Mini-Ep 280: Norm-Core House Tour
Kate lives her best celebrity gossip life and Doree deals with the rust issue in her closet. Then, listeners let Kate know she’s inspired their new butter eating habit, tell Doree not to parent with bangs, and ask how to grieve over and let go of traditions as you grow older.
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Kate Spencer: Hello, and welcome to forever 35 podcast about the things that we do to take care of ourselves. I am Kate Spencer
Doree Shafrir: And I am Dory Shafrir,
Kate Spencer: And we are not experts.
Doree Shafrir: No, but as discussed, we are two friends who like to talk a lot about serums.
Kate Spencer: Indeed, we are Doree. And this is a mini episode where we hear from you and we share your comments on your thoughts, and we answer your questions to the best of our ability. That is true. But please remember we are podcast hosts, not experts. And we do always urge you to seek support first and foremost, from a medical and or mental health professional as needed. So, you know, you can, you can listen to our advice. You can take our advice, but like sometimes at the end of the day, you just really need to talk to someone who has degree in this stuff.
Kate Spencer: Yeah. Talk to a professional, but listen to this podcast too.
Doree Shafrir: Totally.
Kate Spencer: Well, look, if you would like to, to reach us, you can leave us a voicemail or send us a text message at 7 8 1 5 9 1 0 3 9 0. And our email is forever35podcast@gmail.com.
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New Speaker: I mean, I, I also just wanna say pre-order my book assign a copy. You can pre-order, you can. Pre-order a assign copy of my book link is in the show notes. I would love to, to sign a book for you. So please do that. That's all.
Kate Spencer: So yes, Doree I have some breaking news.
Doree Shafrir: Okay. I'm listening.
Kate Spencer: I caved and I finally brought, bought goop skincare products.
Doree Shafrir: Okay. What did you buy?
Kate Spencer: Okay. I, let me just first say that I was literally swayed by a video. I saw of Gweneth Paltro and I don't even know where I saw this, but she's talking about the goop Gene's nourishing, repair, body butter and how she puts it on every day and she just made it look so appealing that I was like, okay, I'm gonna get that. And then,
Doree Shafrir: Wow.
Kate Spencer: And then when we had Kulap Vilaysack on the show and Kulap said that she uses the goopgenes all in one nourishing eye cream. So I was like, oh, okay, well I'll just throw that in the cart. and Then I, I toodalooted as you know, I am, I do tootalude. And I tootaluded on over to their nourishing face cream because as you know, just like a good pair of jeans, I'm always on the hunt for the perfect face cream.
Doree Shafrir: I do know that about you. Yeah, I Do's.
Kate Spencer: So I also bought that.
Doree Shafrir: Okay. Has any of this stuff arrived yet?
Kate Spencer: Oh, it's arrived and it's all on my body right now. Oh. And I gotta say I like it. I like it a lot. Yeah. And I really like the face cream. Oh, my skin is amazing. And it's not, there's no heavy scents. There's like a light scent to the products, but nothing heavy, you know, I have such mixed feelings about Gwyneth. Paltro just
Doree Shafrir: In general, in general,
Kate Spencer: just In general, that being said, if she was like, can I come on forever 35, a hundred percent. I would be like, yes, but I will. And, and like, I don't like a lot of the, uh, messages that she pushes about, you know, wellness and fasting. Like a lot of her shit does not sit well with me. That being said, I'm into this cream, I'm into all the products.
Doree Shafrir: Wow. Okay. Do you think these are gonna make, make it into the regular rotation?
Kate Spencer: I think if, if there's any front runner, it is the face cream. the face cream's really nice. Wow. Yeah. That's really nice. All right. Yeah. I'll keep working. You know, I just, I just body buttered this morning because I took my weekly shower. And so I, I, I had reason to, to body butter myself, but, um, and I just, you know, I just started using these products. So I'll report back in a month or so, and let you know what they, uh, what they do. They also sent like some of their, you know, like skin care powders that you drink, not enough for me to like really analyze this product, but I'll give em a go, you know, I'm always willing to be a Guinea pig.
