Mini-Ep 313: Speak Your Quinoa Truth

Doree surprises Kate with her love of a new show and Kate enjoys some human and Costco connection. Then, they compile and answer a hodge-podge of listener questions about everything from how to clean hats, washing quinoa, and improving your handwriting. 

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Kate: Hello, welcome to forever35, a podcast, all about the things we do to take care of ourselves. I am Kate Spencer.

Doree: I am Doree Shafrir,

Kate: And we are not experts.

Doree: No, but we are two friends who like to talk a lot about serums.

Kate: We do. And this is a mini episode where we hear from you. We share your comments and your thoughts, and we answer your questions to the best of our ability

Doree: Indeed. But please do remember. We are a podcast host. We're not experts, and we always encourage you to seek support first and foremost, from a medical and or mental health professional as needed.

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Doree: Kate needs this you guys.

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Kate: And any amount is helpful. It need not be a lot.

Doree: Indeed. Kate, how are you?

Kate: Well, I come bearing news and that is, is that once again, I have purchased a skincare item that I don't need and won't change my life. Okay. Okay. And yet I bought it anyway.

Doree: <laugh> okay.

Kate: Here's the deal? Do our friends over in the G thanks. Just bought it. Podcast. Universe are very big friends of the Algen liquid collagen.

Doree: Yes. They're. They're like evangelical about it.

Kate: Yes. And Caroline or someone in the Facebook group, I'm assuming it was Caroline Moss, our dear friend and host of that podcast posted that it was on sale and it was on sale at Costco. Now, listen, you know, I needed some collapsible laundry baskets <laugh> and I used that as an excuse to order, and it was a good deal. It normally retails for $115 and it was about 73. So even though that's also very expensive, I rationalized it because there was a discount. So I've been sure using it came quickly because, because Costco has an excellent delivery ability. I don't know, always comes very fast, although I'm still waiting on the laundry baskets, I should say. Uh, and so yeah, I have just, I've started trying that out. I don't, I don't even really know what I expect to see from this product. I believe it is the, you know, no disrespect to all products, but it's like, every product is the same old, same old it's like fine lines, no dis

Doree: To all products.

Kate: Well, I mean, you know, or like no disrespect to the copywriters who write the copy, describing what the product does. Sure, sure. But it's like every product claims to do the same thing. I know like, oh, vitamin C does this a little bit different than let's say a glycolic acid, but let's be honest. They're all making the same claims. <laugh>

Doree: Okay. Okay.

Kate: So is this gonna change my life? Is it gonna do anything look, probably not. Am I trying to fill a void? Sure.

Doree: Okay. Okay.

Kate: But I will say on a less superficial note, Doree, I spent time with friends this weekend and it really refilled my cup if you will. Mm. Um, it was really, really nice. A friend of ours hosted our family and another family that we're friends with at their house for a little like barbecue and hang out in the pool time. And we were there for like eight hours, like from, oh my gosh. To like, we were there from like two to 9, 2 30 to like nine. We were there all day.

Doree: Wow. Okay.

Kate: And it was just, you know what? It was really fun. We had some laughs. We had some burgers, I drank a beer, which I don't normally do. Like I just, it was just really fun. Our kids had a great time and it was like, I just, I just was reminded of like how, how people being around your friends and people can really just fill you, you know, fill you up. They can, it can really bring you up. And that was incredibly nourishing because I've just been feeling kind of just really down lately. Yeah. I haven't said that to my friend. I was like, I'm really, I'm so glad you invited us. So I've been so depressed and she was like, oh, what's going on? But I didn't even know what's going on. You know, I

Doree: Know that was really,

Kate: That was nice. I know, you know, I know we, we both are kind of, how are you, how are you kind of feeling in terms of just like, uh, that, that blueness, that we're kind of both in

Doree: AKA

Kate: Depression,

Doree: You know, one thing that I have started doing that I don't normally do is when people ask me how I am, I'm like, actually I'm not great.

Kate: Yes. I think that's so important to answer, honestly. <laugh> yeah.

Doree: I'm like to be honest, not good, not so great. Um, which like leads to a lot of, or, I mean, I haven't done, it's not like a lot. I haven't done it like a thousand times, but like, people are definitely like, oh, well like, do you wanna talk? Or I, I was actually on the phone with a friend this morning, um, who lives on the east coast. And she was like, how are you? I was like, you know, in like a grand cosmic sense, I'm fine.

