Listener Q&A: All About Aesthetics
Kate and Doree wonder about the younger generation’s obsession with Drunk Elephant, and plan to do yoga in the new year. Then, they hear from listeners about an amazing Vaseline product, the ultimate scrunchie hack, and how to navigate a changing friendship.
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Kate: Hello and welcome to Forever35, a podcast about the things we do to take care of ourselves. I am Kate Spencer,
Doree: And I am Doree Shafrir.
Kate: And we are not experts.
Doree: We're not. Were just two friends who like to talk a lot about serums.
Kate: You sounded so defeated when you said that we're not
Doree: We're not experts.
Kate: The longer we do this, the more we realize how little we know.
Doree: It's so true.
Kate: There is a little bit of that where I'm like, I know nothing. Or actually, you know what I'm kind of realizing? I'm like, I am stuck. How do I explain this? I don't actually, I haven't followed. I haven't kept up.
Doree: Oh, interesting. In what sense?
Kate: A little bit. I think it's just having a 13-year-old has really made me feel like clueless a little bit. And maybe this is just, I don't know, maybe parents of teens can speak to this. Is this just what it's like the teen in your home? It just highlights to you who you are now? I don't know. So there's a little bit of just like, wow, I don't know anything anymore. Not only am I not an expert, but I mean when it comes to skincare, it's like, well, one, my child's like blah, blah, blah, niacinamide drops, blah, blah, blah. So there's that element where I'm like, oh my gosh, what is happening?
Doree: I actually have a question about that. Kate and I talked, I wonder if you can enlighten me.
Kate: I'll do my best.
Doree: I keep seeing parents of teens and tweens saying that the luxury, and we're recording. I should also say we're recording this right before Christmas, but people are saying that the luxury skincare that their children want is drunk Elephant.
Kate: Yes. My daughter loves Drunk Elephant and also Glow Recipe.
Doree: How and when did this happen? Is it because of TikTok?
Kate: So my child is not allowed on TikTok. They don't have a TikTok, I should say, to my knowledge, because they do have access to screens and they could be doing things that I don't know about. Even though we do check their screens.
Doree: They could be ticking and toking
Kate: If that child is ticking and toking. Lemme tell you, they're going to be in to rubs, but my child does have access to YouTube. There's something called YouTube shorts, which is essentially just people putting tiktoks on YouTube. So there are 8 million workarounds. My kid doesn't have an Instagram account, but she has figured out that she can go into a browser and type instagram.com/taylor Swift 13, I think. I can't remember what Taylor Swift's Instagram is. And to be clear, I could block more of these things or also not give my child any access to any screen. So part of this is with my understanding that I am aiding and abetting, but also that is just my family has their own way of doing things and your family is going to have your own way of doing things, parents with teens and tweens. So it has been very interesting to me to talk. I try to really talk to her a lot about the brands she's interested in and the things she likes or the things that don't appeal to her. And what I find is a lot of it is unquote aesthetic, which is a hot button word for the TikTok set, and they love the way things look.
Doree: So for Drunk Elephant, it's the packaging.
Kate: I think it is the packaging. It is the way the bottles open and clothes. My daughter loves the idea. We actually were at Sephora this weekend shopping with my dad and stepmom who were visiting, and she showed me how to make what she called a skincare smoothie, which is definitely something she learned from an influencer and did it using Drunk Elephant. Or actually, maybe this is a drunk elephant term because now I just Googled this and Drunk Elephant has it on their website and it is a mixing of products altogether, like a smoothie and then putting it on your face. And the way that drunk elephants kind of pump mechanism for their moisturizers, they come in kind of like a tube, and then you pump it and it squirts out of the top. So it's almost in this little tray. So she was showing me you drop all the little products in and mix it up and then put it on. So I think the brand bubble that she likes from Target also has that mechanism for the moisturizer. She's obsessed with Glow Recipe, and I think that has to do a lot with the packaging. This is just what I've kind of ascertained. I will also add that this my kid who I'm talking about I think is, and then I don't really want to get into her anymore because as I've told her, I'm trying to maintain her privacy, but I think she's extremely visual and creative. There's a part of me that thinks she's going to be some sort of designer. She sees things in the design of things that I don't see. She looked at it was looking at a bag and pointed out how she liked the way the button was branded, and I was like, that's not something I would ever notice. She's very kind of visually oriented. And so I think she sees these things kind of satisfy her in a way that I don't really care about packaging. But also these younger people are growing up in such a different visual world than we did and everything, their access to think their friends, even if my child wasn't looking at a YouTube video, she and her friends text when she buys stuff, she then goes and films a hall video to send to her friends.
