You Ask, We Answer: Korean Skincare, Cable Corral, and Sunscreen
Listeners send in their thoughts and questions about how to keep cables in all the right places, what skincare to consider purchasing on an upcoming trip to Korea, and the best sunscreens for UV protection.
Plus, Elise goes on a secret vacation from her kids and Doree receives solidarity for a messy car.
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Doree Shafrir (00:10):
Hello and welcome to Forever 35, a podcast about the things we do to take care of ourselves. I'm Doree Shafrir.
Elise Hu (00:18):
And I'm Elise Hu, and we're just two friends who like to talk a lot about serums.
Doree Shafrir (00:22):
And this is a You Ask We Answer episode where we get to all of your questions, comments, concerns, thoughts, feedback, all the things. This is now a full length episode. These used to be called mini episodes, but now they have been elevated, they've been promoted, they got a title change and a salary bump. Yes. And Elise, do you want to tell our listeners who's coming on the show in a few weeks?
Elise Hu (00:48):
Oh yes. My dermatologist, Dr. Jenny Wang, is going to come back to answer y'all's skin related questions, skincare, skin maladies, anything that is for a dermatologist. We will have a board certified dermatologist and somebody who treats me available to answer your questions. We will get those in advance and then ask her on the show. And so please do send them in to forever35podcast@gmail.com. You can do it in the form of a voice memo and that way you can ask Dr. Wong directly or you can text or leave a voice message there at 781-591-0390, 781-591-0390 and send in your questions that way too. Really excited to have Dr. Wong back on the show. She was great. She was a real fan favorite last time.
Doree Shafrir (01:45):
Yeah, she was really good. It was so funny because we had reached out to a couple of dermatologist influencers who had huge followings on TikTok and they didn't respond or they responded and then ghosted. And so Elise was like, "Well, my dermatologist is amazing." And we got so much feedback that was like, "Thank you for not having one of those influencer dermatologists on your show."
Elise Hu (02:13):
Yeah. She was very practical and then she's not sponsored by anyone.
Doree Shafrir (02:17):
No, exactly.
Elise Hu (02:18):
So when she suggests a product or something, it's just because she likes it.
Doree Shafrir (02:22):
Yeah, exactly. Exactly. So I just though that was funny. It was sort of like, oh, this all happened the way it was supposed to. We were supposed to be blown off by the celebrity influencer dermatologists and have this other amazing woman on.
Elise Hu (02:37):
Yes, yes.
Doree Shafrir (02:39):
Elise, tell us all the things. Tell us about your dink week.
Elise Hu (02:44):
Oh yes. I had dink week, D-I-N-K, dual income no kids week. I'm back. It was very restorative. We secretly left the mainland and went to Big Island Hawaii for the week that the girls were at sleepaway camp. And I say secretly because I had gotten the tickets and the hotel for Rob's birthday, but didn't tell Issa and Ava and Luna because Ava loves Hawaii. It's one of her favorite places on earth and she was already not wanting to go to sleepaway camp or making some noise about not wanting to go. And so I thought if she knew that she was going to go to sleepaway camp in the woods and not have access to electronics and a blow dryer and stuff for a week, and we were going to be on the big island drinking Mai Thais and reading in the infinity pool, she would lose her mind.
(03:40):
So we just didn't tell her. We were like, "Oh, you guys have fun," and just didn't say anything one way or the other. It was just sort of lying by omission, I suppose. And then after they left, we dropped them off on a Sunday at 1:00 PM and then got to the airport by 5:00 PM and then were off.
Doree Shafrir (03:58):
Amazing. Wait, can I ask, do they still not know that you went to Hawaii?
Elise Hu (04:03):
No, no. The way they found out was when I came back, I had souvenirs. I got a little hula girls for your dashboard in the car. I got one of those hula girls for Ava and then a lei and a sticker and I put it in her room and I put high chews in the other girls' rooms and I brought back some things for our hermit crab Cisi. I found some lava rocks for Cisi to climb on.
Doree Shafrir (04:26):
Cute.
