Episode 217: 20 Questions with Kat and Dor
Sans guest this week, Kat and Dor tackle a list of unexpected getting-to-know-you questions. Kate can’t remember any extinct animals except Doree’s namesake, Doree wonders why no one ever told her life could be easier with better weather, and they both explain why they’d never consider an enormous hamster for a pet.
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Kate: Hello, welcome to forever 35, a podcast about the things we do to take care of ourselves. I'm Kate Spencer,
Doree: and I am Doree Shafrir.
Kate: and we are not experts.
Doree: No, but we are too friends who like to talk a lot about serums,
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Doree: Woo. Wow. Wow. Kate, you really ran through those.
Kate: That was a lot of information <laugh> and the nice thing is we're gonna give you a lot more today.
Doree: I know I'm excited.
Kate: We're doing something we've never done before.
Doree: It's true. We do not have a guest today. <laugh>.
Kate: Nope, Nope. Just gonna be us gals.
Doree: It's uh, just the two of us, if you will. And we're gonna do a kind of like lightning round sort of like icebreaker type questions, you know,
Kate: like kind of like getting know you type stuff, which like we do know each other, but I also don't know any of your answers to these questions.
Doree: Same.
Kate: So I'm very curious about how this is gonna go.
Doree: a same.
Kate: And these are like silly questions. Like we're not gonna be like, what's your favorite serum?
Doree: Yeah. You know, I <laugh>, I looked, but also they're not like super deep existential questions. I looked at the PR the PR questionnaire. Cause I remembered vanity fair. Used to have people like fill out, I think like an abbreviated version of it. And the questions were all extremely deep. And I was like, I, I just don't think we're like, we're we're up for this right now.
Kate: No, I don't need it to do, I don't need to do that. And like also, you know, we could do like Vogues 73 questions.
Doree: Oh yeah.
Kate: But like can I be honest? I feel like they're kind of like,
Doree: oh wow. Really talk.
Kate: Well, and I also just wanna that those Vogue videos while I watch them, they always feel very rehearsed. Like I would love it if Vogue was actually asking questions and the talent didn't know what they were going to be, but like they,
Doree: because It's the same questions. Yeah.
Kate: Yeah. And the answers always feel so like I'm thinking of Kendall Jenners now, why is this the bug up my ass right now? I don't know. But like, it bothers me how planned it all feels. That's All, this is a really, again, this is a real, I am really becoming, um, as we've established, a curmudgeon about everything
Doree: I know and I'm here for it.
Kate: Yeah. So that's one of my pet peeves, Vogues 73 questions doesn't feel organic.
Doree: This is honestly, I feel like this is a step in like becoming reformed people pleaser is being vocal about the things that annoy you.
Kate: Yeah. My just like unleashing is 20, 22 the year that I start to just let it all go.
Doree: I think you are
Kate: well, but Doree, Like also let's be real. It's not like I'm worried about making Vogue mad. You know what I mean? Like if you had written all those questions, I would never say this cuz I wouldn't wanna hurt your feelings. Mm. But like,
Doree: So now I know that I can't count on you to be honest about my work. <laugh>
Kate: All right. Definitely. Definitely. If your work is coming up with 73 questions to ask you
Doree: Dually noted
Kate: I probably won't be honest with my feelings. Well, we'll see. Maybe I will. Let's see how bold I get today.
Doree: Okay. All right. Right. Should we get going?
Kate: Okay. Yeah. And this is gonna, this whole questionnaire is gonna reveal so much about us because I know I can't, I'm already struggling with the first question.
Doree: Okay. Well I have an answer for it.
Kate: Okay. A I don't wanna ask this. Here's our first question today. If You could have any extinct animal as a pet, which would you choose?
Doree: I mean, I would obviously choose my namesake, the Dodo.
Kate: Okay. That's what I would say because literally that's the only animal I could think of that is extinct. Other than like the wooly mammoth. I mean, I know like dinosaurs,
Doree: Dinosaurs, but like, I,
Kate: I was like, I'm so embarrassed. I can't think of extinct animals.
Doree: Um, right. So we would both have Dodo birds.
Kate: Yeah. I mean, did
Doree: Maybe our Dodo birds would be friends
Kate: Maybe. I mean, they are very weird looking.
Doree: They're very weird. Also. How big are they? <laugh>
Kate: I don't know. But they were alive within the last century. They
Doree: Were, they were three feet tall.
Kate: Ew. Oh, I would hate it. Wait a second. I'm.
Doree: They're so big.
Kate: I said they were alive in the last century. It says the last Dodo was killed in 1681 on this website. I just looked this britanica.com. Wait, I thought dodos were alive in like the 18 hundreds or the 19 hundreds.
Doree: No, they, I mean, I think they like, I, I, I feel like we already knew they were extinct. Like when Darwin, you know, did all his investigating all his theorizing.
Kate: Oh my God. They are a flightless bird.
Doree: Yes. They were a flightless bird,
Kate: Which is a great iron and wine song.
Doree: Um, there's another extinct animal called the quagga. That is a subspecies of the zebra. That is extinct.
Kate: Ooh. I mean, what mammoths Willie mammoths are actually kind of fascinating. I would love to see one
Doree: they're so Big.
Kate: Yeah.
Doree: You, it would be like the size of your house. What it really are. They that big? I think they're enormous. I mean, they're, they're
Kate: Shaggy elephants with giant tusks.
Doree: Okay. They, they could, they were, they were like, like they grew, they were like nine to 11 feet tall. Oh my God. And they weighed around six tons.
Kate: Oh my God. And I think horses weigh like two tons. So Jesus. Okay.
Doree: Yeah.
Kate: Wow. Wow. Doree, what's your, your favorite snack at the movies.
Doree: Okay. I, I have two, I have two answers to this. One is to put peanut M&Ms. In popcorn. The other is sour patch kids.
Kate: Ooh.
Doree: I don't eat sour patch kids at any other time. Like, it's just not thing that I crave, but at the movies, I want some sour patch kids. I, what about you?
