Mini-Ep 281: We Can't Not Age
Kate’s got a podcast obsession to share and Doree’s found some new fancy prods to recommend. Then, listeners ask about how to handle people commenting on their bodies, share the joys of jazzercise, and offer up more inside deets on the generic product world.
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Kate: Hello, and welcome to forever35, a podcast about the things we do to take care of ourselves. I'm Kate Spencer,
Doree: and I am Doree Shafrir,
Kate: and we are not a experts.
Doree: No, but we are two friends who like to talk a lot about serums.
Kate: Mm Doree's gonna lay on some serum. Talk on us today.
Doree: I am get ready everyone.
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Kate: Mm that's. All the stuff.
Doree: it is. It sure is.
Kate: Uh, I have been binge listening to the podcast maintenance phase.
Doree: Okay. Kate, I didn't put this in there, but what's so funny is I have also been listening to maintenance phase.
Kate: Stop. It's so good. Like once you get going, I've, I've listened to it sporadically, but now I'm like I'm in that space where I'm like, I only wanna hear them. I only want their voices in my ears. So that's so funny. Okay. Well, did you listen to the sleep loss epidemic episode?
Doree: No, I have listened. I just listened to the supersize me, which was their most recent one. And then I listened to illness, influencer bell Gibson. I'm kinda walking my way backwards.
Kate: So I, I mean, if you aren't familiar with maintenance phase, it is a podcast that's really focused on debunking diet, culture, junk science, culture, wellness culture, And it's really funny and really well done. So it's like you learn something, but also there's a fantastic laugh that comes along with it. And the hosts, Michael and Aubrey, Michael Hobbs and Aubrey Gordon, like they just have a chemistry. That's really fun. You know, a friendship. Yeah. Well, I, I just thought this, this episode was really interesting and I wanted to recommend it in case people haven't heard of the podcast before and all their episodes are, are excellent. But this one really kind of spoke to me as someone who's like talked here on this podcast about like kind of being obsessive about getting enough sleep and being an early riser. And is there science that suggests that sleep, you know, makes us better and more healthy and all, all those things. And they did a really excellent job kind of debunking this one book about, um, sleep loss. And I just found it, I really learned something and it was helpful in terms of my own urges to get swept up in like, you know, well illness conversation about sleep.
Doree: Yeah. So wait, what's the kind of TLDR.
Kate: So basically there's this professor or scientist, there's this guy who writes this book called the sleep loss epidemic. That's basically suggesting that, you know, people are not sleeping enough and it's resulting in chronic illness, you know, like you're gonna get cancer or Alzheimer's, if you don't get enough sleep. And essentially they detail how like a 23 year old, uh, who just kind of happened upon the book, went through and debunked all, all the, um, hypotheses laid out in this sleep loss epidemic book. And this book had been like very popular and kind of, you know, the beginning of this conversation about like sleep and wellness. And so this, the author was all over the place and it just, it was, it was, I really like their podcast because it helps me kind of like reground my thinking on certain things.
Doree: Interesting.
Kate: And They do a, they, what they also do is they do excellent job kind of, uh, you know, like remind and they do this in the supersize me episode too, like reiterating the fact that RA, uh, race and class often play a role in these things. Like what, like somebody might not be getting enough sleep, not because they want to, but because they're working a night shift job or they're working, uh, two jobs, you know what I mean? Like there's, and, and so, and these, a lot of these kind of junk science books don't address the ways in which things like racism, classism impact what they're researching. So I really appreciate that. They point that out too. So it's just a great podcast. I'm I think a lot of our listeners are already tuned into maintenance phase, but, um,
Doree: Yeah, totally
Kate: Definitely recommend.
Doree: Um, yeah, it's a, it's a great show. I mean, the, the supersize me episode was just so interesting because that documentary was such a touchstone of the odds.
Kate: Yes. Hearing them talk about it. It like took me back to when I first totally.
Doree: Yeah. So funny. Um, anyway, so yes, maintenance phase, great podcast has the forever 35 seal of approval.
