Mini-Ep 459: No Shame In The Mom Jean Game
Doree and Elise share their co-working space suggestions, soft jean recs that aren’t mom jeans, and the SUPER truth about the experience of laser hair removal with listeners. Plus, a microjoy that will bring you a smile.
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Doree Shafrir (00:10):
Hello and welcome to Forever35, a podcast about the things we do to take care of ourselves. I'm Doree Shafrir.
Elise Hu (00:19):
And I'm Elise Hu. And we're just two friends who like to talk a lot about serums,
Doree Shafrir (00:25):
And this is a mini episode where we hear from you, we share your comments and your thoughts, and we answer your questions to the best of our ability. But please remember, we are podcast hosts. We are not experts, and we do always encourage you to seek support first and foremost, from a medical and or mental health professional as needed.
Elise Hu (00:45):
Yes. Yes.
Doree Shafrir (00:47):
Elise, do you want to talk about your latest drama with good old ossy?
Elise Hu (00:54):
I mean, this is not going to surprise any of our longtime listeners or our listeners of the last six
Doree Shafrir (00:59):
Months I was going to say, or our short time listeners.
Elise Hu (01:02):
Right, exactly. Because there's really never a dull moment in Oscar's life in the family. But yeah, I was late to the taping because Oscar had somehow found one of our daughter's hair brushes and it was in like a million little plastic shards out on the back deck, and I got the big parts out of his mouth, but I don't know if there's little baby plastic shards that are now going to cut up his stomach. Who knows who can say, but I am feeling hopeful because nothing large enough to block his intestine got into his belly, and that is what has required surgery in the past. Yeah, yeah, there's that. Anyway, what's going on with you? All of us want to know how your post microneedling is now that it's been a few more days? Yes,
Doree Shafrir (01:56):
I would say I am barely red.
Elise Hu (01:59):
You don't look red.
Doree Shafrir (02:00):
Yeah. My skin does feel like dry and a little bit tight, and I'm supposed to not pick at it or peel it, which is very hard for me. But I'm being good. I'm also really trying not to touch my face, which is also really hard. I don't, it's hard for all of us.
Elise Hu (02:23):
Yeah,
Doree Shafrir (02:23):
Yeah. You don't realize how much you just sort of absent mindedly touch your face. You touch your face all the time. So that is also a challenge. Yesterday I barely left the house because it was day one after the microneedling and I didn't want to be in the sun at all. And this morning I did venture out. I took both for a nice walk, but it was cloudy and I put on a big hat.
Elise Hu (02:50):
Okay, gotcha.
Doree Shafrir (02:51):
Gotcha. So I am curious to see what happens when I feel a little bit more healed when my skin doesn't feel so tight and dry. They gave me very gentle moisturizer to put on and I've been putting that on and that does help. But yeah, I'm curious to see what the supposed full results are and I will keep everyone posted. But so far I will say the aftermath has not been as intense as I was anticipating. I thought it was going to be sort of like a chemical peel
Elise Hu (03:32):
Vibe. Oh, I've never done that.
Doree Shafrir (03:34):
Yeah. I've seen people after they got chemical peels and their faces are raw and red. This is
Elise Hu (03:39):
Not also vampire facial is not a good look. Vapi, the post vampire facial looks like you just got hit by a car.
Doree Shafrir (03:47):
Now you can do microneedling with PRP, which is basically a vampire facial. I did not do that. I just did straight up microneedling. There's also, I've been, it's funny, as soon as I did microneedling, suddenly the microneedling subreddit showed up for me, and there are people there that say, if you don't go deep on the microneedling, if you don't go deep enough that you're actually drawing blood, then it doesn't do anything. I'm like, is that true? I don't know. I'll report back.
Elise Hu (04:24):
Going
Doree Shafrir (04:24):
So deep that it draws blood seems dangerous. But
Elise Hu (04:28):
Yeah, mine was pretty rough, but it was only for the first day I want to say, and then the results showed up really quickly. I don't feel like I looked better maybe a week or a week and a half out, but again, it's been like four years, so who knows? I feel like there's always improvements in these things and different places do different things.
Doree Shafrir (04:51):
Totally.
Elise Hu (04:53):
Yeah. But you look good now. I mean, you don't look like you just went through a cosmetic procedure. My friend drew with his vampire facials, every once in a while he shows up at school in a bucket hat, in a giant face mask because oh my God, he does look like he just got hit by a car or something. His face is just like, it's all bright red. It looks like the worst sunburn that you could have ever possibly gotten.