Doree: Oh, interesting.
Kate: It's just a different, and I don't think it's specifically unique to my kid. I kind of get the vibe that this is very
Doree: Yeah, I mean, that's why I asked
Kate: A general.
Doree: Yeah, I didn't mean to necessarily single out your child.
Kate: No, no, no. I didn't take that way.
Doree: It was more that I have been seeing this from parents, many parents of they'll post their child's Christmas wishlist and Drunk Elephant will be on the list. And I'm like, how of all the brands? And when did Drunk Elephant, which I think is a great brand, but is expensive and has been around for a minute. So when did it just become hot among the teens? I have not seen them targeting teenagers, but I'm also not a teenager. So I don't know. How did they hire influencers? I have no idea. I'm fascinated by this.
Kate: I don't know. And because I'm not on TikTok and I am really not spending a lot of time on Instagram, I kind of don't know how it's getting targeted to these younger kids. And I do think it's really interesting because the other thing I tried to talk to my daughter about and have been trying to ascertain is, is this coming from a place of worrying about her looks? Because that is what it was for me when I was a teenager. And what I have gathered is that it's not, it's that. It's like she literally kind of enjoys the collecting of the item. And I said to her, I was like, is this kind of like when you liked Shopkins, which are these tiny little shitty plastic things?
Doree: Oh, that's so funny.
Kate: It's almost the same mentality of like, oh, this is visually cool and tactile
Doree: That's so interesting
Kate: Because I have not, and again, this is just me as one person observing my one child. I haven't observed it as a, I have to look a certain way or about my skin. I mean, obviously there's the normal expressions of that.
Doree: Yes.
Kate: But it's more almost like collecting.
Doree: Yes, I could see that.
Kate: Now what's hilarious is that these are things that we require her to buy on her own. And she gets a monthly allowance and she has learned very quickly how expensive this shit is. And that's not fun. And I talk a lot about about how all of, we talk about the branding and the marketing and how we're being marketed too. I try to incorporate that in the conversations and talk about my own insecurities and all these things. I want her to kind of understand best she can as a teenager, how we're being instructed to spend our money and how we're being marketed to and what they're, and we're all susceptible to it. But I do think it's really interesting. It's really fascinating. Yeah. Yep.
Doree: Well, Kate, this is our first episode of the New Year.
Kate: I am excited. I mean, I'm not because it doesn't feel like this will mean anything, but 24 is my favorite number, and so
Doree: I did not know that.
Kate: Yeah, It's my favorite number because my favorite baseball player growing up was Dwight Evans on the Boston Red Sox, right fielder and he's number 24. They didn't retire his number. So other Red Sox players have had it since including, I want to say Manny Ramirez was Manny Ramirez, 24, and maybe they retired it with him. I think Big Poppy was 34. Nobody cares but me about this information. But anyway, Dwight Evans number 24 on the Red Sox in the eighties and early nineties until he was traded to the Orioles, and that's just been my favorite number since I was in fourth grade.
Doree: I love this.
Kate: I love the number 24. I love an even number. I hate odd numbers. Creep me out. So yeah. So I feel, yeah, I have that thing where numbers have personalities. We've talked about this, right?
Doree: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like an odd number. I like 22.
Kate: Okay. I respect an even number. It's almost too, even for my tastes, but I like it.
Doree: It's too even for my tastes.
Kate: I know. So that's the only thing going into this year that I've just have. There's no rhyme or reason for me to be excited about it being 2024 chances this is going to be a dumpster fire of a year. But I love the number 24.
Doree: This is great. I hope that your love of the number 24 is going to kind of carry us through, because honestly, 2023 can go eff itself.
Kate: It can truly get effed. Every year since 2020. 2020. I have this feeling of surely this year can't be worse.
Doree: Totally.
Kate: And yet, the years they keep proving me wrong, and I don't want to jinx us, but here in the United States, we're having a fucking presidential election this year, and one of the people running is a sociopath. So this could be, I don't know. I don't know. We'll try to get through.
