2023: A Year In Review
Kate and Doree reflect on their highlights from 2023, from parenting wins and social media breaks to doing “the work” in therapy.
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Kate: Hello and welcome to Forever35, a podcast about the things we do to take care of ourselves. I am Kate Spencer
Doree: And I am Doree Shafrir.
Kate: And we are not experts.
Doree: We're not, we're two friends who like to talk a lot about serums
Kate: And today is our year in review.
Doree: Yeah, we decided to do a year in review
Kate: And then Doree came up with a nice hook for our yearend review. I was like, what are we going to talk about in this? Are we recapping month by month? And you suggested five things we're proud of.
Doree: I did, because you know what, I'll be honest, this year has been hard for me and my family and there is a version of this episode where I just kind of talk about all the depressing things that have happened this year. And I was like, that's just going to be, I dunno, that's going to be depressing for me and for everyone else. And I am trying to reframe the narrative a little bit and remember that there are things that I am proud of this year. So. Here we go.
Kate: This is kind of also interesting too, because it's thinking of things that you're proud of. It requires you to, this is going to sound pretty sad like yourself or tap into things. For me, this is a hard thing to access things I'm proud of. I too, it would be much easier if you were like it 2023 constructive criticism for yourself. I would be like, no problem.
Doree: Yes.
Kate: 20 things off the top of my head.
Doree: Yes, exactly.
Kate: But I had to kind of really reflect and it isn't always comfortable to be like, oh, I'm proud of myself. So
Doree: Just trying to get us out of our comfort zones.
Kate: This was an interesting journey. I mean, I'm there. How would you like to proceed? Do you want to each do one at a time? Do we want to
Doree: Yes, do one at a time.
Kate: Okay. Alright. Number one, Doree, what's your number one?
Doree: My number one
Kate: Things you're proud of? 2023.
Doree: My number one is that I joined a tennis team and I'm proud of this because I had originally said when I started playing tennis again during the pandemic, I was like, this is just going to be for me. I just want to play tennis. It's really fun to become a better tennis player. And then, I don't know, two years in, I was like, part of the fun of tennis is being able to play with other people. And in order to really play with other people, you kind of have to be at a certain intermediate level where it's fun for you and it's fun for the other person because you don't want to play with someone who's so much better than you that they're not having fun. And my lessons were great, but I wasn't really learning how to play with someone else. It was a lot of technique, which is obviously very important. And so I was like, you know what? I'm going to join a tennis team. And I only won one match, but it was great. And I met some people and now one of the people from that team started a different team for this season, USTA, which is United States Tennis Association, decides every season what the teams are going to be. So this season they said there's going to be over 40 teams, so over age 40. So she put together an over 40 women's team and I joined it, and so I'm going to do it again. And it's been really fun. It's fun to have more people to play tennis with. So I am proud of myself that I joined the tennis team. I also have, my serve is not that good, but I had to kind of get over that. It has now improved to the point where at least I get it in.
Kate: Yes, you make the serve.
Doree: Yes, I make the serve. It's not a great serve, but I get it in which is an improvement. So that is one thing that I'm proud of from this year.
Kate: Congratulations.
Doree: Thank you so much.
Kate: How often does your team play?
Doree: So this new team just started, actually the season doesn't start till the new year, but we've been practicing. There's usually one or two scheduled practices a week. And then I will usually either hit with someone or play live ball another day a week. So I'm playing probably twice a week, sometimes more. Sometimes it's three times, but I'm playing pretty consistently.
Kate: I think that's great way to push yourself out of your comfort zone on that one.
Doree: Thank you so much. Kate, what about you? What's your first thing?
Kate: Okay, My first one is that I finished writing my second novel.
Doree: Yeah, you did.
Kate: One last summer, which creatively and confidence wise was a real challenge for me. And there were moments of deep despair, again, and I'm really proud of where it ended up. And I really fell in love with the book by the end. But there were just moments where I was, it was a really challenging process, getting this book to the place where I felt good about it. And I really went through a little bit of a wringer in terms of who do I think I am that I think I can write books. I had a lot of maybe, maybe it was a fluke that I've written a novel and I can't really do this. I had a lot of that, a lot, a lot of that. And so I'm very proud that I finished and I'm really proud of the story and I feel proud of it. And I have to give a big shout out to my editor, Amy, who has been amazing through this process, who might even be listening, who was just a true saint and cheerleader and support system as I worked through this one and really helped me make the book as good as I think it could be. But it was like a real journey, Doree. There were times where I was like, what the fuck do I, should I just throw this away and never write a book again? What am I doing? Not to mention the time and the amount. I'd work on the podcast and do other stuff and work and then feed my kids, put my kids to bed, and then go back to work. Just kind of the physical exhaustion of writing. It was a lot, but now it is almost done. The bulk of the writing. Now we're just kind of in the final touches of things. So that feels really good. And then of course, I'm like, can't wait to write more books. Hope somebody wants more books from me. I have more ideas. I love writing books, but sometimes it's really an emotional slog.