Doree Shafrir: I know you do like to be a Guinea pig.
Kate Spencer: Wow. Yeah, I do. Yeah. So if anyone else there is a goop user come forth and reveal yourselves because I don't know. I wanna talk,
Doree Shafrir: This is exciting.
Kate Spencer: it's a big Deal.
Doree Shafrir: Do you think you are going to try any other go products?
Kate Spencer: I don't, because I don't need another face oil. I feel like I've got enough face oils to last me, you know, the rest of my life. And I prefer a cream and then they have a lighter face lotion and a lip balm, which I don't need. And then they have all their like super powder. Well, and you know, actually that being said, oh no, wait, Doree. I lied. Yeah. I do wanna try their, I do wanna try their glow exfoliator.
Doree Shafrir: Okay.
Kate Spencer: And again, I think this is just because I saw Gweneth, Paltro use it in one of those, like, get ready with me. Vogue videos where like a celebrity is in front of their sink, like washing their face and putting on makeup, you know, these videos. Right.
Doree Shafrir: I do. And I mean, it's good to know that they work.
Kate Spencer: Oh, I am so, so susceptible to any sort of celebrity endorsement. I mean, it's kind of pathetic, but yeah. I also wanna try the instant glow exfoliator.
Doree Shafrir: Wow. Okay. This is Exciting. it. One thing at a time,
New Speaker: please report Back.
Doree Shafrir: I will there they're actually, now that I'm here, there's a lot of goop products, Goop beauty who would've thought Gweneth said writing a newsletter called goop. And it would turn into this.
Doree Shafrir: I mean, maybe she did. Maybe that's why, you know, she, maybe she did. She's so successful.
Kate Spencer: That's right. I don't. Yeah. I mean, did you see her? Did you see the architectural digest, uh, tour of her new home?
New Speaker: Oh, I, I sure did.
Kate Spencer: Yep. Oh my God. Come on.
Doree Shafrir: Yep. Well, yeah. Yeah.
Kate Spencer: We'll talk about, um, real homes later in this episode, but speaking of home story, Tell us what's Going on in your house. Cause well, I'm proud of this.
Doree Shafrir: Oh, thank you. Um, so our house, as I think I've mentioned before has had, I mean, we're just not good at keeping it organized. I would say our, our problem is, and like, I know you're gonna say don't be hired on yourself. Wait,
Kate Spencer: Are you talking? Are you imitating me? Was that me?
Doree Shafrir: I mean, I just feel like now we've like gone in the other direction of like, we should, we should give ourselves like the space to have a messy home, but like a messy home is not calming to me.
Kate Spencer: No, it's Totally get it.
New Speaker: I don't actually want a messy home. But the thing that was like really bothering me was our outdoor area. Just, it literally felt like a junkyard. Like there was just stuff everywhere. And I was finally this morning, I was like, we need to clean this up. Like it's driving me crazy. So we, we, we did, we clean up most of it. Um, I'm now, excuse me, I'm now very familiar with the various, um, LA sanitation pickup rules, because I was like, oh, this can, this will be a bulk item pickup, but no bulk item pickup is just for furniture and like mattresses and stuff like that. Mm. This is an extra collection tag pickup. You have to, like, I've heard of this special tags to like your extra bags, but you can only purchase the bag. You can only purchase the tags at LA sanitation offices between 8:00 AM and 1:00 PM Monday through Friday. And they are like, not conveniently located to our, our house. So we have to figure out when I can do that. But, um, in the meantime it's been like tidied up out there, which I just feel good about.
Kate Spencer: Wow. Doree.
Doree Shafrir: Yeah.
Kate Spencer: Proud of you. Good for you. Thank you.
Doree Shafrir: Thank you
Kate Spencer: So much. Be hard on yourself. I say, Beat yourself up. Make yourself feel like.
Doree Shafrir: Okay. Okay. I Will,
Kate Spencer: No, I, I think I know what you're saying though. There's like a fine line between like giving yourself grace and then like giving yourself so much grace that you never get the thing done.
