You Ask, We Answer: What’s In A Dream
Listeners send in their thoughts for Abe the cat, their experiences with America’s recent 10th grade class, and questions about Jungian analysis. There are also call outs for how listeners deal with food noise and a request for blurring powder recs.
Plus, Elise reflects on a whirlwind of a June and Doree realizes how fast her son is growing up!
(Photo of Elise’s cat Abe)
Mentioned in this Episode
Jungian Analysis
Finding Meaning in the Second Half of Life by Dr. James Hollis
LA Tourist Recs
Matcha places like Alfred’s Matcha or Blank Street
Bookstores like Skylight Books or The Last Bookstore
TJs Supergoop
To leave a voicemail or text for a future episode, reach them at 781-591-0390. Youcan also email the podcast at forever35podcast@gmail.com.
Visit forever35podcast.comfor links to everything they mention on the show or shopmyshelf.us/forever35.
Follow the podcast on Instagram (@Forever35Podcast) and join the Forever35 Patreon.
Sign up for the newsletter! Atforever35podcast.com/newsletter.
Transcript
The following transcript is AI generated.
Doree Shafrir (00:10):
Hello and welcome to Forever 35, a podcast about the things we do to take care of ourselves. I'm Doree Shafrir.
Elise Hu (00:18):
And I'm Elise Hu and we are two friends who like to talk a lot about serums.
Doree Shafrir (00:22):
And today is a You Ask We Answer episode where we answer all of your questions, comments, concerns, feedback. These used to be mini episodes and now they are full length episodes so we have more time to get into it and we have a lot to get into today.
Elise Hu (00:41):
Oh, awesome. Okay. I always come
(00:43):
Into these kind of blind and so it's going to be a fun surprise. All right, let's hit it.
Doree Shafrir (00:49):
Well, first we have to catch up. Sorry.
Elise Hu (00:53):
We can't
Doree Shafrir (00:53):
Hit it quite yet.
Elise Hu (00:58):
I'm just trying to process the last 30 days of my life, which have been rather intense. My parents have been here. They got here on June 1st and they left last night on June 30th. So it was a nice square month that they were here. However, I feel like there wasn't a day without some sort of drama. And some of it was awesome drama. A lot of the World Cup games I've gotten to see with other people.
Doree Shafrir (01:27):
I didn't
Elise Hu (01:27):
Go to any, but I've gotten to do a lot of World Cup viewing this month I was reflecting on, which was fun. And then my mom is such a great cook and so she makes sure she prepares lunch that we all get together and eat. We come together and eat at lunch and then we break. And then we all come together and eat at dinner and then we break. And so Rob was reflecting on how it feels sort of like one of those resort or retreats where you kind of all come together and then you'll go do your own separate thing. And it was like that. So I feel this really deep gratitude for both my parents being here and being able-bodied enough to do things
(02:08):
With us. My dad took beautiful care of the yard. He trimmed back my fig tree, my giant fig tree. He got up on a ladder and hacked that tree like a dead tree limb right off and then trimmed it beautifully. He trimmed the citrus trees. But then at the same time, it's difficult because I can tell how he is aging and he's kind of at early to mid-stage dementia. And so he has memories of college and where he went to school and his college life and the cultural revolution and the beginning of the cultural revolution. But he couldn't remember that we had gone to Phoenix to see Ava play volleyball.
Doree Shafrir (02:47):
Oh, wow. Okay.
Elise Hu (02:48):
And so we would be at lunch and he would say stuff like, "Ava, when am I going to get to see you play volleyball in real life?" And she's like, "You did, Opah. We were doing that in Phoenix." And then just blank. He just doesn't.
Doree Shafrir (03:02):
Oh man.
Elise Hu (03:03):
No. And so that's really hard and I have to grieve that. And then obviously Abe disappeared at the beginning of the month and he never came back. And so just living with that unknown is really hard. But overall, the fact that they were here and such supports and we had all of us together, Oscar almost died again. He swallowed three Bulldog Ramen spice packets plus a twisted up plastic bag that was found in his
Doree Shafrir (03:33):
Intestine. Oh my God.
Elise Hu (03:36):
Yeah, we took him to Phoenix or Rob drove him to Phoenix. The rest of us flew in order to save money on his doggy hotel because his doggy hotel
Doree Shafrir (03:44):
Costs
Elise Hu (03:44):
Like $120 a night to board him. We were sort of like, that's going to end up being $700 or something. Let's save the $700 only to have him require emergency surgery
Doree Shafrir (03:56):
In
Elise Hu (03:56):
Phoenix, which costs more than 10 times that. So maybe we should have just boarded him, huh?