Kate: That's a nice way of putting it.

Doree: But on like a day to day level, I'm not so great. And so what I'm doing right now is just trying to kind of soldier through. Um, and yeah, so I'm trying to just like articulate it a little bit more because I think a lot of times when we ask people, like, how are you? It's not that we expect them to be like, everything's great. It's just like, eh, I think there can be a tendency to sort of just gloss over. What's really going on. Yeah. And that doesn't mean that I like am just like unloading <laugh>, you know what I mean?

Kate: <laugh> of course, which you're welcome to do if I ask you how you're doing. Totally. You're welcome. And unloading.

Doree: Yeah. But, um, so yeah, so that's one thing I've started doing another thing that I did this weekend, Kate and I haven't told you this and it was actually hard to keep this a secret.

Kate: Oh my gosh. I'm so

Doree: Tell her on the pod. I watched all of heart stopper.

Kate: You did. Oh, you did.

Doree: I did.

Kate: Did it make you feel good inside?

Doree: I loved it. It was so great. Oh God.

Kate: Aren't they? The sweetest teens you ever did meet, they

Doree: Sweetest teens. Oh, I'm just the, the, the music is so good. Mm-hmm <affirmative> the, the story's so great. I just really, I really, really enjoyed it. I love the characters. It's really wonderful. So thank you for that rest, Netflix, you and another.

Kate: I'm so happy.

Doree: Yeah. You and another friend had like really strongly recommended it. Um, and I was finally like, you know what? I think that this will be a pick me up and it was, and it's also nice is it was eight episodes and they're each half an hour. So like, it's very, it's very manageable. It actually left me wanting more, which I feel like a lot of TV shows these days. You're like, okay, <laugh> I get it.

Kate: <laugh> get on with it.

Doree: Get on with it. But this, I was like, oh, there's only eight episodes. Wait, why is it only half an hour? That's not long enough.

Kate: <laugh> oh, wow. Doree. That's impressive. Because I do feel like you have mentioned that when a show stretches into the like 43 minute zone, you're like, come on.

Doree: You know, it reminded me a bit of sex education,

Kate: Which I, which I still need to, which

Doree: I know you have not watched, but which is an hour long show. And I, I actually feel like heart stopper. I get why it was half an hour. And like, it is sort of like delicious and like kind of snacky. Yeah. Um, and cute and sweet. And so I get that the half hour, like makes sense for it. But I, I was like, well, I do think sex education is a, is a great hour long that deals with some similar themes. And, and it lets the hour like, lets them sort of get a little deeper into each of the characters and their families. Like, I, that was one thing that I like, I almost like wanted maybe because I am the age of like their parents, but I was like, I want more what's going on? Why, why, why Haven? We seen L's family. Like I was

Kate: Just like, did they not wanna now? Oh my gosh. I know. Did

Doree: They not wanna pay more actors? Like what is happening here?

Kate: Maybe in season two, we're gonna get more of L

Doree: I Hope's for two seasons.

Kate: I know I'm so

Doree: A two season pickup. So like we'll, I mean we better see more of Elle and L's family it's

Kate: It seemed really

Doree: Sorry about, it was interesting. Just like another note on the parents, no one had a two parent household or if they did, the second parent was never mentioned or seen <laugh>, which again, I was like's

Kate: Interesting fun. You're right.

Doree: Was there a budget cut? What's going on here? <laugh>

Kate: I do love that. You're you're considering production as you watch these shows <laugh>

Doree: It's like, I, yeah. I feel like now that's happening. That's my like yeah. Well, did they spend their whole budget on Olivia Coleman? And they're like, no more parents.

Kate: I mean, Olivia Coleman, we don't need to get into the weeds on this show, but like she definitely doesn't, she doesn't have a big part, but they're using her name, like as a entryway to the show.

Doree: Oh For Sure.

Kate: Yes. You don't need Olivia Coleman. I mean, she's a lovely act. She's an amazing actress, but on this show, you know, she's like, she's just kind of whatever.

Doree: Yeah. So I don't know. Anyway. Um, yeah. So I wanted to tell you that I really enjoyed it. I highly recommend it. Um, and yeah,

Kate: Well, I really appreciate you saving that little tidbit for me on the podcast long. It's a fun treat to get a surprise on this show. I

Doree: Know I almost texted you so many times and then I was like, Nope, ill save it for the pod.