New Speaker: Exactly. Or like giving yourself so much grace that you're like, my house is gross. Like I'm not it doesn't, it's not like making me happy. It does not bring me joy. So sometimes you gotta give yourself a little bit less grace, if you know what I mean.
Kate Spencer: I know what you mean. Like grace under pressure,
Doree Shafrir: Grace under fire. If You will.
Kate Spencer: Grace under fire under, I was trying to think of the, um, nineties TV show grace under fire. I get it right. Grace under fire.
Doree Shafrir: Um, oh, you know what? I did actually wanna give everyone another meal plan update. We're still going strong.
Kate Spencer: Okay.
Doree Shafrir: That's it. That's the update. I'm still, I'm still cooking. Still meal planning. It's still happening. This is the two, three. This is week four.
Kate Spencer: Look at you.
Kate Spencer: Well, you know, I, I texted you this, but I have been trying a couple recipes from the weekday vegetarians, which as I shared with listeners, I'm incorporating more plant based, eating into my life. And a lot of people suggested I get this cookbook surprise. I already have at it. Had I cracked it open. Oh, look at that. No, but, um, I've made a couple things from it and it's quite, uh, it's been, it's been positive. It's been quite tasty.
Doree Shafrir: Oh good.
Kate Spencer: Especially this like tofu and green bean dish.
Doree Shafrir: Yeah. I was gonna ask if there, is there anything specific that has been, and
Kate Spencer: Yeah, this tofu and green bean kind of, I don't know the exact name of the recipe, but I've been struggling to make good tofu and this was finally it like, it was delicious.
Doree Shafrir: Wow. I,
Kate Spencer: Yeah, I almost not to my own horn, but I almost was like, this is restaurant good,
Doree Shafrir: Kate. Wow. This is big.
Kate Spencer: Like my 11 year old, who was like, I hate tofu. And I was like, well just please try it. She's like, I already know how I feel about tofu. And then she tried it and she like went back and got a plate of the tofu. And I was like,
Doree Shafrir: well, you showed her.
Kate Spencer: I did. I put her in her plate. Ah, AnyhooS? Um, all right, well Dory, why don't we take a little break let's and when we come up, we'll hear from our esteemed listeners. Yes.
Doree Shafrir: Esteemed indeed.
Kate Spencer: All right. Doree, a listener poses. A very important question that I can't believe we have not addressed Yet. They wrote hi cat and door also. I just want you to know, like when I'm reading the voicemail transcripts of people's voicemails to us and they address us as cat and door, it comes up as captain door, which really makes me chuckle. Cause The, the Google voice.
Doree Shafrir: Oh my gosh.
Kate Spencer: Doesn't quite. Get the message. Correct? Yeah. So all these messages messages are just like, hi, captain door. So hi captain. And do hilarious. I have been, yes. I know. I have been wanting to get my very first facial since February 20, 20 after my second child was born, but best laid plans and so on. I feel like it's time, but I don't really know what to expect. What does a basic facial look like? What questions should I ask or recommendations? Should I expect, please tell me everything. I love this question.
Doree Shafrir: Okay. Kate, do you have thoughts about this?
Kate Spencer: Okay. So my first thought would be to, uh, depend to get a recommendation for a facialist from a friend. So you are going to someone that, you know, somebody else likes.
Doree Shafrir: Good tip. Good tip.
Kate Spencer: The next thing I would say is ask if they start off with a consultation, so you can have a conversation about your skin and what your needs are. So, and, and I think that can allow you to ask questions of like, well, what, what will you do to treat this? Like, what is what's gonna happen in this facial? Um, the third thing I would say is get, just start with whatever the, you know, entry level facial is. I don't think you need to go for all the bells and the whistles. I think it's more just like seeing if you even enjoy getting a facial and having someone prod at your skin
Doree Shafrir: Very reasonable
Kate Spencer: And also maybe find out if they do extraction. So I think with a facial, normally my experience has, when you get in there, you get under like a, you know, you're on a bed, you get under a little towel thingy, a little blanket, and then they wa they cleanse your face. They kinda look at it under a big light to examine what's going on a, a magnified light. And then they steam you up to open you up. Has that been your experience and kind of the flow? I think every facial is gonna be different. They steam you up. They might do some extractions or there might be, you know, a mask first or something of that sort. Right. And ex extractions would be the pressing of pimples out of your face
Doree Shafrir: Black. heads
Kate Spencer: It hurts
Doree Shafrir: Black Heads. Yeah.