Elise Hu (04:26):
And I left those for Luna to put in the crabatat. And so I guess I wasn't home when Ava came home and found these things and she went to Rob and was like, "Were you all in Hawaii?" And he was like, "Ugh." And that's how she found out. And she was like, "I am very upset. I am very upset." She was like, "I was taking two minute showers and you were off on the big island." But we were entitled. We were entitled and I needed it. I needed a very restorative week away from the kids, and it really was. It all went really well. We just ate awesome food, a lot of fresh fish. And our resort was on one of those really soft sand beaches. And so we were either by the pool or down by the ocean on the beach, just reading, reading a lot.
(05:21):
Rob made it through two and a half books. I made it through three books. We did this night swim with manta rays where the manta rays will come right at you up and do these belly rolls right in front of you. And it's because you go out on a boat 20 minutes into the ocean and then wait for the sun to set. And then they have these platforms, these floating platforms that beam light that attract plankton. The plankton then attract the mantas and the mantas just swim right up underneath you and they have you just sort of float and be as flat as possible holding on to the platform itself so that these mantas can just kind of swim right up underneath you at night. And just doing it at night is so cool. And just being out on the ocean like that lit by the stars, except the waters were very choppy.
(06:09):
So Rob did have to barf a couple times. He had to disappear. Oh dear. Where people were like, "What happened to Rob?" He gets a little seasick. Oh no. But incredible experience. And then on the very last morning we went snorkeling off the beach at our hotel because there was really great snorkeling. There were other people at our hotel who saw sea turtles and eel. And so we were like, "Let's go snorkeling." And we go out into the ocean and I got too close to the rocks and so swam into an uni, a sea urchin. And so then I pull my. It's obvious that I'm suddenly in pain. I pull my leg out of the water and there's long spikes coming out of my leg, which is terrifying. And then they looked almost like long hair even, not like porcupine spikes. So then my immediate instinct was to yank them out, but you're not actually supposed to do that because some of it, if you don't do it clean, some of the spikes can get stuck.
(07:18):
And then the other spikes that were more brittle just did get stuck. So I wound up coming out of the ocean and then having 22 sea urchin spikes in my leg.
Doree Shafrir (07:27):
Oh my God. Ow.
Elise Hu (07:28):
Yes. Which then you have to -
Doree Shafrir (07:29):
Yeah, you posted on Instagram.
Elise Hu (07:32):
Yep.
Doree Shafrir (07:33):
It looked painful.
Elise Hu (07:34):
It sure was. And the only way to deal with that is to wait for them to dissolve. So you have to sort of just sit in hot water, like steaming hot water or pour vinegar or something really acidic onto it to help dissolve the calcium that the spikes are made out of. So I joked that I brought some Hawaii home with me. Free souvenir. I later did some research and found out that sea urchin, they don't have brains, so it's not like it didn't do it to me on purpose. It was really my bad. It was my user error. I came too close to it and it was probably burrowed in a rock. So everything's cool between me and the sea urchin.
Doree Shafrir (08:19):
We're cool. You've made your piece.
Elise Hu (08:22):
Yeah.
Doree Shafrir (08:24):
Well, okay. I'm glad to hear that you left Hawaii with that closure.
Elise Hu (08:33):
Yes. All in all, a great trip. And I got a straw bag for the trip because I realized I need kind of a big straw tote that would look cute with all of my outfits. And I got one from Banana Republic Outlet or something before I left. And I don't remember which Substack person introduced it to me, but I really like it and it was on sale. So I will find it and link it from our Shop My and in our show notes because I really liked my straw bag. And then I also brought the Dalba sunscreen that has vitamin C in it that was excellent. I mean, I got tan, I got a lot of color, and my freckles are really out, but the sunscreen was great and I just don't like it when it stings, if I'm in the pool or something. Never bothered me at all, but offered great protection. So the Dalba sunscreen with the vitamin C in it was excellent. Anything else I wore on vacay that I really liked?
(09:35):
Oh, I wore one sandal all week. It was a reef sandal. And when I wore a dress for dinner, like a sun dress for dinner, I could wear those sandals. And then when I wore shorts or my swimsuit to the pool, I could wear that. It was just a real all around versatile sandal. So those were my MVPs from the trip
Doree Shafrir (09:55):
That all - Were you linked to those?
Elise Hu (09:56):
Yeah. Yeah. I wanted to mention that to the listeners.
Doree Shafrir (09:59):
Cool. Cool. Well, before we get to more of our listener comments and questions, we did get a funny text which said, "Doree, my car is disgusting. My husband's is very clean. Guess who drives the kids around most?"