Doree: We'll do our best.
Kate: I'm going to probably try to do the Yoga with Adrian Challenge in January and just try to,
Doree: Oh, that's fun.
Kate: I don't think she calls it a challenge, but she, does
Doree: She call it like 30 day? I thought she does call it like a 30 day something. Did I make that up? What?
Kate: Adrian, what do you call it? Flow A 30 day yoga journey 2024. I'm going to do it. I did it last year.
Doree: year of a journey.
Kate: Yes. I didn't finish. I didn't finish it, but I did at least 20 of the classes and I really loved it. She's just a delight
Doree: Question. I've never done her 30 day challenge. Are there specific classes you're supposed to do for the 30 day challenge, or are you supposed to do any of her classes?
Kate: No. So she every year curates a 30 day kind of this whole practice. And each day there's a new class that she offers that goes up on her YouTube, and they all really kind of work together this 30 day yoga journey that she does every January. So no, it's all new classes and it starts, she really builds a foundation. I've only done it once. I have friends who do it every year. I only did it for the first time last year. But it's really lovely and I think it's pretty accessible to folks who might be new to yoga and also people who maybe are more experienced practitioners. So I think you would really like it. And she's just has really good energy.
Doree: She does have the best energy.
Kate: She really does, and so does Sweet Benji, her dog. So
Doree: Sweet. Benji,
Kate: You know what? Here on the website it says Invite a friend. Accountability is awesome. I know who I'm going to invite. Doree Shafrir
Doree: Me?
Kate: Yeah, I'll just send you this link.
Doree: Little old me?
Kate: I'll send you this link and we'll include it in the show notes if anybody wants to join in and let us know if you're trying it. I also feel like there's no pressure. You try one class, you miss a day, you do the next day. Just do what you want.
Doree: I actually was thinking about yoga today because I was like, I need to incorporate more stretching and yoga back into my routine because I'm doing a lot of tennis, which is kind of hard on your joints. So I've been feeling like I should be doing some more yoga. So maybe this is perfect timing. This is kismet.
Kate: Ooh. See this year? Okay, so far. I mean, again, we're recording it before we actually are in the year, but this is feeling good. This feels like a good way to go into this new year.
Doree: It does, it does. Now, Kate, we should take a break. We do have some questions from our listeners that I want to get to. Before we do that, I do just want to remind everyone that our website is Forever35podcast.com. We have links to everything we mention on the show over there. We're also on Instagram @Forever35podcast. Our Patreon is at patreon.com/forever35. We do a bunch of fun things over there. We have casual chats, which are basically longer versions of the beginnings of these episodes.
Kate: Its truly us just shooting the shit,
Doree: Chit chatting. It's fun though.
Kate: And we don't know where it's going to go. It can get vulnerable. It can get silly. Yeah, it goes both
Doree: Ways. It's true. It does. And also, we're still recapping the OC Got to love those 27 episode broadcast season.
Kate: and you know what? Frankly, happy anniversary, happy 20 year anniversary to the oc.
Doree: Totally, Totally.
Kate: There's a new book out about the OC that I want to read.
Doree: I'm dying to read it written by my fellow Penn grad Alan Senal, who was a senior at Penn when I was a freshman, and he was on the magazine that I was an editor of. So we have a connection and we have newsletter Forever35 podcast.com/newsletter. And you us at (781) 591-0390 and email us at Forever35 podcast@gmail.com. And we're going to take a break. We'll be right back.
Kate: Okay, Doree, another thing I've noticed, just speaking about being around 13 year olds all the time, what is that? My kid went to me, she was like, okay. And I was like, what? And I realized this when I realized this is when I had this moment of generations are different because I will be like, okay, I'm going to Brb, but she just calls it, which is literally something that you have said on this podcast I have. And set it like LOL. Who would say that? Well, I'm telling you who would say it? 13 year olds, they just say brb.
Doree: Fascinating.
Kate: Among other things. I mean, I'm called bruh 15 fucking times a day.
Doree: Oh my God. Oh, that's so funny.
Kate: You've got to get over here and hang with this 13-year-old. It is bananas.
Doree: Wow.
Kate: It is bananas. Well, you know whats also bananas.
Doree: What Kate?
Kate: That I don't own this product that this listener texted about.