Kate: I just like a buttered popcorn and I will sometimes also like to mix in an M&M situation and like do kind of cut mean suggested a sweet and salty. Yeah. The other snack I will only get at the movies are junior mins.
Doree: Oh, okay.
Kate: You know, like I Would, I never pick up a box of junior mints except
Doree: Totally. It's like my mom eats good and plenty at the movies. Oh,
Kate: Well we've established that my mom used to eat good in place
Doree: Because it's such a boomer candy.
Kate: I tried to eat them in the last few years, like feeling nostalgic for my mom and like missing her. And I was like, will bring me closer. They're so gross. Ugh. I had one and I was like, Ugh,
Doree: I can't believe that they're still sold. Like who? I, I mean, look, no offense to anyone who loves good and plenty. I guess I don't wanna yuck. Anyone's yum. So, you know, I feel like, so Enjoy Your good and plenties and peace.
Kate: Occasionally you can yuck a yum if it's like a good and plenty.
Doree: Yeah. Okay. All right. Fair fair. Um, okay. What's the best sport to watch, but not play Kate
Kate: Gymnastics, ice skating, like any great Olympic individual sport.
Doree: That's good.
Kate: Did that Count? I mean, go Ahead. Sorry.
Doree: Why not? I was gonna say soccer so much running.
Kate: Yes. Oh my God. And basketball is too much running and I liked playing it, but I love to watch basketball.
Doree: Yeah. At soccer, I actually find quite exciting to watch.
Kate: Yeah. But God, that field is so big. That
Doree: Field it's so big. I mean maybe I was the goalie <laugh> it's so big.
Kate: It's huge. When I watch lke world cup soccer, I like these poor people. How do
Doree: how Do they Move this much? I mean, when I started playing tennis again, it really hit me. Just how like the, the absolute elite level of these like pro tennis players. I'm like watching the us open. I'm like, oh, they're playing for three hours. Yeah. With like no break. And it's, it's just them like,
Kate: It's, it's so much cardiovascular
Doree: Bananas. Yeah. It's so intense.
Kate: When I first learned how to play basketball. Cause I learned in my mid thirties, I never understood how much running, not only running, but like you have to get to the other end of the court so quickly.
Doree: Yeah.
Kate: And I would be like huffing and dry heaving my way. <laugh>
Doree: Oh my god.
Kate: It is so not to mention like the actual, not like the strategy of the game and the physical like skills with your hands that you must learn just the running. God bless all basketball players. Y'all are amazing.
Doree: Yeah. Whew.
Kate: All right. What movie makes you laugh every time you watch it?
Doree: I'm so curious to hear what your answer is to this.
Kate: You know,
Doree: If your has I have one, so if you want me to go, I can go.
Kate: I Haven't watch this movie in a long time. And so it might not check out, but I feel like Wayne's world, like I'll always,
Doree: Oh, that's a good one.
Kate: But Barb and Star Go To Vista Del Mar is like a recent one for me. I know this came out in the last year and a half, but like I've watched that and I laugh every, every time woman at the boat club picks up her saddle to walk out. No, one's talked to her about her horse. I laugh so hard. Okay. Tell me yours.
Doree: Okay. So I think my, my like number one is wet, hot American summer.
Kate: Oh like, you know what? Yeah. Story. That's a, that
Doree: Movie just like still makes me laugh. I've seen it a thousand times. It's just so I find it so funny. The other thing I was gonna say is like any Christopher guest movie, I, I re-watch best in show like within the last year. And like, it's so funny. It's so dumb. And it's so funny. I also like, I guess I like sort of, it's not like dumb humor, but it's like, like I remember I, and, and this did not hold up when I re-watched it, but when I was younger I could watch the naked gun. Like,
Kate: Oh my God. Yes.
Doree: A million times over. I know now it's like a little too stupid. Um, but not to mention featuring deeply offensive. Yeah. Um, and offensive. But yeah, so that, that's an example of like a movie that I used to find so funny. And now I I've watched it in the last, like 10 years in like, oh no, no, no,
Kate: Wait, do you know? What's still funny to me is dumb and dumber.
Doree: Oh yes.All those Jim Carey movies are funny. ACE Ventura. I mean, that is a funny movie able guy.
Kate: Isn't it? Isn't ACE fan and Ventura transphobic at the end. Am I remembering?
Doree: Don't remember. I mean, have I seen it since 1997? No. No,
Kate: But I have seen dumb and dumber like in the last three years and it is still funny.
Doree: Okay. You know what movies? I bet do not hold up. But at the time I found them very funny. Um, or all the Adam Sandler movies.
Kate: Oh, we just watched <laugh> we watched Billy Madison with a, our kids
Doree: does Billy Madison hold up. I need to know.
Kate: It's so hard because like there's so much kind of like weird sex, uh, like sex, like sexual harassment, almost of the teacher That he ends Up dating.
Doree: Right. But like,
Kate: But yes. It's like still funny parts of it are still funny. Adam Sandler is, he's
Doree: So funny.
Kate: Still funny. I feel like the wedding singer probably also still Is good.
Doree: Oh, I bet that holds up. I'm I'm curious if happy Gilmore holds up because I used that movie. I used to find so funny.
Kate: The other one's too with Chris rock and David spade and I can't of course like fat man and a little coat. What's that one?
Doree: I don't know.
Kate: David spade and Chris. Oh God, Chris rock David S spade and Chris Farley had kind of a run of movies that really made me laugh. I will say like, oh,
Doree: I mean, does like uncle buck, hold up.
Kate: <laugh> I feel so basic. Like what? Like will Ferrell. And this is like any old SNL will Ferrell. Like that's I
Doree: Would, I would say any will Ferrell movie from like the early aughts, like El elf is really funny. Oh,
Kate: Dory. I love El. I make my family watch elf every year and they're like over really good
Doree: I will watch Elf with you, Kate <laugh>.
Kate: Thank you.
Doree: If you need someone to watch elf with?
