Product Recall: Pond's Cold Cream

Pond’s Cold Cream started as a cure-all for all sorts of ailments but is today a legacy moisturizing makeup remover still beloved by many despite their questionable historic formulations and strange vintage ads. This week, Kate dips a toe into that pond of cold creams, makeup removers, and double cleansing with Doree (and our old friend Chesebrough along for the ride!)

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Kate: Hello and welcome to Forever35, a podcast about the things we do to take care of ourselves. I am Kate Spencer. 

Doree: And I am Doree Shafrir. 

Kate: And this is Product Recall. 

Doree: Wait. You forgot. 

Kate: Oh my God. The most important part of our show. 

Doree: Oh my God, Kate. 

Kate: And we are not experts. 

Doree: No. We're two friends who like to talk a lot about serums. 

Kate: Wow. I just got ahead of myself. 

Doree: Yeah, 

Kate: I think I'm just excited to talk. 

Doree: I mean, look, I get it because you are talking about a great product today. 

Kate: I'm talking about a product that researching this product made me want. I almost placed an order for it. Okay, so listen folks, welcome to Product Recall. This is a weekly episode we've been doing where we dig deeper into the history of an iconic product and its impact. We're doing it every Friday right now here on Forever35. Yes. We take your requests, and I believe this one was written in a few times, 

Doree: Several times. Yes. 

Kate: So before we get to Pons Cold Cream friendly reminder that you can reach us at voicemail and text (781) 591-0390. You can email us at Forever35podcast@gmail.com. You can visit our website Forever35podcast.com for links to everything we mentioned on the show. That's also where you'll find links to videos, our resources for product recall episodes, all that good stuff. Our Instagram is @Forever35podcast. We're on Facebook groups where the password is serums. You can send up for a newsletter forever35.com/newsletter, and you can find our favorite products and shop them all at Shopmy.us/Forever35. And perhaps most exciting of all, we're having a live show. And this live show isn't just a Forever35 live show. No, this is a Forever35 birthday celebration. In fact, dare I say, a forever 45 birthday celebration. 

Doree: Oh, boy. 

Kate: That's what we've got to call the live show, because it's going to be for Doree's birthday, 

Doree: But it's not my 45th birthday. 

Kate: What is it? 44th? 

Doree: 46. 

Kate: 46. You're 45 now? 

Doree: Yes. 

Kate: In my brain. I'm two years younger than you, so I'm 43. You're 45. Okay. So you're turning 46. I'm turning 44. 

Doree: Yeah. 

Kate: Forever 46 has a nice ring to it. We'll be celebrating Doree's birthday live with a live show on Wednesday, May 17th at 5:30 PM Pacific. 8:30 PM Eastern tickets are $15. The show will be available on demand for a week after it airs. So if you can't make it live, you can watch the replay 

Doree: For Yeah. Yeah. So don't feel like you have to be available. 

Kate: No. But if you are, it is very fun to jump into that chat. The chat was roaring last time. 

Doree: The chat was really fun. 

Kate: We had a blast doing our first live show in February. We are very excited to come up with some new fun things for this one. 

Doree: We're going to have some special guests. 

Kate: Oh my God. We'll be there. Be toasting Doree. 

Doree: I can't wait. 

Kate: We gotta do to do some sort of Doree trivia game. 

Doree: Oh God. 

Kate: No. That's not, doesn't sound fun to you. 

Doree: I mean, not really, but I also feel like this, this is on me because I was like, we should do it for my Birthday. So, 

Kate: Oh my gosh. And Tori, do you know what we should tell the good people who are listening? 

Doree: What? 

Kate: That we are playing together in the Deep Dive podcast. 

Doree: Oh my God. 

Kate: Pickleball tournament. 

Doree: The Deep Dive Bitch sesh. I'd hit that Pickleball Tournament. I mean, look, I never thought I would pick up a picketball 

Kate: pickle ball, 

Doree: A pickleball paddle. 

Kate: Pickleball paddle. Say that three times. 

Doree: Yeah. But Kate has convinced me to play in this tournament, had my first pickleball lesson today. 

Kate: You did? Okay. Doree did so well. Like a natural. I was there and you were so good. I was honestly almost, dare I say intimidated. 

Doree: What? No, 

Kate: You were so good. 

Doree: I was not. 

Kate: I don't, don't know. I think you need to lean into the fact that you're like a natural, 

Doree: Well, the first game, I didn't know what I was doing, 

Kate: But that's okay. 