Doree Shafrir (05:17):
That's what I looked like right afterwards. I felt like
Elise Hu (05:20):
That was a quick process then.
Doree Shafrir (05:22):
Yeah, I don't know. So we'll see how that goes. And like I said, I'll keep everyone posted. The other thing that I do just want to update everyone on as we're on the topic of treatments is I have been seeing actual hair
Elise Hu (05:42):
Growth. Oh, good.
Doree Shafrir (05:44):
It's really, I'm trying to see if you can see it. So do you see this strand of hair that I just pulled out?
Elise Hu (05:52):
Yes. Yes.
Doree Shafrir (05:54):
I think now this is actual new hair growth because it's like the length of hair that would've started when I started doing the minoxidil.
Elise Hu (06:04):
Exactly. And Dorie's describing kind of the front
Doree Shafrir (06:07):
Part
Elise Hu (06:07):
Of her head, so exactly where baby hairs always show up, so that would make sense.
Doree Shafrir (06:12):
And I'm seeing some also along my part, so this is exciting for me.
Elise Hu (06:18):
Yeah, that's great. So the Minoxidil works, the $3, the three a
Doree Shafrir (06:24):
Month Oxid, the three
Elise Hu (06:25):
Per unit. Yes.
Doree Shafrir (06:27):
Minoxidil, as I've mentioned before, I think it's not like a quick fix. It does take months to see
Doree Shafrir (06:37):
The
Doree Shafrir (06:38):
Regrowth, so it's something that I'm seeing now that you have to be patient with. But yeah, endorse, I'll put it that way.
Elise Hu (06:51):
I want to mention before we get into the voicemails and emails that we had a question just in the general chat in the Patreon about the Jane Club, which I've been meaning to ask you about. Were you ever a member of the Jane Club?
Doree Shafrir (07:06):
I was a member of the Jane Club.
Elise Hu (07:08):
Okay. Yeah, so our Patreon supporter wants to know if there's anything that's similar to the Jane Club because the Jane Club, which was a coworking space for women, also had events and built community and all of those things. It went away. Is that right? Did it go away during COVID?
Doree Shafrir (07:22):
So it went online. They then became a digital coworking space, and so they would have work sprints and all sorts of events, but all online. And then they would occasionally do some IRL stuff, but I'm looking at their Instagram and they haven't posted anything in a year and a half, so I'm assuming that it probably is just totally gone.
Elise Hu (07:53):
Well, I watched that scripted series based on Adam Newman or whatever his name is from WeWork, and it does seem like coworking is a tough model, tough business model. Based on that Apple TV series that I watched for work. I don't know how, I guess it's sustained by memberships, but then there's also lots of costs of running the campuses.
Doree Shafrir (08:19):
But I mean, I think WeWork in particular expanded way too fast. I was actually a member of Adam Newman's original coworking space in Brooklyn, which was called Green Desk. Oh,
Elise Hu (08:33):
Yes, I remember when it was Green Desk.
Doree Shafrir (08:35):
Yeah. I didn't really put together that, that became WeWork for, I was like, wait, Green Desk became WeWork because I joined it, I'd been laid off and I joined it because I was freelancing and three friends and I shared a little office and I would go in a few a week. It was in Dumbo. It was not far from my apartment, and it was lovely. And then I think he just got this vision of I will build thousands of these, but I think that the concept of coworking is not a bad one. I think it's just been mishandled. I mean, I miss The Wing. I was also a member of The Wing and I love The Wing. The Wing has been gone for a while too, and it had its problems.
Elise Hu (09:29):
So that's the question for the crowd. If you know of other places that are similar to Jane Club or Wing, and I don't know where this listener is based, I do know that there's a bunch of communities coming up actually around me here on the west side of LA that are popular and I actually spent a week recording in one of them recently. There's one in Venice called The Lighthouse, which I'm really into, and it's for creators. So they have tons of audio recording booth.
Doree Shafrir (10:01):
Oh, that's really cool.
Elise Hu (10:02):
And prebuilt sets with cameras. They have a test kitchen with cameras up in the ceiling. They have a technical crew that'll get you set up if you just need to do a Riverside recording like you and I, there's rooms for that. There's edit Bays. You can bring dogs, you can bring up to three guests every time. It's a very cool campus. There's also one in Venice that's similar but smaller called The Kin, and it's less for audio video professionals and it's more for just coworking. So if you have more of a job that you just want to have a great community to get to, they do dinners called ERs. What's awesome for us, if I actually do buy into their pitch and get a membership for this one is there's a theater that we could use for live Forever35 tapings if we want to do
Doree Shafrir (10:50):
It. Oh, that's cool.
