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Kate and Doree discuss following the lives of semi-strangers online for years, and then hear from listeners about feeling at home in your postpartum body, dealing with friends and infertility, and how to keep your cool when you're keeping it child-free. 

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Kate:                    Oh, hello. Welcome to Forever35, a podcast about the things we do to take care of ourselves. I happen to be Kate Spencer,

Doree:                And I'm Doree Shafrir,

Kate:                    And we are not experts.

Doree:                We're not, we're two friends who like to talk a lot about serums.

Kate:                    We are Hello Doree.

Doree:                Hello, Kate

Kate:                    Doree. I wrote in my show notes, well, our show notes that I am now part of the Barefoot Shoe Revolution.

Doree:                Now, you had mentioned this on a previous episode that you were Barefoot Shoe curious.

Kate:                    Well, I bought some barefoot shoes. The name Barefoot Shoe is misleading, but I did buy some zero drop sneakers. Essentially, they're like minimalist shoes so that you get more, they basically have very wide toe beds so that my toes can spread out. They're like the opposite of a Hoka is what's happened

Doree:                And?

Kate:                    Well, I'm trying them out and seeing how they feel. Excuse me. I've been wearing sneakers very consistently because I have this plantar fascitis, and what I kind of have been learning is maybe those very thick supportive sneakers aren't actually improving what's going on in my foot. So I bought these shoes by Flux, Flux Footwear. They have a roomy tow box. They have a zero drop.

Doree:                I love a roomy tow box.

Kate:                    Again, I don't even think I knew what toe boxes were until I met you and started doing this podcast,

Doree:                But now you're a toe box evangelist, right? You see how much better it is for your feet, for your toes to be able to really be themselves.

Kate:                    Yeah. I'm really understanding that a confined tight shoe, especially around my toes, is not helping anything,

Doree:                Not helping,

Kate:                    But this does feel like truly a part of the middle aged transformation where I start wearing orthotic shoes. Not that I haven't done that for a long time, but a senior citizen woman in a orthotic sandal, that vibe, which I admire that vibe.

Doree:                Oh, Yes. And I'm going to embrace that vibe.

Kate:                    I'm there. I think that's where I live now,

Doree:                Kate. I'm living there with you.

Kate:                    Great. Well, we'll be like, there once was two old women who lived in an orthotic shoe.

Doree:                Oh my God. We should write that.

Kate:                    Okay. I really do think though foot health is so important to our general wellbeing and most of the shoes that we wear are not doing us any favors.

Doree:                No,

Kate:                    and I'm not talking about a high heel. I even mean a van.

Doree:                Totally. Kate, I am so with you on this.

Kate:                    Well, I will tell you, you did text me and you did say, oh, one of our shared mutual friends is also into this kind of sneaker, and so I texted them and I was like, I hear you're also a barefoot sneaker fan. And they were like, wrong person. So I don't know who it is.

Doree:                Oh, no. Her friend was into them, and she texted me that her friend was into these sneakers that I don't think are marketed as barefoot sneakers, but are marketed as having a wide toe box. So I'm sorry if that was confusing for everyone involved.

Kate:                    That's okay.

Doree:                She herself not a wide toe box or barefoot sneaker aficionado.

Kate:                    Well, look, there's a lot of overlap within the wide tow box and the barefoot sneaker community. I mean, we do kind of,

Doree:                oh yeah,

Kate:                    We do kind of cross paths

Doree:                Totally. Literally and figuratively,

Kate:                    Quite literally and figuratively. But yes, I really, I'm enjoying how comfortable they are and I'm trying to be really tuned in to see if I feel like there's a shift in my plantar fasciitis. I'm also using my yoga toes and doing my stretches and all sorts of things, but I would really like this to go away. It's extremely uncomfortable.

Doree:                Yeah. I would like this to go away for you too.

Kate:                    Well, thank you. Just means embracing the box, the toe box.

Doree:                The toe box, as it were.

Kate:                    What a terrible phrase. I truly have never hated a phrase more than toe box.

Doree:                Yeah. It's not a good phrase.

Kate:                    No, it's kind of gross. I don't know what it, it's not sexual, but it's just kind of like boo.

Doree:                Yeah,

Kate:                    Just a thought. Just a thought on toe boxes. How are you doing over there, Doree?

Doree:                Kate, I'm hanging in here.

Kate:                    Okay.

Doree:                I had a real, so we're recording this the day after daylight savings.