Kate: <laugh> thank you. I'm very honored. Well, listen, let's take a break. And when we come back, we've got some listeners to hear from, with just some really interesting questions, you know, just a fun, this is a real kind of hodgepodge of questions that I, I enjoyed reading.

Doree: All right. Let's take a break. We'll

Kate: Okay. So here's an interesting question that we're gonna start. This person wrote to us and they asked.

Text: in your opinions, is it rude to do chores in front of slash around house guests? I'm an introvert with anxiety who struggles with keeping still. And I find myself doing chores around my guests. And I wonder if I'm being rude without realizing it by doing so.

Doree: Hmm. This is one of those where I feel like I need more information. Like what kind of chores are we talking about here?

Kate: And also what kind of guests

Doree: And also what kind of guests and how long have they been there and what are they doing? And if it's like a dinner party and you're upstairs vacuuming. Yes. I think that's rude.

Kate: <laugh> yes. Yes. I agree. But if it's someone who's staying at your house for a week and you're like doing it, you know, cleaning the bathroom or sweeping the yeah. Kitchen or whatever, not rude. No. That's a part of your daily life and you shouldn't yeah. Withhold that while you have a house guest. Yeah, I do. And I, you know, sometimes like if a friend, like comes over just to like hang out and chat, I would stand there and like wash dishes or like wipe down the kitchen counter or fold laundry while they're there.

Doree: Totally. But it sounds like you would do, you would do chores that are still like, you're still able to like, engage with the guest.

Kate: Yes.

Doree: And I wonder if this person is doing it to cuz they say they struggle with, with anxiety and keeping still, am I just wonder if they're doing it to sort of avoid hanging out with the guest?

Kate: Mm.

Doree: Which I do think is like a little bit rude, but again, depends on context. If it's someone who's been at your house for three days, go ahead. Do whatever you want. There it's someone who's like coming over for an hour to have like an intimate conversation with you then like maybe don't

Kate: The other thing I would say is that this obviously depends. I think on your community, I don't wanna be pres presumptuous because I, this is something I would feel comfortable saying to people in my life, but I know that it's not the case for everybody, but I think you could also be honest and just say, I'm sorry, I'm feeling anxious. I just, this helps me kind of ground myself or, you know, there might be ways to kind of communicate it. So, um, you know, it's not just like, why is Kate scrubbing the sink right now in the middle of dinner? You know? I think totally. I think people are ha have a, have a more, a deeper understanding of mental health and the ways in which it impacts us. Now. Of course not everybody. I don't wanna be presumptuous, but could try that too. Anyway, if you wanna provide more context, I'd be very curious to what you're talking like a little more dets

Doree: Yeah, we need some more deets

Kate: We need those deets. Deet us up. <laugh>

Doree: All right. Um, next text.

Text: Do you guys eat a lot of quinoa? If so, do you wash it before you cook it? And if so, how? I always just wash it in a bowl like I do with rice, then I lose a significant amount down the sink. Do they make collanders tiny enough for quinoa ?

Kate: Now? I'm so fascinated as to why you reached out to us about this question, because I mean, we are renowned chefs.

Doree: We are renowned quinoa experts,

Kate: Quinoa. We love a grain. We love a whole grain. I appreciate the fact that you want to know this about Dorry and I, I, or about dry me rather. I do eat quinoa. I don't wash it. There you go. Okay. But I just Googled, how can I strain quinoa? And someone wrote someone, I just Googled this. Someone said simply place quinoa in your French press. Fill it with cold water and

Doree: Wow. Okay.

Kate: I think this is how to strain quinoa without like a calendar.

Doree: Oh, interesting.

Kate: I do have collanders like very thin wire ones that are, you are able to strain quinoa with. I find it annoying. Cause then you have to scrape it out of the collander.

Doree: Yeah, totally. Do you Eat quinoa?

Kate: We've never discussed. This is not something I know about you.

