Mini-Ep 314: My Skin Is Worth It
Kate leans into frozen foods during a busy time and Doree becomes a super fan of a sunscreen brand. Then, listeners share a story about a not-so-discreet vibration, ask for tips on dealing with life post-partum, and wonder about the pronunciation of “menstruate.”
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Kate: Hello, welcome to forever 35, a podcast about the things we do to take care of ourselves. I am Kate Spencer
Doree: And I am Doree Shafrir,
Kate: And we are not experts.
Doree: No, but we are two friends who like to talk a lot about serums
Kate: mm-hmm mm-hmm <affirmative>. And this is a mini episode where we hear from you. We share your comments and your thoughts, and we answer your questions to the best of our ability.
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Kate: Doree,
Doree: Kate,
Kate: We are kind of in the midst of a big heat wave it's summer mm-hmm <affirmative> and obviously you and our big sunscreen advocates, but you are here to tell us about a sunscreen. That is one, one over, not just your heart, but your skin.
Doree: Wow. Kate, you should be like a, you should write like pitch pitch women stuff. You're very good at it.
Kate: Pitch women's oh, like, um, like I should try to like sell soaps. Yeah.
Doree: Or something. Well pitch,
Kate: Maybe this company will hire me.
Doree: I mean, um, well, so let me give a little bit of backstory as mentioned previously on the pod. I recently had a laser treatment on my face, which took off. Yes. Kate,
Kate: Can we get an update?
Doree: Yes. Um, okay.
Kate: I mean, on this episode or a pending episode.
Doree: Yeah. I mean, the update is that it brought out all these dark spots for like close to a week. And then after like a, I would say after like 10 days they had fallen off and I am like, I'm pretty pleased with the results. I think I will probably do it one more time in the fall. Nice. For the most, for the most part, like they're gone, it's kind of crazy. Um,
Doree: Yeah, but because of that, I feel like I need to be extra careful in the sun now. Like I was careful before and now I am trying to be extra, extra, extra careful. And one of the things that I do that tends to be in the sun is play tennis. And I, I have, you know, I've talked about this on the pod. I feel like I had never really found a sunscreen that like stood up to the rather unforgiving Los Angeles sunshine. Um, so I have recently procured a new hat that gives me more coverage, but I also finally, and like, I feel like so many listeners have recommended this sunscreen over the years, but I finally invested in some super group play sunscreen,
Kate: The big jug.
Doree: I did not get the big jug because I was like, what if I don't like it? Then I'm stuck with like a big jug. Um, but I got the, I think the middle size,
Kate: And this is a cream sunscreen. Yes.
Doree: But I did also get the body moose.
Kate: I have tried this before and I like it. My kids had a real issue with the texture of the sunscreen moose.
Doree: Oh,
Kate: Interesting. You know, how many children have different tolerances for texture and different sensory experiences that aren't comfortable for them? Oh, baby moose on skin was, it was not good in their house. No, but I, I think it's great. I loved it.
Doree: So I, I full disclosure, I've really only been using the cream so far. I mean, it's only been a few days, but I really like the cream. I do feel like it stays on well, mm-hmm, <affirmative> it absorbs really nicely. It is a chemical sunscreen. It's not a mineral sunscreen. I prefer chemical sunscreen. And you know, I think I just had to acknowledge that when it comes to sweating
Kate: Mm-hmm <affirmative>
Doree: And, you know, activity, I, in my experience, the mineral sunscreens have not done the job, as well as the chemical. Now maybe there will be advances in mineral sunscreen, and that will change. But even like the think sport, um, sunscreen, which like I like, but the, the first of all, the texture is so thick and goopy and like, or not even goy, it's like, it's very thick. It just, and it leaves such a white cast everywhere. And I just, and I, and I also don't think it
Kate: Works
Doree: As well. So yeah, I am, I am fully on board, the super goop play sunscreen train. Now it's not cheap, but I do think that my skin is worth it.