Kate Spencer: Yes. And it hurts.
Doree Shafrir: Yeah. But not in like a bad way.
Kate Spencer: I, I dont like it.
Doree Shafrir: Oh really?
Kate Spencer: No, I don't like extra extractions. I mean, I like it in the sense that my skin looks better, but I like, especially when they're around your nose and you're nos, like on your nose, it hurts so bad. I get tears in my eyes.
Doree Shafrir: Oh, wow.
Kate Spencer: I'm not getting those psyched up. Huh.
Doree Shafrir: I find them very satisfying.
Kate Spencer: Okay. So see any, any experience and you can, I think the other thing to remember, and then I'll shut up and let Doree speak here is that you, I, I have had a hard time with this where like, I know intellectually I'm paying for a service, but I will just be like, you do whatever you think I'm gonna stay silent. And I've gotten a little bit better at being like, oh, you know, can you not do this? Or can you do that? You know, asking for the things that I would like or need, um, from a person performing a facial, I don't know, Doree passing the mic. What do you think?
Doree Shafrir: I think that's all really good advice. I personally would start off, like a lot of, a lot of spas will offer, you know, different types of facials and like different addons and you know, all this kind of stuff. If for your first time I would start with just like the basic facial.
Kate Spencer: Yes, totally.
Doree Shafrir: And don't be shy about like, like, I mean, Kate, you kind of said this, but like, don't be shy about asking a lot of questions. I would be upfront with the esthetician and say, I've never had a facial before. Like, could you please explain everything that you're are doing And like really get kind of the play by play. So that would be my suggestion.
Kate Spencer: I hope you do. Like, let us know how it goes. Oh, wait, Doree. My last suggestion is, do not feel like you have to buy the products that are suggested to you.
Doree Shafrir: Oh yes. Thank you for mentioning that Kate.
Kate Spencer: And if they ask, if you wanna add any addons in the middle of the facial or beforehand, I think you can just say no, totally. Unless something is speaking to you, but I find like the kind of upsell really stresses me out and I've had that happen in many different skincare experiences. So I would say don't buy them products, like, see how you like your facial and how your skin reacts. But there, there can be a lot of, kind of pressure to buy stuff. And I would say stay strong.
Doree Shafrir: I think that's great advice. Although I will, I will, I will add a caveat to that.
Kate Spencer: Do it
Doree Shafrir: Um, you can, you can always, you should be able to ask for samples,
Kate Spencer: Good idea. Or at least things written down. So you remember what they are.
Doree Shafrir: Yeah. But I do think that if you like later decide to buy the product, it is nice to buy it from the spa that you got it from
Kate Spencer: As a show of support.
Doree Shafrir: Yeah. Like they were the ones who recommended it to you. They're probably a smaller business. Like it's nice to buy it there and not like some other, you know, big box company in my opinion. Nice
Kate Spencer: Good advice doree.
Doree Shafrir: Ah, thanks. Thanks so much. Um, all right. We got a text. Hey ladies, listen to y'all's February 14th episode. I wanted to bring up something that y'all or your guests have never touched on about baths. I have a larger body and a smaller tub. So taking bath is not relaxing for me as I don't really fit the obsession with taking a bath to unwind has always been frustrating and something that is not a one size fits all experience on a related note. I appreciate that the print fresh PJs come in extended sizes. Not sure if that's something you consider when, when mentioning a product, but it's nice to see in a clothing company. Love you guys. Um, yes, that's a really good point about baths. Um, I don't have an especially larger body and I find my tub to be way too small. So I, I think that this is a, an issue for sure.
Kate Spencer: Yeah. I'm so, uh, so glad you wrote in about this because you're totally correct. We have not touched on this and it definitely is a conversation worth having,
Doree Shafrir: Um, reprint fresh. I think that we men didn't we not mention this when we talked about them that they, some of their styles go up to six X.