Kate: Well, I will say like one thing that I go odd out of this episode that kind of aligned with my day to day as they were kind of debunking these, the, these studies that tried to suggest that, you know, lack of sleep can lead to diagnoses of cancer. And I went and did my kind of pre I did a screening, uh, at the pancreatic cancer, uh, center at Cedar sign eye. And so it was helpful for me to hear that because I tend to get very scared that I am going to get I'm ver I am very scared. I'm gonna get cancer, get pancreatic cancer, which my mom had. And so I appreciated them, their calm dialogue around things like this. Um, yeah, that was just like very grounding to be listening to as I was on my way to learn about, you know, how high risk I am in terms of also getting pancrea cancer, which it turns out like I'm high risk, but not like the highest, highest, highest, like I'm I'm. Okay. So that was nice to
Doree: Know. Okay, good. I'm glad to hear that.
Kate: So that's my, that's what I'm up to Doree ultimate health, self care, and listening to podcasts.
Doree: You know, it's funny because our next week, um, we're gonna be talking a lot about chronic illness and invisible illness. And I think some of what they talk about on maintenance face sort of dovetails with some stuff that she writes about. So stay tuned for that. Kate, on a totally different note. I wanted to just talk about some products that I got recently that I'm enjoying and you know, me, I mean, I'm, I'm a sort of like new product skeptic.
Kate: Oh, I know you.
Doree: I mean, I'm not, I, I should say that, but like I, someone who's like, oh, I found the thing that works. Yeah, great.
Kate: You're a loyalist.
Doree: So yeah, I'm a loyalist. And so, you know, when, when companies email us and, and we're very lucky to be able to get these emails where people are like, we wanna send you stuff. Like sometimes I'm like, you know what? I I'm I'm good. But this company, I was intrigued, the company is called Kypris and they sent us some product. And I was like, oh, hello. They sent us some stuff. They asked us kind of like what our skincare concerns were. And I was like, look, my skin has been dry AF lately. So anything to, to just help moisturize. And they were like, we got you. So they sent me some of their antioxidative do their beauty elixir one and their puff of love moisturizer. Um, they sent me full sizes of those and then a couple samples. Um, one of which was their pot of shade, sunscreen. Okay. So the antioxidant do is like a kind of classic serum and it has, uh, vitamins C and E it has ferulic acid. It has sea algea extracts. It has something called DPHP that they say is a botanically derived amino acid that smooth skin's appearance to enhance your luminous glow.
Kate: Hmm. Don't mind if I do.
Doree: I mean, sure. They describe it as featherweight texture, intense hydration. And I would actually say that that is accurate.
Kate: So you've been using this in the am.
Doree: I have been using those in the am and PM in the, both
Kate: In the, both
Doree: In the both, um, it's, it's like really nice to nicely moisturizing, but yes, like goes on very smoothly. I'm a fan. Um, and then
Kate: Do you use the moisturizer and the Oil in a combo?
Doree: Yes. So they also sent this beauty elixir. Um, they sent me beauty, elixir one a thousand roses, which they say on their website is the most moisturizing of their, they have three of them.
Kate: I think they that's the one they sent me as well.
Doree: Okay. All right. Okay. Okay. Um, and they describe it as a rich moisturizing face oil, and you know what it has in it, CoQ10, baby.
Kate: I know what you like.
Doree: You know what I like? Um, it, it's also really nice and like, I am not a huge face soil person. No, this isn't like a thick face oil. This is, it is. It's more like an elixir. What, um, I really like it. And then they also sent their puff of love moisturizer. Now what I found so interesting about this moisturizer besides the I, that it is very deeply moisturizing. Um, it smells a little bit like good jeans.
Kate: Oh, interesting.
Doree: Yeah. And I was going through the Ingredients. I was going through the ingredients trying to figure out like, what, like what is in here that is making it smell like good jeans and I could not figure it out. Hmm. So T B D on that. But, um, if you don't, I, I will say if you don't like the good jeans scent, you might not like this moisturizer.
Kate: That's a good flag,
Doree: But I like it. And then, um, this morning I also put on their pot of shade, sunscreen, which is a zinc oxide based sunscreen, S P F 30. And it was also really nice. So I I've really, I'm really liking these products. Now, the one thing that I will flag here, they are, the price point is a bit high. So I just wanna note that. But I think if you are someone who's like looking for some luxury pros that are gonna kind of make you feel fancy, these are the ones to get. So there you go. There's, uh, there's our endorsement Of these products, a
Kate: New Kypris fan. I'm
Doree: A I'm Kypris fan. What can I say now on a totally different note? I, no, now that I've bangs, I have to style my hair.