Elise Hu (10:51):
And so I'm thinking about it. I'm sort of like maybe we could get enough out of this where it would be good to become a member, but that's in LA and New York, so Lighthouse is also opening in Green Point, Brooklyn, so there's going to be two campuses. You can go back and forth. There's also Soho Houses that's not over. Soho houses still
Doree Shafrir (11:09):
Still happening. I was also so House member. I've been a member of many of, a lot of co-working membership type. Yeah, membership places. There's also one that a few people I know are members of in Burbank in the valley called Fable or Fable that also has a wellness element. I feel like they all have one gimmick. They have studio rentals, so they have podcast studios and you can rent their photography studio, but then they also have a room that you can get a massage in. I think they have a cold plunge and an infrared sauna, so they also have this other element to it. Yeah, I think now these places are, they're becoming a little more niche it seems like. I did some work with a friend who was a member of Chief, which is for the female C-suite executives. Yeah. She was a member and that was also nice, but also not really my vibe Chief seemed like the wings sort of grown up, do you know what I mean?
Elise Hu (12:24):
Yep, yep.
Doree Shafrir (12:26):
Yeah. So if y'all want to pitch in
Elise Hu (12:27):
And call us and write us with any of these, yes,
Doree Shafrir (12:31):
Please do. But don't do too many of them because we did get a text that said, I love you guys so much, and I say this as gently as I can, but the paper towel replacements have taken up so much space on the mini apps lately, like so much time. I hope that next week we've moved past it. I think that there's been enough options shared. Again, I love you and appreciate all you too.
Elise Hu (12:54):
We always say the callers really make this show. It's true. It's time to move on says this caller, this texter. Yes,
Doree Shafrir (13:04):
And it does seem like we have moved on. We did not get any more recommendations this week for dish towels or paper towel replacements. Okay, well before we take a break, just a reminder, you can call or text us at (781) 591-0390. Our email address is Forever35podcast@gmail.com. You can also email us voice memos. You can visit our website Forever35podcast.com. We have links there to everything you mention on the show. Follow us on Instagram at Forever35 Podcast. We also have a newsletter at Forever35podcast.com/newsletter and you can shop our favorite products at shopmyUS/Forever35. And after the break we have a question about jeans, a question about laser hair removal. So stay tuned, we'll be right back. Alright, we are back. And I also just want to put in a plug for Rachel Goodwin questions. She is coming back on the show very soon and if you have questions for our in-house celebrity makeup artist, please send them in.
Elise Hu (14:14):
Rachel Goodwin has been all over the world lately. I think she's going to join us maybe from Paris or something, but she was with Alanis when Alanis did her big, is it Glastonbury? She's been all over with Emma Stone as per usual, getting all sorts of accolades for creating those looks. Yeah, so she's been busy and I cannot wait to catch up with her and hear about the latest in product innovation and what she's into. So don't forget to send in questions for us and for Rachel Goodwin at all the places that Dorie mentioned before the break. 8 1 5 9 1 0 3, 9 0 and Forever35 podcast at gmail com.
Doree Shafrir (14:56):
Alright, Elise, do you want to take this first question?
Elise Hu (15:00):
Alright, our listener asks, does anybody have a good recommendation for mom jeans that don't look like mom jeans? I'm realizing that my Banana Republic jeans that used to fit before my son was born will never fit again. I would love a pair that feel like soft pants but still look like sharp jeans to wear to places where I want to look a bit put together. I'm with you on wanting to feel like I'm in soft pants all day. That's part of my uniform. That's a tricky one though. Jeans fit so differently on different people. Do. Where does your mind go when you saw this question?
Doree Shafrir (15:37):
Well, I am just going to, I know people have different views on shopping on Amazon, but I did get a great pair of barrel jeans from Amazon that are very stretchy, which I think might fit in with this listener's request. So we will link to those. I have them in two colors. I have them in blue and black. The blue are shorter than the black. I do feel like sometimes this is one of the pitfalls to shopping on Amazon is like the quality control is not always a hundred percent there, but I have been happy with both of those. Also, our advertiser Quince has some good jeans. I have a couple pairs of their jeans and they do have some styles that are quite stretchy.
Elise Hu (16:27):
Okay,
Doree Shafrir (16:28):
Great. So you could look into those and you can go to quince.com/forever three five and you get free shipping, so that's pretty fun. Elise, do you have any other recommendations?