Kate Spencer: I think we did. Yeah,
Doree Shafrir: I think we did. I mean, it's, it's definitely something that we, um, consider and we try, we do. I think it's safe to say, we try to, uh, highlight brands that are size inclusive and do offer, um, larger sizes. It's always really frustrating to me when, you know, just because I can wear a straight size quote, unquote, that like, it's not cool if they just go up to like Excel or 12, you know? Cause that is not super inclusive. I will also say as the partner of someone who is in a larger body, I find this very frustrating on the men's side as well. Like I feel like men's extended sizing is not really talked about and like
Kate Spencer: That's a great point. Most,
Doree Shafrir: Most men's clothes go up to either X Excel or X XL, which is like, not that big and no, um, anyway, not to like change the subject, but it's just, it's, it's frustrating for me as someone who would like to be able to buy, you know, if I like wanna buy a gift, like if I wanna buy him a sweater or something like, and then be like, oh, the biggest size is extra large. Well, that doesn't help. You know what I mean? So yeah, something that I have become a lot more attuned to, um, from that end as well.
Kate Spencer: Yeah. I do think we have been more conscious over the years. I think you and I have both like, learned more about inclusive sizing, um, through doing this podcast. So it is something that we, I think do mention, or if we're working with a clothing company, we, um, we like to choose to work with, uh, companies that have inclusive sizing. So we're not always hitting it out of the park, but we it's definitely, you know, no, but we are working on it and it's definitely, uh, an important consideration.
Doree Shafrir: Yes. Um, alright, well, Kate, should we hear a voicemail?
Doree Shafrir: Oh yes.
Doree Shafrir: Okay. Let's do
Speaker 4: Hi cat. And do, my name is Megan. I'm calling from Denver and I wanted to give you guys a call in response to a caller on Monday show asking about generics versus name brand cosmetics. And I wanted to offer an expert opinion, not me, but my, husband he used to work for a cosmetics manufacturer who made generic products. So I will turn it over to him.
Speaker 5: Hi pod. Yeah. Your conversation was interesting. I thought that I would add having been kind of behind the scenes on the subject that our big customers, uh, require our generics to go through a version of blind testing, uh, against the name brand products that was especially on any of the product labeling that said compared to name brand. So we would send out unlabeled tubes of our product to a third party tester. And if they'd get scored in comparison to the name brand, but the tester wouldn't know which was, which then we'd get the score sheet back. And we were expected by our customer to keep the results within a certain number of points on the scoring rubric. And if we ever were falling behind, we had, we were required to reformulate to better match the name brand. So there is testing done on it. There is kind of a feedback loop that helps manufacture generics, know how close they're getting, but that wasn't in all cases. And it was for just a couple of customers, but your conversation was interesting and thought that'd helpful to add, bye!
Doree Shafrir: That Is very helpful to add
Kate Spencer: Yes, I'm intrigued and slash excited.
Doree Shafrir: Yeah.
Kate Spencer: What a good hot tip. I also love the bringing in of a spouse or a partner totally. To chime in on a message. Please bring all your partners on. We wanna hear from them. Yeah. I mean, does that make you more inclined to generic it up?
Doree Shafrir: Yeah. For sure. What I, about you.
Kate Spencer: same. I mean, same and you know, it's funny, I am married to someone who always buys generic and I am the kind of person who is like immediately swayed by a label and thinks that the, um, name brand is better always like, and I'm just, I'm aware of it. And yet it's very hard for me to break that cycle. So, you know, plus one for Anthony King, I feel like is what I'm saying. I have to give him a, give him a check next to his name. He's got it right? Yeah. Yeah. He's got it. Right. Okay. Thank you, Anthony King. All right, well, Kate, let's take another break. Okay. We'll be right back. Excellent.
Doree Shafrir: Okay. We are back and we have another voicemail.