Elise Hu (10:17):
I wonder.
Doree Shafrir (10:18):
Yeah. I mean, in your case, I'm sure it is obvious. I will say Matt and I drive Henry around pretty equally because both of our schedules are pretty flexible. So if one of us drops him off, the other one usually picks him up and we split it pretty evenly. So both of our cars are equally disgusting.
Elise Hu (10:38):
Yeah, I was going to say that too. Both of our cars are disgusting and we switch cars. And so I think that the kids are in both cars pretty evenly too, though I am trying to drive the electric car way more. Gas prices are still insane. And
Doree Shafrir (10:54):
I think we got some savings. When we were in Boston, we rented a car and it was a hybrid and we still have gas cars and I was like, "Oh, this is nice." So I think my next car will definitely be, if not full electric, it will be a hybrid.
Elise Hu (11:16):
Yes. Because
Doree Shafrir (11:17):
Gas is insane right now.
Elise Hu (11:19):
Totally,
Doree Shafrir (11:20):
Totally. All right. We are going to take a short break. Again, I know Elise mentioned this at the top of the show, but our voicemail number is 781-591-0390. Our email is forever35podcast@gmail.com. You can visit our website, forever35podcast.com. We have links there to everything we mention on the show. We are on Instagram @forever35podcast, and please join our Patreon. We have so much fun over on our Patreon. We have multiple levels. We have a free level where you get our newsletter, where we have pod highlights, product reviews, discounts, additional bonus content. It's always fun. At $5 a month, you get access to our weekly casual chat, which is now on video if you would like to watch us. We do live casual chats. You have access to our community chat on the Patreon app, which is really fun for our monthly pop culture episodes. Everyone always recommends their own pop culture recommendations, and it's a really fun conversation.
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(12:44):
We'll be right back.
(12:52):
All right, we are back. Elise, do you want to read this first DM?
Elise Hu (12:57):
Sure. Just in case this is useful to your listener with the food noise inquiry, I wanted to send this along. I got a lot of flack for it, but maybe it could be helpful, especially since she is someone for whom a GLP-1 is obviously contraindicated given the hospitalization. Yikes. And what this caller sent in was a New York Times piece from 2023, and the essay is titled What If Food Noise is Just Hunger? So we mentioned that briefly in one of our previous episodes when this caller had questions about it, but we will link this New York Times piece by Dr. Kate Mann, Forever 35 friend and listener from 2023 from our show notes. So take a read.
Doree Shafrir (13:48):
Thank you. Okay. This next text, Elise, I feel like we've talked about this in the past and you had a lot of thoughts about it.
Elise Hu (13:58):
Oh, okay.
Doree Shafrir (13:59):
"Doree and Elise, what are we doing with charging cords and cables?
(14:05):
They drive me crazy. I find them hard to identify which port is going to work with which device just by looking and tried to label them at one point, but other people in my family ended up using them with different devices and the system fell apart. I'm looking for organization tips so I'm not always running around when inevitably said device is almost dead. One product recommendation that has alleviated some but not all of this annoyance is the Zen's Quatro Charger Pro four. Not cheap, but I gave it to my husband as a Christmas present and it has really benefited both of us. It's a doc that is amazing. Fast charging even with four devices on it, magnetic connection, so it kind of secures the phone or AirPods. I highly recommend it. My current qualm is with all other cables. Somehow we have so many devices that need to be charged.
(14:52):
Kid airport headphones, baby monitor, essential oil diffuser, so many cords. And in theory, these cords shouldn't be moving around, but they do. We were just out of town, so they got moved around even more than usual. Help. Thanks." So one thing that I do just want to note is that I believe it was, I think in the EU, they passed a law that you can't use proprietary ports anymore. Everything has to be USB-C, essentially. So that's why on your iPhone, they don't use that lightning cable anymore and there's no old USB on anything new anymore. Everything is USB-C. My son's airport headphones are USB-C and his Yodo is USB-C. And so I think that that should even. Once the planned obsolescence of electronic devices occurs, that should help the cord issue because theoretically you should just need USB-C
Elise Hu (15:51):
Cords. Yeah. If you want a base recommendation, like a charging station that we really like, there's one that is from Basius. I had to look it up. I actually had to look down at my charging station that is 27.99, so about 28 bucks, and it's a 10 and one USB-C fast charging desktop charger, and you can use it for your desktops, but also your other devices, tablets, phone, anything. So we have one here at my workstation. There's one near my bed where the kids like to charge things, but really I have the dehumidifier and the air purifier and everything is kind of plugged in around there too. I still haven't solved the problem of the kids just stealing my charging cables. I have labeled them like this is the kitchen one, and I really probably am going to have to buy that Shark Tank tool, which is where the base of the charging base, the brick is actually behind the outlet cover so that people can't steal it anymore.
