Mini-Ep 285: Fresh and Freckle Faced
Kate recounts the story behind her favorite number and Doree discovers she has a bit of a wave to her hair. Then, listeners petition a podcast name change, ask if anyone else has heard of the term “strawberry legs,” and shout out the freckle faces out there.
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Kate: Hello, friends and welcome to forever35, a podcast about the things we do to take care of ourselves. I am Kate Spencer
Doree: And I am Doree Shafrir,
Kate: And we are not at experts.
Doree: No, but we are two friends who like to talk a lot about serums
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Doree: And please do remember we are podcast hosts, not experts. And we ask that you seek support first and foremost, from a medical and or mental health professional as needed.
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Kate: There's the business.
Doree: There's the biz.
Kate: Okay. I've got my own personal biz. I'm just gonna keep dropping it here until my book comes out on March 15th. I am doing a live virtual event, uh, to celebrate my book release on March 18th, and I'm gonna be joined by a special guest who has bang Doree Shafrir. We are doing a forever35 ish live virtual chat. You can join us. I will include the link in the show notes. You've gotta sign up beforehand. Um, we would love to have you there. We'll take questions. We'll talk to people. Um, I've got a live event on March 16th at Al here in Los Angeles, a wonderful bookstore. Uh, I will also link to that and, uh, of course please pre-order my book before it comes out. If you wanna sign a copy, the link is in the show notes.
Doree: Yeah,
Kate: That's it. I'm in book, promotion rush. I am excited. It's my first fiction now. It's my first ever time ever doing fiction. I worked hard on it and I'm excited for it to be out in the world. It's been like, you know, years that I've been working on this book. So I'm trying to just ride the excitement, Doree, not get worried about anything.
Doree: And it's great.
Kate: Thank you. So thank you so much.
Doree: There's that?
Kate: Well, I'm excited to do this, like virtual chit chat with you. I feel like we always have a good time when we do live events together and we hadn't done one in a while. Maybe not since your book came out.
Doree: Yeah. Wow.
Kate: I'm ready to party. I'm ready to party in a zoom room with you and some listeners.
Doree: I mean, same. It's gonna be fun. Are people going to be able to submit questions, Kate?
Kate: Yes, they are Doree. If you want to know how things are going with my upper lip Z, which has returned, please ask that if you wanna know what Doreen and I like to do in our spare time, please ask that any question. There's nothing off limits. I mean, within reason, you know,
Doree: Anything goes,
Kate: Anything goes, let's get wild.
Doree: Kate, do you have anything else going on that you wanna talk about?
Kate: Oh, I'm just in this kind of like rush of my book coming out, which is really, it's just, you know, it's just really promoting it, getting, trying to get people excited to either buy it or request it from a library or request it from a book seller. And it, it can be kind of overwhelming and I'm just trying not to get like bogged down in my own brain about it.
Doree: Yeah.
Kate: Um, because I also, no, you know, like Anthony said something to me where he's like, I also hope you, like, I was like, I'm so worried. I'm so stressed, blah, blah, blah. And he's like, also you should like take a minute to enjoy it. You know, like, you're, this is the only time it's gonna happen with this book. Like just have fun. And I was like, what's fun. What's enjoying things. And I'm working on that in my life. And so that's really what I'm trying to do right now is just really enjoy getting to go through this experience.
Doree: Hmm.
Kate: I did also just wanna share a text that we got yesterday that really made me laugh. Someone wrote to us and they just said.
Text: it's my last day of being 35 time to change the podcast name to forever 36. Thanks. Bye.
Kate: I just really Was like You're right. Every time a listener has a birthday and gets older than 35, we should always change the name of the podcast just for the day. So today we're forever 36.
Doree: That's really exciting.
Kate: Yeah. Forever 36. Welcome.
Doree: I mean, it has a nice ring to it. I'm not gonna lie.
Kate: forever 36. It's nice. And I love an even number. Do you have number preference? Is that my OCD talking or does everybody
Doree: Have that? I do have a number preference.
Kate: Is it even or odd?