Kate: I do, because like every year we're like it's holiday movie time and I'm always like LF
Doree: Everybody else. Like speaking of like comedians who I, I feel like I would watch any movie of theirs and just laugh hysterically as Melissa McCarthy.
Kate: Oh my God.
Doree: Like the heat heat is
Kate: So funny. So good bridesmaids.
Doree: Oh, bridesmaids.
Kate: So fucking good
Doree: Bridesmaids,
Kate: Kristen wig. I also just find like, and you know who? I also find like funny and everything is my Rudolph. I just love my
Doree: Oh yes, yes, yes. She's. She can be so dead pan. Oh, and perfect.
Kate: And she's got a great singing voice. This is fun. Okay. I
Doree: Haven't, this is fun. I haven't rewatched it now. I'm just thinking of funny movies. I haven't rewatched it, but I, I did laugh very hard at girls' trip.
Kate: Wait, why am I blanking on girls? Oh,
Doree: Tiffany Haddish.
Kate: Oh my God. Yes. Okay. Spoiler alert when they have to like zip line across <laugh> new Orleans. New. Who, who pees is it? Is it reg? Regina.
Doree: Regina. I think it's Regina, but I don't remember <laugh>.
Kate: Hold on. Oh's
Doree: Regina. It is so funny.
Kate: Is it Regina? I can't remember who pees across girls trip is so funny. It's a laugh. That is a half out fucking funny movie.
Doree: Okay. Wait. You know, and I feel like I've mentioned I, this, this somehow came up on the podcast before, but that Eurovision song contest movie. Did you Ever watch watch it
Kate: so funny. Yes. That's what I was thinking of with will Smith with the little tiny, like
Doree: Will theories
Kate: Not will Ferrell. Ooh, whoops, sorry. Yes. With will Ferrell. Yes. So
Doree: Also Rachael McAdams is very funny. I'll
Kate: Say, you know, who's kind of funny. The guy, cousin Matthew from what's it called downtown Abby he's in that. Is
Doree: He Dan Stevens?
Kate: Yes. Dan Stevens is the like, oh hot Russian singer who tries to steal Rachel away.
Doree: Oh, I could just talk about funny movies for like an hour, but what
Kate: A great podcast idea. We have the funny movie podcast with Kate Murray. It's
Doree: A movie where we just remember movies that were funny and laugh.
Kate: I'm sure it will be a huge hit and
Doree: Then just move on <laugh> yep.
Kate: Ever mention them again. Uh, okay. What, I'm very curious about this one for you. What celebrity would you want to be your best friend?
Doree: This is really hard. This is really hard.
Kate: All right. Then we're gonna take a break after we answer this question.
Doree: I kind of, so I feel like if I like, am I looking like, what am I looking for in a best friend? Am I looking for someone who's gonna be like wise and warm and you know, someone I like, I almost see as like a big sister type, because if so, I think it would be Michelle Obama.
Kate: Oh, I wasn't expecting that. Okay.
Doree: Because I also feel like she's fun.
Kate: Yeah. She
Doree: Like, she knows how to, she knows how to be. She knows how to have fun.
Kate: She'd be an amazing big sister. I feel like she would like show you the ropes, but also be nurturing, but also like, yes.
Doree: Like, and
Kate: Also like keep
Doree: You in. Love you. She would, yeah. She would keep you in mind. She would like tell you when like you were doing something fucked up, you know,
Kate: mm-hmm <affirmative>.
Doree: I dunno that she might just be my answer. What, what about you? What's your answer?
Kate: My initial like reaction when I saw this question and I'm just gonna go with my first reaction is drew Barrymoore.
Doree: Oh, that is also a good one.
Kate: Drew Barrymore seems legitimately fun. And like, she doesn't take herself too seriously. And like she's open to, uh, self reflect.
Doree: Yep.
Kate: I really drew Barrymore, I think was brought like one of the first celebrities I started falling on Instagram. She was always doing like, remember she would do, um, what was that mask? That skincare mask like tightened your face.
Doree: Oh, the, um, we did it once. Did we do Instagram? Live it bands with an H.
Kate: Oh, can't I think of,
Doree: I can't and you like paint it on mm-hmm
Kate: <affirmative> oh, here it's the heir mask.
Doree: Hannah cure. That's right. You never hear people talking about that anymore?
Kate: No. Must must have been a fad back in 2018. <laugh> yeah,
Doree: I just,
Kate: I, for some drew Barrymore seems like the real deal.
Doree: I think that's a really good one too.
Kate: And I would hate to meet her IL and, and have that, not be the case and feel really let down, like, I want her to be what I think she is.
Doree: Yeah. I hear that
Kate: Also her autobiography little girl lost a fucking classic, a classic celebrity autobiography. A must read. All
Doree: Right. Um, well, Kate, you know, we should probably take a little break
Kate: Let's do it
Doree: BRB. Okay. All right. All right. We're back with more questions, Kate, what is the perfect weather for you?
Kate: The perfect weather to me is like Los Angeles today, which is kind of what some might describe as Mediterranean weather, not Los Angeles, when it's super hot. I had the absolute privilege of studying abroad in South Africa. And I spent most of my time there in Cape town.
Doree: Mm-hmm <affirmative>
Kate: In Cape town has amazing weather. And that is kind of like I had never felt I had been, I was from, you know, from Massachusetts was, had been in college in Maine. And then I moved to this warm climate and I had never felt so good in my own body. As I did the six months I lived in Cape town, I felt it was just, it was just so the weather was just so incredible and they have a quote Mediterranean climate. So that's where I land. That's Where I land.
Doree: I mean, right. So right now in Los Angeles, it's 68 degrees outside my window. It looks mostly cloudy. I feel like it's been ranging from partly to mostly cloudy today.
Kate: It looks like sunny where I am right now.
Doree: The sun is gonna come out here in a, in about an hour. Um, yeah, I agree. I feel like high sixties is like my preferred temperature. I also do not like full sun. Like I need some clouds.