Voicemail: Hey cat and door, just pausing the pod to call about rec room. So it's kind of funny, you bring this up because I know friend of the pod and another podcast that I obsess with, uh, Kate Kennedy's be there in five, had a lot of conversations about this, cuz she's been looking for a house and talking about all of her, definitely east coast memories of like having a rec room in a basement. And um, I just wanna say there's also some kind of like parallel, I think topic and interest I have in like how this idea of rec rooms and homes that we grew up with in the eighties and nineties as someone who's in their late thirties is also relevant to this idea of like normal houses, which I've been seeing a lot of this content on TikTok and Instagram. And I think over the last decade, Instagram has had this kind of like aspirational has really, I guess, amplified this idea of like the aspirational home, right? Like that everyone's house is like beautiful and white kitchens and like so aesthetic and, and amazing. And there's almost this push on like, wait, show me your real house and to your guys' point, like the woodworking, your mom's Shit like in the corner, whatever. And sometimes I find myself kind of spiraling in this, like my house has to be perfect and beautiful and I have two little kids and you know, I'm thinking about what their house will feel like for them as they grow older. And I'm kinda like loving this energy around just like normal house, like wood kitchens and basements and just like normal house. So anyways, that's all I just thought there was some interesting thought there as you guys are kind of tapping into that nostalgia and thinking about kind of like days of yore in terms of our home, so anyhow it all? Just like something I'm chew on too. And uh, you know, like I said, Kate, Kennedy's probably got some good here cause you know, she's got the thoughts about a lot as you guys know. So anyways, thanks for what you do. Love the pod. Talk to you soon.
Doree Shafrir: It's like norm core, but for houses. Yeah. I mean, I, I think this person raises a really good point and I have seen that on TikTok where it's like, show me your normal house, because I do think many of us have just been exhausted via the imagery of like these, you know, these perfectly clean cookie cutter. It's always the kitchen too. I feel like that always looks especially the same and that are huge. And so clean, like no clutter. Yeah. And so it does feel nice to know that like, you know, I mean, right now I have a pile of coughdrop wrappers on my desk. I wouldn't make it into a post showing the beauty of my home, but it should, it should. And I, I do think we are starting to see this kind of like the pendulum swing the other way. Yeah.
Kate Spencer: Um, uh, away from kind of like perfect in influencer culture because it's just so unrealistic and you can't find yourself in it and it can't, I mean, it can be aspirational to some regard, but then there's also like you wanna see a bit of yourself in the things that you consume. You know, and I'm not seeing it. I mean, literally as Dorry and I started to record this podcast, my dog all over the floor. I mean, that's real, that's real life.
Doree Shafrir: That's hot.
Kate Spencer: That's hot. I can take a picture of the pee. Uh, yeah. I don't know. Do you, do you follow like Instagram home people? Like, do you, do you derive inspiration from like home influencers or is that just not your scene?
Doree Shafrir: Um, I follow a lot of like professional interior decorators, but not a ton of just like home influencers, I guess.
Kate Spencer: So that's probably better. You're following true experts.
Doree Shafrir: I mean, I don't know. Is it better? Maybe they're just making me feel bad about myself.
Kate Spencer: I know. I mean, everything makes me feel bad about myself online. That's why I'm like,
Doree Shafrir: that is fair. That is fair. That is really fair. Yes.
Kate Spencer: Which I, which I appreciate people showing their real, this is why I appreciate that. The, the TikTok content of the real houses, because yeah. Like in real houses, there's like a joy to something feeling lived in. I think that is missing from a lot of these homes. That we see online. Yeah.
Doree Shafrir: I agree with that for sure.
Kate Spencer: Um, now I will say I was driving my kid, my kid and her friends around and my car and I had to apologize cuz it was so all messy and my daughter apologized and I was like, oh my God. If I embarrassed my daughter, cause the car is so messy. And then I was like, but It's this motherfuckers mess. It's not my mess. Well, some of it is, I was like, they're the ones who make it messy.
Doree Shafrir: Right. It's their mess.
Kate Spencer: Yeah. I was like, if you don't like a messy car, then cl- then take out the 70 sweatshirts that you've in here.
Doree Shafrir: Oh, that's funny.
Kate Spencer: Mm
Doree Shafrir: That's funny, Kate. That's funny. Yeah.