Kate: <laugh> that sounded like an ad isn't like, it's worth it. Or like I'm worth it to, I know eighties ad
Doree: It probably is. Okay. So yeah, so I got the five and a half ounce, uh, bottle, and it was $32. The big old jug, which is 18 ounces is $58. So, you know, if you know that you're gonna use a lot of it, that's actually like a much better deal. And if you just wanna try it out, they also, oh, it looks like they're sold out, but they have a one ounce for $10 and then a 2.4 ounce for $22. So yeah,
Kate: Tempting mm-hmm <affirmative>, you know, I just, I mean, I just bought a bunch of sunscreen at, um, Costco, because you know, I'm buying in bulk mm-hmm <affirmative>, especially in the camp season. We are just, we are just spraying ourselves. Oh yeah. Between camp and hanging out, outside in the pool and stuff like that. We are just screening up a storm, but I mean, I'm always intrigued by super group. Super group has like one of the most loyal followings that I, I believe is earned. I mean, I I've always found their stuff to be fine, but like, I often wonder like why the frenzy over super group and not Coolah, which I like, just as much, I'm just curious. I'm just posing a question to the super goofies out there.
Doree: Just asking questions.
Kate: That's all I'm here to do Doree.
Doree: I think, I mean, I do think some of it must be branding.
Kate: Mm. I mean, I'm a sucker for branding <laugh> so, so I get That.
Doree: Let's just, let's just put that out there.
Kate: I mean, everything is branding everything and that's just, okay. We can't, we can't resist the siren song of good branding. It's
Doree: Hard. It's very hard. Um, I also do want to note, because someone had emailed us about this and we, we didn't really have, I didn't have a great answer for them. Um, I also got some of the super go lip that has SPF
Kate: In it. Mm-hmm <affirmative> mm-hmm <affirmative>
Doree: And I like it so far. I got the lip shield, which has SPF 30.
Kate: All right. You
Doree: Heard have, and that, that is, that is also a play product. So that is also intended
Kate: Play is a line. This is like a sweating line?
Doree: Play is like their sport line. Yeah. Okay.
Kate: Okay.
Doree: Um, and then I also got a, um, mineral <affirmative> mineral stick thing for Henry from they have a, they have a kids, I guess it's a kids line. Um, yeah. For babies and kiddos, it's an SPF 50 stick that's mineral, cuz Henry is very sensitive to chemical sunscreens actually. And so I do stick with mineral for him because otherwise he like basically has an allergic reaction. And for a long time we thought he was allergic to grass and then realize, no, it was his sunscreen. Oh yeah.
Kate: Poor dude.
Doree: I know, I know. He, he unfortunately inherited my skin. <laugh>
Kate: Your delicate, uh,
Doree: My delicate, you call eczema prone, sunburn prone, sensitive skin.
Kate: And Matt's just like durable tans.
Doree: Matt's got that like Mediterranean olive skin that just like stands up to anything. And he was, like, he once said to me that he had never had a pimple <laugh> and I was like,
Kate: I'm sorry, What?
Doree: I'm like, I was just like, fuck you. <laugh>
Kate: Like, honestly never Had a pimple.
Doree: Fuck you. And you know what? That is AC like I have seen the stray pimple on him. Although I do like in fairness, I do think it's usually like an in-grown hair situation. He, he like, I, he, I have not really seen him with pimples. I was like, wow. Imagine going through adolescence with no pimples.
Kate: Goodness gracious. What would that have been? Like,
Doree: What would that have been like?
Kate: I mean, to look, I don't something else will get you because adolescents, right? Yes. A nightmare.
Doree: Yes, exactly. Like, it's not like he had this like dream adolescence, but like that was one thing that he didn't
Kate: Yeah. He escape to escape, uh, escaped the Zits.
Doree: Yeah. So anyway, sadly Henry did not inherit his skin.
Kate: That's okay. Henry got his love of Frasier and the red Sox,
Doree: He sure did. Now Kate enough about me and my sunscreen. You have, you have come to a, I would call it perhaps a revelation
Kate: I'm in survival mode over here a little bit. It's very busy. And as we've discussed feeling kind of depressed, not really motivated to do much. And you know, I have basically just reached, um, the end of my rope with cooking and meal planning. And I just am, I'm in, I'm now like rejecting it. And I look, someone saved my life tonight and that someone was Costco and I bought, we bought a bunch of frozen stuff. I mean, I, we always have frozen stuff. That's part of our meals. I am just leaning into the freezer and like I do, this is a larger discussion that we don't have to get into right now. But the way certain foods have been demoralized, demoralized, you know, like, look, this is a diet culture. This is an issue of classism that, which is connected to racism. I mean, this, this connects to patriarchy and gender roles and all of it. But basically I'm tired of feeling myself, fall into the trap of like gotta make, uh, this meal myself. And if we're gonna have chicken fingers, why don't I just bread them myself instead just fucking buying frozen chicken fingers. Embrace what is easy. The end.