Doree: It's a lot. It's a lot.
Kate: It's a lot. But I do love these two characters so much. I really fell in love with them by the end. And they have some open door sex, so if you're into that, you're into some smooching. It's happening in the second book.
Doree: I don't know if I'm into that, but maybe when I read it, I will be into that.
Kate: You don't have a choice, my friend. So you have to read it and you have to love it.
Doree: What if I get to those pages and I just hold my hands over my eyes and I'm like, ah, no,
Kate: I would not be offended. I don't begrudge anybody.
Doree: I'm just kidding. I will read it.
Kate: In sincere honesty. Not every book is for every person, and I am never offended if somebody doesn't read my work or my work. I don't need to know about it necessarily, but it's okay.
Doree: Right. Keep it to yourself.
Kate: Enough from me. Yeah, I have a set up now. Okay. Doree number two in your list. Number 2.
Doree: Number two is I taught some new people how to play Mahjong, and now I have a second regular Mahjong game
Kate: With different people than the original regular people
Doree: With different people than the original Mahjong game. And this is very exciting for me because I'll talk about this more in a bit because it is another one of my bullet points. But just figuring out how I like to socialize has been a big theme for me over the past few years, especially post pandemic. And I love a game night. I love having the focus be on something that is not making small talk, which I know has its place, but which I find very draining and hard after a while, not even after a while
Kate: Within the first few seconds
Doree: Draining and hard, but give me a game and that's just like
Kate: You thrive.
Doree: Yes, I'm set. So that was very satisfying to be able to do that.
Kate: I'm very impressed that you have two ongoing Mahjong games.
Doree: Thank you so much, Kate.
Kate: Well, my number two is that I am proud that I worked really hard on kind of shifting my perspective and approach as a parent, because one thing that I really was not prepared for is how different kids are as they turn into tweens and teenagers. Your relationships change with them. And I don't think I had truly prepared for how intense and emotional that would be and what it would require for me. It really requires me to honestly shut up. It requires me to shut up and bite my tongue and just, I've had to change how I parent and how I relate to my kids. And I don't think I have done a great job of this all the time, but I think I'm proud that I'm aware of it and that I'm kind of understanding, especially my oldest child, hopefully. I mean, dear God, she or her friends could listen to this and be like, your mom thinks she's doing a good job LOL, no cap, whatever the fuck they say. But me as a parent feel like I've started to figure out how to parent them as they go through this next phase of life. Because that was, and I don't know if everybody has experienced this, who is a parent, but for me it was just like, oh my God, I have to do this differently now. They need me to show up differently and I got to change, and that's hard for me and my ego and yada yada yada. So I think I did an okay job doing that.
Doree: Yeah.
Kate: Have we had our low moments? Tons,
Doree: of course.
Kate: But I'm going to save those and keep them private.
Doree: I'll say one of my takeaways this year, and this is something that I am still struggling with, but it's just really hit home for me that it's not about the failures or the things you did wrong, again in quotes, but it's like how you recover.
Kate: Oh boy.
Doree: And how you repair
Kate: The apologizing. Yes.
Doree: And I just need to remember that and remind myself that I am a resilient person,
Kate: Yeah
Doree: That things are hard now, but it's like how am I going to get out of it?
Kate: Resilience is a good word. Resilient. That's a good word of the year for you. I like that one.
Doree: Thank you, Kate. Well, along those lines, I did something that was very scary and vulnerable for me, which is that I sent an email out to close to a hundred people, mostly professional contacts, just being like, I'm kind of struggling professionally and I would love to just talk to you about how you're doing things. And a friend of mine had sent out a similar email a few months ago. And one thing that she mentioned when I talked to her about it was that she got the biggest response from her weak ties, meaning people who she had a sort of less close relationship with.
Kate: Oh, that's fascinating.