(17:03):
That was something that y'all suggested when we talked about this cord problem. But in terms of charging stations, there's some really good ones out there. I like one from Anker as well, A-N-K-E-R-R. And yeah, Story's right. Once everybody gets caught up to the USB-C protocol, which it has taken 10 years to finally - It's taken so long. Get everybody standardized
Doree Shafrir (17:26):
Once that happens to be easier. But most of my devices now are USB-C. Are USB-C. But yes, I have a box somewhere of - Old cables. Obsolete cables, and I'm like, "Why do I still have this?"
Elise Hu (17:40):
Every yard sale I ever go to has a sale on cables. Every yard sale that I have ever wandered by in the last five years, every time I feel like going to a yard sale, there's a box of just cables from somebody's house. And I'm just like, "Oh, I have that box too at my house." So if you are looking for an out-of-date cable, be sure to wander to your neighborhood yard sale or garage sale. Everyone has
Doree Shafrir (18:08):
One. Well, it is an interesting question of if you have an old device, let's say you find an old computer or camera or something, and you want to see what's on it, but you don't have the cable, what are you going to do? Right.
Elise Hu (18:26):
You have to go to a yard sale.
Doree Shafrir (18:28):
Yeah.
Elise Hu (18:33):
This actually happened to me because I needed to charge my AirPods because I have first generation AirPods, and they're great. They're fine. Sure, they're not as noise canceling as the good ones or the new ones, but they work for my purposes. I just run with them, but I needed lightning for it and I just don't have that many lightning cables around anymore. So it was like, "Let's pop over to a yard sale after soccer." Boom. I love that. Everybody's always selling a box of those.
Doree Shafrir (19:00):
That's really funny. Okay. I'm going to play a voicemail before we take another break about sunscreen.
Elise Hu (19:09):
Okay.
Doree Shafrir (19:09):
And then after the break, we have some requests for product recommendations. Okay,
Elise Hu (19:15):
Great.
Listener Voicemail (19:16):
Hey, Doree and Elise, I'm calling in regarding the listener who had sunscreen questions, and you all had the chemist confessions on the podcast a couple years ago. It's two skincare chemists from L'Oreal. Every year they do a 30 for 30 sunscreen challenge where they test out 30 different sunscreens and they actually rate them, and then they put those scores on their website, Chemist Confessions sunscreen database. And the one that they recommend that gets nine out of 10 that I just bought, came all the way from Asia, of course, is the Bjor UV aqua rich watery essence, which is just a sunscreen. Anyway, take a look there. They rate them all from one to 10. Also, the Banana Boat Light is air sunscreen lotion, 9.5 out of 10. Shockingly, it's super cheap, and I buy it by the dozens and plaster it all over my children.
(20:16):
I'll text you the link to it. Okay.
Elise Hu (20:18):
Great. Awesome. And then we will link to what she recommended also.
Doree Shafrir (20:21):
Yeah. If you follow Chemist Confessions on Instagram, it's been really fun to watch their reels where they go through all the sunscreens because they put themselves under a UV light and you can see how the sunscreen is covering their faces, and I really like their analyses of all of the sunscreens. So definitely check out Chemist Confessions. Okay, we are going to take another short break and we'll be right back.
Elise Hu (20:51):
We'll be right back, and we'll talk about more recommendations for you.
Doree Shafrir (21:01):
All right, we are back, and this text says, "Hi, Elise and Doree. This one is probably for Elise. I'm going to Korea at the end of the month. What K beauty products would you recommend to pick up while I'm there? I love stocking up on cleansers, moisturizers, and sunscreen from Olive Young, but I'm open to any and all recommendations. Thanks."