Kate: Ugh. Not fun.
Doree: I can't just like, let it dry. Like I used to. So I've been using the round brush attachment on my Dyson air wrap.
Kate: Okay. Talk me through
Doree: This, which is sort of, it's the same concept as like the Revlon, um, one step, you know what I mean? Like it's like, it's a, it's a, but it's a round, it's a round brush that just attaches to your dent air. And I just sort of like brush it. It's a heated, it's like a heated brush and I brush it through my hair and then I can also style my bang with it. I have also ordered some pros now. They haven't arrived yet, but I, I will report back on them,
Kate: There a brand, a pro that you get like, we're you recommended these prods. What's the history of you with these pros.
Doree: Okay. So one of the things that I was like, oh, this is gonna be a problem is now I did mention previously in this episode that my skin has been very dry. Now my skin has been very dry because the air here has been so dry lately. Oh,
Kate: It's really rough,
Doree: Really rough. And so there's been a lot of like, like I I'm like in my son's playroom and like, there's like static in the air, you know what I mean? Like I touch something and I get a shock. So my hair's been getting sort of like staticky. So I ordered something called that I Google like antistatic spray. And I ordered something called Xstatic. Antistatic hypoallergenic, spray, anti frizz fragrance, free unscented by a company called Science.
Kate: I love the pun.
Doree: There's a lot of puns happen. So I, again, I haven't gotten it yet. Haven't used it yet. We'll report back. But that was one of the things that I was like, oh, I gotta fix this because there's nothing worse than staticy like flat bangs. You know what
Kate: I mean? I mean, I wouldn't know, but I can imagine that would drive one nuts. Yeah.
Doree: Yeah. So, so that is just something that I've been kind of thinking about. Just wanted to keep everyone updated.
Kate: Okay. All right, Doree. Well, your bangs look fantastic.
Doree: Oh, thank, thank you so much. Did
Kate: You have anybody reach out who was like, I suggested you knock at bangs and you've proven me wrong.
Doree: Yes. I had actually many people reach out and say that
Kate: Stop. Really?
Doree: Yeah. Oh. Who or people being like, I was skeptical, but blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, well, you know, you know,
Kate: Sees you understand that point of view.
Doree: I do. I do. You in
Kate: The, all right. Well, alright. Let's take a break. When we come back, we are digging into three listener questions that all kind of exist under the same umbrella.
Doree: Indeed.
Kate: Well be right back.
Doree: Okay. All right. We have returned.
Kate: So it was interesting Doree. We got these messages all kind of around the same time from listeners who had experienced. People in their lives, commenting on their bodies or inquiring what to do if people do comment on their bodies. So I thought it might be kind of interesting to, to read through each of these and, and, um, and think on them a little bit. The, the first person wrote.
Email: Hi Kate and Doree!
Help please!! I went to a new esthetician for a facial last week and she said my skin looked great… for a forty year old. I’m thirty!!! And I think I’m trying!!! I think I embarrassed her or threw her off her normal routine because she didn’t have any recommendations for me. What’s a girl to do??
I currently use Haldi for skincare recs so I know I’m using some good stuff but any anti-aging suggestions? Apparently I need it!
Doree: Wow.
Kate: What I think you need is a new esthetician. Yeah.
Doree: I mean, I agree with that. I,
Kate: I feel like this person, we should not equate the state of our skin or our bodies with age and
Kate: It will take a very large cultural shift for that to happen. But I would rather than buy a bunch of products to try to quote, fix your skin, which up until you saw this person you thought was looking great. I would chalk this up to a person, um, communicating in a way that wasn't appropriate. And I also think
Doree: Like, mm,
Kate: I mean, again, I don't wanna put this all on the listener because these are like cultural shifts that I wish would happen of just like this idea that looking a certain age is good or bad. You know, I get it Lister. I would be spiraling if someone said this to me a hundred percent. Um, and like, obviously if you want some anti-aging, you know, I, I hate that word. If you want some products, you could try adding retinol to your, um, you know, your nighttime routine or, I mean, there's, there's obviously products you can try. But to me, this just feels like a really insensitive comment, um, that I would suggest you, um, Ignore.