Doree: It's prime.
Kate: Oh, that's right. We've talked about this. You love prime numbers.
Doree: I do love a prime number. So most, mostly odd, except for two, of course two, I
Kate: Say course my brain. I'm like, I don't know what the prime numbers are. Three. I have no idea of
Doree: Three is a prime number.
Kate: Okay. Okay. Seven but two
Doree: Is even only even two is the only even prime number.
Kate: Oh, okay. Thank you.
Doree: Cause you know, it's only divisible by itself and one got it. Got it. Okay. So that is why I find two to be a perfect number.
Kate: Oh,
Doree: Even and prime.
Kate: Oh wow. Doree. I mean like how scratches that itch. It does. Well, my favorite number's 24. Oh,
Doree: Why is that?
Kate: Well, because my favorite baseball player on the Boston red Sox when I was a kid was number 24. That would be Dwight Evans, Ray fielder, golden glove winner. But then I just got in. I just love it. I just, two times two is four. Like it just feels good. I just like a double even. I don't know. I just love an even number, an odd number. Stresses me out.
Doree: I like 22. Okay. That's two twos.
Kate: Yeah. That would get into your prime situation. Even though 22 is not a prime number
Doree: Is not prime, but it's but
Kate: It honors
Doree: It honors two. Yes, exactly.
Kate: So I'm curious, so Doree,
Doree: Kate,
Kate: Your hair turned wavy when you got it cut.
Doree: I mean kind of like you can't really tell cause I'm wearing these huge headphones. Hold on. I'm gonna take them off.
Kate: Okay. Doree's modeling for me. Yeah. It's got a crinkle. It's got that nice like little crinkle. Oh yeah. It is really wavy.
Doree: It's cute. It like wavy. So
Kate: your hair just does that.
Doree: Well, it does. When I, when I put that styling stuff that I mentioned last time, the, the Bumble and Bumble stuff. Um, and then I kind of scrunch it. It like keeps a wave.
Kate: It's cute. I think it looks good.
Doree: I'm kind of like, okay. Um, so I could use some wavy hair tips from anyone who has them. I'm all ears.
Kate: I don't- my hair waves. Um, naturally, which it didn't used to do. It's changed over time.
Doree: I mean, people say that your hair changes after pregnancy. Well
Kate: Also doesn't it change every four years?
Doree: What
Kate: Did I make that up?
Doree: I think, I mean, I, I have never heard that. I'm not saying you made it up, but I have never heard it.
Kate: I make a lot of things up. And then in my brain, oh, here we go. I Googled hair changes. It there's a hair cycle. Allegedly. It possibly can change. Okay. Sorry. According to at our article by allure, your hair does change over time, but it's not every seven years is what the, um, kind of old wives tale is. I mean, also your hair can change after having chemotherapy can change after an illness. It's it's fascinating. The hair. Hmm.
Doree: The hair is very interesting. So, well,
Kate: I can tell you what I do, which is I, I don't brush it. I wet, I just add a curl cream to it and then just scrunch and I don't dry it and it, and then I don't brush it and that's, it'll, it'll kind of get a wave. It'll hold the wave.
Doree: That's basically what I that's basically what I've been doing.
Kate: Yeah. Well it looks good. I feel like you're doing it right. I'm not sure. Maybe you're you should be the one giving out the tips, not receiving. I'm just saying,
Doree: Wow.
Kate: Are you, are you gonna be talking about hair in your new newsletter? Like, or is it mostly parenting, but like isn't hair part of parenting. Is this a leap?
Doree: The, the, the, I, I do wanna clarify the, the newsletter is not about parenting per se.
Kate: Okay. Pardon. Pardon.
Doree: It is. It is about the lived experience of being a parent, but it is not about like how to parent or like parenting tips or things like that.