Kate:                    Oh my God.

Doree:                And I slept badly last night. I woke up in the middle of the night, was up for a little while. Then was not helped by the advent of daylight savings

Kate:                    Just because your child was like, we, I'm awake, or you were just kind of like, my body is

Doree:                Sure.

Kate:                    What's up?

Doree:                Yeah, I needed more sleep. I was just sort of out of it, and then I was like, I'm going to see if I can make it through the day without my second cup of coffee.

Kate:                    Wait, You do that daily? Oh, because of sleeping,

Doree:                so I don't have trouble going to sleep tonight. And then in between our recordings, I was like, no, I need my coffee. So here I am drinking my coffee.

Kate:                    So when we took a little five minute break, I went and made lunch and you went and made your afternoon coffee.

Doree:                I did.

Kate:                    Good for you.

Doree:                So I just need to share that because I have to live my caffeinated truth.

Kate:                    That seems reasonable. I feel like it is a extra hard day to take out a cup of, if you're used to a cup of coffee with post daylight savings, that's rough.

Doree:                Yeah,

Kate:                    It really does muddle everything up. Although I will say the immense joy that I feel at the extra hour of sunlight at the end of the day is palpable. I can feel it in my bones.

Doree:                Yes, yes, yes. I feel that too.

Kate:                    I just wish they just let us have it. I wish we didn't have to do this terrible shift.

Doree:                I know.

Kate:                    It drives me nuts every year.

Doree:                I know. Especially because it's, it's like it's only an hour, but it really gets to you.

Kate:                    It does confuse the body and the brain, and everybody, especially with the younger kids, are all unsettled. It's just wish there was another way.

Doree:                I know Kate, on a completely different note, have I mentioned on the podcast that I think I'm going to grow up my hair?

Kate:                    Okay. You mentioned that you had seen a picture of yourself and had been like, oh yeah.

Doree:                Okay. And I didn't talk about this on the podcast, right?

Kate:                    I don't think so.

Doree:                I don't think I did.

Kate:                    So you're growing. You're going for a long look.

Doree:                I think I'm going to go long again. So what happened was during the pandemic, the early days of the Pandemic, which lasted for quite some time, hair salons were closed here in Los Angeles, and I didn't get a haircut for a long time, and my hair got very long. My hair happens. I don't have a lot of hair, but it grows very fast. So by mid 2021, my hair was very long and a photo came up on my iPad, rotates old photos sort of seemingly randomly, and a photo came up from that time and I was like, oh, my hair was so long. I didn't quite, when your hair, you don't realize how long it is because it grows so gradually

Kate:                    And it's your hair,

Doree:                other people's hair. You're like, Ooh, look at that. Yes. But I saw my hair and I was like, oh, it was really long, and I was like, I kind of like it long, so I think I'm going to grow it. Breaking news,

Kate:                    Breaking news now, breaking news. It's already kind of long.

Doree:                It's kind of long. I always found I had short hair for a long time, and I found that the difference between chin length and shoulder length is actually quite far. To get past your shoulders is like your hair is long by the time it gets past your shoulders. So I feel like it's a journey. I've already, I've reached that threshold and feeling good, feeling good about it.

Kate:                    Wow.

Doree:                Yeah.

Kate:                    Okay. Congratulations. I like that our hair is just going in the different direction. I just keep, I'm now in the like, oh, I've cut it short. I'm now just going to keep cutting it really short until I panic and then grow it back long again, which is another journey, which I'm sure you know of.

Doree:                Totally.

Kate:                    You know that journey.

Doree:                I do know this. Yeah.

Kate:                    It's journey right now. It's like chin length and I'm just

Doree:                Living that life.

Kate:                    It is very easy to have. It's not always easy, obviously. I mean, look, I have fairly a wavy straight hair. It doesn't require a ton of styling, and it's just so much easier. Just even the blow drying experience. When I do blow dry it, it's just so,

Doree:                Oh yeah. It takes no time at all. It's the best.

Kate:                    Doree, this is just a major random gear shift, but I just have to ask, do you have the Viral Trader Joe's Canvas bag?

Doree:                I do not. Kate,

Kate:                    Have you followed this at all?

Doree:                I have.

Kate:                    So you're aware of the Viral Trader Joe's?

Doree:                I am the two 90 nines small canvas tote. Yes. Yes,

Kate:                    Yes.

Doree:                Have you gotten one?