Doree Shafrir (04:04):
Yeah. That's a real penny-wise pound foolish
Elise Hu (04:11):
Example.
Doree Shafrir (04:13):
Yeah.
Elise Hu (04:14):
Totally,
Doree Shafrir (04:15):
Totally. I'm so sorry.
Elise Hu (04:16):
I'm just trying to process June. I've gotten some DMs from some of y'all in the Forever 35 community about Abe. Thank you so much. And then I really want to shout out one of our longtime Forever 35 listeners, Kelsey, who is at the Desert Botanical Garden in Phoenix. And she reached out and said, "If you're ever going to be in Phoenix and want to go to the Desert Botanical Garden, reach out. " And she helped us get passes there. And so my whole family got to enjoy that thanks to one of our listeners. It was a gazillion degrees at 9:00 AM when we went, she said it opens at 6:00 AM because it gets so hot.
Doree Shafrir (04:57):
Oh my God.
Elise Hu (04:59):
Because the radiant heat is so bad. And my dad actually needed to use some of the cooling areas. The kids put to use those cooling areas as well. There were exhibits that were indoors, like light exhibits and things. But we would not have gone but for the invitation to do so by our listener. So thank you to Kelsey. Special shout out to her. Yeah. My mom loved it. She was like, "I want to come back and I want to come back at 6:00 AM at some time." And there was just so much volleyball that she didn't get to, but I know that if we're ever in Phoenix again, my mom certainly wants to take advantage.
Doree Shafrir (05:31):
That's really cool. And maybe you'll be back when it's not a hundred degrees. Yeah,
Elise Hu (05:38):
When I'm not on a frying pan. Anyway, give me the update. What's going on in your world?
Doree Shafrir (05:46):
Well, Henry started a new camp this week. So Matt dropped him off this morning and I got a text from him and it said, "I just talked to one of the counselors at camp who pulled me aside." And I was like, "Oh no, what's this going to say?" But then he continued to tell me how sweet Henry is and that yesterday he tried to get a game of Foursquare going. And he saw that she had a walkie-talkie. So he asked her to make an announcement about Foursquare convening.
Elise Hu (06:17):
That's so sweet.
Doree Shafrir (06:19):
And I was like, "Oh buddy, that's so... "
Elise Hu (06:22):
What a leader. What a natural
Doree Shafrir (06:23):
Born
Elise Hu (06:24):
Leader.
Doree Shafrir (06:24):
Yeah. And I was like, "He's going to a new school next year. This is maybe good practice." Because his last camp that he went to, he also didn't know anyone and he made friends and this week he doesn't know anyone. And so just this sort of practice for him of -
Elise Hu (06:42):
New situations.
Doree Shafrir (06:43):
New situations. Adapting.
Elise Hu (06:44):
Yep.
Doree Shafrir (06:44):
Yes, exactly. So I'm really proud of him and yeah, he's seeming older. Great. It's really wild. I know you and I have talked about this. How
Elise Hu (06:57):
Fast.
Doree Shafrir (06:58):
How fast it goes. And you have three, so you see it a lot. But I was like, "Oh, he's seven now. He's a kid and he's asking so many questions." And I don't know, it's a cool phase. Yeah,
Elise Hu (07:17):
I love it. And yet I'm nostalgic for when they were littler too.
(07:24):
This morning Rob got all teary-eyed and he was like, "I was thinking about how quickly they outgrow the couch fort stage where they'll make couch forts with you. " And he's like, "So today I did this reflection in my journal about how I want to make as many couch forts as possible until they don't make couch forts anymore." Yeah, it was very touching. Yeah. I mean, it was just kind of out of nowhere, but I think it's because his boys are a little bit older now. They're like, "Just don't do it. " And he was like, "You don't know when they're just not going to do it anymore."
Doree Shafrir (08:00):
Yeah. Yeah. Well, I got a couple of messages about this issue of the 10th graders, I guess now going into 11th grade. Yes.
Elise Hu (08:16):
Yes.
Doree Shafrir (08:18):
Someone wrote in to say one thing to add to the conversation about current high schoolers is that there was a significant decline in the American birth rate starting in 2008, which means that the seniors who graduated in 2026 were the last class that was part of what had been a pretty stable birth rate across the previous 30 years. Definitely interesting to think about how big picture phenomena like COVID years or declining birth rates may result in changes in student behavior.