Elise Hu (16:39):
Yeah, I love past denim and I love the past flight suits. Somebody on Patreon was asking like, Hey, Eugene Carroll didn't mention where she gets her flight suits. I get mine at past. I also love past denim. It sold at all the Nordstrom stores where you can buy 'em straight from the brand and yeah, I have some quote unquote mom jeans that are a little stretchier and maybe not so hip, but very comfy from them. And then I also, because I am a sheeple and marketing works on me after the Cat's Eye Gap commercial came out the Viral Cat's eye ad, not only did my middle daughter Issa learn the cat's eye dance from that gap denim ad, I was also like gap denim. I haven't really shopped gap denim in a long time and I got a pair of Gap super soft denim. They have jeans called Ultra Soft or Super Soft. It's so soft, so soft. I feel like I'm in pajama pants in my wide leg. Super Soft Gap jeans that were completely successfully marketed to me because
Doree Shafrir (17:52):
Of
Elise Hu (17:54):
Their Sydney Sweeney response commercial featuring the Girls Group Cat's eye. So incredible dance, funny choreography. Great timing of that ad. I know it was already in the works before the Sydney Sweeney American Eagle thing, but it came out right on time and then it sold me jeans that I love. Super soft or ultra soft denim. I don't know the specific, it looks like
Doree Shafrir (18:18):
They have a thing called Ultra soft denim.
Elise Hu (18:22):
Okay. Okay, fantastic. I'll find the pair that I have and whatever the item is and I'll make sure that Sammy includes it in our show notes.
Doree Shafrir (18:30):
Okay. This is exciting also. I've been getting a lot of rush talk videos on my TikTok for You page and Ola is a big sponsor of sororities. There have been several Soror sorority recruitment videos that are also sponsored by Pistol. They're all in pistol. Oh my
Elise Hu (18:51):
Gosh. Oh my God. I got to tell you, I was absolutely aghast because I don't get a lot of rush talk, but I participated in Rush and I got, it's so funny because I follow Taylor Lorenz's meme Instagram
(19:09)
Where she has an Instagram account of just memes and popular tweets and things, and the front carousel item on one of her recent meme post or meme account postings was the front of my old sorority house, the one I actually lived in. And I was like, wait, that looks familiar. Oh my god, it's the Pifi house at the University of Missouri. And I lived there. I was like, what are they doing? My brain went straight to Taylor Swift in that line about like, oh, that's so funny of the asylum I came up in because it was actually getting right totally on this Instagram that I saw.
Doree Shafrir (19:43):
Totally. Okay, next question. Oh, and I should say also if you have suggestions, obviously please send them in. Okay. And this is a text for both hosts. I'm laser hair removal, curious, but I'm a little intimidated by the process since it sounds like you've both opted for laser hair removal, could you explain what to expect? I'm particularly interested in bikini line hair removal, but also curious about armpit hair removal. Thanks. Side note, I somehow got on the contact list from hell by clicking on a 75% off deal for hair removal. I've been thinking about it since it was first mentioned on the podcast a few weeks ago. So now someone is calling or texting me daily asking if I'm interested in learning more aggressive. I know, but also it keeps me thinking about laser hair removal. So maybe this hell marketing is working, but I'm too shy to ask that my questions and I'd prefer to get the expert opinions of my favorite lady podcast host. Anyway, so tell it true. What's it like? Wait, before we get to the laser hair removal, I also have recently had an experience where I signed up for, I was interested in Stretch Lab. Do you know this?
Elise Hu (20:53):
Yeah, we talked about Stretch Lab on the show
Doree Shafrir (20:55):
And I was like, oh, maybe I'll check it out. But the only way you can get pricing is by giving them your information. They have been harassing me, harassing me, calling, texting. I'm like, dudes, it's giving desperate. Like what the hell? So if you or anyone is affiliated with Stretch Lab, tell them to cool it now. Hair removal,
Elise Hu (21:25):
Go for it.
Doree Shafrir (21:25):
Yeah, I did bikini line a long time ago, so I don't know if laser hair technology has changed since then. I found it mildly painful, not insane, but it's not like pain free. The best candidates are people with light skin and dark hair. If you have blonde hair, I think it is harder. I also think if you have dark skin, it is harder. Again, I don't know what the laser technology has evolved, how it has evolved in the last 10 to 15 years, but my understanding is not a ton. I think they have developed some lasers that make it easier, but it's not perfect. But yeah, and you have to go a bunch of times. I think I went five or six times, but no complaints once it was done.