Kate:                    I was curious. No, I mean, I have Trader Joe's bags.

Doree:                Same. Also, frankly, the size seemed completely useless to me.

Kate:                    Well, it didn't seem like it was for groceries.

Doree:                No,

Kate:                    it seems like it's just for hanging out.

Doree:                What is it for?

Kate:                    I asked you. I don't know. I don't, I don't know. I am kind of like, what is this? What is happening?

Doree:                Kate? The viral trader Joe's item that I care about is the Kimbo.

Kate:                    That's a hard one to find.

Doree:                I would just like them to get their Kimbo supply chain in order so that I can purchase it more consistently. It is.

Kate:                    You described a delicious lunch and then you couldn't get it then.

Doree:                Yes, It is the perfect lunch. One package of Kimbap is the perfect lunch. It's delicious. It's filling. It's got veggies in it. I love it.

Kate:                    Sounds great.

Doree:                The Kimbap is great. I've also heard it's great with I guess, Kimbo in Korean cuisine. You can do egg over it. I don't know. I'm going to experiment if I can ever get it again.

Kate:                    Yeah, I don't know. Doree. I don't know. When a Trader Joe's item goes big,

Doree:                It goes real big.

Kate:                    Or when they have a supply chain issue.

Doree:                Oh my God.

Kate:                    As they once did for years with my black bean taquitos.

Doree:                I think Henry's been eating the black bean taquitos.

Kate:                    Oh, those black bean taquitos were a staple in our home for years.

Doree:                Yeah. I'm like, maybe they didn't anticipate how popular it was going to be, which I understand. But it's been months. Get it together,

Kate:                    Get your shit together.

Doree:                They did recently introduce a new product that I do like.

Kate:                    What is it?

Doree:                Do you ever get those? Hold the cone mini cones?

Kate:                    Yes. I love those.

Doree:                Okay. Did you know that they introduced, it's basically just the tip.

Kate:                    Wait, what?

Doree:                It's not called that, but that's basically, I think that's what it is.

Kate:                    It's just the tip of an ice cream cone.

Doree:                It's just the tip of the cone with the little chocolate Hold the cone tips. That's what they're called.

Kate:                    There's no ice cream inside of that.

Doree:                There's no ice cream. It's just waffle cone tips. Here, I'm going to send you the link and you'll see what I mean.

Kate:                    And they are very good tip.

Doree:                They really should have called it just the tip.

Kate:                    That's so horrible. I love it. Oh, those look delicious. Waffle. Waffle grown.

Doree:                Good. They're filled.

Kate:                    they're chocolate.

Doree:                Yes, they're really good.

Kate:                    So they're not frozen. You don't get them in the frozen section.

Doree:                No. Patently styled. After our iconic hold, the cone mini ice cream cones, which are found in our freezers, these cone tips are cookies, not ice cream. In effect, we've removed the entire top portion of the cone, including the ice cream, leaving behind a conical nugget. The crunchiest part or the of the waffle cone where the seam comes to a point.

Kate:                    Ooh, God, I fucking,

Doree:                They require no refrigeration. Yep. Delicious. They are just delicious. I highly, highly recommend a great innovation in Trader Joe's products.

Kate:                    I mean also the Trader Joe's Super Goop Dupe sunscreen is, I know you're not a fan. I'm a fan. The Glow screen, but I'm not a fan. If you are, just go get it at Trader Joe's. I think Elf might also make a dupe.

Doree:                That's reasonable. That's reasonable. I was not really a fan of the Super Goot version either, so

Kate:                    I don't know why you're not a fan. You're not the, you don't like the texture,

Doree:                But you know what I do like that Super Go Makes is their play sunscreen moose.

Kate:                    I like that moose too. I like the moose too.

Doree:                Yeah. All right, Kate, we need to take a break.

Kate:                    We do. We do. Let's get out of here.

Doree:                We'll be right back. We are back. We forgot to remind everyone that you can visit our website Forever35podcast.com for links to everything we mentioned on the show. We're on Instagram @Forever35podcast. We also have a Patreon at patreon.com/forever35, where we do casual chats every week, which are kind of like what we do at the top of the show, just in a longer version. We're also recapping the oc. We're almost done, which is crazy with the first season on our Season one podcast. And we also do our product recall episodes on the Patreon, so check that out at patreon.com/forever35. We have our favorite products at Shopmy.US/Forever35. We also have a newsletter at Forever35podcast.com/newsletter. And probably most importantly of all, we have a phone number where you can call or text us at (781) 591-0390, and you can email us at Forever35podcast@gmail.com. Now, let us get to some of your emails and voicemails. First email. Dear Kat and Dor, I'd love to hear your reactions to the standup comedy special on Netflix by Jacqueline Novak. The New Yorker did a piece on her. I thought that y'all would find it as hilarious as I did. I feel like Kat, with your background in improv, could relate to her stagecraft, and Dor could appreciate the literary references.