Elise Hu (08:47):
Ooh, that's an interesting demographic question.
Doree Shafrir (08:49):
That is.
Elise Hu (08:51):
Yeah.
Doree Shafrir (08:51):
That is very interesting.
Elise Hu (08:53):
It reminds me of being the Japan correspondent for NPR because Japan is a declining population. So I did a lot of stories about schools that had to close and traditions that were going away and senior citizens who were committing petty crimes so that they could land themselves in jail in order to have company. So there are all sorts of social phenomena that result when the population's declining and then so much of it is older versus younger. It'll be interesting to see because it's happening all over the developed world.
Doree Shafrir (09:28):
It's really interesting. We also got a voicemail about this and about something else that we've been discussing.
Listener Voicemail (09:35):
Okay. Doree and Elise, there's two things that I just have to call in about. First thing, Doree, until you said something about your progesterone being taken at bedtime, I also did not read the label and I've been taking my progesterone in the morning. So switched to nighttime and I have been sleeping pretty good. So thanks for that little tip. And then secondly, I have a 10th grader or just graduated 10th grader. And yes, they are horrible. And maybe it does have something to do with them hitting puberty in COVID, like fifth, sixth, seventh grade, something like that. But he's wonderful of course, because he's my son and he's great, but his class has been so challenging every year for all the teachers. So there is definitely something to that. So anyways, I just wanted to call in about those two things. Thanks a lot. Bye.
Doree Shafrir (10:41):
Interesting, interesting, interesting. More anecdotal evidence. Yes.
Elise Hu (10:49):
I'm waiting for your slate pee story.
Doree Shafrir (10:51):
I know. Okay. Elise, someone asks, "Can Elise share what a Jungian counselor is? I'd love to know more. What it is, why they meet, how often, price, if she feels comfortable, et cetera. Thank you.
Elise Hu (11:06):
" Yeah. So the most common mode of therapy that is practiced today is cognitive behavioral therapy, CBT, talk therapy, if you will. And no knock against it. I go to a therapist who is a Jungian analyst and Jung as in Carl Jung, one of the fathers of modern psychotherapy or just one of the fathers of psychotherapy generally, that's J-U-N-G. And Jungian analysis focuses on unconscious material. The idea being that so many of our complexes, so many of our triggers, so many of the ways that we act that are against our own interests are as a result of our subconscious or our unconscious or buried material known as the shadow. And so that if we can make some of those unconscious or subconscious things, if we can surface them and analyze them and kind of frack them, if you will, that we will both individuate by, and by that I mean become the most you version of you.
(12:12):
My goal is to be 99 to 100% elise, but also it helps get rid of some of those things in your subconscious that are holding you back or
Doree Shafrir (12:23):
Making you
Elise Hu (12:23):
Do things that might hurt your own interests or hurt other people. And so my Jungian analyst, the way that he gets at the subconscious and unconscious is through dreams. And so we do a lot of dream analysis where I will just bring him dream material or he will give me some active imagination prompts to help me go into a dream state or be able to better remember my dreams in the morning. And I don't remember a lot of them. I mean, I see him every two weeks, largely because of cost and because of time like schedule. He works on a sliding scale, so what he charges me might be different than what he charges other people, but it's not more than however much a CBT therapist costs, probably a couple hundred dollars an hour I would say on average. And it has been tremendously transformative to me.
(13:18):
I have had a
Doree Shafrir (13:19):
CBT
Elise Hu (13:19):
Basically my whole life since I was 18 and into it. I've always been really interested in looking inward and better knowing myself and having somebody to process things with. And I actually ended up at one point during COVID having both. I had a CBT and a Young Ian and I ended up saying goodbye to my traditional therapist because Jonathan, my young Ian analyst, was so useful to me and made his use valuable in such a short amount of time. So I was introduced to him by my friend, Dr. Jen, who was a scientist and an ER doctor at the time and she was like, "This man, I know it sounds kind of like old school to do Yungian analysis, but this guy has returned the poetry to my life." And so that's how she
Doree Shafrir (14:09):
Said it.