Doree: Kate, we should take a break.
Kate: Okay. Yeah. Thank you for, thank you for bearing with me as I ranted.
Doree: All right, we are back.
Kate: Here's a story from a listener.
Text: I thought this might give you a chuckle last night, my partner and I walked into our bedroom to what sounded like an industrial death rattle coming from inside the wall, suspiciously close to the AC vent. We both flailed him agitating about what might be wrong with the cooling system and looking for something to record the noise knee scrambling for my noise, canceling headphones in case it didn't stop. It was truly Jack hammer esque. The culprit turned out to be my parentheses, honestly, very small and discreet vibrator, which had somehow turned itself on and up to full power. In my wooden bedside table, the fix was turning it off him relieved and amused me mostly sheepish for some reason, while obvious reasons. This moment made me think of you in absurdity and solidarity.
Doree: Wow. I am so flattered that moments like these make people think of us
Kate: When you use your vibrator. Think of this podcast.
Doree: <laugh> okay. That's weird. <laugh>
Kate: Or how about when your vibrator randomly goes off in your drawer?
Doree: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.
Kate: How, you know, you would think that the creators of vibrators would make it harder for them to just randomly turn on and off.
Doree: Yeah. Because I feel like this happens in people's luggage all the time. Yes. There should be like a lock button, you know, like a lock, like your toggle.
Kate: Yes. Like on your phone!
Doree: Yeah.
Kate: So that shouldn't be that hard. Right?
Doree: I agree. I agree.
Kate: Look, I'm sure who is the
Doree: Industrial designer? <laugh>
Kate: The vibes that are out there.
Doree: Come on. I'm
Kate: Sure there are some that have this, but it does just feel like it just hit it or it just like you slam your drawer shut in a weird way. And then it hits the button and then it's like,
Doree: Yeah. Well,
Kate: Food for thought for the vibrator.
Doree: Clearly this listener's vibrator has become sentient.
Kate: Do you think it's like the AI program
Doree: At group? Yes. It's turning itself on it's like what?
Kate: Vibrator speaking
Doree: It's like use me
Kate: <laugh> Hey folks. I noticed you haven't, uh, been intimate in a while. I just sitting
Doree: Here.
Kate: Does anyone wanna just give me, I feel sad when I'm not used. Yeah.
Doree: I mean, come on.
Kate: Oh my God. I would love it. If vibrators were the first things to go sentient,
Doree: That would be amazing. I feel like there's like a, there's like a big mouth style, like animated show about like a family of vibrators. Am I losing my mind?
Kate: I mean, look Doree is 2022. Who knows what's happening? I, I don't know maybe, but that's fine. Yeah. The world is just the world is a, you know, the world is a world of vibrators who are talking. That's where we're at little
Doree: Vibe family. Oh my God. Okay. I'm like picturing this way too in way too much detail now. All right. Let's move on.
Kate: Whew. Okay. We're gonna majorly switch gears.
Doree: Uh, shall I read this?
Kate: This Doree.
Doree: Okay.
Email: Hi Kat and Dor. Can we talk postpartum? I'm 14 days in with my first baby. And was it not prepared for how hard this is? The emotional lows sleep deprivation and physical symptoms have been harder for me to manage than I naively expected. Can you ladies share some guidance and solidarity from your own experiences, listening to your podcast while taking a shower has been a pillar of my self-care during this time. Thank you so much for that.
Kate: Mm. I feel like, um, we could dedicate an entire episode to talking about the ways in which we can be unsupported postpartum. Mm-hmm <affirmative> first and foremost by society and our government. Wow. I am salty today, but let's just talk about you at home 14 days with your first baby and not being prepared for how hard it is. It's so hard and it's unimaginable, even though like people love to be like, get ready.