Elise Hu (22:24):
If you're asking about the process, basically you need to be there and shaved, so they don't want you waxed because they can't get to the follicle as well. So you need to be there. You need to be shaved. They put you in little if this is bikini, so it's like you're not clothed, your bottoms are off and they give you a little one of those paper undies if you want. You don't really need 'em depending on what all you want removed. If you want them to be really liberal in their hair removal, you probably wouldn't get those little paper undies. You'd have to remove them anyway, now that I think about it. But anyway, there's a cooling. I think they try and numb you first. So I'm trying to remember if it was cool air or something or numbing cream because I've done it both ways. I think in Korea they did a numbing cream first to numb the area just because if it's bikini line, it can be very sensitive. Obviously it's going to be way more sensitive than your armpits, for example, or just your forearm or something like that. But they'll numb you or try to numb you locally and only locally. I tried it at laser away or one of those chain type places. And from what I recall, there is a cool wand that kind of cools you first. Do you remember this story? It's been a bit for now.
Doree Shafrir (23:38):
I think that this is an innovation that happened after I did laser hair removal. I do not remember any sort of numbing
Elise Hu (23:46):
Or cooling. So they try and numb you a little bit first? Yeah, if I recall or at the exact same time. And then the laser itself is basically, it's not like they're shooting red lasers or anything at you. It's just a wand, like a smooth wand. And then there's like that's connected by a cord to a large air filter looking machine. Essentially I'm looking at my air filter, I'm, it kind of looks like my air filter. And then you'll hear kind of a clicking as they're wanding you and they just wand you in the areas where you don't want hair anymore. And again, like Dory said, it doesn't work completely the first time and you have to go back numerous times, but it is mildly painful. I would put the pain at a round, maybe a waxing down there. It's not like, it's not awful. It's not awful. The only part that really hurts is if you want to get really close to your lips because you're just more sensitive
Doree Shafrir (24:47):
There.
Elise Hu (24:49):
But yeah, hopefully that answers your question. And if you have more and more specific questions, you can jump in on the Patreon chat or call back in.
Doree Shafrir (24:57):
All right. And we are going to take another short break and we will be right back. We have a couple of micro joys. Also, just a reminder that if you want to listen to our podcast without ads, you can do that at patreon.com/forever three five. At the $10 level, we offer ad free episodes. So if you're sick of fast forwarding through ads, just head on over to Patreon. All right. We'll be right back. Okay, we're back. And we have a couple of voicemails that I wanted to share. First one really made me chuckle.
Listener Voicemail (25:37):
Hey Doree and Elise, it's Alyssa in Minnesota. I dunno if we're still reporting micro joys or if this even really counts, but I didn't know where else or who else to held this to. I'm on my evening walk. It's a beautiful night and I just passed the rec center where the Pickleball League play, and tonight there were six nuns in full habits playing doubles in the pickleball league. Absolutely. It just brought me a lot of joy. I don't really know why. It just brought, I wanted Happy Micro, love the bye.
Elise Hu (26:12):
I love that. I love anyone in full garb doing any sort of quo and activity. Yes, you could be in a bear suit or something, or some mascot costume and just doing something normal riding a bike. And I love it. It just brings me a lot of joy. Surprising,
Doree Shafrir (26:30):
Totally
Elise Hu (26:31):
What makes us human, but perspective and surprise. Right. Ain't
Doree Shafrir (26:36):
That the truth? Okay. And next voicemail is in a similar vein, not about nuns, but just sort of like joys.
Doree Shafrir (26:49):
Hi there. I just had a thought. My youngest just went off to basic training for the army, and it's so strange to be in a quiet house, but I wanted to acknowledge how women supporting women is so beautiful and lovely that I have so many friends that have reached out and some family that have reached out and just had kind words and hugs and just acknowledged this moment of me sending my youngest into the world. And I had three kids and I had babies young, and it's so strange to just be in this quiet house now. But they have really lifted me up. And I just wanted to remind all the women to reach out to others at this time. If you have friends who are sending kids off to school, whether that's their first or their last or their fifth, just to pay attention to them because they need a hug and they need some love right now. And thanks for providing this space for all of us. Bye.
Elise Hu (27:47):
Well, we want to send our love to you too. Yeah. You've launched everyone. You've launched, everyone. Congratulations. You did your job as a parent. That's amazing. And I know it must feel like such a transition. I can't even imagine what it's going to be like with when my SaaS house, when my chaos house is empty of children or offspring in general. Yeah. We're here for you too, as Forever35 hosts and the community. So thank you for that important reminder and congratulations on this big life transition. It's a big deal. Yeah. Congrats.
Doree Shafrir (28:21):
All right. Thanks everyone. Talk to you
Elise Hu (28:23):
Soon. We'll talk to you next time.
Doree Shafrir (28:25):
Okay, bye.