Kate: Right, right. Does that make, but it might. It does. And I do feel like technically you could discuss how to do one's hair as you ch like, as your body and life have changed, as you've gotten older, that could fall into this category. Am I
Doree: Correct? Would you like to do a guest column, Kate? I
Kate: Would be Sure my hair has changed. This is like a true I do. Now that we've talked about it, I, it's kind of surprising to me how much my hair has changed because I used to just have that stick straight hair. And at some point it got
Doree: A wave you're you're giving me an idea because every week in my newsletter, which you can subscribe to@Doreedotsubec.com, it's called now, we're talking, if you didn't hear me talk about it on the last episode, but every week we are going to have a big kind of like discussion prompt.
Kate: Hmm.
Doree: So maybe a good discussion prompt would be to talk about maybe like hair and how your personal grooming changed.
Kate: Oh, interesting.
Doree: You're giving me ideas. You're giving me ideas. Kate
Kate: Personal grooming is, uh, a fascinating conversation and how it's changed because also it's being influenced by like changes in culture.
Doree: Totally yes.
Kate: You know,
Doree: So listen, if you wanna get into these topics and other things that have to do with, you know, like I said, the experience of being a parent and also kind of how your identity shifts, when you become a, we would love to have you, you can also just be parent curious or parent adjacent. You don't have to be a parent to subscribe to my newsletter. We welcome one in all. Um, it's not an exclusive conversation. So Ute on over as my friend, Kate, Spencer would say,
Kate: Oh, look at that. Look at you, borrowing turn a phrase
Doree: To Doree, D O R E E dot Substack.com. And over there, you can subscribe to now we're talking the first month is going to be completely free. So all the subs, all the paid subscriber, only content is going to be free for the first month. So you can kind of get a, get a taste of what's what
Kate: I can't wait to get that taste a taste the flavor.
Doree: Um, well thank you, Kate. I'm excited to have you
Kate: I'll write up your column. Great. I'll that excited? I'll write that. Hey, it's me, Kate. Uh, my hair changed and I stole my 11 year olds curl cream.
Doree: Um, well, Kate, should we take a little break?
Kate: Yeah. Doree. Let us pause. And when we come back a term I've never heard before.
Doree: Same. Okay. We'll be right back.
Doree: All right. We have returned
Kate: Doree. I have never like the listener. Okay. So the listener writes to us. Let's just start with their email.
Email: Hi Kat + Dor, I was today years old (48) when I discovered the term strawberry legs. Does everyone know about this except me? Apparently this is a condition that causes black dots on your legs (hence the name strawberry) and is caused by clogged pores. I just assumed that my legs looked spotty because I was pale and I have dark hair. I am excited that maybe I can fix this? But also feeling somewhat ashamed that I should have known to prevent/treat this. So far I'm reading a lot about exfoliation and glycolic acid. Do either of you or listeners have tips to turn my strawberry legs into luscious legs?
Doree: Okay. I have never, like Kate said, I have never heard this term either.
Kate: It is a term because if you search strawberry legs, you know, your usual web MD and like healthline.com comes up and then a variety of like, you know, articles of like, I have strawberry legs and I'm proud. And I mean, again, who knew,
Doree: Who knew?
Kate: I think I might have this.
Doree: Oh, interesting. Okay.
Kate: I mean, it's just, it's, it's essentially, I I'm just, you know, I I've been doing some scrolling, but I believe it's just like inflammation of your hair follicles presumably from shaving. Um,
Doree: well, I also, I also just wanna say that there's no need to feel ashamed.
Kate: Yeah. We're all learning stuff all the time. Also. Like, yeah. Let's hope we all don't know the names that have been given to the things that we now have to like, worry about being wrong with us. Probably like in listen, you should be happy. You didn't know what strawberry legs were.
Kate: You know? It seems like it's a, it, I think you're again listener. I don't know. And so I don't wanna give like advice just based on what I've read on the internet about strawberry legs. Maybe if you it's something you wanna address people share what they've done, but I think you're on the right side of things with exfoliation and glycolic acid and maybe also moisturizing because it sounds like dry skin might have a lot to do with it. So you're probably gonna wanna exfoliate that Dr. Exfoliate, the dry skin off and then hydrate, and also the glycolic acid would help with the, the, with the clogged pores.