Doree: It's unimaginable. There's no, there's no real preparation for the relentlessness of it. Like, there's just, no, there's no downtime. The baby needs you all the time. And when, even when the baby's sleeping, you're still thinking about the baby. And like, you're like, it's just feeding the be. It's just, it's just constant. And especially that first month is like, you're just kind of in a trance, I think.
Kate: Yes. And I think if you, if you're the, if you're a person who has given birth, the physical experience of childbirth is for many of us extremely physically taxing. Yes. So like with my first child, I was coming out of a, an emergency C-section abdominal surgery and then a fucking spinal headache and a blood patch. And then I was essentially not sleeping for three months and your body is just ragged. Yeah. Again, this is why we need things like universal healthcare and childcare and paid parental leave. Okay. But we all know this. We know that. Please, please. Don't forget that. So what can you do?
Doree: I mean, I have some thoughts go, You go, ahead.
Kate: well, I'm just gonna keep renting. Okay. Number one. Um, we, this is when we lean on our community, anyone who has ever said a passing, let me know. What I can do to help is now the time to demand to the help because they mean it, it wasn't just said in jest, and that's a great job for your partner. So have your partner put together a list of people and if they need to delegate to somebody in your inner circle, great, but like get some people on task, get a meal, train, set up, get a dish, washing, train, set up, get, have people send money. So you can hire someone to come do your laundry or clean your house or have your friends come do those things. This is when community is key. What if you aren't near community? This is when you have to outsource and ask for support and outsourcing because outsourcing yeah. Is a financial burden. Yes.
Doree: Yeah. I mean, this is where having financial resources, I think is a real benefit. And if you don't have financial resources, I think this is where we see the real breakdown of the safety net and the caregiving infrastructure in this country. Mm-hmm <affirmative> because there's just nothing in other countries, you have like midwives coming to check on you and like help you out. Like <laugh> like, oh,
Kate: And like the government sends you a box of things and yeah. Yeah. There's like Miracle,
Doree: literally nothing. It's. So infuriating people are I'm
Kate: People are back to work within days and weeks of giving birth.
Doree: Yes. I'm also especially riled up because last night, um, my newsletter, now we're talking, I hosted an event with Angela Garbus about her new book, Essential Labor
Kate: Essential labor, so good.
Doree: And it's just, I mean, it's so good. And it's all about this and how caregiving in the United States just is not valued. And there's it. I could go on, but I suggest everyone should read this. Not you listener who's 14 days postpartum. This is probably not the time, but everyone else <laugh>. But, um, but yeah, if you have the means, this is the time to like hire someone even to just come in for a few hours, like in an, in the afternoon to give you a break or, you know, if you can afford it, someone, a postpartum doula type person or an overnight person to help you out. Like, I think these are all things that exist, but again, you have to have the means. And, and that is really, I fully acknowledge that. That is like very frustrating. I'm just, I'm just suggesting it in case this listener has that, you know, financial privilege to be able to do it. Um, so yeah,
Kate: I, I also think that if, if I wish, I mean, it's very easy to receive advice. It's much harder to actually like hear it, but if this is at all or, you know, I find anyway, so I'm gonna offer this, but do not put yourself through the rigor Mo rigor Mo of feeling like everything you do as a parent has to be perfect. There's which is again, circles back. I think to what I was yamering about earlier about patriarchy misogyny, white supremacy, all this shit.
Doree: Yep.
Kate: You do not need to be a martyr for your baby
Doree: Mm-hmm <affirmative>
Kate: And I wish I had understood this because there was so much pressure to do everything perfectly in a, in a certain standard grinding my own fucking boiled sweet potatoes to make baby food, all that kind of crap. A canned baby food is fine formula great. Like the things that also like this is a, this is a team effort here of you and this baby. It's not, you do everything for the baby. The there's got like, if, if feeding your child formula, and I'm saying this acknowledging the fact that we are in a fucking formula shortage. So like, again, this is you can't, you can't win, but what might make things a little bit easier for you? If you feed your child, you know, if you're breastfeeding all the time and your boobs hurt and you want a little sleep, have your spouse or your partner, or whoever, give them a bottle again, saying this with a million caveats. Okay. But like, just know that that is something I wish I had. I had known because now with children who are 11 and nine, I can see that it's all fine, but there's so much pressure to do everything in this perfect way. And there's so much comparing and so many comments from other people, oh God, sorry. I could talk about this for an hour. Anyway. Do sorry. Did that sound, do I sound out of my brain?
