Mini-Ep 374: Revenge Of The Tabs
Kate and Doree remember a day when skiing was cheap before they hear from listeners about goats as self-care, free-tabbing, and under eye concealer tricks from a make-up artist.
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Kate: Hello and welcome to Forever35, a podcast about the things we do to take care of ourselves. I'm Kate Spencer.
Doree: And I am Doree Shafrir.
Kate: And you know, we're not experts.
Doree: We're not, but we are two friends who like to talk a lot about serums.
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Kate: I was wearing my hoodie yesterday, wearing it yesterday. It's so cozy.
Doree: It's so cozy. It's like the coziest hoodie.
Kate: It's real hoodie weather.
Doree: It is hoodie weather. Kate.
Kate: Well, I should say for me, I have acquired an ear infection, which is a thing adults can get. Doree, did you know, you know, we could get ear infections.
Doree: I, I've had an ear infection. I've had an ear infection as an adult.
Kate: Wow.
Doree: That I believe was caused by, or they told me it was caused by getting water in my ear.
Kate: Oh, interesting. So I My, oh sorry, go ahead. Pardon me.
Doree: I had gone to a surf camp in the Dominican Republic.
Kate: Love this for you.
Doree: And I came home and I was like, huh, my ear really hurts. And it was from like water getting in my ear.
Kate: The sea. The sea got the best of you
Doree: From the sea? Yes.
Kate: I had the thing happen where I thought I had strep throat. Cause I had this sore throat come on very fast. And I was, took a covid test and it was negative. And so I went and got tested for strep and that was negative. And then the doctor's like, let me just check out your ears. And she was like, whoa, your ears are red. Are you having pain in your ears or sinus pain? She's like, normally this goes with a sinus infection. And I was like,
Doree: oh wow.
Kate: I just have this weird sore throat. Of course. And so I've started antibiotics yesterday. Of course today I wake, I've also been having headaches all week, so maybe that was the sinus stuff.
Doree: Oh no.
Kate: But today I woke up and my whole, I have full on sinus pressure today, so now it's all coming to fruition.
Doree: Yeah.
Kate: But yeah, it's kind of like I once got a kidney infection.
Doree: Yikes.
Kate: Where, so I went to see Taylor Swift with my friend Joy, and we went out to dinner and then I spent the entire following 24 hours throwing up with a fever, thinking I had food poisoning. And I finally was so dehydrated, I took myself to the ER and they were, oh my God. Oh no, it's a kidney infection. Normally this comes after U I. But I had never had the UTI part of it, so I feel like sometimes I just get the thing without getting the first thing.
Doree: Yeah.
Kate: Can I circle back to something though?
Doree: Yes, please circle.
Kate: Okay. Hold on. Okay. I wanted to just ask about your surf camp because you've mentioned this before, this trip that you took. I would love to know, did you connect with surfing? Was it pleasurable for you? Have you done it since? Surfing's one of those things like skateboarding that in theory I wish I did, but I actually think I would hate and would terrify me and wouldn't be like joyful. It would be like pure sheer terror.
Doree: I did really like surfing for a while. I weirdly learned in New York in the Rockaways and then went to the surf camp in the Dominican Republic. I think it was the summer of, it was either 2011 or 2012. I don't remember. It was a week long camp. It was really great, really fun. I really enjoyed surfing. I mean, I was also a swimmer. I was on the swim team. So I think I had that comfort in the water that maybe not everybody does, but I don't know. I mean, it's definitely scary. It can, well, I shouldn't say it's definitely scary. It can be scary. And I do think it's important to learn how to do it from someone who knows what they're doing and not just try to do it yourself. But it's really fun. I have not done it in years. I think I was like, I don't remember exactly what happened. I haven't done it in la.
Kate: You haven't? Okay.
Doree: I think I was maybe intimidated by the surf culture here.
Kate: Yeah, I, I've always wanted to take a lesson, but I also am the kind of person who hates getting their eyes wet because my contact lenses fall out.
Doree: Oh sure.