Elise Hu (21:24):
Okay. Well, I've already talked about the Dalba brand sunscreens that you should stock up on at Olive Young, and I particularly like the Dalba sunscreen with vitamin C in it, but I do have a list now of recommendations for Olive Young because now there is one in Pasadena in Los Angeles. So on that list, a few things from there that I really like. One, the Dr. Althea Vitamin C Boosting Serum. Also, there's BioDance. They make a niacinamide that's really good and everybody seems to love. I don't use niacinamide, but this is one that people bring me, mule me a lot when people come from Korea. So that one's very popular. The Atude House, Atude House is another brand. They have a stick sunscreen that I like. I like Stick Sunscreen for the kids in particular, and I usually use that Baby Bum roller, but Stick Sunscreen also is in my purse.
(22:26):
So because Luna, who is the fairest of our children, has to reapply numerous times a day and doesn't carry sunscreen with her reliably. There's also a Dalba brand. This is the same brand that makes the sunscreen. They have a all-in-one multi-balm that you can use around your eyes, and it's really amazing, very soothing. It's a nice thing in your routine if you're just kind of winding down. I use it around my eyes and it feels really good. So that's the Dalba Double Serum all in one multi-balm. And we can link to these. The other thing is the beauty, and I wrote about her in Flawless, my book, Odell Monod, who is a soul-based beauty marketer. I think she works in the industry. She has long had something like a YouTube channel called the Monodist, M-O-N-O-D-I-S-T. She always has kind of the latest what's going on and looks into the formulations of retinoids and all those things.
(23:32):
And so you can always check out Monodist before you leave and see if there's anything hot. But my recommendation for Korean, if you're going to Korea, isn't necessarily to buy the products that you should because there's newer packaging and whatever's coming online next. And like I write about, Korea's so good at fast. The way they do fast fashion all around the world, they are able to do fast skincare and get new things on the shelves within a six week ideation to distribution time period. And so it's always cool to see what's new and what's next and what they're kind of pushing. But the other thing you should do while you're in Seoul, of course, is to get a facial and try various treatments. Yes, do some cool stuff. That's always really fun and it's usually much more affordable. So if you have time, then that's what I'd recommend.
(24:27):
Go to the spas, do some fun stuff there.
Doree Shafrir (24:29):
That sounds awesome. Yeah. I need you to lead a trip to Seoul, a beauty trip to Seoul.
Elise Hu (24:35):
It's so funny you mentioned that because I went to see a movie the other night and there was this film critic and he leads trips to film festivals and it's just because he is an expert in film, and so all these people go on a trip with him to film festivals. I'm like, "Oh, you could do that, huh?"
Doree Shafrir (24:51):
Yeah.
Elise Hu (24:53):
Clearly, I'm really behind on thinking about monetization and just fun things.
Doree Shafrir (24:59):
I mean, if only one person signs up for the trip and that person is me, then.
Elise Hu (25:03):
Yeah, then it's you and me.
Doree Shafrir (25:04):
Yeah. Who cares? And then our last text just says, "Hi, do you have a retinol you recommend?"
Elise Hu (25:13):
I think you do, right? Dora, you have recommended one when this question has come up. Do you not have one that you like?
Doree Shafrir (25:19):
I don't use one anymore because I'm in the sun too much, and I feel like I have to be really careful with using retinols and AHAs, especially in the summer. In the winter, it's okay because the UV is not as high, but in the summer I am off any sort of retinol or AHA.
Elise Hu (25:39):
I don't use it either, and I think one of the keys with understanding retinol products is that they are unstable, right? So the formulation really matters. Listeners, call in. Which ones do you swear by? And then Doree, is there one that you use during the winter that you like?
Doree Shafrir (25:57):
Well, my sense is that if you're going to use a retinol, you might as well just use tretinoin.That's kind of the gold standard, and I think the expensive - Over the counter. Over the counter skin formulations just have stuff added to it that just make it expensive. And so I would just start with a low dose of tretinoin, honestly. That would be my advice. That woman
Elise Hu (26:21):
That I mentioned earlier too, Odell Minode, she also goes deep into Korean retinols. So if you're interested in those, check out her video. She has one that goes into which ones. Their various formulations and which ones, even if they're coming from the same manufacturer, which ones are better than the others. And so if you're into that and want to get a little bit more educated, I'd recommend them a noticed for it. We'll link.
