Kate and Doree jump right into questions and talk about a listener who feels behind in life at 30 and wants a career change. Then, they discuss some steps to take when depression hits and your typical self-care isn’t cutting it and get a listener recommendation for cozy mystery reads. Lastly, the women ponder a very intricate thought experiment that involves a plane flying Idris Elba, must-have make up, and being rescued by Michelle Obama and Oprah.

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Doree and Kate talk to Jasmine Guillory — author of the wonderful novel The Wedding Date, writer of a TinyLetter with great recipes, and taker of a nightly bath — all about her bath routine. Before they speak to their guest, Doree and Kate talk about some of their own rituals: Kate goes through her entire nighttime skincare routine, and Doree talks about her self-care weekend. Click on "Read More" for a full episode rundown, plus a list of the products mentioned on this episode!