Doree: Um, you know, I have eaten quinoa. I used to have, I used to make a really yummy quinoa caserole I haven't made it in, I haven't made it in years. Um, but it was, it was, it was a real, I would say staple of my diet for a while. It was very easy and had a lot of veggies and cheese and it might have been when I wasn't eating meat at all. I don't remember, but, um, a very good stand, like standby workhorse recipe, but I have not eaten Quin a long time. I, I don't love it. I don't love the taste. I don't particularly

Kate: Love the consistency. I know it's like really good for you. Quote unquote, but eh, doesn't really do it for me. Just gonna speak my quinoa truth. Okay. I mean, I, I honor it, you know, there's no need, you don't have to eat quinoa so much. Um, so I did wanna say get yourself like a, a fine mesh strainer, but also like, I just did a very basic Google and stuff comes up right away. Like I think there are, you know, there's click baby articles about quinoa strainers. I think there might even be specific ones, so you're gonna be fine. But that being said, I just made quinoa the other day and I dumped it right into the pot with the water and cooked it and it didn't rinse it. Mm-hmm <affirmative> and also I'm really bad about rinsing rice. Just feel like I need to say it. Okay. Okay. Do you rinse your rice every time you make rice? Not every time. Okay. Sometimes I try to and I do with the rice cooker, but sometimes I'm just like, I'm too lazy. I know it's not good. I'm sorry.

Kate: Well, all we're just gonna have to have to accept me as I am.

Doree: I'm gonna have to think about that one, but all well,

Kate: let, let's play this voicemail, which asks a question that's kind of in keeping with this theme completely arbitrary. I like an arbitrary theme. Me too.

Voicemail: Hi, Kat and Dor. I hope my traffic background noise is not too distracting, but I just had to pause the pod with all this hat talk. I have a question, how are we cleaning out hats? I feel like our hats are prime absorbers of sweat, sunscreen and other things that we don't want hanging around on our forehead. So what do we do? How do we clean our house? What lost of advice. Thank you.

Kate: So, when I first heard this email, I thought the question was, how do we clean our house?

Doree: Oh, and you were like sweat.

Kate: And like, it's like, oh, Swiffer. And then I like lug the vacuum in and I have a Dyson handheld. That's really good. And then I realized the collar was asking, how do we clean our hats?

Doree: Mm-hmm <affirmative>.

Kate: And this left me wondering if you even clean your hats, do you wash your hats?

Doree: I wash, um, like sport caps. Mm-hmm <affirmative>.

Kate: like your tennis cap?

Doree: Like my tennis cap. I do wash and my, I do wash baseball caps.

Kate: How, like you put it in a laundry bag and then wash it.

Doree: Sometimes I just throw them in the washing machine.

Kate: Okay. I mean, we come from a generation. I mean, at least I did where it was cool for your hat to be like the bill to be super bent. Do you remember this?

Doree: I do remember this

Kate: And, and look really worn in. And so people used to put their hats in the dishwasher. That's what I feel. I very specifically remember doing is dish washing hats.

Doree: I don't put my hat in the dishwasher.

Kate: I don't either. I would never do that now, but that is a sure, sure. A memory that I have.

Doree: Hmm.

Kate: I don't wash hats. So I should do that.

Doree: You know, I was thinking like a straw hat. I don't know story what?

Kate: You can't wash a straw hat. You just have to let it.

Doree: No, you can't, right? Yeah. Yeah.

Kate: So,

Doree: I mean, maybe you could like sponge, like sponge it. Can

Kate: I suggest that maybe Rothy's starts making hats?

Doree: Oh yes. Kate, You may suggest that podcast

Kate: Sponsor Roth's they make washable shoes that you can easily throw in the dishwasher. Maybe they try try their hands at a hat.

Doree: Okay.

Kate: But yes, I do think like do is suggesting a sports cap, especially something that you are like hiking or running or walking in. You gotta clean that off because that's getting right on your forehead and all that sweat and crime can, can it clog a pour?

Doree: Yeah.

Kate: We gotta keep those pores fresh.

Doree: We do

Kate: Alright well. Let's take a break

Doree: Okay. Let's do we'll be right back.

Kate: Well, we're back. We're here with a new question. Here we are.

Email: Hi, Kate and Doree. I'm loving my one line a day journal. These days I started almost two years ago, oddly, exactly. One year to the day before my son was born. Now that I'm over a year in, it's fun to go back and read about what I was up to the previous year as I fill in the latest entry. My problem is that my handwriting is terrible. Sometimes I can barely read it. I've never had great handwriting, but it seems to be getting worse in the last few years. It's also not likely helped by the fact that the space in the journal is so small. My handwriting is a little better when I have a little more room. Do you or your, any listeners have advice on how to improve handwriting as an adult? I'm not just concerned for my journal. I'd like things like handwritten, thank you. Notes and birthday cards to be legible to the people I love.

Doree: What an interesting question.

Kate: Yeah. I mean, I definitely understand what this listener's saying. My handwriting has gotten sloppy as I've gotten older and I think that's due to the fact that we hand write less or at least I do.