Kate:                    You and I both saw this show in person. Did we Not?

Doree:                I did not see this show in person.

Kate:                    Oh, you Didn't?

Doree:                No, I wanted to, and then I forget why I couldn't go scheduling blah, blah, blah.

Kate:                    I actually saw her do this show at Largo in Los Angeles a few years ago. I don't know how long it's been now, because time is a blur, but I saw her do the show, so I haven't watched the special because I've seen it live. This is not intended as a humbler brag, but it is. But I thought it was great. I loved it. Have you watched the video Special Doree?

Doree:                No. No. I need to watch it.

Kate:                    It's great. I mean, again, I'm assuming it's very consistent with the live show, but it's really, really funny. And I like the Poog podcast, of which Jacqueline is a co-host along with the great Kate Berlin, who's one woman show I also liked.

Doree:                They're just one woman showing it up.

Kate:                    They're very talented, very smart, funny people. I admire them both slash I like hearing them talk about skincare.

Doree:                Same.

Kate:                    But I think that Jacqueline's show would be a great pod recommendation for listeners if anyone's interested. I feel like most people here, I feel like you would enjoy it. Not for your kids. Not for kids.

Doree:                Oh, not for your kids. Okay. You know what? Great tip.

Kate:                    I mean, it's about blow jobs.

Doree:                Yeah. Okay. We get it. Alright, we are going to hear a voicemail now.

Voicemail:          Hey, this is Colleen from Texas. I was just listening to the podcast and Doree talking about all those people on Facebook that she went on a trip with 15 years ago or what have you. And it made me laugh just because sometimes we joke with those, our most interesting friends. I grew up in small town Arkansas, and a lot of people stayed in our hometown and there's not a whole lot going on, but somebody I hiked Machu Picchu with in 2013 is living in London and having this amazing adventure. So not to discount the folks that stayed in my hometown, but it is really interesting to see these people that you had shared a really intense short experience with and then watch their lives play out. But sometimes it's weird because you think like, oh, if I saw them in person, would I say hi or would I kind of pretend I didn't see them? Have a good one.

Doree:                Now, Kate, I sent you a screenshot of one of my people. We need to go up with a name for these people.

Kate:                    I have these people too, and I don't know what to call them either. I called them in the show documents. I called them blasts from the past. But that's not the right, that's not it.

Doree:                No,

Kate:                    They're short, short-term friends with a long-term presence.

Doree:                Yeah, they're not ghosts. Exactly.

Kate:                    No.

Doree:                All right. Well, we'll think on this. But yeah, I sent you a screen grab of one of these people and you were appropriately intrigued because she is like,

Kate:                    I was very intrigued.

Doree:                A random person with a whole life.

Kate:                    Well, and she's led a whole life since you met her one time.

Doree:                One time 15 years ago.

Kate:                    So wild. It's wild. It also,

Doree:                She has grandchildren now. She's only six years older than me and has grandchildren.

Kate:                    Well, that was the most wild part

Doree:                Where was, but then I remembered that in 2008, she did have a daughter who was like 20. She had had one child very young, and then she had some younger children. But even her younger children are like 20 now.

Kate:                    I thought this was an interesting observation of those people that we kind of meet in these arbitrary or adventurous moments in our lives. How following along with them, they kind of, it's interesting to see where their journeys take them.

Doree:                Totally. Yes. Oh my God. I just remembered another person and on, I wonder if I'm still Facebook friends with him. There was a guy who did big guy yoga.

Kate:                    Big guy yoga.

Doree:                Yes. I'm still, wait, no. Is this him? No, this is someone else. Okay, sorry. Please proceed. Oh yes. Here he is. Here he is. I'm still Facebook friends with him. We met, I went on a yoga and hiking retreat at Cripple Lu in 2011. It was a three day, I think it was a weekend thing. And there was this very nice guy there who was trying to kind of make a name for himself by doing big guy yoga. I don't think he still does it, but we're Facebook friends.