Elise Hu (14:10):
And then I started seeing him. My best friend Liz started seeing him. She turned her executive coach onto him. So one of the executive coaches for all of Apple now goes to him. My friend Kara's son goes to him. There's so many people who I've now, I feel like I should get free sessions because so many people now go to this particular Yungian analyst. But it's over Zoom
Doree Shafrir (14:34):
And
Elise Hu (14:34):
It's about one hour every two weeks. And you should look for a Yogian analyst if you're interested in this kind of work. The shortcut to it I will offer is Dr. James Hollis, who is one of my favorite Youngian authors. Dr. James Hollis wrote a book that makes so much sense to read at midlife. It's called Finding Meaning in the Second Half of Life: How to Finally Really Grow Up by James Hollis. He's still alive. Oh, wow. He's one
Doree Shafrir (15:09):
Of the
Elise Hu (15:09):
Best known analysts in this field in this type of analyst.
Doree Shafrir (15:14):
How cool.
Elise Hu (15:15):
And he makes a bunch of podcast appearances, but you can hear him talk about the difference between first adulthood and second adulthood and how important it is to make that middle passage between first adulthood and second adulthood. And if you don't, you kind of get stuck and your demons sort of rule your life. But if you do, you can really begin to open up in a way that maybe you didn't have the time or energy to in the first half of adulthood, which is
Doree Shafrir (15:45):
When
Elise Hu (15:45):
You're working on getting a job and forming the relationships and maybe making a family and all those sorts of things. So it's like the first half of your adulthood is about external goals and trying to do the things that society expects you to do. And then the second part of adulthood is about looking inward and being the most you can be. So that was kind of a long way to get a burger, but hopefully it answers your question.
Doree Shafrir (16:15):
I mean, it's intriguing for sure.
Elise Hu (16:18):
James Hollis, he's the man.
Doree Shafrir (16:20):
Okay. Well, we are going to take a short break. Before we do that, just a reminder, you can call or text us at 781-591-0390 and email us at forever35podcast@gmail.com. Our website is forever35podcast.com for links to everything we mention on the show and you can follow us on Instagram @forever35podcast. You can also join our patreon@patreon.com/forever35. So many great benefits over there. We have multiple tiers, so head over there, check it out. Shop our favorite products at shopmy.us/forever35, and we are going to take a short break. And when we come back, we have some messages about Abe. I know. And then a kind of life question from someone. So stay tuned. We'll be right back.
Elise Hu (17:09):
We'll be right back.
Doree Shafrir (17:17):
All right, we are back. Elise, we have a couple of voicemails about Abe. Yeah.
Listener Voicemail (17:25):
Hey, this message is for Elise. I'm so sorry to hear about Abe. I just wanted to share that I grew up on a farm in the middle of nowhere in the Midwest and cats just kind of populate themselves and they come and go. And some seasons you have way too many cats. And the joke of being a farmer is that you would in theory, you have too many cats and so you drive many miles from home and you drop them off to get rid of them. And then the joke is that the cats beat you home. And so I just really want to believe that Abe is living his rum spring cat spring a best cat springa life because sometimes my favorite farm cat that summer would go missing and then they would randomly find their way home in a month or two. And sometimes they wouldn't have a tail, but they really lived their best life when they came home.
(18:23):
Also, is he a male and does he still have his balls? Because if so, if he's kind of an outdoor cat and if he has a Tom cat, then the Tom cats always leave. Always, always, always, always, always leave. And sometimes they come back and sometimes they don't. They're just out living their best procreation life.
(18:46):
Anyway, but I'm sorry, I'm really thinking of Abe that really stinks. Okay, bye.
Elise Hu (18:52):
Thank you so much for your message and so many of the other messages I've received privately. It's sort of poignant that you mention farm cats because Abe is a tuxedo cat. He's a black and white cat who looks like he's wearing a tuxedo because of his markings. They're often called farm cats. Tuxedo cats are often referred to as farm cats. And so yeah, it's lovely to imagine that. And that's kind of where I'm going with my imagination. I don't think he could get lost. I do think that if he were anywhere close to home and not trapped somewhere or stolen, he would be home.
(19:36):
He was born 2019, or no, born at the end of 2018, I think. So six, sorry, seven, almost eight. And he had his pockets picked. He was already fixed by the time we got him and as a male and has never had an issue. He's come home every night and really only hung out in the backyard. So it's not like he was running even next door. My next door neighbors were not familiar with him. So who knows what he was doing? I know he caught me a couple birds in his lifetime, but there's birds in my yard. So yeah, don't know. I hate having to live with the mystery. It's really hard. That's just really hard.
Doree Shafrir (20:19):
Yeah, I'm so sorry.