Kate: I like a cloud cover on the alternative. I never want to see snow again. Like, I, I don't care about win, like cold winters.
Doree: I, I had the same thought and you know what thought I also had, I was, um, at a meeting at my son's school this morning and we were sitting outside on like, they have this like patio, shady patio. And I was like, you know, growing up in Boston and like living in New York and Philadelphia. And like, I had been to LA starting like in my twenties, but I, I was like, why did no one tell me that, like this existed? <laugh> like, why did no one tell me that like, life could be so much better with good weather and that it like really affects your life? Because I just like it is. I don't know.
Kate: People make a habit of talking so much shit about Los Angeles. I mean, that's changed in the last 10 years, but like in New York, it, I, like, we looked down on Los Angeles. I didn't never like barely ever been here. And I was like, what a trash city? Full of fake people. Like, I just was so obnoxious about it. And truly, you know, it was probably what was best for of the city so that I didn't move there. Like they don't need everybody coming here. <laugh> but it's like my mom, I remember. So my, you know, my parents were from the east coast and my dad got a job in San Francisco. And so they moved out to San Francisco and my mom loved it. She loved, they love her for two years when I was a baby. And like, I think she would've moved back instantly, I think. And it was just that for feeling of that weather. Like, even though, you know, you get, oh, it's overcast and can be cool in San Francisco. I just think it's, it's such a mood shift for many people to not be in that miserable cold. Now I have friends who like, love snow. So, you know, everybody's different.
Doree: Everyone's different. But yeah, I definitely was thinking about that today in, um, you know, my grandparents got married in Los Angeles before my grandfather shipped out to the Pacific during world war II.
Kate: Oh wow.
Doree: And like family lore is that my grandmother really wanted to stay here. She wanted to stay in Southern California. And my grandfather was too like attached to his parents and like wanted to move back to Boston. I love Boston. My grandmother had grown up in like racist, like a racist antisemitic part of Pennsylvania and was like, get me the fuck outta here. <laugh>
Kate: Yeah.
Doree: Um, anyway, so yeah, maybe I'm just like fulfilling her wishes. I don't know. All right.
Kate: You're you're living her legacy Doree.
Doree: I'm living Her legacy. Kate, would you rather live in a world without television or without computers?
Kate: Oh, and, and to clarify, this is a world in which we can't like put Netflix on our computer. Well,
Doree: See, this is my, this is my question, because I feel like it's sort of a, a, like, you know, you like, we can watch TV on our computers now. So there's no, this it's a great question for
Kate: The sake of this question. We have to assume we can't watch TV on our computers. Okay.
Doree: Okay. Cause
Kate: Otherwise obviously we're choosing computers.
Doree: Yes. What are you choosing?
Kate: And I'm gonna include phones kind of under this sense.
Doree: Oh, like smart phones. Yeah.
Kate: Cuz they're tiny computers. I think I would rather live in a world honestly, without I think without Computers Because ultimately they impact my mental health more negatively than TV. And so if they were gone, I think I would be in a much better head space.
Doree: I think also for people of, of our generation, which was really the last generation to grow up without the internet.
Kate: Mm-hmm <affirmative>
Doree: As kids, like we had a computer, like we got a computer, I think in eighth grade we got a Mac. I, and like, it was a big deal that we had gotten a computer. Oh yeah. But like, like I basically use it as a word processor. Like there wasn't like anything else you could really do with it. And you know, I had a typewriter for a long time.
Kate: Did you have a word processor and a word processor? I loved it.
Doree: I did have a word processor where you would like type things on like that tiny little screen and then it like, and then it would print. It would like type it for you. <laugh>
Kate: Yes. It felt so fancy
Doree: Processors. It did felt, feel really, really people, fancy people.
Kate: There Is like a, a tool that you can use. That's like a word processor for your computer that a lot of writers use so that they aren't on their computers. Have you ever heard of that?
Doree: Yes, I have.
Kate: I don't know what they're called, but they're like little tiny word anyway. Anyway. Yeah. I think, I think I would be my much happier person without computers, even though I'm addicted to them.
Doree: Mm-hmm <affirmative>
Kate: All right. Well, here's probably the most important question of this survey that we're going to, um, ask each other.
Doree: Right?
Kate: Which would you prefer a tiger sized hamster or a hamster sized tiger.
Doree: This is not even a question for me. Oh
Kate: My God. This is like
Doree: A hundred percent a hamster sized tiger. I know
Kate: Who wants a tiger size.
Doree: I mean, so I have any just like issues with hamsters. Generally. But the thought of an enormous hamster. It's like a literal nightmare. I know. I know
Kate: Now It was a tiger sized tiger and it wasn't gonna hurt me. I would be open to that. But can you imagine a giant hamster? It like makes me feel physically ill thinking about it.
Doree: No, it makes me feel ill. It makes me think of those, um, hamster, those Kia commercials and those weren't even tiger size <laugh>
Kate: Oh yeah. And it had a hamster, didn't it?
Doree: Yeah. Mm-hmm <affirmative> they were hamsters
Kate: Gross.
Doree: <laugh> sorry, hamsters,
Kate: But sorry. I mean, no disrespect to the hamster community. And I know there are hamster lovers out there in the world, but not a big size one. Now that being said a hamster size. Tiger sounds super creepy too. This all is just is a weird one.
Doree: It's a weird one. All right. Kate, would you rather have no siblings or 10 siblings?
Kate: 10 siblings easily?
Doree: I think so too. Yeah. Me too, Dory. Um, yes. Which
Kate: Would you choose between being a movie star or a rock star?
Doree: I think a movie star. What about you?
Kate: Oh, interesting. A rock star.
Doree: Really? Okay.
Kate: Oh yeah. A rock star.
Doree: I like, you know what? You know, what I think is like holding me back from being a rock star on instead doing here's what's holding me back. Here's
Kate: What's keeping you back from making the life choice of a rockstar.