Kate: Do people surf in goggles? I've never seen them, but maybe someone out there does.
Doree: Maybe. But it's really fun. I feel sort of cliches about surfing are kind of true. You really do feel like at one with the water.
Kate: Oh, that's beautiful.
Doree: Really. It's an amazing kind of sensation once you get it. Riding a wave is very cool. But I also, as a kid, I also really water skiing. I like skiing. I think I just that, I don't know that kind of vibe. Does that make sense?
Kate: You like a thrill water sport? Yes. I've never been able to get up on a water ski.
Doree: I think I kind of do.
Kate: That's cool.
Doree: I loved water skiing at camp. I did it at camp, but at sleepaway camp I could get up on one ski. It's really fun.
Kate: That is amazing. I have tried to learn so many times. For many years. My father-in-law made it his mission to get me up on skis. I have never successful. I've gotten up and then my legs quiver and then it's like go and I'm out and I'm down and I, I've just kind of accepted like, this isn't for me and that's fine and that's fine. Love that it, you can do it. And that it's a thrill for you.
Doree: I mean, I haven't done it in 30 years,
Kate: But I do feel like water skiing, like skiing, like riding a bike in that, something
Doree: That was come back to me.
Kate: I do. I think there's a physical remembering obviously of our muscles and our brain, but then I think there's also a remembering of the joy, the emotional aspect that kind of gets reinvigorated.
Doree: Totally.
Kate: Great. I see. Well listen, let's rent a Malibu house this summer.
Doree: Great.
Kate: Totally affordable.
Doree: I mean, I see my son, I see the things that he, I can already see that he enjoys and I'm like, oh boy.
Kate: Yep.
Doree: Oh boy. He loves roller coasters. He loves thrill rides.
Kate: That's right. your four year old, not even four. Even four. Not even four went on Space Mountain.
Doree: Space Mountain. And Guardians of the Galaxy, which I would argue is maybe even scarier than Space Mountain.
Kate: Oh yes. That ride, I can barely handle it. For folks who have maybe only have been to Disney World, that's the Tower of terror ride. It's just like a rocketing you up and then dropping you kind of sensation. And I hate it. I hate it. And I only go to please my children.
Doree: Well, Henry loves it. And at the end of the ride was like, when can we do it again?
Kate: Oh my God.
Doree: I mean, I've been like, okay, I'm almost scared to take him skiing because I feel like he's going to love it so much.
Kate: But maybe that will be his calling.
Doree: Maybe. But it's very expensive.
Kate: It's an expensive calling. It is Doree. I dated a ski racer for three and a half years in college. That's not the entry point into the sport of skiing. Has a high price price tag, you skiers out there. Feel free to educate us and tell us about or any of you surfers, skiers, skateboarders.
Doree: And I would also also be curious, is there a hack to doing skiing where it's not a gajillion dollars every time? I'm curious.
Kate: Yeah.
Doree: Can you ski, is there, Does affordable skiing exist anymore? I guess is my question. Did it ever? I think it kind of did. And I don't know if it still does
Kate: Well because people were skiing in jeans in the 1980s, but boots, ski poles, helmets, all expensive.
Doree: I skied in jeans, I definitely skied in jeans.
Kate: Yeah. All the equipment is expensive.
Doree: We didn't ski in helmets.
Kate: No. Now you need to, but
Doree: now you have to.
Kate: I mean there're so the cost, just all of that, renting it or buying it is expensive. It's prohibitive.
Doree: Yeah. So
Kate: Well look, let's take a break.
Doree: Okay. We'll be right back.
Kate: Hello. We're back.
Doree: Hello. Hello.