Kate:                    I want to say too, you also went on an admirable amount of retreats.

Doree:                I did. This was in a period of my life where? Well, the woman I sent you, I was partnered at the time, but when I was single, I did go on a lot of trips.

Kate:                    I think that's awesome.

Doree:                It was pretty awesome. But the trip where I met this woman, I did have a boyfriend, but I went with a girlfriend. I went with a friend to Mexico. Yeah, that was a fun thing that I used to do.

Kate:                    You were surfing, you were yoga, were really, I was surfing doing it all.

Doree:                I was doing it up. Kate, you, I'm glad I had those experiences. Really Glad

Kate:                    I'm Jealous.

Doree:                Well, and I have all these cool Facebook friends now.

Kate:                    That's what I'm most jealous of is the Facebook friends you got from the experience.

Doree:                Okay.

Kate:                    Oh my gosh. Okay. Let's hear from another listener. Shall we?

Doree:                Yes.

Kate:                    Okay. They had some thoughts on this discussion. Okay. They wrote, hi. I just had to comment on the Facebook adding discussion first. I've still added the people we sit with at dinner on cruises.

Doree:                Okay. Sorry, I'm pausing just for one second.

Kate:                    Whoa. Okay. Yes.

Doree:                This is exactly the type of person I'm talking about.

Kate:                    Yes. This is the best. You have this really intimate experience with them.

Doree:                Yes. For a few hours.

Kate:                    Yes. Well, and on a cruise, you eat with them every day.

Doree:                Right? Right, right. True. Yes. Yes. So it is the exact same thing. You know them for a few days and then you're bonded for life.

Kate:                    Yes, I love this. And you're bonded through life, but not through a trauma experience. This's entirely different if it's a trauma experience, but that is true. It's not traumatic. It's just a lighthearted experience. Okay. So they continue. They say you. Yeah. I guess it's a little weird that we'll never see each other again, but it reminds me how cool it is to just be a human and meet other humans and take part in new life experiences with them. And then I get to cheer them on from afar. And I think we could all benefit from more people in our cheering section.

Doree:                Kate, I need to pause one more time. Go on before you go on with the rest of this, because in our casual chat last week you were talking about how you feel like social media has just become this place where people are showing affiliate links and

Kate:                    Yeah, we're just selling things.

Doree:                We're just selling things. And to me, this conversation, this text that we're having, this feels like the original essence and goal of social media to really connect people and bring them together. And I think the fact that this does still exist on some small level is nice.

Kate:                    It brings you hope.

Doree:                It does bring me hope. And I appreciate this listener for writing in about this. So I'm sorry. Please proceed. I'm sorry to interrupt, but listener, you are really inspiring. You really

Kate:                    Hit a nerve. Yeah. You are taking Doree over the edge. Okay. So the second part of this text is that they said, I've started writing letters to friends I don't see frequently, but have on social media. Yes, I see their life updates like their new puppy, but this gives us an opportunity to communicate more slowly about things they wouldn't post on social media and vice versa. The slowness of snail mail means time for more things to happen, and the fact that it's private means you get to go a little deeper. Just some thoughts, love to you both. And then this person wrote us again a few days later and just said, I've started a list of things I love and it's life changing. Just like for fun. It's such a delight to slide into that feeling the wonder of life. I feel like this person's kind of life coaching us today.

Doree:                Yeah, I know mean this is sort of reminiscent of a gratitude journal

Kate:                    Similar, but I like this idea of just like, oh, I love this. I love that. Yeah.

Doree:                Great. Wow. Alright, well Kate, let's take another break.

Kate:                    Great.

Doree:                And we'll be right back.

Kate:                    Okay. Here's a question that we've gotten a bunch before and I just threw it in to see if anything popped to mind for us. This person texted us and they said, hi, love the podcast so much. I'm going to visit LA for the first time later this month. I live in Indianapolis. What is your can't miss recommendation for me to do or eat for context? I'm tagging along on my husband's work trip and we'll be there for a long weekend. Thanks. So I think the most important thing to understand about Los Angeles is that it is enormous. You will be getting around by car because that is just kind of where most people land when they're visiting. And the traffic here is miserable. So if you are staying in Santa Monica, which is the west side of Los Angeles, you're probably not going to want to try a restaurant in Pasadena, which is to the east of Los Angeles. It's its own city. It's a little hard. I think whenever we get this question, it's a little hard to be like, you've got to go to this spot in downtown LA because you might be staying in Westwood. The city is tricky for these kinds of things. So what I would do is I would look at whatever neighborhood you're staying in, you're welcome to Texas back and tell us. But I would consider your neighborhood that you're in any other neighborhoods that you want to visit, like, oh, I've got to go to Venice and walk on Abbott Kinney and then start to focus your restaurant searches that way because you're only here for a long weekend. I don't think you're going to want to be traipsing around town and there's such fantastic and such a diverse selection of food here and things to do. You kind of can't go wrong.