Kate Spencer: Thank you. Well, you know, parenting tween story is, um, Look, it's not for the faint of heart. It's not, I gotta say it is. It is like nothing I've ever experienced before. And every stage of is hard. This is, this is new ground for me.
Doree Shafrir: Well, you also have two of them, so
Kate Spencer: Oh My God. That's so many little, little bras all over my house. Oh, wow.
Doree Shafrir: Um, well Kate Let's, let's, let's read a text It's direct to you, Kate. I had to literally pull over so I could text this.
Kate Spencer: I just love that.
Doree Shafrir: I mean, you inspired her so much.
Doree Shafrir: Well, I,
Kate Spencer: and then wait till you hear the message, the urgent message here.
Doree Shafrir: Okay. Re butter, snacking. You are not alone. I have an uncle that does this and has since toddlerhood I was the same, but with sour cream, but for a, I was the same, but with sour cream for a very long time, ate it by the spoonful. My siblings told me eating. It would give me cancer. They claimed to make me stop eating tubs of it. But I suspect it was to make me cry. Either way they succeeded. Harray for weird snackers. Uh, okay. We're
Kate Spencer: I have a sour cream child.
Doree Shafrir: Yes. At some point we're gonna need a cholesterol update. I, I realize it's probably been a little too soon, but I would like one at some point I will
Kate Spencer: Be, well, the second I go back for my next round of blood tests with my new life of much less butter, I will give you all an important update. And I will tell you I have been using butter. I haven't been snacking on it. Okay. So I've been using butter to cook, you know, like if it call recipe calls for it, I haven't eliminated it. I, I don't love restricting in that way for me personally. And it actually feels good to be able to use it, but I am not keeping salted butter in my house because I will, I will eat the whole thing. I just will. So, and I, I have a sour cream eating kid who will eat sour cream by the spoonful. I mean, I do think there's a whole world of us who are condiment snackers.
Doree Shafrir: It just, it intrigues me that it's, um, condiments by themselves.
Kate Spencer: I mean, if I go to the McDonald's drive through and they give us a bunch of ketchup packets, I'll just squirt the ketchup packet into my mouth. Do you do that?
Doree Shafrir: I do not do that.
Kate Spencer: So you're not a condiment snacker.
Doree Shafrir: I will not. I, I need a, I need a vessel for the condiment.
Kate Spencer: Like you wouldn't eat cream cheese plain out of the container. Like I do
Doree Shafrir: No,
Kate Spencer: So good,
Doree Shafrir: But I do love cream cheese.
Kate Spencer: You need a vessel.
Doree Shafrir: I need a vessel. I need a French fry, I need, uh, quesadIlla, you know, for the sour cream.
Kate Spencer: Sounds good right about now actually
Doree Shafrir: I need a BLIntz. I love condiments,
Kate Spencer: Very Specific.
Doree Shafrir: I love condiments and I of like, you know, sauces and dips and such, but I don't, I don't really eat them by themselves. No, that's not a thing I do.
Kate Spencer: I mean, I'll confess to have dipped a spoon into the jar of mayonnaise and just eaten the mayonnaise plain.
Doree Shafrir: Okay. Is there anything else you'd like to share?
Kate Spencer: I think that's the limit. My limit for today is all right. Okay. My condiment addiction.
Doree Shafrir: Okay. I'm glad. We're, I'm glad we're finally talking about this.
Kate Spencer: What can I say, Dori? I love a condiment.
Doree Shafrir: Listen, uh, Kate it's, it's been a pleasure learning more about, you
Kate Spencer: Know, that, you know what? There's so much more, we don't know about each other that just knows revealing itself through this podcast.
Doree Shafrir: It's Really, really great. Um, alright. Well, we will talk to you all again. Soon on Wednesday. We're talking to Heather, Havrilesky speaking of like learning more about people you've been with for a long time.
Kate Spencer: It's a fun conversation. Just
Doree Shafrir: A little preview.
Doree Shafrir: All right. I like that little spoil little treat,
Doree Shafrir: Little treat. All right. We will talk too soon. Bye.