Doree: The thought of doing an arena tour Seems so exhausting to me. <laugh> Like, that is so much it's so intense night after night, you're performing in front of like tens of thousands of people. You have to be perfect. Like it's, it's, it's like physically taxing. I mean, I get that, you're getting a lot from the crowd and it's very like adrenalin and all that, but like, I don't know, that life seems really exhausting to me and not like, and like ultimately sort of like unfulfilling, like you're kind of like always chasing this high. I don't know.
Kate: Wow. But I mean, did you see Harry styles at Coachella? That's what I'm imagining,
Doree: But do you wanna be Harry styles at Coachella or do you just wanna watch Harry styles at Coachella?
Kate: I mean, or do I wanna bone Harry styles at Coachella is the ultimate question.
Doree: I think Olivia Wild would have a few things to say about that.
Kate: You know, Aren't you lucky, Olivia wild.
Doree: <laugh>
Kate: Aren't you lucky you made a really good movie and your boning, hairy styles. I feel like things are looking good for you.
Doree: All right. You know, she's really figured something out. I
Kate: Loved book smart and I, you know, and I would, and like, you know, she like she and Harry, like after, do you imagine her like taking off his sequin jumpsuit? Like mm-hmm, you know, good for her.
Doree: So wait, Kate,
Kate: We didn't E establish what I want here. Yeah. So
Doree: You would rather be a rock star.
Kate: Yeah. I love, I love performing and I love performing live mm-hmm <affirmative> I think it would be so much fun. I know there's a dark side. Don't get me wrong. But for the sake of this fantasy, I think I would much more being a movie star is hard. Movies are born, like being on a set. Boring. I don't know. I just, I also think I know too much about what it is like to like make movies and it's not that glamorous. It's just like, aren't work. Although then you get to go to the, you
Doree: Know yeah, no, you're right. All those things are true. All right. Well, so I guess we've established that I am gonna be a big movie star and you're gonna be a rock star. And like,
Kate: That's why that's fine. Sorry. If we have to stop doing this podcast to fulfill those dreams, but you know, Duty calls. totally
Doree: Um, okay. Kate, would you rather spend a whole day with friends or a whole day with pets?
Kate: Friends?
Doree: Yeah, me too. Like
Kate: What even is this question?
Doree: Okay. Would you rather be able to teleport or read? Ooh,
Kate: I think reading minds would be a nightmare.
Doree: I agree. I, I would only wanna be able to Teleport
Kate: Yeah. I'm I'm with you. I can't even, I couldn't, I couldn't handle reading minds. It would
Doree: Be so
Kate: Stressful. It would be so much. Yeah. I'm reading a book with my daughter where the main characters and we're reading keepers of the lost cities and the main character can like read people's she's a telepath and like, it just is too much. It's too much. And she's 12. I couldn't do it at 42.
Doree: Yeah. No, no, no.
Kate: All right. How about this? Would you rather share a room in a mansion or have your own room in a tiny house?
Doree: I feel like this is sort of dependent on like what stage of life I'm at.
Kate: Oh, go on.
Doree: If I'm 44, like if, if we're talking today,
Kate: Today, like tomorrow you wake up and you have to make this choice.
Doree: Uh, I think, well, this is hard because like your own room and a tiny house, how many other people are living in this tiny house with me? If I'm living in a tiny house with like 10 other people, then like, I'll take the mansion. Mm-hmm <affirmative> if it's like me and one other roommate in a tiny house, mm-hmm, <affirmative>, I'm fine with that. I've actually done that. Like I lived in, um, when I like one year when I lived in Philly, I lived in what's called a Trinity, which is a house with one room on each floor.
Kate: Oh, cool. I've never heard of that.
Doree: Um, I think it's like specific to Philadelphia, maybe also Baltimore. Um, and that was totally fine. Um, but I could also see myself being like 22 and being like a tiktokerr and sharing a room and like the hype house stories in the hype house. Yeah. I'm in the hype house. Yeah.
Kate: You and Ivanni are sharing a room or like you and Charlie D
Doree: Yeah, exactly. We're sharing a room and it's like SOS fun.
Kate: Oh my God. I'm dying. Okay. Yeah. That you, you about, you know, in my brain, I was like, I live in the tiny house alone and it's like, one of those dumb, tiny houses that are like, you know, made to be a tiny house. You have like a tiny house influencer living in it, then I'd fine. I don't need a lot of space. I would live in a studio apartment, happily alone, but I think you make a good point. Like we don't know who else is living with us.
Doree: Exactly.
Kate: So I'm gonna, I'm gonna go with you. Like I would also live in a hype house.
Doree: Okay, cool.
Kate: Glad we established that.
Doree: Me too. Um, okay. What's the weirdest thing in your backpack slash purse right now? I mean, let me check, Have my backpack right here. Do you have an answer for this off the top of your head?
Kate: Just trying to think about what's floating around in my purse right now. I don't have it with me.
Doree: You know, I feel like there would've been a time when, like, I probably would've had something weird in my backpack, but I feel like I've actually gotten a little bit better at cleaning it out. So There's not a ton in here that's like weird. I mean the only, like, I guess the weirdest thing is like bars for like, like the fruit bars for my son.
Kate: <laugh> that sounds good.
Doree: And a change of a toddler change of clothes. Oh, that's so cute. Yeah. So it's not like it's not anything weird.
Kate: I don't think I have you. I don't, I don't have my purse on me right now. I don't think I would have anything that anyone would call weird. I think my problem is that I have like three of the same thing and it, my purse is not that big. Like I'll I have like, definitely have three sunglasses in my purse right now, three lip balms and more, so many masks.
Doree: Mm.
Kate: Like, and the problem with all the masks is, I don't know which masks are like, dirty, like that. I've like worked out in cuz I, you know, I go to the gym and I wear my mask. Yeah. Like, which are like dirty sweaty masks and which are like clean and ready to be used masks. I don't know. So I think for me, the problem is that I have a lot of, a lot of repeat equipment in my bag.