Kate: Changing subjects. We received this lovely message from listener. Greetings Kat and Dor. I've been intermittently in touch with you over the years. You might recall that y'all gave me, gave my farm a little shout out on your here for you podcast when I was offering up Goat Zooms in the thick of the pandemic. I am a former journalist who decamped to Vermont to begin working on goat dairies in 2014. And I'm still in the early stages of building my little farm business, which I launched in 2019. I have been so deeply changed and enriched by my work with goats that I felt I needed to chime in after hearing you read the note from the listener who asked about animals as self-care, I am prone to depression and anxiety. And prior to starting my farm, I was clawing my way back from a particularly dark period. These animals have truly been my salvation for all sorts of reasons, have given me purpose and have been such a comfort to me as the inevitable, inevitable pendulum of life, swings, hitter, and dither. Yeah, I said that that's a direct quote from the email. I love it. I believe so deeply in goat's ability to comfort and heal that I'm in the process of trying to institute a component on of my farm that would offer therapeutic services to others. One of the core challenges I have faced in dairy farming is attempting to align my values with the realities of running a farm business chiefly what to do with retired surplus or otherwise non-productive animals. My hope is that I might be able to use my beloved senior goats to provide comfort to others who suffer from a wide spectrum of mental health issues. There's a lot of data to support the benefits of animal assisted therapy for divergent folks as well as those who struggle from PTSD and substance abuse recovery. It's such an immensely valuable therapeutic modality and one that I have benefited from regularly over the years. I can truly say that goats have saved my life and I know I'm not alone in this.
Doree: Wow.
Kate: Goats
Doree: Beloved senior goats.
Kate: It's interesting. I would love to know more about goats specifically. What about them makes them so kind of geared towards comfort and healing? I find goats very charming. They're funny. They goats seem to have a real sense.
Doree: Goats are funny
Kate: Play and humor. But maybe this listener or a listener or another goat person could tell us. Cause I feel this way about horses and I know people feel this way about their dogs or any pets. I mean, even my mantis RIP Spice.
Doree: Oh, your Mantis died.
Kate: Our mantis did die. She died. But I loved that mantis.
Doree: Oh.
Kate: And she provided me with a lot of joy.
Doree: That's really sweet.
Kate: Yeah, she really did. I have horseback riding tonight. I don't think I'm going to ride, but I do think I'm going to snuggle.
Doree: Oh,
Kate: That's part of it, right? That's part of getting to be with animals in this way is the tender moments you share.
Doree: Yeah, for sure. It's not. Yeah. I mean, when I got home this morning, Beau was lounging on the couch in my office and I just sat next to him and rubbed his belly for a couple minutes and it is calming. And he was like,
Kate: Yeah. Oh, he's such a derp, your dog. I just love him.
Doree: He is literally the derpiest derp.
Kate: Yeah. A tough, he thinks he's a tough guy, but he is such a doofus.
Doree: There was an article in the LA Times recently about really wealthy people who are paying like $150,000 for these specially trained German shepherds and Dobermans as like guard dogs.
Kate: No.
Doree: And I rolled my eyes and was also like, or you could just get a rescue like Bo.
Kate: Yes. He'll protect you.
Doree: He sounds really scary when you walk by the house.
Kate: He does. And he looks scary.
Doree: And he looks scary. Yeah. He's 80 pounds of Bo.
Kate: He is your goat.
Doree: He is my goat. I wonder how he would behave around a goat.
Kate: Oh my God. I don't even want to know how my dogs would do around a goat.
Doree: Oh my gosh. I know. Thank you so much for this email. I love thinking about calming goats.
Kate: Yeah. If I, I'm going to be on the east coast this summer. Maybe I can try to go to this goat farm.
Doree: Yeah, you should. All right. Here's another email we got. Just listened to the Cindy Spiegel episode and wanted to share the micro joys I find in the pod. Oh my gosh. I love when Kate breaks into song because she has a wonderful singing voice. And I love when Doree suddenly laughs really hard. There've only been a handful of times since the beginning of the pod that she's done this. And each time I've done the 15 second rewind to hear it over and over again because it makes me so happy. And I've only laughed really hard on the pod a handful of times. Is that true?
Kate: I think it's like to the point where you're peeing your pants.
Doree: Oh, Sure, sure. Where I can't breathe.
