Mini-Ep 325: Chanel For NASA
Kate finds her mental health squad and Doree is on the hunt for some good picture books. Then, they hear from listeners about lugging a beloved candle back to Australia, skincare routines for beardies, and a revolutionary new beauty tool that changes the game.
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Transcript
Kate: Hello, welcome to forever 35, a podcast about the things we do to take care of ourselves. I am Kate Spencer
Doree: And I am Doree Shafrir,
and we are not experts.
We're not, but we are two friends who like to talk a lot about serums.
Kate: And this is a mini episode where we like to hear from the real experts, AKA you, the listeners, and share your comments and thoughts. And we try to answer your questions to the best of our ability.
Doree: And please you remember, we are podcast hosts. We're not experts. We always encourage you to seek support first and foremost, from a medical and or mental health professional as needed.
Kate: If you wanna reach us, our voicemail and text number is 7 8 1 5 9 1 0 3 9 0. And our email is forever 35 podcast, gmail.com
Doree: Indeed. Now Kate
Kate: Yesterday,
Doree: I do just wanna remind people that they can visit our website forever five podcast.com for links to everything we mention on the show. They can follow us on Twitter at forever five pod and on Instagram at forever 35 podcast. And join the forever 35 Facebook group at facebook.com/group/forever 35 podcast. The password to serums, and we have a newsletter at 35 podcast.com/newsletter. Also, you can shop all of our prods@shopmyshelf.us slash five, um, where you can find things arranged, just kind of more thematically mm-hmm
Kate: <affirmative> beauty tools, sun protection, skincare, prods, hair, prods candles,
Doree: Slow things.
Kate: Hey, you know, we're recording a little ahead of schedule just because of kind of the way in which our production schedule is at the moment. So by the time you hear this, this will already kind of quote, unquote, be old news, but I don't think of it that way. And I just wanna say, fuck yes, Kansas.
Doree: Oh, yes,
Kate: Baby. Yes,
Doree: Yes.
Kate: Way to go.
Doree: You know, it just also points to the power of organizing on the state level,
Kate: Which free story
Doree: Is something that we are very committed and this, this also might be old news by the time this airs, but as of today, when we're recording it, we have gotten past $40,000.
Kate: I cannot get over that
Doree: On our giving in our giving circle, we have raised the goal again to,
Kate: And so many giving circles have started out of our giving circle. And then from those giving circles more will start. It's like truly fascinating. It's like the good version of a pyramid scheme.
Doree: Exactly.
Kate: Right, exactly.
Doree: Yes. Yeah. We got an email from the, from Melissa Walker who was on the show with some stats about how many giving circles had started because of us. And it was amazing. It was, it was really quite cool. So yeah. Um, the giving circle's still open if you wanna join us. And I do also just wanna mention that this is not scheduled yet, but we will be having a zoom with everyone who has donated to the giving circle and we're going to be, um, selecting the state that we're going to be focusing on.
Kate: So come to the party,
Doree: Come to the party.
Kate: Yeah. And you know what, Doree, I just in case anyone's like, what are they talking about with Kansas? Just FYI, the people of Kansas voted overwhelmingly to reject a constant, a constitutional amendment that basically would've made it very easy, uh, for the state government to essentially, you know, ban abortion mm-hmm <affirmative> or, you know, almost ban it. And we had listeners who live in Kansas who wrote in and, and told us about going to place their vote. And it just was it's really moving and exciting. Uh, and it was just a wonderful, like spot of good news in what has felt like a really tough time. Mm-hmm
Doree: <affirmative>
Kate: Thank you, Kansas for invigorating,
Doree: Us Kansas,
Kate: The great state of Kansas, which I don't think I've ever been to, but you know what, I'm not opposed to going to some dietary.
Doree: I have never been to Kansas either.
Kate: I think I've driven through Kansas.
Doree: Oh,
Kate: Okay. I sound like such an we a coastal resident right now. I think you've driven through your state. My,
Doree: Um, and this is also if I, if I do say so myself, something cool that we are doing <laugh> is we announced our balance bound collaboration on the previous episode. But I also just wanna say that we are going to be donating a portion of the proceeds from the first month of sales to our giving circle. So, um, you know, we had already, we'd already put some money into the giving circle in the beginning, and this is just another way for us to, to bolster the support that everyone else has given us. So for which we're very grateful.