Doree: But then I actually hit the ball a few times. 

Kate: Oh, you nailed it. So listen, if you want to come, it's Saturday, May 13th here in Los Angeles, California. You can buy tickets. We will link to the Eventbrite link. And if you use Code Kate slash Doree, you get 15% off tickets. And we are going to be playing. 

Doree: We are going to be playing 

Kate: Together in the tournament. 

Doree: Yes. We're going to be on a team together. 

Kate: I mean, wow. Who knows how that'll go. Okay. Should we talk about Ponds Cold Cream? 

Doree: I would love that. 

Kate: Okay. So Doree, I always love to start just by asking, what do you know about Pond'S Cold Cream? 

Doree: I never used it. 

Kate: Did you have anybody in your family who used it? This feels like a grandparent product. 

Doree: It's possible. My grandmother used it. I don't, don't actually know. I always thought of it as a makeup remover. You would slather it on and then rinse it off and it would take off your makeup. 

Kate: That's exactly right. 

Doree: Okay. 

Kate: I think what's interesting to me about Ponds Cold Cream is the idea of double cleansing or using a makeup remover first. For me, it feels like I just learned to do this. 

Doree: Yes. 

Kate: Approximately five years ago. 

Doree: Yes. 

Kate: When people have actually been doing for a century, and it's all thanks to a man named Theran t Pond. 

Doree: Okay. I see where they got the name from. 

Kate: I know. Didn't, it's not a big leap, is it? 

Doree: But why? And maybe you'll get to this. 

Kate: Yeah. 

Doree: But why cold cream? 

Kate: Okay. All right. So here's whats fascinating. So Theron T Pond, like so many of these founders 

Doree: Yes. 

Kate: Of these companies, 

Doree: yes. 

Kate: Was a pharmacist. 

Doree: They really are the girl bosses of their era. 

Kate: Oh my God, yes. 

Doree: Big girl boss energy, 

Kate: They do have big girl boss energy, white male pharmacists of the mid to late 18 hundreds. 

Doree: Yes. 

Kate: Were the girl bosses of the world. 

Doree: Yes. 

Kate: Oh my God. That's the perfect correlation. 

Doree: Thank you. 

Kate: Except I don't feel like it all came crashing down for them. 

Doree: No, it didn't. Because they're men. 

Kate: They're still going strong. 

Doree: Yeah. 

Kate: I mean, Theron's obviously Long dead. 

Doree: Right. 

Kate: But Pond lives on, 

Doree: pond lives on, 

Kate: so he's a pharmacist. He's in Utica, New York. Okay. One of those upstate places I know the name of, but couldn't find on a map. 

Doree: Same. No. No offense to anyone who lives there. 

Kate: I know. No disrespect to Utica, which I think might be near Syracuse. 

Doree: Yeah. Sounds right. 

Kate: New York is a very. It's a large state. 

Doree: Yeah. And everything above Westchester, I get a little 

Kate: That's fair. 

Doree: A little muddled. 

Kate: That's fair. I mean, I've never been through all of California. Look, I'm very basic. Okay. But we're in Utica and Theron or Terrin, I'm not, Terran. I mean, this is kind of a sexy name. Honestly. He sound sounds like a bachelor contestant. Okay. So he partners with this guy whose business partner, whose name is Dr. Watson. 

Doree: Stop. 

Kate: I cannot stop. I cannot stop. 

Doree: Okay. Okay. 

Kate: And pons cold cream is not their original product. Oh. So they come up with a product that they call Golden Treasure. 

Doree: Okay. Sounds sexy. 

Kate: It sounds sexy. It's not. It's essentially a witch hazel concoction. 

Doree: Okay. And what problem are they trying to solve here? 

Kate: Okay. Here's hilarious to me about golden treasure, which essentially then becomes called ponds extract. 

Doree: Okay. 

Kate: They claim this concoction will cure sore throat. I'm reading from an actual ad, which I will link to ponds extract, will cure, sore throat, lameness, influenza wounds, piles, earache, chill, blains sore eyes, inflammations, hoarseness, frost bites, soreness, Qatar, I don't know what that is. Burns, bruises, sore feet, face ache, hemorrhages. 

Doree: So everything. 

Kate: So they basically claim it cures everything. 

Doree: And it's something that you ingest 

Kate: Unclear to me. 

Doree: Okay. 