Doree: <affirmative>
Kate: That's it. And then there's always a random fidget because my kid always has some sort of item that they need to be held. They've always, they always have an item,
Doree: Right. Yeah. Um, all right, well Kate, yes. Let's take a break. Okay. And we'll come back with a few more questions.
Kate: All right. All right.
Doree: Okay. We are back
Kate: Now. How old is the oldest person you've ever met? This is such a strange question.
Doree: Yeah. I don't, I mean, it would have to be someone like in their nineties, but I couldn't tell you exactly how old they were or who it was.
Kate: Yeah. I think my grandmother's aunt Jen lived to be a hundred and I think I definitely met her. Yeah. I met my aunt. My great, great aunt Jen. Yeah. That's I think that's the oldest of anyone I've ever met.
Doree: That's pretty cool. That's pretty good. Right. To a hundred is like, yeah.
Kate: Yeah. You lived what's the worst gift you've ever gotten.
Doree: Okay. Well, I can tell, I can tell you what the worst gift I got at the time was I've since sort of like revised my opinion of it. But at the time I was like, what? I had an ex-boyfriend who got me a fire extinguisher for my birthday.
Kate: Okay.
Doree: And I was like, this is like, I was like, and he was very like utilitarian mm-hmm <affirmative> mm-hmm <affirmative> he was very practical.
Kate: Sure. And this is very practical,
Doree: Almost like an aesthetic. Like he, he, like, he only bought exactly what he needed. He would, he would like save, he didn't make that much money, but he would like save up to buy like the nicest Matt, new laptop or something, you know what I mean? He had an expensive bike, but he didn't have that much stuff.
Kate: Right. Right. He liked, he liked the finer things in life, but he didn't need a lot of things.
Doree: Exactly. And he, and again, like I said, he was also very practical. And so I feel like the fire extinguisher to him was in fact, a very caring and thoughtful gift.
Kate: Hmm. And was it a fire extinguisher for an apartment or was it like a tiny one?
Doree: It was a, it was a small one that I could like keep in my kitchen. Hmm. Um, but I was like, okay. Yeah.
Kate: What was your reaction when you received it? I
Doree: Don't remember if I like was able to camouflage my, You know, uh, surprise. Yeah. The gift. Um, but like I said, I have now sort of I've since sort of revised my opinion of it. I still don't think it was an appropriate birthday gift. Like I think it was something that he should have just gotten for me.
Kate: Yeah. Yeah. I agree.
Doree: Um, did he wrap it? I don't remember. This was a very long time ago. I'm very old. Um <affirmative> so yeah. What about you?
Kate: So again, in hindsight, like I have much more like tenderness towards this moment in my life, but at the time this was devastating <laugh> so for my 11th birthday, all I wanted was a phone. Like it was, I think I was going into sixth grade. I can't remember. This is
Doree: 11 a landline to be a,
Kate: Yeah, not a cell phone. This was either when I was turning 11 or turning 12. I can't remember which one. All I wanted was phone a landline in my bedroom. And of course I wanted like the sea through clear plastic
Doree: Phone. Oh, yes, yes. Yes. Like
Kate: It's all I freaking wanted. And my family went to canopy lake park at amusement in Southern New Hampshire. Which if you are from the Boston area, you are very familiar with hopefully. And we were sitting, I was sitting in the front seat and I think I opened my gift either before we went in or after. But I remember I was in the car and it was like a, a box, like a big box. And I was like, oh my God, this is it. Like, they're finally getting me a phone. I'm so excited. Like I was, I just, I knew, I knew it was a phone. And then I opened it up and it was a turquoise monogrammed bathrobe. And I was so,
Doree: Which is like, so not a phone,
Kate: It's the opposite. And like,
Doree: Now
Kate: If my parents gave me that I would be really into it. But as a 12 or 11 year old, I was like, are you fucking kidding me?
Doree: Yeah. And I
Kate: Put the bath over my head and I pretended to be excited, but I hid underneath it and started to cry because I was so
Doree: <laugh>.
Kate: Cause I wanted the phone so badly. And you know, then I just had this bathrobe, which I guess I used, I wasn't a really big bathrobe person as a tween.
Doree: Yeah. I don't think I had a bathroom between,
Kate: It was really heavy. I remember the bathroom being very heavy and I also like, then it makes me sad when I'm like, well, my mom like thought I was gonna want a bathroom. And like she monogrammed it. I think it was monogrammed anyway. Yeah. That's it that's that's that's that was a soul crusher of a moment for my poor little spoiled 12 year old self
Doree: Ever get a phone. Eventually
Kate: I did get a landline in my room. I think probably in like seventh or eighth grade. Oh,
Doree: Landlines. I never got a phone in my room. Stop. Yeah. I was not allowed.
Kate: Wow. And they even in high school,
Doree: Even in high school, I did not have a phone in my room.
Kate: Oh my God, God, your parents are.
Doree: And I had to get off the phone. I had to get off the phone at 10
Kate: Holy
Doree: On dots. Like if I was not off the phone at 10, like my dad would pick up the phone and be like, do worry. <laugh> yeah.
Kate: That's the craziest part that like our kids definitely don't understand this. And I'm, I'm sure that anyone listening to this podcast, unless you're like 20, but people, anyone in the house could just pick up the phone and get in on your call or could just sit and listen to
Doree: It. But listen. Yes. Sometimes. And like you might not be able to tell no.
Kate: So it was so,
Doree: So I feel like at some point we probably got a cordless phone while I was in high school, but I mean, there was, there was a, quite a long period of time when like, if I wanted like privacy, I had to, my dad had this little office off the kitchen that I could sit in, talk on the phone in there. But otherwise the options were the kid, which like no, or my parents' room, which again, no <laugh> those were the only phones. So, you know, I, I look, I'm not, I was not a deprived child, but, but the phone thing it's like now, now it's so different that like, it does feel like we grew up in the ancient times. <laugh>
Kate: Yes. I'm gonna tell my kids this, the next time they give me any saltiness about anything. You're
Doree: Like Dory had to sit in a tiny office on a landline and she had to get off at 10 o'clock or her parents would get on their phone and tell her to get off the phone.