Kate: And while we're talking about circles, may I segue into suggesting that everyone go and watch, or re-watch Joni Mitchell and friends singing the circle game at the Newport folk festival last month? Yes, because I, the first time I watched it with my two daughters, by my side, I just sat and wept and they were like, what is happening? But it was so moving and like talk about just the power of music to connect and also like to make you feel it was just incredible. So if you need, if you need a cry or a self care moment, it's like seven minutes. Just, just we'll link to it. Just give it a go
Doree: It's so it's so great.
Kate: Oh,
Doree: Um, well, Kate, you are, you're taking some supplements. <laugh>
Kate: I have them right here. I have, this is like the day's worth. Wow. I kinda just carry this around with me. Yeah. It's a lot. And I it's actually missing some cause I had to reorder my Cortis. Yeah. I'm taking a lot of stuff. Story. I'm taking a lot of stuff. I'm taking liquids, I'm taking stuff that I put in a hot water and then I let it cool. And I drink it in my water and it doesn't taste very good.
Doree: Mm
Kate: I'm putting, you know, flaxseed in my smoothies. I am becoming one of those people. And there are a lot of us here in the Los Angeles area who are talking about our supplements, but you know, I'm just trying to get this bod and I don't mean the bod, the outward bod. I mean the bod inside. I don't care about the outward bod right now inside bod. I'm trying to get her, you know, feeling good. I think I've mentioned that my, you know, when I got my blood work done, my iron stores were incredibly low mm-hmm <affirmative> um, I think I mentioned that on a previous episode, like, like, like low. So, you know, and I think I've talked about how I'm taking a bunch of stuff, but yeah. I, and you know, it's been, I wanna say nice, but it's like, I have my little pill kit. I set everything up and I carried around with me all day and I take my little pills and there's like something nice to the routine. I'm not quite sure what it is yet. And it also included in this, uh, regimen is of course my two friends, Wellbutrin and Prozac. I would be nothing without them. Your
Doree: Pals?
Kate: Yeah. Like my clique, you know, mental health, my mental health
Doree: Squad <laugh>
Kate: Oh my
Doree: God. Yeah. That's
Kate: My squad. Yeah. I am. You know, and I will say it's been interesting cuz I both my nutritionist and my naturopath use a full script. Have you ever ordered anything off a full
Doree: Script? No. What is it?
Kate: Okay. I don't, I think you might need like a prescri, you have to be a practitioner to use it. And then it's like a platform where they can go and then recommend, um, they can like include treatment and recommendations and then also suggest supplements to add to your routine. So it's
Doree: Oh, interesting.
Kate: It's quite a handy platform. I don't think you can go on there and buy things unless they ha your like practitioner has suggested that you get something it's I I'd never heard of it until my nutritionist was like, buy this fish oil and here's my link on full script. So yeah, that's what I'm up to just supplementing like, whoa. And then also just I'm fucking eating so much cruciferous shit. <laugh> crucifer. I mean,
Doree: And this is because of
Kate: This is because my body is very run down and COVID really took, it, took it to the next level. So I'm trying to kind of really take care of it and do some healing from the inside and you know, cruciferous vegetables. They're really good for you. Turns out, turns out you need to eat them. So, you know, it's, it's interesting. Like anytime I do something that's like for my health, that involves food, but it's not related to weight loss, it's it it's like still such a learning experience for me, you know, because I feel like any time in my past life when it was like, I'm eating more broccoli it's because it was like, you know, calories and that's now not why I'm doing it. And so to kind of have to like, have to be like, okay, it's okay that I'm like eating more vegetables. I'm not doing this. And even if I was doing it because of diet culture, I just wanna give us permission to like, know that that happens and that's okay. But I mean, just to be like, oh, okay, you can eat vegetables. And like, it's not because you're fixating on weight loss and like it's okay. Tip toe on over to that brussel sprout and roasting on up. I don't know what I'm talking about, but you know, it's
Doree: <laugh> and it's, it's
Kate: Interesting. I think what's, it's interesting to kind of like touch into my health, but I don't know. I think maybe it's being older or just changing the reasons why I'm here standing in front of all these green vegetables, asking them to love me.
Doree: <laugh> uh, well, do you eat cruciferous
Kate: Vegetable story? Do you eat five to six servings of vegetables a day?