Doree: No. I mean, I think it's the, the TLDR is like lean on whoever you can first and foremost, it sounds like I, well, I mean, we don't know if this listener has a partner, do we?
Kate: Um,
Doree: No, they don't say.
Kate: I thought they said they did and they didn't. So my apologies for referencing a partner.
Doree: Well, I just wanna say if this listener has a partner, first and foremost, this is who you are leaning on. Yeah. Like you step it up, step it up. And you know, I, I don't wanna like go too far down the activism rabbit hole, but like, <laugh>, there's this whole kind of school of thought that like, you shouldn't give your baby a bottle too early, because then they'll, they won't want the boob. And like, if you're breastfeeding, blah, blah, blah. And I'm just like, you know what? If your partner can do a night feeding, that's what they should do. And like, fuck that <laugh>
Kate: Hundred percent.
Doree: That's how I feel
Kate: Your survival through this is so important. Your wellbeing is important. Like, yes. Do you not sacrifice everything that you need because you feel like doing so is better for your child.
Doree: Yes. And like nipple confusion. I'm sorry is not a thing. It's not a thing.
Kate: I love it. I Love it.
Doree: It's not a thing now.
Kate: Yes. Finally, also, just, if you can just chill, you don't need to do anything. You don't need to go for a big walk. You don't need to like clean your house. Just chill out. If you can listen to an audio book, watch whatever you want on TV. Look at your phone. Just chill. Yeah.
Doree: All right, Kate, I think we should take another break.
Kate: Okay, great. Okay. Do a voicemail with a question. Uh, has come our way. Let's throw this out here.
Doree: All right.
Voicemail: Kat and Dor every time Kate says menstruating, I'm like, did I learn that word? I think it's pronounced mens and I'm very confused. So I always thought she was joking. Like she was just saying menstruating really silly. But I think maybe... I think it's menstruating. I think it's pronounce menstruating. You guys are the best. Thank you. Bye.
Kate: Doree. Am I pronouncing it wrong? Menstruating. Menstruating. I've been pronouncing it wrong my whole life.
Doree: I don't think so.
Kate: What do you say?
Doree: I say menstruate.
Kate: Hold on.
Doree: I just, I just looked up the, the pronunciation
Kate: <laugh> I'm I'm just listened to it. I think honestly, listener it's probably both. And I think just different accents probably rush the menstruate, like menstruation, menstruation. I always say menstruation, menstruation, but menstruation.
Doree: So now I just looked up something and it says, hold on. And it says menstruating.
Kate: Yeah. Which is what the listener says.
Doree: Oh, but the British pronunciation is menstruating.
Kate: I knew I was doing it the British way because you know, a part of my soul is just always
Doree: Because you're an Anglophile.
Kate: Yeah. There's one thing you know about me that I am an Anglophile mm-hmm <affirmative> men strew ation. I guess we're pronouncing it as Kate Middleton pronounces it. You know, we can't help ourselves.
Doree: I
Kate: Think all ways are right. Always are right. Don't change your pronunciation for me. My favorite thing about that voicemail though, is that, um, the listener thought I was joking, which really makes me laugh.
Doree: That's so funny.
Kate: <laugh> that? They had to be like, oh no, she's serious. That's
Doree: So funny.
Kate: Menstruating, menstruating, menstruating, menstruate, menstruate. I don't know. Let's take a poll. This will be a hot topic on the Instagram. Hey, everybody, we have a poll for you. Is it men's STR weight or men straight. All right. Well finally, a text message. This is a fascinating text message. Uh, and we got this a few months ago actually. And I just, the listener sent us a second text and then I saw this text and I was like, oh, we've gotta talk about this.