Kate: God
Doree: Also like if a boy called your house, like, and you didn't pick up, it was like a thing, you know, it was just like, there was no, there was no, the privacy was like, not really there.
Kate: <laugh> no, there was no privacy. Oh, oh, that's traumatizing.
Doree: Yeah. Well, I mean, we all survived, but okay. Um, Kate? Yes. If your family, I like this question. If your family owned a restaurant, what job would everyone have?
Kate: Hmm, my brother would be the cook. He's a really good cook. I feel like my dad and I would be the hosts. We're both the most outgoing and I have been a host in a restaurant or hostess, whatever you wanna call it in a restaurant before I was terrible at like busing and waiting tables, but I was a very good host. And I guess I would make my mom be the server, but also, well, my mom's not alive. So her ghost, I guess, no, her ghost, which is hot at the restaurant. <laugh> my mom's ghost would just Fuck with the restaurant. And then my, well, my stepmom is a good cook too. Uh, my stepmom, I actually think would be a good server because she's just on top of stuff. She's a really good conversationalist. She's gregarious <affirmative> and, but she's not like a worrier. Like my dad and I would be too anxious. We would definitely drop things. My stepmom would be probably the best at handling the stresses of being a server. Cuz it's like, that's a being a server. You have to be like good with people. Good on your feet. Good on handling change. And then also like physically capable <affirmative>
Doree: You know what? I find very interesting Kate
Kate: That I didn't do my husband and my kids.
Doree: Yes.
Kate: Yeah. I didn't even, you know, it's so weird.
Doree: You did your family of origin.
Kate: I know. I didn't even think about that until just as we were wrapping up, I was like, oh weird. I have my own family. <laugh> What
Doree: <laugh>. I
Kate: Mean, which I can just say like Anthony would be the manager. I again would be the I'd put Eleanor my 11 year old in the kitchen. No, I don't know. Eleanor would wait tables. And that would put the nine year old in the kitchen and that would be a disaster, but that's kind of the best I can do.
Doree: I mean, that's fair.
Kate: Anthony would manage. I think he would run a tight ship. Your turn,
Doree: If it was like my family, um, I think Matt would be the executive chef. He would be the, he would be the cook. Henry would be the manager.
Kate: Oh yeah. He would. He's like ready to go for that job already.
Doree: He's ready to go. Yesterday morning, he like made me, he made us clean.
Kate: Are you kidding?
Doree: Made us take a at the trash. Then he wanted to get the dust Buster and like, look at him, vacuum stuff up. Like I was just like, come on, dude. <laugh> anyway. Um, I guess I would be the host. I would probably be the host, but if it was my family of origin, I think my brother would be the waiter. He has experience waiting tables. My mom would be the host. My sister would be the manager. Oh yes, my dad. What would my dad do? <laugh>.
Kate: your dad could just sit and chat with people.
Doree: No, my dad, no, my dad would be the dishwasher. He's really good at Dishes.
Kate: Anthony's also good
Doree: At, or like a, or like a busboy. Who'd be a busboy, a dishwasher. And I, you know, I think in that scenario, I guess I would be the chef
Kate: <laugh>
Doree: Question, mark. <laugh>
Kate: Just picture you in like a white hat,
Doree: A Coke. <laugh>
Kate: You do cook. You could definitely be the chef. I do
Doree: Cook. I do cook. I do cook. I think it would have to be either my brother.
Kate: Mm
Doree: Or me as, as the chef. Definitely not my sister. No, that's
Kate: Your sister's but your sister's perfect for a restaurant manager like that is her personality.
Doree: Oh yes. She would shine. Yeah. Um, and like my mom, she just, she doesn't use salt. So like, I mean how, even when we were growing up, like before anyone had like high blood pressure, no salt. So she can't be the
Kate: Chef, no salt and no phone in your room. I am, I can't come over your house.
Doree: I was, I really grew up <laugh> in the dark ages.
Kate: Very deprived,
Doree: Very deprived, very deprived child. Um, okay. I think we have time for a couple more. Okay. Kate, do you wanna choose one and I'll choose one.
Kate: Yes. If you could choose an instrument to play one, you don't already play AKA piano. Which one would you choose?
Doree: Okay. So I have actually thought about this. I've always been so fascinated by the cello. Mm. Think people who play the cello, like they're just interesting people. I might not be interesting enough to play the, a cello, but that is an instrument that I would be interested in playing. Also, if we're talking about like rock music, the bass.
Kate: Oh fun.
Doree: Mm. I think I have a bassist. Personality.
Kate: You kind of hold it all together.
Doree: Yeah. And like I'm a little, I'm a little behind the scenes.
Kate: You're a little funky though.
Doree: Yeah. I I'm not the front man or front woman, but I'm, I'm like in integral to the whole operation. What about you, Kate?
Kate: I think I, This is a, this is a challenging question for me because I am not really drawn to any instrument when I was a kid. I think I've told you this. I asked for bagpipe lessons, but we couldn't find anyone to teach me the bagpipe. So I learned recorder and then Clarinet.
Doree: Oh my God.
Kate: Do you know this
Doree: Amazing. I
Kate: Wanted to play the bagpipes when I was seven.
Doree: Wait, really? In, in like in new England, there was no one to teach in bagpipes.
Kate: Do you think there was no one to teach me bagpipes? Or do you think my parents were like, we're not fucking having bagpipes in this house, so you're gonna take a recorder and then clarinet
Speaker 5: <laugh>.
Doree: Oh my gosh. Of course. Yeah, of
Kate: Course. In Massachusetts. There's Scots floating around. Yeah. Like half the wholes white people of the state have some sort of, okay.
Doree: Oh my gosh.
Kate: So, but so I'm not, but I'm not really drawn to instruments. I think I would pick either piano or guitar because I love the idea of getting to like play popular music that I know. And like I'm envious. My whole family takes piano lessons. Maybe I could join them, but I'd rather sleep in, but it's,
Doree: It's never too late.