Doree Shafrir (26:46):
All right. Thank you everyone for your questions and comments, et cetera. Please again, please send them in 781-591-0390. You can text or call that number and email us at forever35podcast@gmail.com. And we are going to enter the intention zone now. I've been loving. Samee's been putting the sound effect on. Yeah.
Elise Hu (27:14):
I'm
Doree Shafrir (27:14):
Really enjoying it. Okay. So last week I said I was going to get going on my closet clean out. I have not done that. You know what? I am a little overwhelmed, I'm going to be honest,
(27:25):
Partly because some of the stuff in the closet I think can just be donated, but the other stuff I do feel like I want to sell and it is really easy to post on Depop, but I think I start feeling overwhelmed by it. So I think I need to just start, post a few things and then see how that goes and get going. But this week, and I think I mentioned this on a casual chat, I've been pretty head down about my book and getting the word count, so I'm going to try and hit my word count every day. That's my goal.
Elise Hu (28:03):
Yeah. Great. So there's a daily word count and not a weekly one.
Doree Shafrir (28:08):
It's a daily. You
Elise Hu (28:09):
Have to be really accountable. Oh my
Doree Shafrir (28:11):
Gosh. Yeah, but you know what? I think it's better for me to be accountable daily than weekly. I think weekly is too abstract almost. I like the daily nature of it I think is helpful.
Elise Hu (28:25):
Yeah. Well, last week it was just sort of about getting back into things. So my intention this week is actually to give myself some structure around getting back into a routine. I think we're not too far. I know we're not too far away from school starting again, and the children need structure from me as a parent, just so they know their expectations and don't feel chaotic. And so just as the kids do, I need some as well in terms of like, "Hey, I need to go back to a certain number of units of exercise per week, and I need to make sure that I go and walk Oscar regularly." All those things that I did not do for an entire week. So I'm just kind of getting back into it and I need to just establish some routine. So I'll be working on that for the week ahead.
Doree Shafrir (29:21):
Okay, sounds good.
Elise Hu (29:22):
And it is that time in the month where we thank our Patreon members at the hotel spa and hotel suite levels. So I will go through the names here. Thank you so much to LM, Alvin, Ariel C, Laura Chaconi, Sarah Liska, FR, Justice Bureau, Jasmine DeJesus, Christie, Caitlin H. Katie, Ashley Taylor, Teresa Anderson, Nicole Gass, Maya, Barbara C, Amy, Amy Schnitzer, Megan, Shelly Lee, Cookie Townsend, Sarah Boozy, Allison Cohen. Melissa McLean, Jackie Leventhal, Fran, Kelsey Wolf Denay, Laura Eddy, Valerie Bruno, Julie Daniel, Katie Quatrone, E. Jackson, Alicia, Katherine Burke, Amy Maseco, Liz Rain, JDK, Hannah M. Julia P. Alice, Maddie, Marissa, Sarah Bell, Maria, Diana, ST, Laura Hadden, Josie H, Nikki Bosser, Juliana Duff, Chelsea Torres, Olivia Fahey, Elizabeth A, Christine Bassis, Jessica Gale, Zulima Lundy, Carolyn Rodriguez, Carrie Golds, Anne T, Catherine Ellingson, Kara Brugman, Sarah H, Sarah Egan, Jess Combin, Jennifer Olson, Jennifer H.
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S. Jillian Bowman, Elizabeth Holland, Katie Jordan, Sarah M. Bianca, Kate M, Josie Alquist, Tara Todd, Elizabeth Cleary and Monica. I know a lot of those names on the list have been long time supporters. You have been Patreon supporters for many years now. And during this time when our attentions are so divided and our subscription fatigue is setting in, I certainly feel it when it comes to my Substacks, for example. It means even more to us that you have stuck with us and welcome in to some of the new members too. Thanks so much.
Doree Shafrir (31:23):
Thank you so much. Forever 35 is hosted and produced by me, Doree Shafrir and Elise Hu and produced and edited by Samee Junio. Sami Reed is our project manager and our network partner is Acast. Thanks everybody. Talk to you
Elise Hu (31:36):
Next time.
Doree Shafrir (31:37):
Bye.