Doree: Maybe someone she worked with 10 years ago versus her best friend. You know what I mean? Not that her best friend wasn't there for her, but that people, she was surprised by the people who kind of almost came out of the woodwork to offer to help in a professional way, a career way, who she might not have ever thought would have. And so I had that kind in my brain as I was putting together this list of people, and it was a real random list. And there were a bunch of people on there who I was like, haven't spoken to this person in years, but for whatever reason, I had a good relationship with them, or we worked together, or I know that they like helping people or they're a connector or whatever. And I was like, I'll just put them on the list. And lo and behold, for the most part, those have been the people who have been like, let's get coffee. It's very interesting. It's an interesting human behavior thing
Kate: That's really cool.
Doree: Yeah
Kate: Way to go to reach out that is asking for help in that way or just even putting yourself out there in that way is very vulnerable.
Doree: It was kind of scary, but I'm glad I did it. I think it was good practice for me to ask for what I need and to also realize that there are people who do want to help, even if it's just having a half hour phone call with me. Just talking things through doesn't have to be like, here's a job or, you know what I mean? It's just like those conversations are really valuable and I'm very grateful for them. So that's something that I'm proud of because that was a big step out of my comfort zone. And also, this is not really related, but I just shoved it in this bullet point anyway, but I launched a new podcast, which was exciting, called Too Much Money with Joe Piazza. And by the time this airs, I think we will have released five episodes, six episodes, something like that, which is exciting. And yeah, I don't know where it's going to go, but we're having fun doing it. And yeah,
Kate: It's going in my ears is where it's going. Doree,
Doree: It's going right into Kate's ears. Kate, what's next on your list?
Kate: I will share my number three, which is that I did some real all caps work in therapy on a variety of things that are notoriously very hard for me.
Doree: Oh, okay.
Kate: And this year has been, I think one of upheaval for me. It's been emotionally, we talk about a lot of stuff on the podcast, but we obviously don't share our whole lives for a reason. And this has just been a hard year. It's just been, I don't even know, even if I could pinpoint one thing, but it's just been really challenging for me, and I have just been kind of emotionally in it, and I have really tried to get a little uncomfortable in therapy and dig in a little bit more, and also look at my patterns of behavior and just certain things I'm proud of myself for going there because therapy sometimes it's nice, you just go and talk for an hour, but other times it's hard. Totally. I don't want to touch on this pain point. And as part of this, I have a friend who always sets a word as an intention for each year, and I've done it in past years with her, never kind of like, I'll pick a word and then never think about it again. But this year I picked gentle and calm and those words became very significant for me throughout the year. And I think a lot of the work I did in therapy was about how I am trying to gain those things in my life. So Long way to go, but I'm proud that I found that I went there. So Doree, should we take a little break and then come back with a couple more of our five things we're proud of.
Doree: Let's do that. We'll be right back. Oh wait. Before we take a break, let's just remind people that we do have a website Forever35podcast.com. You can find links to everything we mentioned on the show. We're also on Instagram @Forever35podcast. We have a Patreon that we're just doing some fun stuff over at patreon.com/forever35. We have a newsletter Forever35podcast.com/newsletter. The last issue of the year is going out tomorrow. And if you want to reach us, call or text us at (781) 591-0390 and email us at Forever35podcast@gmail.com. I personally would love to hear what people are proud of in their lives this year. So if you want to let us know, call, text, email us,
Kate: Spill the beans. Alright,
Doree: Now we're going to take a break. Okay. We are back.
Kate: Number fours or number fours?
Doree: Number Fours. This is a parenting related one for me. I feel like this year I really tried to see my kid and understand where he's at and meet him where he's at, but also try to stretch his comfort zones a little bit, which is, it's a delicate balance. But here's what I'll say. We had his parent teacher conference a couple of weeks ago, and he's in preschool, so it's not like he's getting a report card. It's a pretty informal conversation with his teachers. But they did this cute little slide show of his day and they kind of talked through it and had all these pictures of him and videos. It was very cute. But then at the end they were like, look, he's just a happy guy. And I was like, yeah, he's a happy guy. He just has a zest for life and kids are who they are. If my child was the total opposite, I could do all these things and he might not have a zest for life or be a happy kid, but I hope that I am cultivating and encouraging that and I think that I am. So that is something that I'm proud of as a mom.
Kate: Good job, Doree.
Doree: Thank you, Kate.
Kate: That's really sweet about you.
Doree: Sweet.
Kate: My number four is that I really focus this year on trying to get my ass offline and into the present and trying to show up intentionally and be more present for people in my life. And I think I did a better job of that this year, and this required me to get pushed out of my comfort zone a little bit. I keep saying that, but I tried to be more conscientious in terms of how do I show up? How do I express how I feel to people? How do I communicate? Am I doing a good job communicating? Am I listening? Am I receiving? But I'm, it's been really important for me to really consider how do I show up for the people and the communities that are a part of my life and how do I really show up? So I'm proud of myself. I think I did a better job with it.