Kate: They all like, you know, they're like, my kids will like be playing driver's license and singing along and I think that's cool. Like I would, I would like that. I just feel like piano and guitar, just like two classics that you can do that with.
Doree: That is definitely True.
Kate: And then I guess also bagpipes, I still would like to learn the bag pipes. Oh my
Doree: Gosh. If you took up the bagpipes, that would be literally, I think the coolest thing you've ever done <laugh>
Kate: Would Be so loud
Doree: You're like practicing in your backyard would be, and your neighbors are like, what's happening. <laugh> it would be. So is there Scottish regimen in our neighborhood? Yeah. Like
Kate: No one wants to be neighbors with a bagpiper, especially no, maybe a bagpiper. Yes, but not a person learning, learning bagpipes. No way.
Doree: Oh gosh. Wow. I mean, I feel like this could still happen.
Kate: Yeah. I mean, Hopefully, you know, life is young. Life is young. I'm young life is, life is long and I'm young and I can learn back life, life
Doree: Too long. All
Kate: Right. Okay. Your last you're you're the last
Doree: Is the, this is the last, yeah, this is the last question. And, and I'm gonna, I'm gonna modify it a tad and it's, and it's like a little similar to the last one, but if you could pick up like any skill or hobby and be like in like, and you're like good at it, what would it be?
Kate: And it's not something that I already do.
Doree: It's not something that you already do. Mm-hmm <affirmative>
Kate: I think I'm gonna go with, Well, you know what I would love to be able to do, but I don't think I would actually enjoy it is surfing and skateboarding. Oh, those are things that I would love to do in theory. But I think I would actually hate both of them. So if I think
Doree: Surfing is very fun, it
Kate: It looks really hard. So I think I would pay like surfing and skateboarding. Those are two things I've always wanted to learn how to do. I'm definitely never going to skateboard having after breaking my hand this year, like I never wanted oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Deal with the injuries that come along with it. I know. Yeah.
Doree: No, no,
Kate: But surfing is something I would love to learn how to do and like do it well.
Doree: Yeah, but like,
Kate: Can I ask a real question about surfing my contacts, my contact lenses fall out in the water. So what do people like? And I once was like, I would just surf in goggles and like everybody was like, no you wouldn't. So what do people do when you wear contacts? What do surfers do?
Doree: That's a great question.
Kate: It's a real question I have. Yeah, I guess I could Google it, but I'm just gonna pose it here on this podcast. How about you? I would love to know your choice.
Doree: Okay. I was going to say horseback riding. Oh, which I feel like you would appreciate, but I think my actual answer is sewing. Oh,
Kate: For pleasure.
Doree: Or yes. Sewing for pleasure. Oh,
Kate: With a machine or would you hand stitch?
Doree: I would primarily use a machine, but I would like know how to hand. I mean, I can, I mean, you know, but like, you know, being able to like make clothes or make a quilt or yeah. And I, I realize these are all things I could easily learn. Yeah. I, haven't been talking about getting a sewing machine for literally 20 years. Well, and I've never done it. And I think it's one of those, it's one of those, like, if you really wanted to, you would situations. I think I want to, but I don't want to like quite enough. Well, it's
Kate: Also kind of like, have you ever used a sewing machine? Do you know how to use them? Yes.
Doree: Okay. So my mom had, my mom can sew and has had, has a sewing machine. And like I would sometimes use it and like, you know, in home economics, we had to sew and like make pillows and stuff.
Kate: I mean, I did used to make my own clothes as a young 17 year old going to Phish concerts. I used to make home sorts of patchwork, patchwork clothes.
Doree: <laugh>
Kate: Was not, not a hot look, but, uh, it was mine. Yeah. That great. I think that's a really lovely, I actually think you would be really good at quilting. My aunt is an amazing quilter. It's such a beautiful art form.
Doree: My mom took like, learned how to quilt. That's like 10 years ago she took a class and it's been really fun for her. So, you know, I feel like maybe this is a thing that I like take up in my golden ears.
Kate: Yeah. I like that. I think that's a lovely, you know, that gives you some time, you know?
Doree: Totally. Yes.
Kate: I'll be surfing. <laugh> surfing safari with listening to the beach boys and you'll be sewing.
Doree: Oh, I can't, uh, maybe I'll sew you a wetsuit.
Speaker 5: <laugh> I
Kate: Feel like that's gonna be, can you, so through that tough, like scuba esque material, I
Doree: Mean, someone has to, right. Like how else are they made someone has to sew them. I guess you need like an industrial selling machine or something. Yeah. Yeah.
Kate: Mm. Well, what a fun conversation really took my mind off of the weight of the world.
Doree: Yeah. This was super fun. I hope we can do it again. Thank you so much to your dictionary. 66, unexpected getting to know you for students,
Kate: Students of life.
Doree: <laugh>
Doree: Wait, Kate, what were you gonna Say?
Kate: I was gonna say, thank you, Doree, for like, when I was like, Hey, what if we did a 20 questions thing you immediately were like, I found some questions and put them in the document. Mm
Doree: Yes. Yes.
Kate: If anyone wants to share their answers to any of these questions, I would love of,
Doree: Yeah. We will to know them link to this, to this site in, in the show notes. Um, it's like, I mean, you heard all the questions we asked. There's a whole other set on this page that are really geared to students that we did not read. Yeah. Um, but I always think things like this are fun because there's always like unexpected answers.
Kate: I would never would've thought you were gonna say sewing.
Doree: I mean, I didn't either that really came out of left
Kate: Field. That's the best feeling though, when you like really tap into your essential desires a little
Doree: Bit. Yeah, totally.
Kate: You know? Okay. Well
Doree: This was fun.
Kate: All right, well,
Doree: Let's do it again sometime.
Kate: Oh, and We, we do have to do the ending of this episode forever 35 is hosted and produced by Doree Shafrir and Kate Spencer. And it's produced and edited by Sam Junio. Sam Reed is our project manager and our network partner is a cast
Doree: Bye.