um, I don't have the answer. I enjoy doing this podcast. I think we have, like, I think we have struck a balance between talking about products and talking about other things. Um, and you know, maybe that balance will shift a little bit more in the direction of talking about other things, but it's like, do we, do we change our, you know, opening tagline? Like, is that just like, are we totally moving away from that? I don't

Kate: Think so. I don't don't think I am,

Doree: But I think it's worth like interrogating for sure.

Kate: Yeah. Definitely. And I, it's also hard for me too, because one thing I think about is like, am I just in the matrix? Like even if I think I'm removing myself from this from participating, like, am I ever really removing myself from participating in, let's say in beauty culture, mm-hmm, <affirmative> like, is that even fully possible? And I think kind of what I gathered from Jessica is like, no, it's not, you know, and like, totally that is cause of the way everything's set up.

Doree: She fully admits that like she also still participates in beauty culture.

Kate: Yeah.

Doree: Um, but I think she does a really good job of like interrogating her participation and making choices that like align with her values.

Kate: I'm,

Doree: You know, maybe it is worth coming up with the sort of like ethos of product consumption.

Kate: Yeah. I mean, I think the biggest thing that, one of the biggest things that stuck out to me that she said was that she's really trying to limit her use of plastic, which I feel like I come in and out of doing a good job of mm-hmm <affirmative> and that kind of reentered that for me. Good. Um, yeah. You know, then I like looked on my counter and I was like, my counter's basically a landfill.

Doree: Yeah. And I mean, I think the other thing about, well, I think the other thing that's just important to keep in mind is like these changes don't happen overnight and they're incremental.

Kate: Yes. And I also think that perfect as, as the quote goes perfect, is the enemy of good, right? Like striving to be perfect. All sets us up for failure with most, if not everything. So, you know, knowing, trying to do your best and knowing that it's not going to be perfect, I think is

Doree: Well, and I think, you know, also applying purity tests to yourself or others is, is also, can also be problematic because it kind of fails to take into account. Like I said, people's like incremental changes. Like if you are someone who bought, like, I'm just, I'm exaggerating here. 500 products in plastic containers a year and now you buy 50. Yes. You are still consuming, but you've like drastically reduced your consumption. And like that person should get credit for that. You know what I mean? So like, yeah, I do think it's unrealistic to suddenly expect everyone. And this is how I also feel about fashion. Like I, you know, I try to buy secondhand where possible I try to shop ethically sustainably, but like, I, I do also buy dresses from old Navy, you know, like I try, I've tried to like reduce my consumption of fast fashion, but I'm not perfect. I'm not totally there yet. So I kind like it, what it,

Kate: Yeah. I mean, I'm with, on that. I'm definitely wearing a, a top from target right now and it's a good top I'm

Doree: Shirt. It was from target also

Kate: See, look, we're just stuck in that tars. I mean, you know, yeah, there, I mean this, I mean not to just keep citing amazing interviews that we've done, but our conversation with Aja barber, I think also touched on a lot of these ideas. Oh my God, wouldn't you brain

Doree: Kate. I feel this is be an ongoing conversation is it's a real

Kate: Food for thought

Doree: For me. And I'm glad that we are talking about it's also from listeners

Kate: And to Doree, I just noticed in our notes that this coming Sunday is international self care day. Oh, a holiday I've never celebrated or heard of

Doree: Same,

Kate: But happy international self care day to all who celebrate.

Doree: Yes. Happy international self care day.

Kate: Well, um, here was a text message that I feel like captured everything. I like, first of all, thank you both so much for providing a podcast that serves both as a respite from the heavy news, we've all been processing and also as a motivational informative tool for how we can all continue fighting for our fundamental rights. Well, thank you. That was a really nice compliment that I included. They go to write, I live in Kansas and on August 2nd, we'll be voting on an amendment that would strip Kansas' fundamental, right to an abortion. Had to share with Kate horse Spencer, that a wonderful group of young activists have started a vote nay movement to help encourage folks to vote. No on August 2nd horses and pro abortion activism. Yes. I'm here for it. This is other cans out there.

Doree: This is like the ven diagram of all your interests.

Kate: I mean, truly just like slap a butt that needs care in the middle there. And this is everything I like we'll include their, their website, but the listener included it. It's www dot Ks vote. NA E I com I love it so much. I love it. I love it all you Canon's out there. I didn't realize there was this amendment. Thank you listener for looping us in you're the best

Doree: You are the best. All right. Um, here is an email. Hi Kane, Doree. A few years ago, I got a promotion which included a new office that has my own bathroom.

Kate: Wow.