Doree: What is it?
Kate: Okay, here's what they said. I hadn't even heard about this. Had to pause the pod when I heard Kate's Vaseline Stick Wreck. Vaseline also makes a lightly tinted, gently shimmery version that is perfect for giving your cheeks a highlight or glossing over your collarbones shins or shoulders. It has a lovely summary scent, one of my favorite finds. It's called the Vaseline Cocoa Shimmer Jelly stick.
Doree: Ooh,
Kate: You don't say listener, you don't say a body luminizer is what it's called on the target website. Don't mind if I do. Now I can only get this shipped via target.com, but I might pick this up. I'm intrigued. I've also never thought about using my Vaseline stick as a body highlighter, which is also kind of intriguing. I normally just smear it on my face at night. But I like this. I like this recommendation. I like it. Alright, Doree, why don't you read this next message.
Doree: Okay. Hey Kat and Dor, my cousin is my best friend and she's been pulling away from me. I know she's busy with her kids and life, but so am I. And yet I always make time for her and doesn't for me. I'm not close with my family, so I'm holding on very hard to this relationship. But is it time to let it go? I've brought this up to her three times and each time she just says that she loves me but is busy and can't give anymore. She'll send a gift for my kids, which is appreciated. And yet I feel like she and I don't connect on a personal level. It's only ever about the kids. And usually the focus of our calls is just on her kids. How do I grieve a loss of a family member slash friend and move on? I should stop trying, right? Ps we're both in our forties, so I feel totally stupid feeling this way. Thank you.
Kate: Well, I don't think you should be hard on yourself and feel stupid that this is something that you would feel as a kid, but not as a person in your forties. These are valid feelings and grieving the changes or end of a relationship is a totally legitimate way to feel. There's nothing stupid about that feeling. So I just want to alleviate some of that for you. It sounds like you've communicated to this cousin and the cousin has communicated back that they can't give. You have all the info here. She loves you but is busy and can't give anymore. And I would say add onto that sentence right now because I don't know how young this person's kids are or your kids, but that can really throw a life into chaos, working finances, other challenges. It can really be a lot. So it sounds like she has expressed to you this is, this is what I can give. And now it's up to you to just either decide if that's okay with you or not. If you're like, okay, I hear that and that I can navigate my feelings, or if it's something that you want to, I don't know what the word is, marinate on a little bit and decide if maybe that's not okay with you. And then what happens?
Doree: I mean, I always think in these situations it's like a useful exercise to try to think about what the other person would've written in to ask for advice.
Kate: Oh, that's a really good way to think of things. I've never thought that. What are you a genius? I've never thought that like, oh gee. What about if the other person in the situation wrote in? Yeah,
Doree: What would they say? What do you think they would say?
Kate: They would maybe be like, I really love my cousin. She's expressed to me that I'm not being, not making time for her, but I'm so busy. I can barely keep my head afloat and I don't know what else to do and I feel really guilty, but this is the best I can do. That would be my guess.
Doree: Yeah, I mean I think she might say she keeps bringing it up
Kate: And you've expressed,
Doree: And I've really tried to, I thought I'd been very clear with her that it's not about her, it's about my life right now. But she just doesn't seem to want to accept that. And look, I have no idea if I'm right or you're right. But that's kind of what I'm gleaning from this, which is like I've brought this up to her three times and she's had the same reaction each time. She can't give any more. So to me it feels like at this point in your lives, and I think Kate, what you said about it being like for right now is so important for whatever reason, and we don't have all the information here and we don't have her point of view. For whatever reason, she thinks that you need more from her right now than she is able to give. And because of that, I guess that she doesn't want to disappoint you. And so she's kind of shutting down because she feels like she can't live up to whatever expectations you have set on the relationship. And maybe those are expectations that she was able to fulfill at one time and that's why you're feeling especially bad about this. But I think it sucks. And I think the best thing to do is to accept what she is telling you and kind of let her be the one to reach out again. And how do you grieve it? You grieve it. You can be sad about it.
Kate: Totally.