Text: Hi, Dore and Kat looking for thoughts and advice regarding issues with my significant other's friend, my boyfriend and I have been together just during a year. And we both feel so fortunate to have found our person. He had been single for many years before we met. And he is a best friend of nearly 20 years who was, and is single FYI. The boyfriend is 37 and this listener is 33. The best way to describe it is that they were each other's non-romantic companions. Each other's COVID bubble, but simply put BFFs last weekend. My boyfriend's friend unleashed a vicious rant in a group text targeting my boyfriend, essentially for being a bad friend over the last year. It is worth noting that they see each other almost every week. Never going more than two weeks without hanging out in between in person hangs, they play the online video games once or twice a week. When his text rant wasn't met. Well, he turned his attention to me, sending my boyfriend a really hurtful message about me. My boyfriend chose not to respond or engage. I am so sad for my boyfriend. He's hurt so badly. I also feel guilty for coming between these two friends. Although my boyfriend talked it all the way through and he assures me that his friend is out of line and off base. At this point, he has no interest in continuing the friendship I'm hurt by the things that he said about me clearly in an effort to make me look horrible to my boyfriend, the words quote, obviously insecure and quote vampire were used. Have either of you or any of my fellow listeners ever dealt with something like this from a friend of your significant other.
Doree: This reminds me of one of the storylines on Heartstoppers <laugh>
Kate: Mmm.
Doree: Which to be clear is about high schoolers.
Kate: Yeah. Yeah. This friend is a piece of shit.
Doree: Mm-hmm <affirmative>.
Kate: or they're just going through some things, but I don't think you didn't come between them. Like that verbiage is inaccurate.
Doree: It sounds like the boyfriend's friend is, cannot deal with the fact that your boyfriend is like in a different phase of life than he used to be. And he feels like, and like your boyfriend has moved on in a way and the friend has not, but that's not your boyfriend's problem.
Kate: It's and it's definitely not this listener's problem,
Doree: No, it's definitely not this listener's problem. I mean, the, this also like <laugh>, I mean, there's just so much here that is fucked up. Like the fact that he sent this in a group
Kate: Text. Yeah. What is this person's deal? What,
Doree: Like, that's crazy. This person sounds like they have abandonment issues, which like, again, I empathize, but like these are grown adults. We're talking about like, it's time to deal with your shit. Like your boyfriend is 37. I'm assuming that they've been best friends for nearly 20 years. I'm assuming this person is also in their late thirties. Like it's kind of time to <laugh>, you know, figure that shit out. I mean, I think that there can be friendships where people get very possessive mm-hmm <affirmative> um, and you know, it wasn't to this extent, but I had a friend who also kind of reacted similarly, when I said I was moving to LA like really like lashed out and, you know, ultimately that was more a reflection on her than on me, but it was still very hurtful and we are no longer friends. Um, but like, yeah, I don't know this sucks.
Kate: Yeah. And, and it's unfortunate that you've been caught up in this, um, because it really has nothing to do with you.
Doree: Yeah. And you know, I will say it sounds like your boyfriend is handling this really well.
Kate: Like yeah. What a great, uh, boundary setter
Doree: He's sticking up for. He's, you know, he's like, this is beyond the pale with this friend and I, yeah. I think he's, you know, he's doing the right thing here.
Kate: I will say, you know, we don't know what's going on with the friend. Yeah. Right. Like who knows what spiral or what challenges the friend is facing in their own life. So I do think that if they are able to turn their relationship around or this friend apologizes, or Y you know, they make amends and you feel comfortable, like, you know, giving them grace and moving on. I think that's also, you know, a nice way to handle it because we don't know what this person's going through. Mm-hmm <affirmative>. But again, it doesn't, it doesn't involve you in the they're they're channeling all that rage onto you listener, and that's not fair. Yeah. I'm sorry. Good luck. I hope it's resolved
Doree: Me too. Ugh.
Kate: You know what um, is so funny about this episode is that I happen to be menstruating now and also menstruating. I'm doing both at the same time.
Doree: It's like, you're a dual citizen.
Kate: You know what? That's what it is. Well, Doree, thank you. Uh, as always for coming along on this ride with me,
Doree: Kate, it was truly my pleasure.
Kate: All right, everyone. Talk to you all in the near future.