Doree: Wow. Now that I'm back in the office full time, I'm looking for ways to make it feel more luxurious and special. It's pretty small and not updated, but it's all mine. Despite listening to forever 35 from the start, I'm a bit overwhelmed at how to begin making it a usable and self caring space would love to hear your ideas. Thanks so much for all your podcast and getting me hooked on Taha products.

Kate: Oh my God. I've been using the water cream lately.

Doree: I love

Kate: Really do too. Okay. I mean, first of all, can we just, I've never heard of a person having their own bathroom in their private office.

Doree: I feel like it's a, um, it's like an executive perk. Like when I worked at rolling stone, when I worked at rolling stone, Y we had a, had a bathroom in his office.

Kate: Do you think that's, who's writing us right now?

Doree: Yes. <laugh> definitely

Kate: G wonder. Well, I mean, it's also a little cuz my initial reaction is like get a lovely candle, but you can't often burn candles in corporate office buildings. So you've gotta go regulation here. What about one of those? Um, of course I can't the name diffusers with the sticks that stick out.

Doree: Oh yeah. Read diffuser.

Kate: Read diffusers. Okay. I'm gonna drop some read diffusers that I think would first be nice if you have a nice like signature scent that probably isn't too overwhelming. Cause you never know who's gonna be coming in to your office.

Doree: Mm.

Kate: You know,

Doree: Mm-hmm <affirmative>

Kate: Um, but PF candle co makes a bunch of read diffusers that I love. Um, golden coast is one I have in my bathroom. That's really nice. So I highly recommend their read diffusers. That would be my first step is give your bathroom a signature scent.

Doree: I love that. I love that idea.

Kate: All right. Moving over to the sink area.

Doree: Okay.

Kate: What are we doing here also? Do we think this bathroom has like a,

Doree: I'm gonna guess.

Kate: So a hand soap,

Doree: What kind of hand soap would you recommend?

Kate: Well, what's our budget here? What are we working with?

Doree: Yes. Great question.

Kate: Cause like an ASOP hand soap. You can never go wrong.

Doree: Yeah. But that's like, what are they like 40 bucks or something.

Kate: $1 million. And who, anytime I see an ASOP hand soap, I'm like you are making a statement. Would that hand so totally I'm here for it, but that's a that's as spicy meatball as you like to say. Yeah. <laugh>

Doree: Indeed. Um, you know, I mean, I,

Kate: I

Doree: Think a, I think a Mrs. Myers is always like a, a totally reasonable choice.

Kate: Now what I like to do is just go to ye old target shop and get yourself, you know, like a matching little hand soap Bo like a ceramic hand soap bottle and a tissue holder. And then you just put whatever dial soap you have in there. So it looks be like the, the visual element is nice, but you're just using a regular old hand soap, like is ASOP hand soap truly superior to all other hand soaps.

Doree: The only thing that I would say to that is like, I think only do that if like, if you have an actual vessel, don't fill an ASOP container with dial hand. So, oh

Kate: No, no, no. I'm talking about buying as you say your own vessel. Yeah. From say like the hearth and home line <laugh> at target.

Doree: Uh, you mean the, uh, Magnolia?

Kate: Yeah. Or excuse me, it's hearth and hand hearth and hand. I love all the different target brands. Um, but

Doree: That's Joanna and Chip's line.

Kate: It is. It is. I mean, I'm not saying like give Joanna and chip all your money. There's another, um, Opal house. That's another one I like at

Doree: Target. Yes, yes, yes.

Kate: You know, just Blakeney also has some pretty things at target. Although I don't know if she's like bathroom items.

Doree: Mm.

Kate: Her line's really pretty. Okay. So that would be my other suggestion. A pretty soap doesn't need to be expensive. What about Doree? Like hand towels?

Doree: I was thinking that like some really nice, um, absorbent, but soft hand towels.

Kate: Now I realize we just talked about sustainability at the top of this episode and I'm gonna now backtrack on everything I said, okay,

Doree: I'm listening. Maybe,

Kate: Maybe get yourself a soft toilet paper. Oh

Doree: Yeah.

Kate: But soft toilet paper is not made from recycled paper and it's not good for the planet. So I mean, you gotta, you know, don't maybe don't do it. I'm struggling on this one, but maybe get yourself your own toilet paper that is perhaps a little bit more soft and pliable than the office toilet paper.

Doree: Yeah. Cause the office toilet paper is always like single ply.

Kate: Oh my gosh.

Doree: Yeah.

Kate: The other thing I'm thinking of, I mean, you could put a little throw rug in there. You could hang up art.

Doree: Mm mm-hmm

Kate: <affirmative> you could add plants or fake plants because I'm not sure if there's a window and you might just want, you know, a fake plant goes a long way.

Doree: I like all these ideas. Kate, you should be a consultant for office bathrooms.