Kate: Because basically by this is launches in the mid to late 18 hundreds. Okay. 1849. Looks like they're gathering Ponds, putting together his company. All right. Okay. To sell this golden treasure, which they now call pawns extract. And essentially the claims are disputed. 

Doree: Suffice to say. 

Kate: Witch Hazel is actually a really powerful astringent. 

Doree: Yes. But it does not cure all of these things. 

Kate: No. Influenza lameness. No. But it's kind of one of those, I find it so interesting that the focus of the time was creating these catchall products. Rarely were these pharmacists turned hawkers of prods just being like, this does one thing and does one thing well 

Doree: I'm trying to think about that. I feel like there were some people who did say that, but I agree that the emphasis did seem to be on finding these elixirs. 

Kate: Yes. 

Doree: These multi-use elixirs. 

Kate: So they keep selling it. And it's interesting. If you look at the transformation of ads into the early 19 hundreds, they basically use it as an aftershave. That's how it's marketed. Or for bug bites, sprains, stings. So it kind of narrows down. And around this time, they also begin branching out into other products. Now, Theran Pond dies in 1902, but he still, 

Doree: Here's a question. 

Kate: Yes. 

Doree: Sorry to interrupt. 

Kate: Nope, that's okay. 

Doree: Does he patent this? 

Kate: I don't know. 

Doree: Okay. 

Kate: But they, around this time also launch Ponds Cold Cream. It launches right at the turn of the century, basically. 

Doree: Okay. So when he's still alive. 

Kate: When he's still alive, and they have started releasing other products, this is also kind of when the soap boom comes into play. 

Doree: Oh, sure. 

Kate: And I think it also times up with the Civil War and treating wounds. I think all these in hygiene. 

Doree: The Civil War was 1860s. 

Kate: Yes. But Ponds started in 1849, 46. So all these things, I think there's kind of this perfect storm happening in America. This is me, Kate Spencer, hypothesizing, keep in mind, I'm not a historian. 

Doree: Nope. 

Kate: I majored in Women in Gender Studies, and I graduated from college in 2001. Fair. So I have, I'm talking slightly out of my ass, but I feel like my ass is kind of smart right now. 

Doree: You do have a smart ass. 

Kate: I am. And I am a smart ass. 

Doree: Yeah. 

Kate: So before he dies, Ponds Cold Cream is launched, and that becomes their big product. So they had other stuff. They made something called Ponds Face powder, which he put on after applying ponds vanishing cream. It's for sensitive skin. 

Doree: Wow. 

Kate: Okay. Yeah. So people were essentially putting ponds Tal, I believe it was like they have a talcum powder, but I believe the face powder is similar. It gives skin a wonderfully smooth, velvety appearance. That sounds like makeup, essentially. They also had toothpaste. They had soap. But the cold cream is when shit really gets real. 

Doree: Well, Kate, should we take a break and then we'll hear about how shit gets real with the cold cream? Because I can't wait. 

Kate: Deal. Deal. Okay. So hilariously, they're still kind of pushing, like Ponds Extract was the witch Hazel product. Their first creams that they come out with, I believe they use the name, they have a Ponds Cold cream, which is an oil cream for cleansing and lubricating. But then they also have a vanishing cream, which has no oil, and that is for skin softening. And then they also make ponds extract. These all still have the name pondss extract for a while. Paws extract cold 

Doree: Cream. Interesting. Okay. 

Kate: So the cold cream, let me just tootaloo over my document. Cause I can give you the full ingredient list. Okay. So here are the ingredients now. And I believe when they started, I think it's changed over time. But the main thing is that it's mineral oil and beeswax, which if you've ever scooped up a handful of ponds, cold cream, it's goopy. It's a thick cream. So it's got mineral oil, beeswax seed, alcohol, water, sodium, borate, stabilizes and fragrance. Okay. Now, I believe there is an unscented Ponds cold cream, but the one time I have purchased ponds, it had a very powdery fragrance that made me, I couldn't handle it, quite frankly. 

Doree: Oh, interesting. 

Kate: Yeah. And what What's interesting is that I wasn't able to find a ton of information, I was trying to find out how much it cost when it was released, and I was able to, I found this quote, according to some vintage advertisements, the cost of a Jar Ponds cold cream are in the earliest 20th century, was around 50 cents, which would've made it a luxury product. So now Ponds is a, it's available in a drugstore. I think it's probably comes in at around $10. I did all this reading about it, and then I didn't Google what it costs right now. I think when I bought it, it was like eight bucks at a Target. I'll look it up. Okay. Doree's looking it up. But it's fascinating to me that when it first was released, it was a luxury skincare product. It was the Laer. 