Doree: Mm.
Kate: Do you think this is what strawberry shortcake was really about? And we just didn't know because we were children.
Doree: Definitely.
Kate: She's a grown woman with strawberry legs and that's
Doree: Oh my gosh, yes.
Kate: Yeah. I mean, has, did you all know about this except for Doree and this listener and me,
Doree: Let us know,
Kate: Let us know. Is it the three of us who have no idea anyway, listener? You're not alone. We were also today years old when we learned the term, oh, Doree, this is from a very sweet listener. Who's written into us.
Doree: Oh yeah. I'm obsessed with this listener.
Kate: I know,
Doree: I know. We, we don't usually name the listeners who write into us, but I think we need to give Barb a shout out.
Kate: Barb has written in before with like makeup tips and stuff. And I believe Barb came to the podcast via their daughter.
Doree: Yeah, that sounds right.
Kate: So Barb wrote a really nice comment to me saying that my reflection today about feeling guilty to give yourself downtime really hit home.
Email: I'm now retired after having worked since I was a teenager in the last 25 years as an elementary teacher, as well as raising three daughters going to the gym. Etc. So being retired was a relief because it came end of June, 2020, but it is now almost two years later. And like you, I feel guilty if I watch a mindless show like the bachelor in the middle of the day, I volunteer several times a week, meet friends to walk with, have become a fifties wife, cooking, nice meals and enjoying that time in the evening and allow myself an hour. So after dinner to do some jigsaw puzzles, but somehow that midday treat of sitting and reading a book or watching a show brings on major guilt.
Kate: I thought this was really interesting because the midday, something about midday feels like we should all be working. And actually the midday is the time when like you should be reading a book because your attention span is like ripe and right. Ready for information. Like when I sit down and read at 10 o'clock at night, no sir.
Doree: Mm.
Kate: Barb also wrote.
Email: my questions about Jade rollers. I now own one and have been using it both morning and night, but wonder how long in minutes are you supposed to use it and what exactly is it doing for my skin other than feeling refreshing and wonderful. That's it for me? Thanks again to you both warmly Barb forever 35 plus 32.
Doree: Wow.
Kate: That makes Barb 67. I can do the math,
Doree: Uh,
Kate: Doree. Do you use a Jade roller? Do you use a Jade roller?
Doree: I do not. I do not. I own Jade rollers, but I just, uh, it's just never taken in terms of like some thing that I do consistently.
Kate: Well, let us first note that Jade rollers are, uh, originated in China and have been, I think co-opted by many of us white ladies in the skincare world. So I think it's just important to note it's origin, they're origin. And it's my understanding that not only are they helping kind of inflammation and refreshing and maybe any sort of like, you know, a little bit of puffiness, but I believe they also can help, um, lymphatic drainage when used correctly. Um, kind of, You know, getting some of that. I don't wanna use the word swelling, but you know, you know, the puffiness of the eye,
Doree: I do know the puffiness of the eye
Kate: And I think a Jade roller is especially nice when you keep it refrigerated or in the freezer, because now it's nice and cool. So, you know, I don't, I, in terms of long, that's a great question. I don't know the answer. I'm not a consistent Jade roller user, but, um, I think like under five minutes.
Doree: Oh yeah, that sounds
Kate: You to be there for an hour. Just roll in your face. I mean, you could, if it feels good, but I would just, you know, I would just do five and done five are under, Okay. That's my non-expert advice.
Doree: But I mean, you, I feel like you've, you were a big ice roller proponent.
Kate: I do like the ice roller. I like keeping little eye patch things in the fridge because you know, any, anytime you ice, you're going to be, you know, reducing swelling and inflammation. So that goes for like a, a sprained ankle and it goes for like your face. So, yeah. Cool. As a cucumber is what I like to do.
Doree: Um, all right. We have a voicemail.
Voicemail: Hello. This is Emily. I am leaving the gym and just saw something that kinda shook up. There was a next to me. And as part of her daily makeup routine, she drew freckles on herself. And honestly it looked pretty good. It was like, she took a really dark sign, tip eyeliner saying, and drew the freckles on and then kinded them. And I'm like, are people doing this? Like, are there just like so freckles out there in the world anyways, had to share with someone. Thanks. Bye.