Kate: Well, I had one more thought,

Doree: Oh yes, go on. Which

Kate: <laugh>, I'm really invested in this bathroom, which is getting yourself some sort of like twinkle light situation or some, some sort of mood lighting situation. That's easy. So you don't

Doree: Have to, well,

Kate: Just in there, like pooping under those like bright yellow office lights.

Doree: I mean, I, I love it.

Kate: This is gonna be your sanctuary. That's all.

Doree: What about, what about like old school? Like getting, putting like magazines.

Kate: Yes.

Doree: Or books like toilet books. Remember people used to have toilet books.

Kate: Yeah. And I feel like the phone has really replaced toilet books and toilet magazines. Mm-hmm <affirmative> and that's like, it was so great. Like you'd go into someone's house and they would have some sort of like 1000 jokes to tell, you know, you's always like the most random book.

Doree: That is what I'm talking about. Ugh.

Kate: Yeah. I like it. That's a real vintage vibe. Doree. I like that. I love the idea of a toilet book. I miss things like that, you know, mm-hmm <affirmative> I know it's just me being nostalgic for the eighties, but I missed toilet books. <laugh> okay. I think we've, I think we've maxed out here. Do we have any other thoughts on how to make an office bathroom cozy and usable?

Doree: No, but I look forward to hearing an update.

Kate: I would also sincerely love photos of this office bathroom.

Doree: Yeah, me too. Um, alright. Well Kate, we should take another break. All. All right. We'll be right back. Let's do it.

Kate: All right. Let's shift gears a little bit Doree, because we've got a couple questions about like families and babies and stuff like that. All right. Here's the first email. My husband and I are very close with another couple and have been for years. We both have had babies in the past year and have raised our kids alongside each other. I am so grateful to have a partner that has a bit more of a flexible work schedule than my friend's husband, but I feel like my friend's husband is using his job to get out of a lot of parental responsibilities stating he cannot take time off because the quote place wouldn't run without him. My friend is often voiced to me that she's really struggling with taking on all of the home chores childcare and her full-time job all at once. She has had mental health issues in the past, and I wanna be there for her and take as much off her plate as possible. But I also feel like it's not my responsibility to be stepping in. Where is her partner in all of this? I personally am struggling, not stepping in to help her and also not having a conversation with her.

I don't think it's your responsibility to speak to her spouse.

Doree: No,

Kate: Unfortunately as much as I understand the desire, I suspect number one, that person would get defensive. And my other suspicion is that your friend who is the, I believe a woman, yes. Her, she might be embarrassed or irritated that you, you know, I just, I just think that's stepping into somebody else's partnership in a way that you do not need to take. Also, you've gotta set the boundary of stepping to help her, frankly.

Doree: Yeah.

Kate: Neither of these answers are very like nice of me. I don't know. I mean, what do you think Doree pass the mic here.

Doree: I mean, I agree. I don't think you can say anything to the spouse. I think you can say something to your friend about like, I think you can, you can open up with a conversation, you know, by saying something like, what do you think would help in terms of taking some things off your plate? I kind of lead her there.

Kate: I love this. This is a great idea,

Doree: You know, but don't like, come out and say it yourself and be supportive. Um, that's what I think that's what I would do.

Kate: And I mean, it sounds like the friend is already voicing that she's struggling and I think you can straight up say like, Hey, have you talked to,

Doree: Are you just like, Hey yeah. What is, what does Eric think?

Kate: Oh, see, in your scenario, he's Eric and in mine, he's Derek.

Doree: Oh, I thought you said Eric <laugh>

Kate: I like, I like him having two different names per scenario.

Doree: Um, I think I would, I think I would frame, I, I would probably frame it that way. Yeah. What does Eric, like? What does Eric think?

Kate: Yeah. Or like, what's he doing at home? You both have full-time jobs.

Doree: Yeah. Hmm. Weird.

Kate: Um, have you read this article about, um, partners taking on the bulk of the labor? I'm gonna send it to you. It might be good for you guys to read together if you, yeah. I mean, I'm not fan of what Eric Derek is doing, but I don't know if this is your thing to get into

Doree: Mm-hmm <affirmative>

Kate: All right. Um, Doree, why don't you read this next email?

Doree: Okay.

Hi. Do two of my very good friends have recently had their first babies in the past year and I'm trying to stay in touch, but it's definitely hard. And I feel out of place slash awkward. Now I don't have children and I'm not sure if I ever will. So I'm finding it harder to relate and have a hard time knowing what to say. The two friends do not live nearby. Both are several hours away out of state. So seeing them in person is difficult. I've been sending texts with how are you and insert child's name doing et cetera. But that only goes so far. And I don't always get a response. I know they're busy, but it's hard not to feel hurt slash left out. Is it wrong of me to feel hurt that I'm always the one reaching out. How do I stay in touch and maintain these friendships with our lives going in different directions. Thank you for the pod. I'm so glad I found it. Shout out to Caroline at G thinks. Just bought it. That's how I found forever 35. Shout out

Kate: Caroline.