Doree: Yeah. That's really interesting. 

Kate: Of its time, 

Doree: Kate. It is 7 99. 

Kate: Oh, wow. On the nose, because I thought it cost $8 when I bought it. 

Doree: So this is interesting. Now you can get a pons, cold cream makeup remover, deep cleanser, but you can also get pond's dry skin cream facial moisturizer. 

Kate: I think that's what I bought. 

Doree: Oh, okay. 

Kate: I think I went to the store trying to buy what I thought was Ponds Cold Cream. And I think I ended up with their moisturizer. 

Doree: A moisturizer. 

Kate: Moisturizer. And one of the things that I think is really interesting about Ponds is that the way it was kind of marketed is that you would put it on your face and leave it on. And I 

Doree: Like a mask? 

Kate: Like a mask. And I can remember, I've watched Five Mad Men episodes Total. Couldn't get into the show. 

Doree: Okay, fair. 

Kate: But whoever plays John Ham's wife, January, whatever, 

Doree: January Jones. Yeah. 

Kate: Yep. Whatever that character's name is. 

Doree: Betty. 

Kate: Thank you. I can remember in the episodes I watched at night, she's walking around with a face covered in cold cream. So it becomes the makeup remover of its time. Now, interestingly enough, ponds did have a scandal in the 1930s with that vanishing cream that I told you about. I guess it contained a very harmful chemical 

Doree: Oh dear. 

Kate: Called Thermosil. So that did not go well for them. But the cold cream, despite the scandal that was going on on the side, 

Doree: right. 

Kate: Cold cream still going strong. They were able 

Doree: To be like, Ugh, just look over here. 

Kate: Yeah. Literally let the vanishing cream vanish and focus on the cold cream. So the way it starts to be marketed is that it's going to remove dirt, remove makeup, and leave skin soft. Which I feel like is every product that we've talked about. 

Doree: Yes. 

Kate: That was created over a hundred years ago. 

Doree: Totally. 

Kate: I've now talked about Vaseline, I've now talked about Noxzema. It's all the same shit. 

Doree: I see. Especially with Noxzema. I see a lot of parallels. 

Kate: There is a lot of parallel. I do feel like if Pons Cold Cream had a witch hazel scent, it would essentially just be Noxzema. 

Doree: Interesting. But they never did the thing that Noxzema did where they marketed it for being good for sunburns or anything like that. 

Kate: No, they really, early on looking at ads from the 1920s, it's all about clean complexion, soft skin. It moisturizes. It cleanses you put it on, and then you wipe it off. Now, speaking of Vaseline, ponds gets sold or acquired by the chesebrough company. You might remember Cheese, Robert Chesebrough, 

Doree: Oh my Gosh, Cheese, bro. 

Kate: All these, it's a real old boys club. 

Doree: Seriously. 

Kate: All these pharmacists in upstate New York, 

Doree: remember how we heard from a descendant of Chesebrough? 

Kate: Yes. Chesebrough literally had his finger, his Vaseline covered finger. I know, sorry. So they were Ponds, cold cream was acquired. The company and the brand were acquired by the chesebrough manufacturing company in the 19 hundreds. 

Doree: Wow. They were like, we need to corner this market. 

Kate: They were like, give us all the thick occlusive lotions. I just was like, are you kidding me? This chesebrough, guy is back. 

Doree: He's back baby 

Kate: Chesebrough is 

Doree: We can't escape Chesebrough. 

Kate: No, we cannot. We are trust. 

Doree: But that is funny that some of these characters show up in other 

Kate: Other Histories. 

Doree: Other histories. That's what I mean. It's like the cosmetic, it's like, it's the beauty multiverse. 

Kate: Wow. 

Doree: I went there. 

Kate: I feel like my children who are big Marvel fans would appreciate that. 

Doree: Thank you. 

Kate: So that happens in the 19 hundreds, just to give you a sense of what kind of company pondss is. And 2020. Now they're now owned by Unilever. 

Doree: Of course 

Kate: I know who's not. I didn't want to share this, but I'm owned by Unilever. 

Doree: Well, I'm owned by Proctor and Gamble. So this is going to be awkward. It's weird. 

Kate: So their revenue of paws, oops, sorry. Let's see, there's their revenue, their revenue of ponds in 2020, 5.5 billion. 