Doree: I mean, I think the answer to this is yes.
Kate: Yeah. You can buy freckle pens. Like you can buy them at Sephora Orta beauty, or are you about to ask me if I've ever put freckles on my face?
Doree: Yes.
Kate: Doree.
Doree: I know you have freckles, but I'm at I'm wondering, have you ever put more freckles on.
Kate: No, I am a, a full freckle face. I'm just look at, I mean, this is me, not with a, if I go out in the sun, it is like a burst. It's a constellation of dots on my face. Um, I'm very freckly. I have never felt ashamed of my freckles. I've always liked them or never even thought about them. But I do feel like there has often been pressure to eliminate one's freckles. And so it is interesting to me to see this new movement to add freckles to your face because I've just always had them.
Kate: And they've never been presented to me as particularly desirable. So, but no, Doree, I will not be drawing freckles on. I literally have a big freckle on tip of my nose. Do you see this? This, this has my whole life. So I can't really see, but, um, I believe you Doree. You're the one who I should be asking if you've drawn freckles on your face because you are not freckly.
Doree: Wait, that's so funny because I am actually what we're both Breckly yeah. What you freckles in your face? I, I don't have as many now because I'm now like, psychotic about staying out of the sun and putting on so much sunscreen. Yeah, I get it. But, um, when I was, you know, younger, I had a lot more freckles in my face and I freckles like on my arms and stuff.
Kate: Well, if, I mean, I'm looking on Sephora right now and there's something called beauty, the original freckle. And these literally just look like little eyeliner pens, but they're made to do freckles truly strange. I cannot believe we are here in this time.
Doree: That's so fun for everyone.
Kate: Wow. Here we are. The things that we were shamed for as children have now been embraced.
Doree: Were you shamed for having freckles?
Kate: I have, well, I, I think people often assume that you wanna cover them up or, um, when I've gotten, when I've gotten, um, like facials or they're referred to as like sun damage and things that I wanna eliminate and yeah, I have. Right, right. No one, no one's ever been like, you are bad, but there's, there's always been this kind of undercurrent of like, oh, these are things that you probably wanna get rid of. Right. So, yeah. Yeah. Shout out to my freckle faces out there. You know, you know what I'm talking about, especially my older ones. Maybe you like 20 year olds are living your us lives, but you grew up in the eighties and nineties. Ooh, baby. All right, Doree, let's take another break.
Doree: Okay. Let's do it.
Doree: All right. We have of returned and we have a voicemail.
Voicemail: Hi Kat and Dor, long listener first time caller. I'm from Canada. In a fit of fashion I used tape on my, breasts um, for an outfit. Um, and then I have torn off patches of skin on my, breasts. um, I find my boobs a point of pride. I'm worried about the scarring. Um, do you have any tips on how to care for my breast skin. Aghh. Help my jugs.,
Doree: Help my jugs!
Kate: Help my jugs. Also the, with which this caller says they're from Canada makes me happy every time they're like I'm from Canada. They're so like, they're so excited about it. Like makes me want to announce that I'm from Canada, but I'm not I'm.
Doree: Do you, do you wanna be from Canada?
Kate: I think there's a part of me that would be into that. Yeah, I do. Oh, okay. Is that strange? I think I like,
Doree: my husband also has a, has a Canada fetish.
Kate: I'm a people pleaser, Doree. I like Toronto. I feel like I do well in Canada.
Doree: I'm a people pleaser. And I like Toronto. Those. I mean, those are two good reasons.
Kate: Again, I do not wanna generalize Canadians. I know you are not all people pleasers. I, I don't, you don't wanna speak at a turn anyway, how are we gonna help this person fix their delicate skin on their boobs? They put tape on their boobs.
Doree: I actually have had experience a similar, uh, not, I have not had like a tape experience, but I'm sure you don't remember this, but, uh, not long after I had Henry,
Kate: I do remember this.