Doree: Hey Caroline. Hi

Kate: Caroline. <laugh> I love you. Uh, oh boy. I, I mean,

Doree: I think this is a real, both things can be true scenario.

Kate: Yeah,

Doree: You are go on. You are not like you're not wrong to feel hurt, but also

The, the, the, the, the months, the postpartum months are, I mean, they're like literally a blur to me. And I like, I, I hate when people are like, don't take it personally, but it's also, like, I don't think you can take this personally, because it's just, it's so much, especially. And like you said, they had their first babies. It's, it's such a huge change that, and there's just so many new responsibilities. And so I, I think sometimes like, for me, sometimes people checking in to be like, how are you guys doing? It was almost like, it was just like too much to even respond. Yeah. Like I couldn't even the, the like emotional labor. And like, I realize this sounds sort of,

I don't know if it sounds rude or what, but I I'm just telling you how I felt like, but like the emotion, sometimes the emotional labor of being like, Hey, we're good. But like was just, just felt like too much. I was just, I was like exhausted and struggling. And it was, it was just like a lot, but it's also okay to like mourn the friendship that you had. The other thing that I will say is like, I don't think it will be like this forever. Um, I, I do think that like that first year is an especially challenging time. Um, and I think that things will kind of stabilize after that. So I don't know, Kate, what do you think?

Kate: I actually really agree with everything you said, and I hate to, I hate, I hate when people say this and I'm gonna say a thing I hate it is impossible to imagine what it is like having a new baby until you have a new baby. And I remember thinking to myself before my first child was born, I was like, I was a caregiver for my mom as she died of cancer. If I can handle that, I can handle this baby. And then that fricking baby arrived. And it was, it is beyond comprehension. Mm-hmm <affirmative>, for me, it was the physical exhaustion, the emotional exhaustion, the dips into depression that I felt, yeah, the way it completely made me question who I was. And if I had any worth anymore as a person, if I had anything to offer, other than just being like a feeder to this baby, mm-hmm <affirmative>, I mean, I, it, it now not everybody has this experience.

I'm just speaking as me, Kate, Spencer, but it can be really, really tough and it can, and I understand the feeling of being left out because I also think you do get left out and then people have kids and they immediately are bonding with the other folks who have the kids too. And it's like, no matter what you do to try to understand or participate, you, you are inherently just left out. Yeah. And that is really hurtful. Um, and I just wanna make sure that I'm acknowledging your feelings listener, because that is, that is, um, and ultimately like, this is not to say that the people with the babies bear no responsibility for maintaining friendships. Mm-hmm <affirmative>. Um, but I do think if these are people you care about giving them some grace in this moment, and, you know, maybe shifting your approach to just being, like thinking of you, you know, or sending a card, like just check it in, in that way and expecting nothing for now, I think is the way to go.

Um, and, and staying in touch and maintaining these friendships as your lives go in different directions. I really do think Doree is right. It's not always this way. My, my core group of friends from college about half of us have kids and half of us don't I think like four of us has kids and three of us don't and everybody like every, sorry, everyone's lives are different and going in different directions. But I think they, everyone has a commitment to being in touch with each other and supportive of each other. Yeah. So I think it will be, find a new balance for sure.

Doree: Yes.

And our last email, we have a lovely little update. Hey, Kenora, I'm the listener who wrote in for help with my mom's 70th birthday months ago, I wanted to update you in the forever 30 fam on what worked well. I asked guests to submit their favorite memories of my mom. I then put them on individual pieces of paper, folded them and put them in a glass container so that she could read them one by one. We also asked for folks to send in photos of slash with my mom and I upload the, I uploaded them to an aura frame hashtag thanks. She loved them, both. So hot tips for anyone looking for gifts for a sentimental mom.

Kate: Aww. I love it. I also love that she liked the aura frame. It's a really great product.

Doree: I just sent my mom.

Kate: It's great.

Doree: Yeah. That's so sweet. I love that so much.

Kate: Yeah. Well everybody thank you so much for reaching out to us. We really appreciate you keep it coming. We're here.

Doree: Oh. And just a note that a programming note, um, the next two weeks we'll be running rerun episodes. So check them out because you know, you might have missed them the first time around and there's some of our favorite episodes, so yeah. But just a heads up that that will be happening all.

 
Mini-EpisodesForever 35 Podcast