Doree: Probably not.
Kate: It's a lot of fucking vegetables.
Doree: It's a lot of vegetables. That's that's a lot. I eat veggie. I mean, I eat veggies, but, um, I, I don't, I probably don't get that many if I had to guess.
Kate: There's no judgment here.
Doree: Okay, good.
Kate: I just also just like saying cruciferous
Doree: <laugh> look, I get it. It's a fun word.
Kate: It is a fun word. I just like it. Anyway, speaking of
Doree: Words, yes. I coming to our listeners to ask for some recommendations.
Kate: Okay.
Doree: So my son Henry is three
Kate: Heard of him. Yeah.
Doree: And he is like moving away from his kind of like younger books already. We already like moved away from his like real baby board books, but now like, and, and he had been in a phase of reading, like curious, George flies, a kite kind of stuff for a little while, like very sort of simple, um, slightly longer like actual stories. But now we're getting into like actual picture books with like real pages and a kind of longer, more complex story. And I just don't have that many of those books I realized. Um, so I'm looking for some recommendations and I'm especially looking for books that are diverse without necessarily being like about diversity.
Kate: Mm.
Doree: Like books, just that just have like diverse kids and families doing regular things. Mm-hmm <affirmative> um, and also that don't reinforce traditional gender roles.
Kate: Mm. So do you have last stop on market street? A book that I love?
Doree: Yes. You gave it to us.
Kate: Oh, whoops. Okay. There <laugh> predictable.
Doree: Yes. We love that book. He actually really loves that book. Um, my, one of his other favorites right now is a really adorable book called rocket, says, look up about a little girl who tries to get everyone outta town to go to the park to see a meteor shower.
Kate: Oh,
Doree: I know. Oh,
Kate: I'm looking this one up now. Oh, cute.
Doree: Oh my she's cute. Yeah. She's really cute. Um, there was a great thread about this in forever 35 book club, the Facebook group. Um, but I'd love to just sort of throw it out to the wider audience.
Kate: They have some suggestions I can share a book. Oh, great. That a friend of mine from college who I have not seen since college, she and her husband wrote it's called Calvin. And it's about a transgender boy getting ready for the, his first day of school.
Doree: Oh
Kate: Cool. And the illustrations are really beautiful. Yeah. Shout out Vanessa Ford and her husband Jr. Ford. Cool. Yeah. Just gimme a little, little drop there. I mean, I love those Iggy pack. You know, the arc, the, the books about kids like Iggy architect, I'm
Doree: You? No, I Don I Don know anything. Oh, kids how I know kids
Kate: Books. I don't know. Well then it's like, you look at what we read and I, I just keep being like Eloise, like I don't it's so right. You, you have, you, you have to catch up with today's books, like
Doree: Talk about reinforcing traditional gender roles, like make way for ducklings is like, like
Kate: <laugh> I know.
Doree: And these are dogs
Kate: And bears for Sal. I know they ducks.
Doree: I know
Kate: Parenting bears. I mean, yeah, just oof.
Doree: Yeah. So anyway, so I'd love some recommendations if people have, um, alright Kate, we should take a
Kate: Break. Okay.
Doree: And we have some listener questions to get to when we come back.
Kate: Okay. Doree, you know, every now and then we get an email that just blows our minds. Mm-hmm <affirmative> mm-hmm <affirmative> and this was one of them because this listener wrote to us, hi, cat door greetings from Australia. Okay. So it starts off, you know, pretty regular. Then they write I've just come back from a trip to the us where I went to a conference, presenting my research on space suits for Mars.
And then they just go into talking about candles. So we'll, we'll, we're gonna circle back to the Mars thing, but here's what else I said it was the first time I'd been to the us in 12 years. And I made it a priority to do some forever 35 things. Top of the list was a trip to target to get a cozy nights candle. They only had the large ones, but it was worth the extra weight in my luggage. My fabulous Sephoras missed and masks met. My skin was plump and Dewey. After the 20 hours, it took to get home time for bed. Now, obviously we love this. We love that you came here for work and you too alluded to a bunch of our fave spots, but can we circle back to the fact that
Doree: Mean are
Kate: Talking about space suits for Mars?
Doree: I mean,
Kate: Well, we wrote back to this listener and we said, <laugh>, you need to tell us about the space suits. Should I share their second message?