Elise Hu (20:21):
Thank you. And then we have a message from someone who tried to call in, but then texted, one, I'm so sorry Abe is missing. But two, the same thing happened to us when we lived in California and we found our guy after three days by putting the word out to neighbors. Turns out he was just chilling in someone's house just a few blocks over. Three, highly recommend tractive trackers for any kitties who go outside. We now live in Wyoming where predators abound and we use the trackers pretty much every day to get them in before dark. It's also fun to see where they go and how far. Sometimes in summer they go six miles a day on those short little legs. Wow. If Abe doesn't come home and we are going to already, we're thinking about how to memorialize him as a family because I think ritual is really important.
(21:06):
If Abe doesn't come home, I think I'm not going to be able to own a cat for a while. I've had cats my entire adult life. Ever since I got my first job out of Texas, I've had cats and sometimes as many as four cats because we would foster as well.
Doree Shafrir (21:24):
Wow.
Elise Hu (21:24):
And I love cats. One time I was training for a marathon and me and my running buddy, Eddie, we had hit the 22nd mile of a 25-mile training run and then heard kittens in a bush near us. We heard a bunch of kittens and we could clearly, they had no home and they had just been living there. They were old and their eyes were open. And so we ran three miles holding kittens in our arms that were scratching. And we got them because his wife at the time was at the Austin, it was like an animal rescue. And so we had to get them in. Oh my gosh, I'll never forget that episode with the kittens and running with kittens scratching us for three miles. It was crazy. But I love kitties. It's just Abe was such a special cat. And to have him disappear the way he did, I don't think my heart can take it.
(22:21):
I just can't take it. And Rob is a very sensitive soul also. And we were joking about how he doesn't seem to care that much about CC, our hermit crab. I was like, you don't extend this. He's like, "I just can't get emotionally attached to a crustacean. I'm sorry."
(22:39):
I'm like, "You don't check on Cece. You don't check on Cece daily. I'm always checking on Cece and his crabitat, and I cannot believe that Cece is still alive.
Doree Shafrir (22:51):
Okay, we have one more question before we take a break. Hello, Doree and Elise. Longtime listener of the pod coming to the question that I hope you'll bring to the listeners for feedback. I have been overweight all of my life. I went from being a chubby kid to a chunky teenager and finally an obese adult. I know that it's a mixture of genetics and lifestyle. I'm working with a personal trainer and my therapist and I've also worked with a nutritionist in the past, so I know what to do as far as getting healthier. In fact, that is my goal now. I don't really want to lose weight because in my mind that's not really possible for me. I just want to feel better physically in my body and live longer. That's not what I'm writing about. Recently, I saw an interview with Oprah who talked about how being on a GLP-1 helped her quiet the 'food noise.
(23:37):
And I realized that that, the food noise and body image noise takes up about 80% of my mental energy and I absolutely hate it. To an extent, this can't be helped. I was diagnosed with OCD as a teenager so obsessing over things is kind of what I do, but I'm wondering how folks, regardless of their actual body size or shape, combat the constant food/body noise. I would really appreciate some advice. Oh, and before anyone suggests this, I have taken GLP-1s. They landed me in the hospital. Shrug. Thank you. Anonymous.
Elise Hu (24:09):
It's so hard. This is such a big question. There's something that Virginia Soul-Smith said. Virginia Soul-Smith is a friend of the pod. She's a podcaster herself. She's a body liberation journalist and she's an author of a few books, most recent one called Fat Talk. Maybe I'm garbling this, but I remember her saying something like, "Sometimes food noise can just be hunger. Are we eating enough? Are you depriving yourself?" And that is the food noise. So that's one thing to consider. You don't have to earn your food, that taking care of yourself means feeding yourself what it needs and what it's hungry for. And it is not some sort of moral failing to exist in our bodies, however our bodies exist. And it's hard to combat all of that. We live in a society that's very fatphobic and continues to be, and maybe is even more fatphobic now because it's so visual.
Doree Shafrir (25:13):
Yeah.
Elise Hu (25:14):
What would you say, Doree?
Doree Shafrir (25:16):
I mean, we are not doctors and we used to always preface the mini apps by saying we're not experts and we encourage you to seek support from a medical or mental health professional as needed. So I would love to hear from listeners who have firsthand experience with this. And I would also say if you are not under the care of a psychiatrist now, it might be something to talk about with the psychiatrist if there's something that you could take that is not a GLP-1 that might help with the obsessive thoughts. Or
Elise Hu (25:55):
Just even intrusive thoughts,
Doree Shafrir (25:57):
Right? Yeah, or the intrusive thoughts. Again, not a doctor, so feel free to disregard, but that was what immediately came to mind here. The food noise thing is so tricky. I feel like I used to have it when I was so obsessed with body image and then I don't know, I think it just kind of stopped, which I realize is not especially helpful in this context. But I think I just sort of got older and started eating what I wanted to eat when I wanted to eat it and did a little bit of research into intuitive eating, which was super helpful and not restricting and trying to see eating as an act of joy in community instead of something that should be restricted. Again, speaking from personal experience, this is definitely not a one-size-fits-all situation, no pun intended. So I'm just sharing my own experience here, but I would love to hear from other listeners about their own experiences.