Doree: And don't feel stupid. These are the hard things about adulthood when these relationships change and there's no real roadmap for it either. Could she have handled this better? Probably. But we don't know. You know what I mean? We don't have that information. And I feel like if I were in the cousin's position and a friend or a family member repeatedly told me that I was not being a good friend to them, I would be like, well, I've told you that I am just not in a place right now where I can do that. And I think I would feel very frustrated that my boundary setting was not getting through. So that's what I'm also gleaning from this. And I hope that doesn't sound unsympathetic because I am very sympathetic to what's going on here because when these relationships change, it's very hard. But unfortunately, I think right now you have to just take what she's telling you at face value.
Kate: Yeah, I mean I would also commend you for both, for communicating with each other. That is incredible because oftentimes these things aren't communicated and we AKA Me, we just let it fester. And so I think it's really brave of you to have communicated your feelings and to have your cousin communicate. I think also, I actually had an experience recently where I had a friendship that was really close and really intense and then it really kind of ended and I grieved it for years. And recently I saw the person and it was really lovely and I kind of made peace with it in a way of, that was a really meaningful relationship to me and it was wonderful. And now it's changed and we aren't that to each other anymore. But it doesn't mean that the relationship wasn't valuable and important and it doesn't mean that that person doesn't still care about me.
Doree: Totally.
Kate: It it's just changed. And that stage was then and now it's this. But that took me years. So these relationships are so deep and such a part of us, and especially you're a relative with this person. And you said, you mentioned that this listener mentioned that they aren't close with their family, so there's that whole layer too that's really intense. So I wished you a lot of luck and love.
Doree: Yeah, me too. Kate. We should take another break.
Kate: Okay. I guess I'll allow it.
Doree: Okay. Alright. We are back with a text. Hey, Forever35 fam. Do we have any collective thoughts on the product? Lash Grand? I've been using it for a few months and feel like my lashes are noticeably longer, but I'm not sure if this is a placebo effect. And I'm also a bit worried about putting a product so close to my eyes for a sustained period of time, afraid to Google it because you can find horror stories with any product if you look hard enough. But would love to know if anyone else has used this product and if they've had success or noticed any hidden side effects. Thanks.
Kate: I think I wrote about lash serums or mascara with Lash Serums and I can't remember if I tried Grand Lash or not. Look, I'm not a scientist or a doctor. I think you're probably fine using a lash serum and I would suspect you're probably seeing some results. That being said, anytime you use a product, I don't know, anytime I consistently use a product that promises a result, I too often feel like I see it, but sometimes I'm like, is that just because I've been using it? So I'm telling myself there's a difference? Who can say, can say, I think you've just got to make your choice and if you think it's working and this is a product you want to keep buying, just then do it.
Doree: Yeah. I have not used it. I've never used a lash lengthening thing, so I don't have any personal experience with it. But if you are listening and you have used Lash Grand or something similar, please let us know.
Kate: And I think it's also like you could Google it.
Doree: Well, she say she didn't want to, but I'm didn't want to.
Kate: I'm saying you also probably, you're right, you're going to find horror stories for anything. I would also, I bet you could Google and find things that are fairly balanced or someone hopefully will write in and we'll share that information with you.
Doree: Yes.
Kate: Okay. Here is something that blew my mind. Truly this changed the way I think about everything. Alright, this is a text message. Hi Kate and Doree Scrunchie storage. Just note someone had written in and was like, how do you store hair stuff? And I was like, I shove it in a bin. Okay, this person said, just pause the pod at the gym. No one is waiting for this machine to share an organizing hack. Paper towel holders, the ones with a rod that stands up from a base. Just stack the scrunchies on the rod. I don't remember where I learned this, but I've been doing it for a few years and no lost scrunchies. Okay.
Doree: Wow.
Kate: Is this something you knew was happening, Doree, that people in the world were putting scrunchies on paper towel holders?
Doree: No, I didn't. But we have a paper towel holder that is this and I'm wondering should I repurpose it for my scrunchies?
Kate: Yeah, I mean are you using it for paper towels?
Doree: Yes.
Kate: I mean, I think you could get yourself a pretty affordable paper towel holder at the dollar store even and use that as a scrunchie holder.
Doree: Great point. Kate.
Kate: I love the Dollar Store.
Doree: The Dollar store is great.
Kate: I fricking love the Dollar Store. And there's a variety of dollar stores where I live. There's Dollar King, there's the 99 cents store, there's Dollar Tree. I love them all, Doree. This is where I would go to find my paper towel holder if I or my buy nothing group. Ooh, okay. This is giving me lots of ideas.