Doree: Yes, please.
Kate: Okay. They said the current space suits used for space walks on the ISS are not practically suitable for Mars as they are far too heavy and not designed to walk in. I conducted a trade study, comparing different kinds of space suits to see which is best suited for Mars. And also also, which is the most technologically developed. I compared current gas, pressurized suits to skin type elastic, space suits, and also suits these hybrids of the two concepts in different combinations.
Doree: Now
Kate: They also sent us a photo of themselves in a, in a, in the space suit,
Doree: Which looks, looks really cool.
Kate: Yeah. It looks like stylish, you know, mm-hmm,
Doree: <affirmative> like
Kate: You, like, if, if like Kristen Stewart wore this on a red carpet, you wouldn't be like, that's a space suit. You'd be like, oh, cool. Chanel.
Doree: <laugh> Chanel for NASA. <laugh> the Chanel NASA collab.
Kate: <laugh> I mean, I just, I am like every time we get a listener, who's like, here's what I do. Whether they're a dental hygienist or a park ranger, or they're making space suits from ours, I am just constantly like, it just BR gives me such joy. You know, it feels like our, it feels like just that we're in community with these folks. And it just like, it just makes me so happy anyway. That's what one person, one of our listeners is doing. Making space suits. Amazing. Okay. We love it. And also bringing lugging a giant ass cozy Knights candle across the world, which I gotta say that's heavy. Those big ones are big, big, big, okay. Moving on. Okay. Turn this. So we have a voicemail that is in response to me talking about how I was like using tools for cake frosting to get products out of a bottle. It was a real moment in my life. Okay. So they had a recommendation.
Voicemail: Hi, this is moment I'm on my from. And I had about, um, if you dunno it already, the spa, um, I learned about this on the, uh, podcast and, um, it's basically a little rubber spatula. So I thought about this, you about daughters, peanut buttery conditioner, this fatty, it's like the teenies tiniest little rubber spatula. And so I could see you be able to like scoop that out and then scoop it. Maybe not into a bottle, but, but one of those containers that's, um, you know, like a little little that maybe sometimes lip Bal comes in. Um, so the Spady you honestly, like you need a Spady because not only that, but when you get the end of whatever product, like if it's foundation or, um, like gel, I don't know, you just take it and you can like, sometimes you can stick it right into the opening of the jar.
It's that tiny where you can scrape out the extra stuff that you end up throwing away. Or if it's a plastic tube, you can just cut the tube and you can use the spa to like scoop out stuff from the inside, which I do a lot. Um, I recommend it the first it used it on, I moisturizer moisturizer sunscreen situation. And I swear I would've thrown it away two weeks before I needed to, because I was able to, so that the spa it's like six on Amazon. I recommend it. Um, way less effort than your pastry bag. Although I do commend your ingenuity with that. OK. Happy summer, everyone.
Doree: It's OK. Have you gotten a Spatty?
Kate: I haven't gotten it yet, but I've thinking about it. I'd never even heard of this. Of course. The add to cart gals are on it. They're very knowledgeable. I trust them and their recommendations as well as this listener. It's, I'm looking at it online. It, it is truly like a cute little tooth picky spatula.
Doree: I mean, this sounds like the answer to your, your problems, your prayers, well, and your problems.
Kate: I also personally got to the end of one of my favorite cleansers, the hydrating, uh, cleansing milk, or excuse the, I think it's the ocean cleansing milk or the ocean cleanser? No, it's the ocean cleansing milk by EA. I love it. And I couldn't get the last drops out. Like I was doing the thing where you take the, um, what's it called? Not the squirter. <laugh> what's the thing called, you know, when you take the top off and then you're like banging a bottle against your hand trying to
Doree: Get yes, yes, yes. Like a
Kate: Catchup bottle. So I think this could come in handy for all sorts of things. Also, I like in the picture of the product, there's just like, they're using the tiny spatula to put peanut butter on an apple, you know? Oh my God. It contains multitudes. You have you heard of
Doree: This? No, but that reminds me <laugh> so my husband, um, is in Las Vegas right now. And before he left, he asked, uh, Henry if like, he was like, I'll bring something back for you. Like, do you want me to, because Henry was like a little sad that Matt was leaving and Matt was like, I'll bring something back for you from Las Vegas. Like what do you want? Bring just three chair. <laugh> Henry. Oh my gosh. Good
Kate: Luck, Matt. Have fun with
Doree: That.