(27:12):
But thank you so much for writing in and I'm so grateful that you entrusted this question to us, so thank you. All right, now we are going to take a break. And when we come back, we have some sun protection recommendations.
Elise Hu (27:28):
Great.
Doree Shafrir (27:28):
Love that. And then we also have a request for fun things to do in LA with teenage girls.
Elise Hu (27:37):
I got some of those.
Doree Shafrir (27:38):
Elise, I feel like this is your time to shine. All right, we are going to take a short break and we will be right back.
Elise Hu (27:46):
We'll be right back.
Doree Shafrir (27:54):
All right, we are back. Elise, do you want to read this next question?
Elise Hu (27:58):
"Hi, Doree and Elise. I am a long-term fan of the pod beginning during the pandemic when I listened on long walks around my neighborhood. I'm going to LA in late December with my husband and our teenage daughters, 15, 17. We'll be going to the touristy spots plus some TikTok famous spots the girls know about like Erowan for the Haley Bieber smoothie and the Pink Wall in the Grove. Do you have any off the beaten path recommendations for our vacation? Well, the girls love slime. So my first one is the Slumu Institute, which is in Beverly Grove where you can make your own slime concoctions, but also I think jump into a lake of slime itself. So even though your 17-year-old might be less into it, but she can still make her own concoctions, which is fun. My older one is not as into slime as the younger ones, but the Slime Museum is fun and special.
(28:58):
The other I would suggest is the Academy Museum because it has all sorts of cool exhibits that kind of come in and out, but also just the costuming from movies that they love, the scripts, the original scripts with notes, sets. It's
Doree Shafrir (29:14):
Really
Elise Hu (29:14):
A cool museum. And plus it has a gorgeous TikTok worthy roof. So at the very top, there's the stome that they built on top of it that's outdoor, the structure, and it has great views, but also it's very TikTok worthy. So I'm thinking of TikTok backdrops for y'all. The Stussy store, I'm guessing your daughters are into Stussy because Stussy is back and there's long lines for their Stussy hoodies. The other big thing with teens of course are the matchas, like all the matcha places. And so the cool matcha place that my daughter likes to go to here in LA is Alfred's. And I feel like I have to spend $70 there a week,
(29:58):
Which is insane. For green powder and milk. And then Blank Street, which is the venture capital or the private equity backed matcha that is very popular in London and New York. We will have an LA location of Blank Street matcha by then. So I'm just ticking off things that are cool on TikTok. Also, if your girls are into Love Island, this is a very now, a very this week recommendation. Gall from Love Island has a surf coffee shop in Venice, very close to where I live. And because Gaul broke up with Jen in such a kind of cruel way, this coffee shop, Gall's coffee shop you could visit, which is I guess a little off the beaten track or at least kind of TikTok known to a certain segment of the teen population. If you say your name is Jen, you get a free coffee.
Doree Shafrir (30:52):
That's so funny.
Elise Hu (30:53):
Because he did Jen dirty. So hopefully that helps.
Doree Shafrir (30:58):
I was also going to say depending on what your daughters are into, a studio tour could be fun.
Elise Hu (31:04):
Yes. Oh my gosh, Gilmore Girls. The Warner Brothers Studio Tour has so many Gilmore Girls sets and the teens really did this Gilmore Girls re-watch a lot of teens have. So that's a great idea. And then I forgot to mention all the cool private karaoke rooms that they might be into. So anyway, those are just a few things. Also, cool bookstores. Love the last bookstore. Yeah. If you're downtown, go to the last bookstore. If you're in East Hollywood, go to skylight, giant tree in the middle. There's just great bookstores.
Doree Shafrir (31:39):
Cool. Good suggestions. All right, moving on to some sunscreen questions and recommendations. We got a text that said, "I use Ilia Skin Superserum Skin Tint, which I love, but it leaves my forehead a little too dewy, i.e. Shiny. I've been putting ELFHD powder, which I've been happy with, but I just ran out. So I'm curious about other options. I like a light to medium coverage and have liked blurring powder. I'd love to hear your or other listener Rex thanks."