Doree: Oh my gosh. 

Kate: Yeah. It's a global brand. 

Doree: I was going to say, I have the impression, and I don't know where this impression is from, but in my head, ponds is very popular overseas. 

Kate: I don't know, I just know when I was looking on YouTube at commercials, a lot of it was international. 

Doree: Fascinating. 

Kate: So I think this is the kind of product that you can, and there are also, like ponds has expanded. There's other, Other iterations of Ponds cold cream might not be the same. What you get in America as what you might get in Japan, I don't know. But basically it's still doing well. 

Doree: Wow. 

Kate: And this is what I find so fascinating, because in my brain I'm like, who ponds? Yeah. Who's buying ponds when we're all buying the ordinary? Or who's buying this when there's all these new skincare brands for me to buy? The truth is, the shit is still popular. So let's take another break. And then I just want to highlight my favorite Ponds ads. 

Doree: Great. 

Kate: Because they had a real moment in the sixties that, Ooh, baby. Okay. So Doree 

Doree: Kate, 

Kate: I found a bunch of ads from the 1960s that are all marketing what pawns calls their seven, seven day beauty plan, which is that the way the seven day beauty plan works is for seven days you cleanse with ponds. 

Doree: Okay. 

Kate: And then you use it again. 

Doree: What do you mean? 

Kate: Okay, let me play an ad and, 

Doree: okay, 

Kate: this person will describe it for us. 

Doree: Okay. 

Kate: I want to note all these ads feature a woman who feels like no man will ever notice her. And then thanks to Ponds, she's noticed by men. That's the most important thing to know about these. 

Doree: Okay. 

Commercial: Good morning, Mr. Good morning, Ms. Burns. Isn't he ever going say anything except Good morning, Ms. Burns. What's wrong with me? My skin's so drab. Then I tried Ponds seven day beauty plan each night. I creamed my face twice with pondss, cold cream first to get off all my makeup pond's, special makeup to solvers, cream wave and eye makeup without stinging next. And here's the secret. I creamed again to clean out hidden dirt and cream in softness. Now my skin feels so soft and smooth. Pond seven day beauty plan freely works. Good morning, Ms. Burns. Lovely day. Yes, it's a lovely day. In just seven days, your skin can be smoother. And lovelier too, with ponds cold cream. 

Doree: Okay, so wait, they were saying to just double cleanse, 

Kate: you just double cream, 

Doree: but you wash off the second one 

Kate: both times. Right. 

Doree: Okay. 

Kate: And I actually don't know if you're washing the ponds off with water or if you're just wiping it off. It's under, I feel like what I've always understood with ponds is that you're wiping it off with a tissue. 

Doree: It looked like she had a washcloth. 

Kate: Okay. But you're right. I could be right. 

Doree: It's not clear whether it was a wet washcloth. 

Kate: Well, and because you cream again, right? Which, 

Doree: Ooh, I know. 

Kate: So she creams, sorry, 

Doree: Just keep saying creams. Okay. 

Kate: Well, so it's so funny to me because she goes then the secret, you won't believe it. And then you just use more of the product. But also she creams and then she's like, and it creams in moisture. You can't cream in 

Doree: no. 

Kate: Cream is not a verb. 

Doree: It doesn't make any sense. 

Kate: No. This is just a way for them. The marketing team was like, let's come up with this. 

Doree: Also. We'll get people to use it more twice as fast. 

Kate: Right. You're using more ponds. Yes. So there are a ton of ads like this. And there, this one looks like it was from the fifties, but then there's some from the sixties and there're so weird. I can play one more just to experience. 

Doree: I'd love that. 

Kate: I feel like sometimes the advertising for these things feels like sophisticated. This just feels fucking bizarre. There's, okay, there's one, I'll play this weird superhero one. 

Commercial: I've been screaming my face twice every day for seven days with ponds and not a thing that's happened. Wow. Ponds seven day beauty plan really works. What? Read the back label. 

Kate: So on that one, 

Doree: what? 

Kate: They're on a cruise ship. She's upset because nothing happened after seven days. And then a superhero flies on and kidnaps her. And that's, 

Doree: and they go, they leave the ship in a dinghy. 

Kate: He was a really shitty superhero. He can't fly very far. 

Doree: No. 

Kate: And so there's another one that's like this, that's like, Ooh, I'm going to get Mervin to marry me. And then the guy won't marry her. And then she does the pond seven day twice a day cream. And this very kind of creepy looking man then proposes to her. 