Kate: Yeah, because you laugh a lot. I like your laugh actually too. Your laughing is a real tinkle to it. Like a melodic tinkle. Oh, well tinkle is the wrong word, but you know what I mean. It's a tune.
Doree: I do. I do. I do. This is so funny. Maybe my laugh should be a ringtone.
Kate: Ooh, I would love that. So would this listener, one thing this reminded me of that my family tries to do at dinner, we don't always succeed at this, but we've been doing this for many years now as we do highs and lows of our day. And everyone has to share a high. You have to find one thing, which maybe is problematic, but we'll deal with that in therapy and then a low if you have one. And it is a nice, we've also been doing question of the day and today my daughter wrote it and just wrote, it's on a whiteboard on the fridge. And it said, what are you looking forward to this weekend? And it's nice to just,
Doree: Thats sweet.
Kate: Get to see the tinier thing or just hear what brings them joy. It's not always what I would expect, but it's really, it's kind of their own little micro joys. And I find that really sweet and fun to hear about.
Doree: Oh, I love that.
Kate: Well, Doree, let's share the one more email and that we got that I think might resonate with you, Kat and Dore. I just watched the live show, not live, and it was so much fun. Hope you'll do it again in the future. We are planning on it. I had to write in about free tapping. My personal laptop is not so bad. I don't use it for too much. I currently have pause to count 39 tabs open, just the one window. My work laptop on the other hand, well at the moment it's actually pretty clean because I just updated my OS and I couldn't restore my previous session when I opened Firefox. But before then I had probably five to 10 windows open, a number of which had only five-ish tabs, but two main windows with more. The primary one had honestly possibly around a hundred tabs. I literally had to scroll through the tabs and the scrolling went on for a while. This was extreme even for me, but I do always have difficulty keeping tabs under control. I guess I have difficulty being okay with saying, I'm done with something for now that, or I get distracted anyway. It might be related to the clutter in my house, the bed robe. Am I going to wear that again before I wash it and all the rest of my disorganization. That said, I'm a rational human being who is never free mugged while in transit other than a slow amble into another room or if I'm feeling really wild, the garden.
Doree: Okay.
Kate: So if you aren't familiar with what this listener is talking about on our live show, Doree revealed that she had 40 tabs open as we were recording. She had the recording open in a window, but then there were numerous tabs. You counted them all and there were a lot.
Doree: I did. Yeah. There were two. And I was at that moment that my mic went haywire and it was revenge of the tabs.
Kate: That's right. That's right. And was I of course, feigned shock because I didn't know this. You were a person who has a lot of tabs open. For me, it's hard to focus when I have a lot of tabs open. But it was a fun discovery and it reminded me of the early days of the pod when we talked about our shower, how we showered, and how we both took showers in such different ways. And I just think it's, for me, when we talk about these things, it's a real celebration of our differences. Not just you and me, but all of us as humans. And I think neither is morally good or morally bad. It's not bad or good to have a million tabs open and it's not bad or good to not. It's just fascinating to me to look at how differently as individuals we all operate.
Doree: It reminds me a little bit of the inbox zero thing
Kate: And how that is not for everybody.
Doree: And then it's not for everybody. And it's not a moral judgment either way. You're not morally better if you're at inbox zero or you keep inbox zero. And I'm not morally better or worse because I have 37,000 unread emails in my Gmail.
Kate: Nor are you for never bringing an open mug in the car.
Doree: Exactly. It's morally neutral.
Kate: It is. And I think it's so just, again, human beings are so fascinating to me, just the ways in which we exist. I just love hearing about people's different practices and how, to me, it's fascinating. So thank you to this listener for sharing.
Doree: And just to go back to the free mugger thing, I think some people had a misconception that I was judging you for being a free mugger.
Kate: I think so too. And I want to clarify. I never, I don't feel that
Doree: Way. It's not, and I certainly did not mean to imply that. It was more like I just couldn't relate because I could not have a mug in my car without spilling it. So I was just like, that feels crazy to me. But it was like a, you do you. if you're happy being a free mugger, by all means, but
Kate: Well, I'm excited just to little spoiler alert, we're talking to Casey Davis, aka a struggle cared, aka domestic blisters later today. And I think that's one of my biggest takeaways is that she's like, she says, the house, the you don't work for the house. The house totally works for you.