Doree: Mm-hmm <affirmative> mm-hmm <affirmative>

Kate: Has yours changed over time?

Doree: I don't think so.

Kate: Okay. The other thing I've noticed about my own handwriting is when I'm in a rush, it's a lot gross. So if I slow down oh, okay. And really take my time. Mm-hmm <affirmative> the penmanship is better. Um, but I, I don't know if like you should buy a little handwriting book and practice your handwriting, or if you just like, take a pause and go slow.

Doree: Okay.

Kate: That's my suggestion. Do you have thoughts on this?

Doree: Yeah, I feel like as with everything there must be like, I feel like if you go, if you looked up on YouTube, like handwriting lessons <laugh> you would like find some,

Kate: Let's see, let's look right now. Handwriting lessons for adults. The other thing that I do, oh, wow. Skillshare has handwriting classes. Oh, there's tons of information on this. I don't know if it's probably like leaning into calligraphy. The one thing I do kind of wonder about handwriting and I'm sure there's an expert out there who can tell us, but is it something that you can actively change or is it a part of you? Because my handwriting feels so organic and exten and like an extension of myself that I'm not sure I would be able to change it.

Doree: Mm.

Kate: You know what I mean? It's like, if you grow up with a Boston accent, your entire life, and then you have to actively work to get rid of it, like, it's, that's very hard. These things that are almost imprinted on us, if you will shout out to Twilight.

Doree: Yeah. But like, you can change an accent.

Kate: Right. Right. So it might just TA it might be that kind of challenge.

Doree: Mm-hmm <affirmative>

Kate: I mean, as a young person, I wanted so desperately to write my A's the fancy way. What's the fancy a, do you know what I mean? Like fancy a type way. A typewriter lowercase. A I'm sure this has a name. Oh yeah,

Doree: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know exactly what you mean.

Kate: There were like, I, I was obsessed with other people's handwriting and you know, like girls who had like bubble dots over the eyes. Yes. And stuff like that.

Doree: Totally. And I

Kate: Really wanted to write my A's like that like cool way. And I tried so hard to train myself on it and I never, it never became habit. Like it, it is really hard.

Doree: Okay. That's all

Kate: Now I, I do still, I can still sign my name with a horse head so that I can still do also though that the one line of day journal lines are very tiny. I will. I see that listener it's yes.

Doree: All right. Well, should we hear another voicemail?

Kate: Please lay it on me.

Voicemail: Hi, First. Um, I'm getting in August and I think you might have touched on this before, but how did you decide to keep your last name. And, for listeners, how did you make the decision to either change or keep your last name. The other is, I am most likely going to be doing my own makeup for my wedding. Um, I'm getting married at a national park and it's just going, be easier if I do it myself, I don't have a lot of experience with makeup. So does anyone have any for doing your own makeup for an event? Thanks so much,

Doree: Kate, what do you think about this? The name changing question, I guess is my, is my first,

Kate: It was never a decision for me. I I've known my whole life that I would never change my last name. So it wasn't like I sat and like hummed and Ha'd and made like a pros and cons list. Like, this is the name, I, this is my name. So it was never a discussion. It was never, you know, I think when my husband and I were like talking about getting married, I was like, just FYI. I ain't becoming one of you. I'm me. Now, if you want to take on your partner's name, go for it. And I have friends who have done all sorts of things. I've had, you know, friends combine their last names or create new last names or in heterosexual relationships. I've had friends whose husbands have taken their wives last name. I mean, like I've seen everything. So like there's, no, this is a dated practice that we are all still welcome to partake in, but like, there's no right way to do it, I guess, is what I'm saying. You do whatever you want. And if you want to make it something you collaborate on with your partner. Great. But my opinion is like, you do whatever you want. Some people want a new last name for various reasons. It makes them, you know, feel a part connected to their partner or their family. You're like, you just hate your last name. Everybody has a reason. I just like also, I, I don't know. I just can't imagine my name being anything, but what it already is.

Doree: Yeah. Same. I mean, part of, I mean, Kate, you got married, like relatively young, um,

Kate: 29, I think.

Doree: Yeah. I mean, I like in the course of history, of course that's not that young, but like, <laugh>

Kate: Sure, you know, in the course of like 2000 and whatever, this is 22.