Doree: Yikes. 

Kate: It's one of the weirdest ad campaigns. I've seen vintage ad campaigns from all of these product recalls we've done so far. I was just like, it's also, it's not talking about it's, it's nothing. But I got a man totally in that last in, at least in the first one, she's like, my skin's dred. Now it's not. But this last one, she'd been doing it for seven days and nothing had happened. So it's like, 

Doree: but then on the seventh day, 

Kate: it's literally, isn't that the story of God creating water? 

Doree: It's so weird, 

Kate: isn't it? Seven days at the beginning of the Bible. 

Doree: He creates the world in seven days. 

Kate: That's what it is. He creates the world. So basically ponds is like, I can do that for your face to end. I wanted to play a YouTube, which is, I believe it's a YouTube of a TikTok with a dermatologist reacting. And this derm is clearly, the derm is just doing facial reactions. But it's a young woman talking about why she's using paws. And I thought this was really interesting. Cause I feel like Ponds has not kind of had its TikTok moment the way black honey has at some point, gen Z is going to all be like ponds. We love it now. But here's one person who is treading, trying to lead the way on this 

Commercial: Lady. If y'all want to live forever and not have wrinkles, there is this product. Sure. You've heard of it. Is Ponds cold Cream? Let me tell you, my mom is 65 years old. She's up there, and she was a model when she was younger. But no matter what, this woman will put this all over her face every night. It's like the earliest memory I have of my mother. And she does not look a day over 40. I'm serious. She looks amazing. Barely in wrinkles, anything. So now I put this on my face for an hour every night, and then it takes literally every stitch of my makeup off and my skin is smooth and tight. So boom, go get yourself some. 

Doree: Wow. 

Kate: Now I have a problem where I watch that and I immediately was like, I'm want to buy some ponds. I feel like, ladies, if you, sorry. I feel like Hyrum would not ponds. I didn't search for a Hyrum on paws. Let's see. Because he hates fragrance. Well, and he also would not, I feel like he would not like that mineral oil Hyrum. I don't see any hirum on ponds. Okay. I don't see it. 

Doree: He was, I mean, he's been busy demonizing St Iron Apricot scrub. 

Kate: That's right. He hated it. But he also has his own skin care line, right? 

Doree: He does. Yeah. 

Kate: Yeah. I mean, Hyrum is doing great. 

Doree: He's busy. 

Kate: But yeah, I get the feeling he wouldnt like ponds, but the way that person sells it, which is yes, if you want to live forever 

Doree: Yes. 

Kate: And have no wrinkles. 

Doree: Yes. 

Kate: It's like, I'll take the live forever part of that, I mean, and the wrinkles fine, but I also feel like I have an aunt who uses Vaseline's as moisturizer and has her whole life. That's what she puts on her face. And she's beautiful. But I just feel like everybody always has somebody in their life who's like, I use this one product. 

Doree: Totally. 

Kate: And I don't, I look 23 years old. 

Doree: Yes. 

Kate: Is it the product or is it genetics woman whose mom was a fucking model. 

Doree: Right, 

Kate: right. It's genetics. 

Doree: I know. 

Kate: So yeah, in conclusion, I do want to go out and get some ponds cold cream. 

Doree: I think you should. 

Kate: I was kind of thinking about it and I was like, why don't I just buy this to get my makeup off. It's a hundred something years old. 120 something years old. 

Doree: Yeah. 

Kate: So Dori, that's Ponds Cold Cream. 

Doree: I'm wondering, does it come in an unscented version? 

Kate: I believe it does. Hold on. Ponds Cold Cream unscented. 

Doree: Oh Fragrance free. 

Kate: Yeah. I believe it does. 

Doree: See, that appeals to me now. Available in a fragrance free formula. 

Kate: Yeah. Fragrance free cold cream cleanser. 

Doree: This is interesting, just the way they pitch it. Unlike ordinary makeup removers, ponds, fragrance free cold cream is 50% moisturizer. Okay. 

Kate: It's not like it's, there's no way it's any different from anything else. 

Doree: I Know. Well, Kate, thank you for taking me on this journey. This was really fun. 

Kate: You're so welcome. If anyone out there is a Ponds cold Cream Die Hard. I would love to know. 

Doree: Yeah, me too. 

Kate: Bye. 

Doree: Bye. 

 
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