Doree: I, I had really bad, um, clogs in my breasts and they were just like so painful and I put Ice packs on my breasts, but they were so cold that I got like third degree burns.
Kate: I remember this
Doree: On my boobs.
Kate: Okay.
Doree: And it was really painful. Um, I did put like antibiotic ointment on, um, I think I also like slathered them, subsequently slathered them in Aquaphor.
Kate: Mm.
Doree: And yeah, I mean, I think that the tissue will regenerate. I do not have scarring on my, on my breasts after this incident for what it's worth.
Kate: My thinking, my thinking here is that less is more so rather than really tr I would just kind of give that skin a break. Um, I like the idea of giving it some Aquaphor before and letting it scab and heal. Yeah. Um, and then if you're worried, like if it's, so if it's was so intense that they're scarring, I would, you know, you can put some vitamin E or some scar cream on it, but I would definitely just kind of give them, give them a rest if you will. This reminds me of when I was a freshman in college, we had like a form one formal dance a year. And I guess, I didn't know what strapless bras were, but I have big boobs and I borrowed a friend's dress that had like thin spaghetti straps. And a friend told me to cut off the top of control, top panty hose to use as a strapless bra. But because my boobs were so big, they kept rolling that down. And so I duck taped that two mice in so that it would stay on,
Doree: Oh,
Kate: Is that not bonkers? Like what was 18 year old? Me thinking she had an eyebrow ring and a duct taped panty hose taped to her boobs.
Doree: Wow.
Kate: And it was not good. I don't remember if it tore the skin off, but it was a bad idea. Bad idea.
Doree: Yikes.
Kate: Look, it was 1998. What did we know back then? There weren't like strapless bras. Like there are now we're and I was just clueless.
Doree: I mean, there were strapless bras, but like strapless bras are horrible. They're so I imagine that in the nineties, they were even more horrible. I don't remember, but I bet they sucked. So like I
Kate: Thank you, Doree.
Doree: Do not. Uh, you know, I think it's surprising to me that you would try to find a workaround, I guess.
Kate: Thank you. Do you don't begrudge an 18 year old me?
Doree: No, not at all.
Kate: Not at all. All right. Well, we're gonna end on a text message that we received that I thought was interesting. This person who's a listener wrote to us.
Text: When I speak to strangers on the phone in professional or business settings I find myself going into a "phone voice" that is a more perky, emotive, friendly tone than I usually talk to people in. I can tell other people do it, and honestly it seems kind of a social convention to do this. But should we be working to break this habit and just be ourselves in all interactions or is this a helpful habit to make strangers feel more comfortable and friendly? P.s there are probably all sorts of sexist troupes and stuff that make women feel pressured to be "friendly and perky" and there is probably a gendered lens to be considered but in this case I'm a guy and I do it even with other guys.
Kate: This listener has text us a few times and they, their wife listens to the podcast and then they started binging the podcast. So I just wanna say shout out to you.
Doree: Hmm,
Kate: Sir. So when I first read this, uh, I made the assumption that this was a fellow, uh, a woman like me writing in and I, I do this and I have actively made a decision to stop doing it in the last couple of Years.
Doree: Mm.
Kate: And it's been really, it's been really empowering. So my thought to this listener is to do the same, but I would, I would concur that there is a hundred percent a gendered lens through which this is seen and done, uh, and expected women, women are expected to make everyone feel comfortable and at ease, et cetera, et cetera. So, yeah, I used to always like, Hey everybody, um, you know, thank you so much for coming to the zoom call, blah, blah, blah. And now I don't do that.
Doree: And now you're like,
Kate: I try not To
Doree: Fuck it.
Kate: Yeah. I'm trying I'm
Doree: and you're like, Burping, you're like, is a real me finally I'm here.
Kate: No, I, I have always raised the octave of my voice to feel, to seem more accommodating in situations specifically, I have noticed with men. And so I have stopped doing that or, or I am conscious of it. I'm sure I slip into it often, but I have been really actively trying to stop doing that. Not to please anyone else's expectations, you know, because I don't like when it's like, ladies, Let's stop with the vocal fryer. Like ladies, let's not, does that make sense at the end of a question? Like, come on.