Doree:                Okay. So I echo everything Kate is saying. I also think since you live in Indianapolis, it might be nice to, if you have the option to stay near the beach because the beach is so different from where you live. Downtown LA is a big, it's like a lot of other big cities, but the beach feels very LA in a way that you can't get every other place. So that would be my first suggestion. And like Kate said, there's a ton to do around Santa Monica and Venice and Malibu, and you can do all those things. The other thing that I always think is fun to do if you have the time is a studio tour. And if you are staying over by the beach, the closest studio is probably Sony and they do do a studio tour. So you could do that. I just think it's nice to do these sort of quintessentially LA experiences or Hollywood experiences that again, you can't get anywhere else, but all the studios have tours. So if you're not staying by the beach, you can choose which one you want to do. What are some other,

Kate:                    I would go for a hike Just at Los Angeles in the city, no matter where you're staying is going to have most likely, if you're near, near the hills, an accessible hike. And if you're anywhere else, you might have an accessible flat area to walk in. But the hikes in la, some of them are beautiful, some of them are just fun for people watching. Pick something relatively easy, go to Griffith Park and look at the observatory. That's a good one. But I think walking in LA I think it's really fun and the weather will probably be beautiful. You just get a real nice Southern California outdoor experience.

Doree:                Great suggestion. Kate. Another quintessentially la place to go is Angelina or Juta. There's also a restaurant on the Malibu Pier, I think it's called Malibu Farm. And the food is sort of like whatever. But it's a lovely, again, LA Beach experience. I love the beach. I think the beach is a great activity.

Kate:                    I love riding. You can also rent bikes and then ride from Malibu to Marina Delrey and that's really fun to ride along the beach and just kind of take in the skateboarders and the people at the lifting weights in Venice. And it's just kind of a fun LA experience. The other place I love, which if you can figure out how to get into, is the Magic Castle.

Doree:                Oh yeah, good idea.

Kate:                    Which is literally a club, private club for magicians where you can go see shows. You have to know somebody who can help get you in, but

Doree:                Okay. I will say the last time I went to the Magic Castle, the main show, if you end up going, you get a ticket to the main, I forget what they call it, the main show. And the guy was very maga.

Kate:                    Okay. Gross. I mean the Magic Castle has had some controversial, I think, issues

Doree:                And I was like, okay, it's time to update the,

Kate:                    Update the magic,

Doree:                The situation. So that just like your mileage may vary. And he was the only, we saw a few shows that night and we saw some closeup magic and blah, and he was the only one who had that vibe and his opener did not have that vibe, but it was really, we were all sort of like, what?

Kate:                    Oh, that sucks.

Doree:                So see who's performing. I would say, I think it's on their website. Who's performing every week and just check them out. Check out their social media. Before you go,

Kate:                    can I say one more thing? I love really old LA restaurants. I love smokehouse. I just love the kind of old story restaurants of LA and I think is kind of the most fun old school.

Doree:                Totally.

Kate:                    So I would check that out.

Doree:                Moosa Frank's is great. Dantana's is great.

Kate:                    I've never been there.

Doree:                Oh my god. Kate, we should go.

Kate:                    Okay. I would love that. I've also never been to El Coyote.

Doree:                Oh, I'll go there with you. But it's like, I mean the food is not,

Kate:                    It's fine, but that's another old one that's like almost 10 old.

Doree:                It's another old one. Yeah. Yes, totally.

Kate:                    Alright,

Doree:                Alright. Can we just read this baby gate one

Kate:                    and be done with it?

Doree:                Intentions?

Kate:                    We sure can. Doree, let's get the show on the road.