Kate: <laugh> you go in that tiny chair?
Doree: Oh gosh.
Kate: Oh, that's adorable. Okay. Well I wish Matt luck on that one.
Doree: I mean,
Kate: You know, he'll find one.
Doree: Yeah.
Kate: Oh, well, uh, Doree, here's a question that actually, we, we posed to our male spouses. Um, someone wrote high friends. My partner is 37 and he's exploring skincare for the first time. I know what cleanser and toner and moisturizer to recommend with sunscreen, of course, but he brought up the scrub. He uses to get into skin under his beard. This is where I'm lost. I have no idea what to recommend for him, for helping with that. Does he put something on top? How does he get the skin under the beard clean? Does he need to LOL help?
Doree: Um, I mean, Matt, I think Matt occasionally uses a beard oil, but that would be, I think that for the hair, right, exactly. I think a cleanser is fine. Honestly,
Kate: Anthony just wrote, he wrote to me, I texted him and I was like, can you help me with this? And he just wrote, I use the same facial cleanser I use for the rest of my face, but I am no role model and I'll speak for yourself. I, I would think of it like the same way. You know, I don't have hair on my face that I take care of, but I do have hair in my head or like I'm exfoliating my legs or my arms, or, you know, it's not the same amount of hair maybe as a beard, but I just think any sort of, I think probably any sort of like scrub once a week is gonna be fine.
Doree: Mm-hmm <affirmative> I agree.
Kate: I don't think you need to overthink it honestly, but again, if anyone who has a beard or has someone in their lives with beard who knows the answer,
Doree: You know, I was thinking maybe like a nice salicylic acid cleanser. Mm.
Kate: Just to get that dead
Doree: Skin off. Yeah. Yeah. Cause
Kate: There's gotta be a lot of skin built up just like on our heads, right?
Doree: Yeah. Yeah. That's what I'm thinking.
Kate: Yeah. Beard is weigh in.
Doree: Yeah.
Kate: You know, beard what they called. Beard's
Doree: What they're called. All right. Kate, we have returned and we have a voicemail on a completely different subject, but one that I think relates to your Crucis.
Voicemail: I just wanna thank Kate for being vulnerable. Sister-in-law over two years ago, right? The first kinda month of the pandemic, uh, we all got it and it felt, um, like it, like my brain was being scrambled for three weeks. I had what I would call a, a unbearable, um, headache for three full, um, which hard cuz I, my 10 month old had it, my husband had it too. Um, and I feel like during that time it was like, lobotomizing my brain. And I smell and taste immediately left. It was at for a really long time and it's years don't from before I like and things that I like taste like chemicals, um, smell completely, um, can't smell at all zero. Um, and it sucks. And it made me realize that our smell in our taste, it's not just for fun. It really is to keep us, you know, a gas leak. You diaper, not more superficial to keep my family safe. Um, there, we did have a leak when I, I lost in't smell, knew something was in my, I know, I know there've know therapies. You can do the,
Kate: Oh,
How did that voicemail make you feel Kate? Well validated of course, but like it's so the thing that I find most interesting about COVID, you know, I have a friend who just got it today, was texting our group of friends. Most of us have had it like everybody's symptoms. It's constantly so different. The lingering effects are so different. It's you know, and I think one thing that I personally find frustrating is, you know, I was actually at my vet and a, a guy walked in, I was getting my dog, uh, spade. And he walked in with his dog and he didn't have a mask. And he said to the person at the front desk, do I have to wear a mask? And she was like, it's, you know, recommended, but you don't have to. And he was like, good. I don't wanna to, I'm not gonna be afraid of a stupid flu.
And I was like, oh geez. Okay. I know. Well, I like one he's extremely problematic, but two it's like, you know, and this, this gets into a much larger topic about the medical field and whose mm-hmm <affirmative>, um, whose bodies are <laugh>, you know, like looked at and used for research, but like COVID impacts the reproductive system, you know? Yeah. So anyone with a uterus who menstruates like it is, it is impact. I was talking to a woman today at my gym who had that happen and I had that happen and I don't feel like because obviously patriarchy, blah, blah, blah. You know, and the men are always the loudest in the room, like that's getting overlooked. And so some dude can just be like, it's a stupid flu and it's totally not. So I just, there's so much about it that I think is really, um, you know, important to discuss. Anyway, I really appreciated this listener's point of view. And I also wanted to add like, what the fuck I hadn't even thought about how losing your sense of meditation impact your safety? Oh my
Doree: Gosh. I hadn't either.