Doree: Yes.
Kate: Right?
Doree: Yes.
Kate: What works for you is right. Yes. And that is kind of like how I walk away from all these conversations.
Doree: Yes. Yes. A Thousand percent.
Kate: And I will let you know, Doree, I am drinking an open mug at my desk right now as we record this. If I have some jasmine tea. You could never, you could never. But I can.
Doree: I could never. I could never.
Kate: So, all right. Yeah, we're going to take another pause.
Doree: Okay, let's do that. We'll be right back. All right. We are back.
Kate: We have a voicemail here about baking, but not in the oven.
Doree: Good intro. Okay, here we go.
Kate: Thank you. Thank you.
Voicemail: Hey. I wanted to pause the pod, just was listening to the episode where someone called to ask about under eye concealer. And obviously I feel like everyone should point has a journey here, but I had a couple tips and products that have actually been big game changer for me. I just thought I'd pass along one in the morning. I've become totally obsessed with the Sunday Riley Autocorrect under eye like serum, whatever, I don't know, does something. I can't tell you what, but it has the caffeine in that. I think it does kind of brighten. I've been, it's definitely pricey, but I really have found it to be very useful. The second thing is I use tarte shaped tape, which you guys mentioned for my under eye concealer. And it works great, but I also had a lot of issues like the caller said with it creasing. And same with my eyelids. And just recently thanks to ye'old Alex Earl or young Alex Earl, I started not baking under your eyes, which I think is what they call when you were powdering it really heavy. But I really just take my translucent powder, dip it in or dip like a brush in it. And I just kind of really packed the translucent powder on top of the, under my eyes and on my eyelids pretty close after I put the concealer on. And it makes the world of difference. I always used to just put translucent powder all over my face, but really cognizant, aggressive, putting a lot of powder under the eyes seems to really make a big difference for me. I go all day, no creasing. So anywho, let's just keep watching the Youngs on the TikTok and they'll help to help us. That's all. Thanks. Thanks.
Doree: Wow. Okay.
Kate: Keep watching the Youngs on the TikTok. Ye young Alex Earl is one of the funniest things anyone has ever said in a voicemail.
Doree: This is, yeah. This is really funny.
Kate: Do you know who Alex Earl is? You do, right?
Doree: Oh, I do. I do. Right.
Kate: Influencer extraordinaire. Alex Earl taking the Tok by storm. I don't understand baking. I've watched videos of people doing it and I don't get it, but I'm open to getting it.
Doree: Yeah,
Kate: I want to get it. I want to get it.
Doree: Yeah, I do. Yeah. I'm intrigued. I'm intrigued.
Kate: All right. Well, here's just another text to around things Out. They wrote to us texting about Undereye concealer. I'm a makeup artist, and these are my top recommendations. Tart cc Undereye Corrector comes in a creamy pot and dries down well, amazing at concealing bags and discoloration. Tom Ford, emotion proof concealer. Expensive but amazing, very thin consistency and has medium to full coverage and is buildable Maybelline age rewind concealer. Also medium to full coverage. Best tip is to work in very thin layers and do one eye at a time, apply concealer, then set with powder right away instead of applying concealer to the other eye afterwards. Otherwise, it may crease. And you'll set the creases with powder. Hot tips. Thank you. Makeup artist, listener.
Doree: These are very hot tips.
Kate: Two votes for Tarte.
Doree: Yeah. Yep, yep, yep.
Kate: Tell us what you're doing under your eyes. Everybody
Doree: We want to know.
Kate: And nothing is a valid answer.
Doree: Yeah. Telling us you do nothing is a valid answer.
Kate: Yes and a good one. All right, everybody. Okay? All right, Doree.
Doree: Okay. Kate.
Kate: Let's go surfing. See you at the beach.
Doree: Alright Bye.