Doree: That drives me crazy.
Kate: I hate that too, but it's more for my own empowerment because I feel like I am, I don't need to accommodate everybody or make everyone feel comfortable. And so that has helped me kind of work toward that. I don't know. Do you, do you do this? Is this something you've noticed about yourself or about other people?
Doree: I'm just, I just can't stop thinking about, um, Elizabeth Holmes of Theranos, who famously affected a very deep voice in part, I think because she wanted to be quote unquote taken seriously. And I think that this just kind of like highlights all these things that are wrong with our society, where like a young woman felt that she needed to lower her voice by like an Octa to sound more quote, unquote manly in order to be taken seriously. Like it's just kind of wild to me that that is a thing I will say. I in, I, you know, I think there is this part of me as discussed previously on the pod that is, um, It like when someone tells me to do something, I wanna do the opposite.
Kate: You're a, you are a rebel,
Doree: Someone when someone complains about vocal fry or a ending sentences, like a question or saying, does this make sense? It seriously just makes you wanna do it more.
Kate: So I love this about you. I love this about you so much. You're So rebellious.
Doree: So listen, if you wanna complain about that, that is totally cool, but just know that you are just encouraging me.
Kate: So then are you saying to this listener that he should remain friendly and perky in his phone voice?
Doree: Know what I am saying? This listener, do what you feel if you wanna be friendly and perky go right ahead. Like I, you know, I just feel like don't, don't second. Guess yourself, I guess is my, like my big takeaway. You know, if, if you're worried that you're being friendly and perky, because you're trying to make yourself seem more accommodating. I guess my question to you would be like, is that necessarily bad question, mark? Um, if it makes you feel bad that, you know, then maybe it is. But like, I think for me personally, as someone who like maybe goes too far in the opposite direction, like maybe like make trying to make people feel more comfortable is not a like, in my, for me personally is not a bad thing. I mean, the other thing, I mean, if you want to get like real deep, you could also say like, it's kind of a form of manipulation, right? Like it's a way of getting what you want. And in that case, it's kind of genius.
Kate: I mean, that's fascinating because the way, the way it feels for me is that I'm just trying to make everybody happy or make everybody feel at ease. So I accommodate by changing who I am to other people comfort over my own. So that's how it feels when I do it. But I can see.
Doree: For someone who's more Machiavellian
Kate: Yeah. Yeah.
Doree: You would say to yourself, you know what, I'm gonna be really nice because I want this person to do what I want.
Kate: What I'm hearing is that we have no answer for this person. But I love the question. I think it's interesting that it's being posed by, uh, a straight man.
Doree: Yes. I agree.
Kate: Because ultimately, I think that, you know, uh, it's women who have been, uh, you know, who have taken on the role of adjusting their tone to make straight men feel comfortable. So his interesting to consider from all angles, can't wait to hear what people think.
Doree: Yeah. Will this be as hot, a topic as dishwashers
Kate: And oil stains? We still haven't even that's we still haven't tackled the oil stain follow up. We have so many oil stain follow up comments. I'm overwhelmed. So,
Doree: oh my gosh,
Kate: That episode it is coming the pipeline.
Doree: Well, Kate, I hope it does come in the pipeline because I have a hot new stain tip that I'm not gonna reveal until we talk About it.
Kate: Oh, wait a tip. I thought you were gonna say I have a hot new stain.
Doree: No, it's like I Don I have a tip. I have a hot new stain tip, but it's gonna have to wait. You're gonna have to all just have to wait for that.
Kate: We've got hot and sexy stain tips coming up.
Doree: That's what you all listen to us for.
Kate: Listen. That's why we have won the iHeartRadio fashion and beauty podcast award two times.
Doree: Yeah. All right, everyone.
Kate: We love you.
Doree: We do. And we'll talk to you soon.
Kate: Farewell.
Doree: Bye.