Doree: I agree with this. Um, and yeah, I think, I think you can find a new esthetician. Well,
Kate: Yeah, I'm sorry. It's just, so it's just, I know that these comments are made, you know, it's so like culturally accepted to talk about each other this way.
Doree: Yeah.
Kate: And I think we often forget how detrimental it can be to our feelings and our self-esteem and how we think about ourselves when people make these. Um, and I mean, I think you said you use Haldi for skincare Rex. It's my understanding that they're a place where you, like, you know, you answer some questions and they make recommendations for you. So I bet you could reach out there. Um, but I'm hesitant to be like use these products, cuz actually I think what we need is like a change in the, a conversation.
Doree: Yeah. I think that's, that's a really good point. Also. It's hard to recommend products, just sort of blindly, um, when we don't know like what your specific skincare needs are.
Kate: Yeah. And there's so much beyond quote antiaging for our skin, right? Like the that's just such a to made up thing anti you, can't not age. You know what I mean? Like we, We age You can't not do it. So.
Doree: yeah.
Kate: Just stop making this a problem for skin. Boy,
Doree: I feel like you just like banged your gavel.
Kate: Just it's just, it, it makes me so angry that this kind of pressure is put on people. And I mean, I'm gonna, this anger is going to maintain as we continue to hear from these other listeners, because I'm gonna remain pissed off.
Doree: Wow. Okay.
Kate: All right. Why don't you take this next one?
Doree: Okay.
Email: Ugh, Kat and Dor- I’m at a work event and had the worst time getting dressed- essentially had a major body issues-related panic attack… and NOW a former co-worker assumed I am pregnant. I’m DEFINITELY not. So I’m currently hiding in a side room and forcing myself not to run out of here or cry.
Kate: Here we go again. Here we go again. I've had this happen to me. Have you ever had this happen to you?
Doree: I've never had someone say to my face, are you pregnant? Um, when I was not pregnant for, I mean, you know, whatever, I'm just, that's just, that's not a thing that's happened to me. But what I can tell you is that, you know, having done so much stuff with like the infertility community over so many years, like this is so offensive on so many levels. And like, I feel like the first thing that you try to like impart to people is like, never ask if someone is pregnant. Never do it. Never, ever, ever.
Kate: No. never comment on people's bodies.
Doree: Yeah. Never comment on anybody's bodies. If someone is pregnant and they want you to know, they will tell you the end,
Kate: The end. Yeah. I had someone, I was a hostess at a restaurant in Manhattan. And like someone who was waiting for a table was like, you're pregnant. I was like, no, I'm not. And they didn't believe me. They were like, yeah, you are.
Doree: Oh my God.
Kate: No, I'm, I'm not, You know, I think of this. I, I like this sucks. And unfortunately you were already feeling like you were struggling and having a really hard day dealing with body issues, which I empathize with. And then one went and like dumped salt on the open wound of that. Yes. And this person is, you know, ignorant to the fact that this should never be a conversation. And, and I'm trying, I am really also trying to apply this in my own life in terms of like, if I see somebody saying like, oh, you look tired, are you okay? Like that? Even that kind of stuff, cuz I've done that before to people. It's like, I, I just, I need I'm working in my own life and not commenting in that way. Well,
Doree: Yeah. And, and it goes, it also applies to, to things that you perceive as quote unquote positive. Yes. People, you look, you look great. Did you lose weight?
Kate: Yes. Uh,
Doree: Don't say that don't don't comment on people's bodies. Like just don't do it.
Kate: Don't do it. Yes Doree. A 110%. Yes.
Doree: Okay. Okay. All right.
Kate: Anyway, listener, I'm sorry that this happened. Um, and I think if this ever happens again and you feel that you want to use your energy in this way, you can say to the person, uh, no, I'm not pregnant. And also like it's actually really, um, offensive when people ask that question or like, I would be like, I wouldn't talk about, I, I just think there's a way to be like, Hey man, you.
Doree: Yeah.
Kate: If you want to.
Doree: Yeah. And it's so hard in the moment.
Kate: Oh, Hundred percent. I mean, hindsight is wonderful after these moments. Yes, of course. Where you're like, of course I know what I would've said.
Doree: Yes.
Kate: All right. Well here is one final text that kind of falls under this category of conversation.