Doree: Okay, Alright.
Kate: Anthony's going to be like, what? Why are the paper towels just strewn about the house and my scrunchies suddenly also paper towel holder.
Doree: Weird.
Kate: We only have one paper towel holder, but this is a great idea.
Doree: A great idea.
Kate: I think it was also a couple people, I think it wasn't just this one listener. I think a few people were like, Hey, the secret is paper towel holders. You could also buy, you know how sometimes paper towel holders can be adhesive adhesive? That's not a verb. Stuck with adhesive onto a wall or a cabinet. You could also do that.
Doree: Oh yes, I do know. Yeah, I do know.
Kate: Okay. Great hot tip listener. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. Well listen, it's so fun to hear from people. We love when you call and write. So again, just a friendly reminder, (781) 591-0390. Call or text us. You can also email us Forever35podcast@gmail.com. Well, Doree, it is time for intentions.
Doree: It is time.
Kate: Let's say you are listening to this podcast for the first time and you're like, I have no idea what's happening or what these two people are talking about. And now I really have no idea what's up. Let me tell you. We like to end each episode with just a little check-in where we set an intention for the week, and this can really be anything. Last week, my intention was to figure out how to wrap presents before Christmas Eve. And so honestly, after saying that, I just started wrapping presents.
Doree: Oh Wow.
Kate: So I've been kind of slowly wrapping a few every day and I'm trying to get through it. I am often a last minute everything person.
Doree: I did all of Henry's Hanukkah presents very last minute,
Kate: Like five minutes before.
Doree: Night before. Yeah. I was going to give them to him. I'd be like, oh wait, got to go wrap your present.
Kate: Hold it there. Yeah. It feels good to have it done ahead of time, but also there's only so many hours in the day and there's a lot going on.
Doree: Ain't that the truth, Kate? It's the truth.
Kate: It is my truth and it is the truth. This in week, my intention in addition to just kind of enjoying the holiday times with my family is just to read. Now look, you might be saying, wow, what a basic intention Kate reading. But I tell you what, it's hard for me to read. My brain is just like, don't read. Look at Redfin and look at houses in another state.
Doree: Kate, I was there. Yeah, it's hard.
Kate: Anyone else have that hobby looking at houses in a completely random place that you don't live and probably never will. That's one of my favorite activities.
Doree: That's tough.
Kate: So I really, I have some books that I'd like to be Blurbing, which is a work thing. And then I have a new Regency romance that I want to crack into. I have been reading Joanna Soup Baby. She writes some really good romance books.
Doree: That's fun.
Kate: Gilded Age. I'm sorry, maybe not Regency. Gilded Age. Historical Romance. Age. Gilded Age.
Doree: Yes. This might be up my alley.
Kate: Oh, let me tell you, you'll be in an alley with a Duke.
Doree: Oh. Oh, okay. Making out.
Kate: You'll be getting busy with a Duke in an alley if you read some of her books. Yeah, shes great.
Doree: I can get into that.
Kate: Okay, great. There we go. Anyway, Doree, how about you? What is your intention
Doree: For that? So my intention last time we talked about intentions was to get through Hanukkah. And Hanukkah was great. We had a great time. Henry loved his presence. I'm so glad. So yeah, it was good. We went to a friend's house, went to a couple of friends' houses actually. So yeah, it was lovely. And now this week it's more of a monthly thing. My friend Alyssa Sussman, who has been on the podcast and is the author of some very excellent books. I'm doing a 30 Day, she came up with the idea for a 30 day screenplay writing challenge in the style of Nano Rmo, which is November National Novel Writing month, I guess. And you're supposed to write a novel in a month, essentially. So I was like, I'll do this. I don't know why. I'm spread way too thin and I like to start things and not finish them. So I'm mostly saying this for accountability.
Kate: Here it is, folks.
Doree: So the idea is that you write every day and I'm going to try to do it. I'm going to have to really schedule the time. But I think I can do it.
Kate: You definitely can do it. I believe in you. Do you have an idea for I do film? I do have an idea. Awesome.
Doree: We'll see. We'll see how it goes.
Kate: Good luck.
Doree: Thank you. Well, Kate, this is the time when we thank our $10 and above Patreon supporters.
Kate: I love this.
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Kate: Happy new year. Bye.