Doree: Yeah, yeah. Feels young. Um, and so I, I, sometimes I feel like I sometimes hear women who get married sort of on the younger side, say like, oh, well, you know, it wasn't a big deal. I just like that they didn't have a career really established yet. And so like, it wasn't a big deal to them to change their names. Mm-hmm <affirmative>, mm-hmm <affirmative> um, I mean, I got married at 38, so like I felt the total opposite where I was like, I have, you know, I have this name, that, and I have an unusual name.

Kate: Mm.

Doree: You know, so I just feel like it's already out there and like, I, yes, I could have done the thing where it's like, you know, you read those wedding announcements. Like the bride will keep her name professionally. It's like, that feels confusing to me too. <laugh> I dunno. It just, again, like, for me, it just never, it was never even a thought. Also my mom didn't change her name.

Kate: See my mom did.

Doree: Which was like more unusual, you know, at the time. Um, although, you know, I grew up in a sort of like liberal Boston suburb in the eighties and nineties. And there were plenty of kids with hyphenated, last names and moms who had kept their names, but it wasn't the majority. And so I think I just, you know, people say, well, you know, won't it be weird to have your whole family not have the same last name? It's like, well, no. Like I grew up with my mom not having my same last name and who, you know, it wasn't a big deal. People often called her Mrs. Shrier. And she sort of like laughed it off. But like, other than that, it didn't really matter. My favorite is when I is, when I like, when I make like a hotel reservation or yes. Something, and then they, they call Matt Mr. Shrier. And I'm

Kate: Like, me too. I love that so much. Yeah. I think to this listener, I just say like, do whatever feels good for you? You know, totally whatever you need first is the right decision. And then I think if it's something you wanna, you know, discuss with your partner, do that after you've decided your partner, if their last name to yours

Doree: Indeed.

Kate: You know, as for the, doing your own makeup, first of all, getting married in national park. That sounds beautiful. Congratulations. How exciting I find that my mantra from when I'm doing my own makeup is keep it simple, stupid that old phrase mm-hmm <affirmative>, mm-hmm, <affirmative> like less is more. And I think ultimately makeup on your wedding day is about the, is about pictures. Is that bad to say?

Doree: Yeah. You know what I would suggest is doing a trial run.

Kate: Yes. Good call.

Doree: Do a trial run and take some pictures in different lighting and see how it looks and then adjust accordingly.

Kate: You're so smart. That's such a good idea.

Doree: Oh, well thank you, Kate. Cause what I always, what I always do find is like makeup that is done for pictures always looks so garish to me. And then the pictures come out and I look totally normal. Um, and when I do my own makeup for pictures, I always think I've put on a lot, but then I get the pictures back and I look like a ghost we've had no

Kate: We've gone through this together. Like Doree and I took photographs together and we did our own makeup and we looked like we had no makeup. I mean, it was, we it's like it didn't and then we had our makeup professionally done for photos.

Doree: Oh my God. I'm wearing so much makeup. And then we got the mirror and I was like, oh, we look nice. <laugh>

Kate: Yeah. Right. It's just, it's makeup is truly like, it, it is a tool for how you're gonna look. I mean, also obviously it's a tool for real life, but you know what I'm saying? I feel like with these wedding photos. Yes. So I think that's a great idea. Um, if you're having a photographer or if you have a friend who's a photographer, you could also ask them for tips. And then maybe like, I think it's always, you know, you can always go to, if you live near like a local makeup store check in there, but I would say you want like a basic lighter found, you know, lighter weight foundation, some cheat color, a mascara and a lip color. And then like maybe you get into a, did I say concealer? I don't know.

Doree: Um, I don't think so.

Kate: And like maybe a brow gel, you know,

Doree: Mm-hmm,

Kate: <affirmative> clear. That's that's like basic all you need. And then if you wanna add on there, add on also, I bet again, noting a YouTube. You can find everything on YouTube. I was ju I was just thinking that and fucking TikTok, the quinoa salad I made for lunch last week, TikTok.

Doree: Ooh,

Kate: It wasn't that good.

Doree: Okay.

Kate: I'm not gonna link to it. It wasn't like blow my mind quinoa salad, but that is what I've been eating for the last four days.

Doree: Okay. Okay.

Kate: Well, listeners as always, what an honor it is that you trust us with such a variety of questions,

Doree: Indeed.

Kate: Like I'm, I'm genuinely flattered. Thank you for sharing these inquiries with us.

Doree: All right, everyone.

Kate: All right off we go.

Doree: Bye.

 
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