Doree: I will say just as your friend, I feel like this, I feel like most of the time I've known you, you've talked about not wanting to be on social media as much, and this year you really
Kate: So ongoing,
Doree: It's an ongoing thing, but it did feel like this year there was a shift where you really did it. So as your friend, I'm proud of you for setting and keeping those boundaries with yourself because as we all know, keeping your own boundaries with yourself are the hardest boundaries to keep.
Kate: The worst, the hardest. I mean codependent no more except with myself. I'm codependent with my fucking self.
Doree: We should write that book.
Kate: We should,
Doree: Codependent no more with yourself.
Kate: I mean, I think that's kind of what you're saying though, right? It's like sometimes we can be good at setting boundaries, but we are the last person we set our own boundaries with.
Doree: Totally. And it's all those cliches of they can't get out of their own way. All those things. Okay, wait, this is a total aside, but I feel I need to say this. I need to speak my truth.
Kate: Okay, I'm ready.
Doree: I love Taylor Swift, but she has this habit of repeating known cliches and putting them in her songs or saying them in interviews. And then her fans, a lot of her fans seem to think that she made them up.
Kate: What's an example of one
Doree: Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. She did not make that up. That is a saying. That is a thing people have been saying for years, but now it's like play stupid games. Win stupid prize has become a Taylor Swift,
Kate: A direct quote from Taylor Allison Swift.
Doree: Right, exactly. It's like, okay, yes, she popularized it, but she did not come up with this. Same with the trash takes itself out or wherever. She said in the Time Magazine article, she didn't come up with that. That's a saying, okay, that's it. Don't come for me. I've just noticed this happening again and again where I'm like,
Kate: How did we get here?
Doree: She did not make this up,
Kate: But we did. We get here from Codependence, it's with ourselves.
Doree: She put it in her song song. Oh, because I said,
Kate: what is the journey
Doree: we can't get out of our own way?
Kate: Oh, there we go. I see.
Doree: That's all these cliches. And then I was just thinking about cliches and I was thinking about sayings and I was thinking about Taylor Swift, This thing that has bugged me,
Kate: And you had to get it out.
Doree: I had to get it out. And again, I love Taylor Swift. I went to her concert. I think she's a genius. Her music is amazing. It's just one little thing.
Kate: Look, I think it's fair to critique your favs Doree.
Doree: Maybe it's not even her. It's not like she's saying, I made this up. She's not claiming to have made it up.
Kate: But it's also the reaction coming from younger people who maybe aren't fully aware of turns of phrase 13-year-old who probably thinks this, Right?
Doree: Yes. A thousand percent. And also she is known for writing her own songs. So I could see someone who might not be familiar with some of these sayings being like, oh, well she wrote this song and yes she did.
Kate: Wow, what a genius.
Doree: But she's also Incorporating,
Kate: She replaced stupid games. You win stupid prizes. Like, wow, that's an amazing observation.
Doree: Now look, she might be the first one to set it to music, but she didn't make it up. Okay, I'm so sorry.
Kate: Things Doree is proud of this year, taking Taylor Swift to task on her use of cliches.
Doree: No, I'm not even, again, it's not even, I dunno.
Kate: This is such a doree-ism. I love it so much.
Doree: I know this is a very me thing to say. It is. And I love everything about it. What's not on my list this year? Random. I'm not proud of random asides that have nothing to do with the episode.
Kate: Okay, well, what is your fifth thing on your list?
Doree: Okay, so this is kind of related to what I was saying about the Mahjong thing. I did have some good realizations about myself socially and how I show up for my friends and what I want out of friendships. And I think I'm doing a better job with that, just showing up and also realizing that I like game nights.
Kate: I really like a game night and I need to kind of find my game and my game night people,
Doree: Because maybe it's Rumicube
Kate: I love RumiCube. And I have had friends who have been like, I'll play that with you. So I need to make it happen. I think I'm going to have to do it. This will challenge some of the things I've mentioned already, but maybe it's time because I fucking love RumiCube. I play it every day. Okay, my number five.