Kate: Like, I'm always just like, I couldn't taste a pickle, but like, I, I, I haven't thought about a gas leak or a fire.
Doree: Yeah. It's really scary. It's
Kate: Really scary. And I, I didn't experience that. Um, so I don't know what that's like, but oh, listener. Yeah. That's scary. I'm glad you brought that up.
Doree: Me too. Um, Kate, we have another voicemail.
Kate: Okay.
Voicemail: Hi. Sorry. I just got cut off, but I wanted to say thank you so much for believing Kate validating, Kate, and also putting the idea. This might be an issue for her. It's so important to have supportive people who just sit there and say, I see you and you know, this isn't you making it up or anything else like that. So thank you so much for being a chronic ally or, you know, just a great friend in general. Um, it's so wonderful to hear and it just makes me so happy that you guys, that there are people out there who can support each other like that. Um, again, thank you for everything that you do. Kate, thank you for sharing your story. I know that was easy. And um, yeah. Hope you guys have an awesome July and can't wait to hear how it went when you return.
Doree: Well, I'll be saving this voicemail.
Kate: Yeah. I think you should imprint like paste it out and put on the wall. I thi this listener left a longer voicemail ahead of this, um, about their own experiences with COVID and autoimmune issues. But I just, I thought this was really one you like, obviously wanna play it so you can hear it. But I do think it's really important to remember, you know, I think we've talked more about, um, chronic illness and disability on this show this year and having people who validate you and believe you, it seems like, is really, really important. So I just thought this was a really nice reminder of that.
Doree: Yeah. Well, you know, just one other thing about that, Megan O's book, I thought like, yes, did a really good job of like showing what it's like when people don't believe you. Um yep. And you know, I think people with chronic illness have, it's so much that they, they, what am I trying to say? Um, it's so difficult for them to be heard and understood by the medical establishment and then to feel like you're being gas lit by people close to you. Like your friends and family, I imagine must be like a whole other level of feeling shitty. Um, so I try, you know, you do succeed. No, one's perfect. But I diagnose Kate with
Kate: You were the one who was like, Hey, this doesn't sound normal. <laugh> cause I was just like, shrug, I guess this is life as a 43 year old. So thank you for that. Gosh.
Doree: Well you are so welcome. Um, alright. Last text. Hi Catora. Can you please give a shout out to the forever 30 fives who donated items to my classroom on the Facebook group? I'm so moved by their generosity, the things they bought are going to good use and stuff. I knew I'd be purchasing myself throughout the year for my own pocket. It makes a big difference in my life. And most importantly, in my students life as an elementary art teacher, I have 500 children that are my students. Each one is so special and unique in their own way. I can't wait to see their excitement as they see the new goodies and how to draw books in the art room this year. Thank you for the pod. Listening throughout the week brings me so much peace and grounds me after wild days. Love Monica,
Kate: Monica gave us permission to use their name, just FYI. And what an amazing note to receive. Thank you to everyone who did this. This is so cool. I didn't even know this was happening.
Doree: I, I bought some stuff
Kate: That's so awesome.
Doree: I, you know what, you know what I realize?
Kate: Yes.
Doree: This is also partly I think why I love sponsoring families, um, around the holidays.
Kate: Yeah. It
Doree: Likes, you know, I, I love doing it just, you know, because I, I do like to help people, but it also scratches like a shopping inch. <laugh> that's like kind of fun.
Kate: Totally. Yes it does.
Doree: Um, so it was fun for me to like, look at all these teachers wishlist and be like, Ooh, I'm gonna get the mat. And you know, it was, I enjoy that. So
Kate: It scratches the itch and it's for a cause that is greater than just our own closets, if you will.
Doree: Totally, totally. So, um, anyway, I'm glad that our listeners were able to help.
Kate: Yeah, that's incredible. Well, Doree, TW a pleasure as always
Doree: Indeed.
Kate: Talk to you all later,
Doree: All.