Elise Hu (32:10):
I've really liked It Cosmetics, their CC cream, but this would replace your Ilia Skin Super Serum skin tint. It will make you dewy, but it also contains SPF. So I like that. You'll still need a powder over it. So blurring powder recommendations. Anyone? Listeners?
Doree Shafrir (32:32):
Yeah, not for me because I have never used blurring powder, so I'm not the one to ask about blurring powder.
Elise Hu (32:39):
Might be time to get Rachel Goodwin back. We should put this
Doree Shafrir (32:41):
In our Rachel
Elise Hu (32:42):
Goodwin questions. Oh
Doree Shafrir (32:42):
Yeah, I do need to book her again. This is a good question for her. But yes, we throw it out to the listeners, so please let us know. All right. I got an email that said, "This is sort of related to the question a listener recently asked about sun protection for kiddos at Sandy Beaches. You both mentioned that you like covering up. I totally agree with that approach. My husband and I take that up a notch with our family by getting our UPF layers wet before putting them on. The evaporative cooling makes the hot summer days so much more bearable. This is definitely a function over aesthetics tips. Do I need to mention that my husband is an engineer? Mall, but I don't care if I look weird when I'm so comfortable."
Elise Hu (33:25):
I am envious of people with engineer husbands. I think engineer husbands are so rad. They have really practical, handy solutions backed by science.
Doree Shafrir (33:36):
Totally. So funny. Or engineer wives.
Elise Hu (33:39):
Engineer wives, same thing.
Doree Shafrir (33:41):
Engineer
Elise Hu (33:42):
Partners.
Doree Shafrir (33:42):
Engineer partners. Interesting. So where do you wet? I'm just thinking if I'm going to the beach, I don't want to be like - You shower at the beach. Right. You shower at the beach, I assume. But she said we get them wet before putting them on. So I'm not going to - Oh, at home you mean? Yeah, I'm not going to do that because I'm about to get in the car to drive to the beach. But yeah, I guess I would just get them wet at the beach. Okay, good tips. And then we got a text someone had written in saying that super goop moose had been discontinued because I think the FDA said it was not effective. Oops. So they are recommending vacation brand sunscreen their vacation whip. It's at a lot of drugstores, Ulta, et cetera. It's not cheap, but neither is the moose. And I use CVS coupons to reduce the price.
(34:39):
Kids love it because it literally is like using whipped cream and smells like classic coconut SPF. Admittedly, 30 is a week SPF, but Ulta and the vacation website sell an SPF 50 version. Also much less glamorous and fun, but way cheaper and sensitive skin friendly. My whole family loves the TJ's Super Goop unseen dupes. The small one for face, the big one for body. They're exactly the same. I actually prefer them to unseen.
Elise Hu (35:05):
Great. This is a good recommendation. Awesome. I didn't know what would be a good dupe
Doree Shafrir (35:10):
For the moose. I don't like the Trader Joe's, but -
Elise Hu (35:14):
Oh, yeah.
Doree Shafrir (35:16):
Okay. Here's something that I have a question about though. This vacation classic whip does look cool, but this is a moose.
Elise Hu (35:27):
Why is that okay? Right.
Doree Shafrir (35:28):
I don't know. I don't know. This is what I'm confused by. Why was the super goop banned? But this is 100% a moose and it comes out like a moose. So I'm going to need someone to do some research into this please. Okay. Now - One last wreck. Our last comment, one last wreck. This person wrote, okay, so no more dish towel wrecks except, and then they linked to some West Elm embroidered tennis tea towel sets.
Elise Hu (36:09):
Oh, how cute.
Doree Shafrir (36:11):
That look really cute. Time
Elise Hu (36:14):
To spruce up
Doree Shafrir (36:15):
Your
Elise Hu (36:15):
Kitchen.
Doree Shafrir (36:17):
Tennis kitchen. Yeah, these are really cute. So thank you for sending these. All right. Elise, it's the intention zone. How did Sleep Maxing go?
Elise Hu (36:33):
It's going well except for the night I went to a rave. The middle-aged rave
Doree Shafrir (36:36):
Club
Elise Hu (36:37):
Is still going.
Doree Shafrir (36:38):
And so
Elise Hu (36:38):
We weren't home until three in the morning because these start at 10:00 PM and you don't want to be the old people who show up right at 10:00 PM.
Doree Shafrir (36:45):
Right. Yeah.