Doree: Okay, what is your last one
Kate: Is that I deepened my understanding of myself, my A DHD and my other NeuroDivergencies and started understanding more what I need to do, not just to function, but to thrive from medication, to systems to quiet, et cetera. I'm reading, obviously that was not off the top of my head. I feel like I'm understanding myself a little bit more in a way that before I didn't, couldn't see things about myself, but I was like, I don't know how to support this. I feel like a bag in the wind, a plastic bag in the wind. I feel like that scene from that movie that I can't remember the name of starring Kevin Spacey, where the plastic bag just floats in the wind. But now I feel like I have a better kind of understanding.
Doree: Usual Suspects,
Kate: No American Beauty. You think?
Doree: Oh sure, yes, yes.
Kate: I have a better, I'm able to understand, oh, right now I'm overstimulated, and right now I need quiet. I'm going to put on noise canceling headphones. I'm able to kind of have like, oh, these are the kind of things I need in order to feel and do better. And that has been revelatory.
Doree: I love this Kate.
Kate: And I did just want to throw a little bonus into the mix, which is that we did a lot of stuff with the podcast that I feel very proud of from launching our Patreon and creating season one over there and other new content to doing two live digital shows to raising money for our giving circle, which really only happened thanks to the support of listeners. I feel proud.
Doree: I do too. And I'm really glad you put this on here. Alright, well Kate, let's take another break and when we come back, we're going to talk a little bit about the upcoming year.
Kate: Alright. BRB. Alright, Doree, we are back. Or as you have said in the past, we are B.
Doree: We are B. So yeah, we usually talk about our weekly intentions here. And we thought we would talk not just about our 2024 intentions, but just kind of visions for the new year. And I just want to share that I went to a holiday party on Saturday night, and this person, the host had, it was very cool. It was like a bar mitzvah. They had a caricaturist, they had a magician walking around doing closeup magic. They had a tarot card reader.
Kate: Wow,
Doree: Et cetera.
Kate: Sounds like a very fun party.
Doree: It was very cool. So I was like, I'm going to get my tarot read. And the tarot card reader, first of all, I drew the King of Cups, which is an interesting card. And I also drew the Three of Swords, which is another interesting card. And basically what he said is that someone from my past, and I did not tell him about this email that I'd sent out to hundred people, but he said someone from my past who I'd worked with in the past was going to approach me about working together and doing something together, and that I shouldn't be afraid of this, that the three of Swords represented me cutting through my fears. And I don't know, it was interesting. I know a lot of tarot is kind of like, you hear what you want to hear and you take away what you want to take away. But I thought it was a timely reminder for me as I go into this next year really feeling like I need to just do something that is going to be financially sustainable for me. And what that is, I don't know, but I need to figure that out. And so it was a good just kind of way to go into the new year. I think. This reading. Kate, what about you? So
Kate: As I mentioned earlier, I really like this practice of thinking about a word to focus on each year. And really because this has been very meaningful for me in the last year, I've never really had an experience like this where I almost, without forcing, it really felt like I needed to lean into the urge to kind of slow things down and seek out a more calm existence in the way that that means for me. And it's been a really just lovely thing to reflect on and focus on throughout the year. And so I have been thinking about this kind of word that I want to land on for 2024, and I'm somewhere in the kind of world of grounded rooted kind of this. I'm thinking, it's not necessarily confidence per se is a word, but I like the idea of focusing on trusting that I know who I am, what I stand for, owning it and feeling strong in I think maybe my values and my sense of self being really, yeah, that's kind of where I feel emotionally I am headed as a human is kind of thinking and reflecting on that, but also energetically Doree. I tend to be kind a little, I'm not spacey, but I tend to be very, I get hyper and I'm kind of all up in my head. I get a little cerebral and excited and emotional and overwhelmed. And so I'm just really thinking about, thinking about the root chakra, the first chakra and just kind this groundedness is really has just been an overwhelming urge. I'm seeking the feeling of being grounded this year. So I haven't picked a word yet, but that is kind of where I'm leaning. And when I'm thinking about confidence, it's not this kind of outward confidence, but more like an inner sense of confidence that I don't necessarily have to prove to anybody else that I am confident because I trust in myself. This is aspirational. I'm nowhere near feeling this way yet. But that is really, I think what I would like to focus on for the next year. And then I've been kind of thinking about what, what's my intentions for 2024? What do we want to do this year on a hobby level? I haven't been horseback riding since. I haven't gone horseback riding since June. I was out of, I was visiting family and then busy, and then I sprained my ankle very badly and now I have plantar fascitis. So I haven't really done anything with my foot, but I would like to get back to riding and just also just horse care and being around horses. And as mentioned, I want to dig deeper into, I think I've spent a lot of time in my life in therapy exploring my struggles with self-esteem. And now I'm ready to dig deeper into how to build that foundation. And then I also really want to continue focusing on supporting and connecting with my friends and community that's kind of on a local level, just in terms of some organizations that I'm involved in and ways in which I can better show up for my community, like my community, people I do know, and just my community around me and spend time with people I love and read a lot of books.