Doree:                Alright, here's another email. Just wanted to share a quick laugh with you. I sold a baby gate on Facebook marketplace and the lady who picked it up took a step into my hallway and goes, don't worry about the state of your house. I've had kids so I know what it's like. I couldn't help But laugh because I hadn't even realized it looked that chaotic. Guess I've become immune to the piles of stuff everywhere. I'm not the tidiest, but I refuse to let it stop me from having friends over embracing the mess. Hope this brings a smile to your face. That did bring a smile to my face. Thank you so much for that smile.

Kate:                    I'm smiling as well.

Doree:                It's very funny.

Kate:                    That's hilarious.

Doree:                It's like, don't worry about the thing about don't worry about this thing that you hadn't even realized was a quote. Problem is hilarious to me.

Kate:                    I know. I can't decide if that's helpful or an insult. I can't figure out how I feel about that statement.

Doree:                I think ultimately unhelpful but funny. I think it's okay to say something like that. If the person is like, oh my God, I know my house is so messy. I'm so sorry. Then you can be like, oh, don't worry about it. I've had kids, I've been there. But to preemptively say that when the person has not said anything is a little like I get it was probably well-intentioned, but a little off if you'll Yes. Okay. Kate, last week you were going to do, so we're in the intention zone now. Welcome, welcome. One and all. Okay. How was your foot? Rolling.

Kate:                    I mean, you can see I'm just embracing all aspects of foot care. It's going well. And I love this for you. I am rolling, I'm massaging. I'm doing all of it. So I'm doing it. I'm being consistent. That's the most important thing.

Doree:                Okay, that's great. And what do you have going on this week?

Kate:                    This week I got a digital camera in my buy nothing group. I'm very excited to be joining the teens of America and using an old digital, I couldn't find any of my digital cameras that we,

Doree:                I have mine. I have mine and I have the charger.

Kate:                    You need Doree. These are the hottest ticket items for the youth. Wait, Right now I'm showing you.

Doree:                I'm going to show you.

Kate:                    Oh, you have it right?

Doree:                I'm holding.

Kate:                    Oh my gosh. Look at your little elf.

Doree:                Yeah, I have a little elf.

Kate:                    We definitely still have them somewhere, but I couldn't find them. And I started hyper fixating and then I was like, I'm going to post and buy nothing. And someone came through, it didn't come with a charger, so I've got to figure that out.

Doree:                But I have a charger and I still have an SD card in here. I wonder

Kate:                    What the You got, you should start using it. I think it's agreat, what is it on this SD card? Oh, Doree, buckle up.

Doree:                Oh boy.

Kate:                    I dunno. I think it's so interesting that the Youngs are fooling around with digital cameras, like old ones, vintage one. Vintage ones, but you know what I mean. The one that we had when we were in our twenties. And I also like it as a tool to get me off my phone because often I'm like, oh, I've got to bring my phone. It's my camera. But what if wasn't a camera was my camera.

Doree:                Yeah.

Kate:                    Mind blown. Yeah. I'm leaning into that today.

Doree:                I love this for you.

Kate:                    What are you up to? Tell me what's going on over there.

Doree:                Okay, so last week I was talking about my tennis elbow. Now I did go to see a doctor and he gave me some anti-inflammatory meds that have been helping. But my understanding is that they just mask the symptoms. They don't actually cure anything. And I was supposed to start physical therapy on Thursday and they called me the day before and were like, your therapist is not available in this sort of mysterious way that made it sound like there was some scandal. And then they weren't able to reschedule me for, and I had an appointment, I have another appointment on this coming week, but they were like, well, you need an evaluation. So now it's this whole thing. And I don't know when physical therapy is actually going to start, but I was able to play tennis this weekend and it was fine. But again, I'm like, am I doing more damage TBD? So that's what's going on. So Kate, I mentioned this on the casual chat, but we are going glamping with Henry's school and I'm really excited about it and it's really, it's a weekend for him and I want it to be very special for him. It's going to be last time with his friends from preschool. And I mean obviously he will still go to school for the rest of the year, but this is a special thing away that he gets to do and he's so excited about it and I just want it to be a nice special time for him. So that is what I'm doing, which I think basically just means buying s'more supplies. That seems to be what he's most excited about.

Kate:                    Yum.

Doree:                I'll save you a s'more.

Kate:                    That's what I'm excited about.

Doree:                Right. Okay. Well, Kate, this has been a delight and I just want to remind everyone that Forever35 is hosted and produced by me, Doree Shafrir and Kate Spencer, and produced and edited by Sam Junio. Sami Reed is our project manager and our network partner is Acast. Thank you all so very much for listening.

Kate:                    Bye bye.