Email: Kat & Dor, I will soon be attending a professional conference and will be seeing a couple of colleagues in my field who I haven't seen in years. A couple of injuries plus all effects of the pandemic (change in routine, emotional/anxiety eating) means I've gained a significant amount of weight in the last few years. My main concern in this is the history of women in my family with heart disease, stroke and diabetes, of which weight is often a factor. My grandmothers never lived past their 60s. I plan to consult a registered dietician and my primary doctor to address the health issues, but in the mean time, how do I present myself to my former colleagues knowing that I will look very different to how they remember me? Do I openly acknowledge it? Do I pretend it isn't a thing and doesn't bother me even though it does? What strategies can I use to get through this conference feeling good about myself and enjoy my time with old friends?
Kate: And this person is an excellent adventure listener because they listed the square foot of their apartment. And I know that's a sign right to 2,900 square Feet.
Doree: It is. Did they also list the number of hot dogs they've eaten?
Kate: Yes. I did not get that inside joke.
Doree: One Costco hot dog in 2020.
Kate: I love a Costco hot dog.
Doree: Somehow. Like I have, we have actually like, I've forgotten how this came up. And then someone recently like reminded us how it came up and I still have forgotten, but some how Matt once brought up, like how many hot do, like, I think he almost said it as a joke. Like how many hot dogs have you eaten this year? And then he got into a whole thing about like what counts as a hot dog.
Kate: in hot dogs?
Doree: In his taxonomy though. A vegan hot dog does not count what I, I do not agree with this, but this is what he has. He like, he has imposed very like sort of arbitrary, specific rules. Um, anyway, so yes, a lot of eggheads sign off with the square footage of their and hots they've eaten or how, how and or how many hot dogs people in their households have eaten. Like sometimes it's like, I haven't eaten any hot dogs, but my six year old has eaten like four
Kate: I, my, my nine year old had a hot dog for lunch today. And she's having one for dinner because we're doing this food color cha family challenge that they wanted to do based on a YouTube video. So, oh, she's only eating red foods. So she's eating hot dogs with ketchup.
Doree: Oh, wow. Okay. Yeah. So then in, you know, in your case you might say zero hot dogs in 2022, but my nine year old is, is going to be eating her second tonight. If you were emailing us and signing off,
Kate: I'm really glad we clarified this. Thank you for explaining the, the history of these sign. Well, of course, What you, what would tou tell this listener, Doree?
Doree: I would tell this listener not to say anything. What would you do?
Kate: I would say your body is none of their business. I think if, and you don't have to say anything like there there's in doing so I understand the urge to kind of protect yourself because it's that feeling of, like, if I say something first, then they'll know that I know I've had at least that is how it is for me, because I have felt similarly in certain situations about various things. Um, I think if you were having an intimate conversation and it comes up in an organic way that feels nurturing for you with one of these old friends then great,
Doree: Mmmm
Kate: You certainly don't need to make any sort of pronouncements or apologies for or explanations about your body bodies change and they're fluid. And they grow in different ways and different things happen to them. But you don't owe anybody any explanations about how your body might have changed.
Doree: Amen.
Kate: Boy, I, I, I, I hate that this is our world. It's so accepted to just comment in this way and observe and touch. I just, I hate it. The, the, it just drives me freaking nuts.
Doree: Yeah.
Kate: That's all. Thank you for sharing those experiences with us, everybody.
Doree: Yeah. Well, okay. Hey, let's take another break. And when we come back, we have some thoughts on completely different topics.
Kate: Let's do It.
Doree: All right. All right. Well, Kate, let's hear a voicemail. Shall we?
Kate: I would love to.
Doree: Okay.
Voicemail: Hey, I had finally had a pause, the pod moment of driving home from jazzercise listening to your most recent guest. And then you guys start talking about how you might try jazzercise and you have to try jazzercise Kate and Doree. Its the best thing ever. And 58 I've been doing it for 25 years. It's so fun. It's it's changed over time. It's there's multiple formats, but the main class is like 40 minutes of aerobic dance and 20 minutes of weight training and the aerobic dance part includes kickboxing, Pilates. Um, little bit of yoga. I mean there's, there's, there's a little bit of everything thrown in there. Great music. I have so many friends from jazzercise. It's a Social fun thing. You Really have to try it. It's the best. Love listening to you guys. Thanks guys.