Doree: I love this for you
Kate: read a lot of books and play more rumicube.
Doree: Yeah. Well, you mentioned earlier that resilience could be my word for 2023, but I actually think that that is my word for 2024
Kate: What I meant. That could be your word. Sorry. Yes. That is what I meant. I feel like that's a good word for you.
Doree: Maybe you might've said that and I misunderstood it. Yeah. I think that this is a good word for me because I haven't felt super resilient this year. I feel like I've felt kind of drowning and I want to be able to kind of come out the other side of things with the acknowledgement that this is not just up to me. This is also up to my partner. And there are some things that I can't control, but I can control my own behavior and outlook I think. So focusing I think on resilience for next year I think is going to be a big priority for me. And then also continuing to show up for my family and friends. Henry, we went to Boston for Thanksgiving and Henry got to be with his cousins and I was like, oh yeah, I really want Henry to have a close relationship with his cousins, but he doesn't get to see them that much, so how can we kind of make that happen more? And my sister-in-law's been sick. So that is also just a factor in everything. So yeah, I want to show up for family and friends in the same, I think in a similar way that you do as well. Yeah, so that's kind of where I'm leaning for 2024.
Kate: Well, I can think of no better way to kind of wrap up the episode and the year than by thanking some of our patrons, patrons. Patrons.
Doree: What a great idea Kate.
Kate: Patrons. Patrons. But I like to say patrons, these are folks who support our patron at the $10 level or above. We are very grateful for your support and community over there. And we're just going to throw out your names. And I just also always want to note that if we mispronounce your name, please do shoot us an email and correct us. Here we go. Jen, Jen, Patty Doser, Helen de Mo, Shelly Lee, Kim, ler, Beagler, Amelia Dela, Sarah, Sarah Buzzy, Allison Cohen, Laura, Susan, ETH, Lizette, Kristen Morris, Lynette Jones, Fran, Kelsey Wolf, Dene, Alexander, Houghton, Laura, Eddie, Pam from Boston, Gidel, Apte, Valerie, Bruno, Jane, Rio, Katie, Tron, E, Jackson, Amy, Mako, Liz Rain, jd. K, Hannah M, Julia Putt, Juliana Che or this is my, you know what? For some reason this last name reminds me of my family. And so I always stop. It's just Italian, like my family words. Juliana, I'm going to say Depeche Depe. I don't know. Marissa. Andrea Sepulveda, Sarah Bell, Diana, Becky, Hobbs, Haer, Kristen Collins, Coco Bean, Laura Hadden, Josie Ek, Nikki Boer, Juliana Duff, Angie, James, Tiffany Griffith, Diane, m Martin, Emily McIntyre, Stephanie Ana, Elizabeth Anderson, Kelly Dearborn, Christine Basses, Caroline, Jessica Gale, Jennifer Barrett, Zuma, Lundy, Carrie Golds, Heather Ocga, Ann Rum, Nick, Catherine, Ellingson, Kara Brugmann, cc, Sarah Egan, Jessica Coleman, Jennifer Olson, Jennifer Hs, Jillian Bowman, Brianne, Macy, Elizabeth Holland, Karen Perelman, Rachel Anderson, M, Bethany, Lisa, Travis, Kate, M Emily, Brie, Josie, Alquist, Tara, Todd, Elizabeth Cleary, Monica, Joanna, stone Beth and Sherilyn Hyde and Taylor Swift. I just happened to notice she was on our Patreon this year. She's just joined
Doree: Taylor Swift.
Kate: Taylor Allison Swift. Friends, we thank you all so, so much for listening and for being with us through another year of Forever35. We are hosted and produced by ourselves. Wait,
Doree: What? Oh, wait, Kate. Just a note. Next week we're going to be running a special compilation episode of some highlights from this year. So do check that out. It won't be a new episode. It'll be a fun one.
Kate: It'll be a fun compilation. Fun.
Doree: No, sorry. Please proceed.
Kate: And friendly note that Forever35 is hosted and produced by Doree Shafrir and Kate Spencer. It's produced and edited by Sam Junio. Sami Reed is our project manager, and our network partner is a cast. Wishing you all a happy New Year.