Elise Hu (36:47):
So we're the old people who show up at 10:30.
Doree Shafrir (36:50):
When you said middle-aged rave club, you just meant you go with your middle-aged friend, not like this is a rave for middle-aged people.
Elise Hu (36:58):
No. Yeah, it's a rave
Doree Shafrir (36:59):
For
Elise Hu (37:00):
20-year-olds. But you know what? These EDM type festivals and things are so inclusive. They run the gamut. There's 90-year-olds there. Wow, there are. At the festivals. This is more of a club. This was a place called The Exchange downtown, which was an old stock exchange floor back in the day. Oh, cool. So there's kind of the floor in the middle and then balconies around that look down on it, and that's where they do all the table service areas. But you don't want to be in the table service area. You want to be part of the gen pop when you're at a dance party. So yeah, those, they're called all nights or something or something like that in the whole dance party scene. All nighters or something like that. And so there was no way to go earlier than we went and I still had to get home kind of late.
(37:53):
And then Rob needed help getting on recreation.gov the next morning at 7:00 AM to book his campsite for the Sierras. Because getting campsites in the Sierras is sort of like getting Olivia Rodrigo tickets. You have to sit there and reload a million times.
Doree Shafrir (38:10):
Yeah. Okay.
Elise Hu (38:12):
So that night was blown, but otherwise I'm sleep maxing. I'm doing great. I'm getting close to nine hours sometimes. It's awesome. And yeah, I would like to re-up that intention, but I don't think it's going to be as possible now that my parents are gone because my parents were really helping me out. So this week I'm going to return to some cardiovascular activity, which I've done almost none of. So I'm going to do cardiovascular activity, cardio. Cardio is my intention again this week. What about you, Doree? Last week it was about getting ready to travel.
Doree Shafrir (38:54):
Yes. So I'm staying with my parents. Going to try not to go crazy in their small apartment with my family for a week. What is
Elise Hu (39:05):
It like when you go crazy? Is it loud or is it quiet?
Doree Shafrir (39:12):
I think it's more quiet and it's more like, "I need to get out of here."
Elise Hu (39:16):
Right. Like a boiling. Okay.
Doree Shafrir (39:18):
Yes, yes, yes, exactly.
Elise Hu (39:19):
Because with me, it's an explosion and everybody has to learn about it and my kids are like, "You're crashing out. You're fully crashing out. " So there's not one way to crash out.
Doree Shafrir (39:31):
Right, exactly. Exactly. I think I also get irritable, which I don't love that about myself. So trying to recognize that and not do it. So that's my intention.
Elise Hu (39:47):
Yes. So
Doree Shafrir (39:48):
We wish you
Elise Hu (39:49):
Calm and ease.
Doree Shafrir (39:50):
Thank you so much. All right. Well, this is the episode where we thank our Patreon supporters at the sweet and spa levels. Thank you to the following people, LM, Alvin, Ariel C, Iora Chiconi, Sarah Liska, FR, Justice Byro, Jasmine DeJesus, Christie, Caitlin H, Katie, Ashley Taylor, Teresa Anderson, Nicole Gass, Maya, Barbara C, Amy, Amy Schnitzer, Megan, Shelly Lee, Cookie Townsend, Sarah Boozy, Allison Cohen, Melissa McLean, Jackie Leventhal, Fran, Kelsey Wolf Donay, Laura Eddie, Jel Apti, Valerie Bruno, Julie Daniel, Katie Cutron, E. Jackson, Alicia, Katherine Burke, Amy Maseco, Liz Rain, JDK, Hannah M. Julia P, Madi, Marissa, Sarah Bell, Maria, Diana, ST, Laura Haden, Josie H, Nikki Bosser, Juliana Duff, Chelsea Torres, Olivia Fahey, Elizabeth A, Christine Bassis, Jessica Gale, Zulima Lundy, Carolyn Rodriguez, Carrie Golds, AntT, Katherine Ellington, Kara Brugman, Sarah H, Sarah Egan, Jess Combin, Jennifer Olson, Jennifer HS, Eliza Gibson, Jillian Bowman, Elizabeth Holland, Katie Jordan, Sarah, M.
(41:04):
Blanca, Blanca, Kate M, Josie Alquist, Tara Todd, Elizabeth, Cleary, and Monica. We are so grateful for you and appreciate you. Yes, thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much for supporting us, and we will talk to you all soon.
Elise Hu (41:17):
Talk to you next time.
Doree Shafrir (41:18):
Bye.