Doree: Kate, what if we become Jazzercise heads?
Kate: I'm not opposed to becoming such a thing. I think it would be really fun.
Doree: I think so too.
New Speaker: I do,
Doree: you know, I love a group cardio dance class.
Kate: Oh I do. I do. And I feel like, you know, we've been deprived that sensation for the last two years. So breaking into a cardio dance and mean I do do a step aerobics class on Mondays. And it was, I did it today and it's very fun. I mean, I was jamming on that step. Uh, I, I would try jazzercise, but I, I looked up classes near me and it looks like it's all streaming still looks like we're not having live classes in the Los Angeles county area. So I need to do a little more research, but I would totally go try a jazzer size class. It seems really fun.
Doree: All right, let's do it.
Kate: Okay. Okay. And I also just appreciate, we have a 50 year old listener that just was like totally wait Linda. Hear for someone.
Doree: And let's talk about the fact that she's been doing jazzer size for 20 years.
Kate: Yeah. That's a Testament to the joy. It must bring,
Doree: I mean we stand a long time chaser size head.
Kate: I think you've called them chaser size heads.
Doree: I mean, that's what they're called. Right.
Kate: It's a very long name for them, but I like it. Maybe jazz heads.
Doree: Oh jazzes. I like that.
Kate: But I know what you mean jazz heads. That's already claimed by fancy jazz. Yeah.
Doree: Yeah. Right. So.
Kate: maybe they have a name and we don't know about it yet.
Doree: I mean, please let us know if that is the case.
Kate: I also just think it's, it is nice when you find a community in those places. And I, I love that. It's more than just, you know, like a way to go get your heart rate up for a few minutes a day. Wonderful. Thank you for and thank you for inspiring us.
Doree: Yeah.
Kate: All right. Well, we're gonna end with a voicemail that circles back to the conversation we've been having about generic products versus brand products.
Voicemail: Hey, Kat and Dor just wanted to continue the conversation about generic versus name brand and stuff like that. I work for a snack company, uh, a popcorn company and we make what's called a bunch of private label, um, products for all different companies. And then we sell our own as well. We sell our own branded product and then we make a bunch of popcorn for other folks in their packaging. So, you know, like for example, I've come across like string cheese, like mix and then if you buy an organic, um, say target brand or something, you can notice that the packaging, the actual same for example. Um, so you know, it just depends who the manufacturer is, um, of everything and who makes that product. It's only gonna be one other company that makes that, that replicate, um, product. So I don't know, thought that was, um, just wanted to add my 2 cents and left the pod.
Doree: This kinda reminds me of the whole thing about how, um, like Kirkland brand products that are sold at Costco are often made by the same factories that make like other name brand products, like the diapers and the formula. Mm. I mean, are brands just a big scam?
Kate: Yeah. It's a brand scam.
Doree: brand scam.
Kate: or a bram.
Doree: Wow.
Kate: I mean, yes. Right. I mean, this has been very important for me to hear because I as mentioned, I'm the person who's like, Ooh, this one's $2 more, gotta have ibuprofen, you know, like I'm so swayed. So,
Doree: oh, I mean, when it comes to ibuprofen, I buy the generic all the time.
Kate: I mostly do.
Doree: But in that particular example, I almost always buy the generic. It's so much cheaper.
Kate: I know.
Doree: Advil brand ibuprofen is so expensive. Oh my God.
Kate: I know. Yeah. But I mean, this may also made me hungry for string cheese, but I did appreciate that Like insider info that if you just kind of check out the packaging,
Doree: you know what I bought recently, that was a generic that I've been pleased with supermarket brand organic tampons.
Kate: Oh, what supermarket brand would that be? Vons?
Doree: Um, no, I believe it was Kroger.
Kate: Okay. A little Ralphs action. Oh, oh, Doree and intriguing. Well that's guy now. It's not like Kroger is out there making their own tampons.
Doree: No. Anyway, just wanted to bring that into the discussion.
Kate: I'm glad that we've solved the brands or scams. That is an important thing to finally figure out. All right. Well, I think that brings us to the end of the episode Doree.
Doree: It does. It does. Kate. It's been a pleasure,
Kate: so much fun as always. Thank you listeners. We just love you.
Doree: Okay. Bye everyone.