Episode 332: Makeup Is A Visual Language with Rachel Goodwin

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Celebrity makeup artist Rachel Goodwin is back to answer your questions! Rachel takes on everything from which “clean” products she recommends, how to best apply concealer under your eyes, and how to update your approach so you don’t look like you learned to wear makeup in the late 1900s. 

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Doree (00:10):

Hello and welcome to Forever 35, a podcast about the things we do to take care of ourselves. I'm Doree Shafrir.

Elise (00:17):

And I'm Elise Hu. And we're just two friends who like to talk a lot about serums,

Doree (00:21):

And this is a mini episode where we hear from you, we share your comments and your thoughts, and we answer your questions to the best of our ability. Please remember, we are podcast hosts. We are not medical or mental health experts, and we always encourage you to seek support first and foremost from a medical and or mental health professional as needed.

Elise (00:41):

And speaking of medical professionals, let me just talk up our Monday episode with Dr. Ariana s sch Douglas, gosh, the capstone of our midlife and menopause month.

Doree (00:53):

Yes,

Elise (00:54):

She is a medical doctor.

Doree (00:56):

She,

Elise (00:56):

She's an ob gy OB gyn, and she specializes in menopause care and perimenopause care.

Doree (01:04):

Yes.

Elise (01:05):

Excellent.

Doree (01:06):

I highly, highly, highly recommend listening to her episode. How are you doing post Thanksgiving?

Elise (01:15):

My shoulder popped out this morning.

Doree (01:17):

Oh no.

Elise (01:18):

There was some drama in Pilates class.

Doree (01:22):

Oh no.

Elise (01:22):

And then it kind of freaked out my Pilates instructor because she was like, oh my god, I can see it because when your shoulder dislocates, oh my God, it's not in the socket. I feel like we need

Doree (01:37):

A trigger warning. This is so, I'm sorry. I know it's probably more upsetting for you than it is for me to hear about it

Elise (01:48):

And then I have never seen it actually myself because this is the third time I've dislocated the same shoulder. The first time it was blinding pain and I was on the coast of Ireland overlooking the Atlantic Ocean at a medieval fort, and so I had to hike back with this situation and the first time was the most painful. Today it was like, oh, I felt my shoulder dislocate and I knew what happened, but I also didn't know how to get it back

Doree (02:19):

Because

Elise (02:20):

Yeah, it was like a whole situation, but I kind of, you know how when people are choking and they find something to gird themselves against?

Doree (02:30):

Yes.

Elise (02:31):

So I put kind of tummy first against the Pilates box. I think that's what they call it, the box. It's on top of the reformer and I just pushed my body forward onto the box and then it somehow readjusted my shoulder and got it back in. But I hadn't ever,

Doree (02:48):

Oh my God.

Elise (02:50):

Had to do that before. So anyway, I was really nauseous and then yeah, it was like a whole thing and then everybody's just doing their reformer movements while I'm trying to put my shoulder back in.

Doree (03:04):

Oh my God.

Elise (03:05):

It was a whole scene except it was like a drama that was playing out just for me. It was probably because I was trying to not disrupt the class.

Doree (03:17):

Right. No one realized quite what was happening.

Elise (03:22):

I mean, the instructor came right over and she was like, what can I do? Do I need help? She's like, I don't know how to help you. And she gave me my phone and somehow my er, Dr. Bestie, Dr. Jen, she had her phone on and she picked up on the first ring and I was like, my should's out again. And she instructed me on what to do and she was like, where are you? I can get to you. But somehow as we're on the phone it went back and thank God, because the second time she had to rush over and the longer your shoulders dislocated, the longer everything's pushed around, all the joints and ligaments are all pushed around. They're not in the right place.

Doree (03:58):

Oh my God. El

Elise (03:59):

Elise. So the fact that it didn't take that long means that it wasn't that painful. So I'm not sitting here with a sling, even though I need to be in one and I need to be on ibuprofen and everything, but really, I already have an appointment with an orthopedic surgeon this week for my other shoulder, the one that was crashed into by the bike.

Doree (04:17):

Hold on. This is not bike related.

Elise (04:19):

No, this is my right shoulder, the one that's just hypermobile.

Doree (04:23):

Oh shit. Okay. I just assumed that this was your bike. Different

Elise (04:29):

Side. Your bike shoulder, different side bike. Shoulder is left shoulder that pops out is right. I'll that It's like a lere colony over here. Yeah, it's a whole situation. Oh my god. I know. Anyway, so yeah, that's, that's my update bananas post Thanksgiving. How about you? But enough about this.

Doree (04:58):

Holy crap.

Elise (04:59):

I know, I know, I know.

Doree (05:02):

Wow,

Elise (05:02):

There's so many other things I could update you on and we will save that for the casual chat, which will be available on our Patreon on Friday. But tell me about your parents' visit and your big Thanksgiving buffet.

Doree (05:17):

My parents' visit was lovely and I'm really glad that they came, but it's also exhausting to have two people in your house and you're not so big house, but it was mostly fine. I think Henry was really glad that they were here. They have a very sweet relationship with him and that was really nice, especially my mom who can really engage with him. Great. My dad is like, it doesn't come naturally to him, let's just put it that way. And Thanksgiving was, I think everything my parents were hoping and dreaming of, they clearly wanted a buffet. I think what they really wanted was a Las Vegas buffet,

Elise (06:07):

You know what I mean?

Doree (06:08):

They wanted that sort of level of spectacle

Elise (06:11):

With the crab legs and everything.

Doree (06:13):

And this buffet had crab legs, like grand mom is notorious for going ham on some crab legs at a buffet. So as soon as I saw that this buffet had crab legs, I was like, okay, she's on board item. Yeah,

Elise (06:28):

That's a high value item. You don't want to bother with the starches, you want to go to the high value items. That's the way to get the most out of a buffet.

Doree (06:35):

Exactly. I personally do not love crab legs, so I did not partake, but I did partake in the sushi, which was pretty decent actually. So yeah, so it was lovely. Yeah. So that was Thanksgiving I would say I was ready for Henry to go back to school today.

Elise (06:59):

Yeah. Yeah. Man, I was so relieved when I woke up and it was Monday finally, because when they're not in school for so long, this is that week between Christmas and New Year's where it's just like, what day is it

Doree (07:12):

Still in the same

Elise (07:13):

Clothes from four days ago.

Doree (07:15):

Yeah. It's a lot of entertaining him because unless he's watching tv, which he did a lot of, he's not really entertaining himself. He's just reading, but he's not reading books on his own and he's an only child, so there's no one else to play with. And when you're like, go play by yourself, he's like, so I know there will come a day where he just goes to his room and slams the door and is alone. But now I would love for that to happen.

Elise (07:56):

Well, especially if he's a reader too. If he ends up being a reader, he'll be able to go into those worlds. I don't have any readers, none of my girls really love reading. They're fine at it and they will, but I feel like I still have to make them. And it makes me sad because I loved and I wonder if it's kind of a product of our modern times because I have a lot of friends who are like, yeah, my kids don't really like to read either. And it's because they have other have devices, they have other things that could or electronics even that can engage them in more ways or in more exciting ways to them. But I just remember disappearing for hours into a book. Totally doing that. Very young, and it made me sad, especially when my eldest was not doing that. I'm like, oh, how can you be a daughter of mine? But they're their own people. They have their own things.

Doree (08:51):

They are. They are. It's so true.

Elise (08:54):

For those of you who did get to have some time off, we hope it was restful.

Doree (08:59):

Indeed. We did get a text that I want to share before we take a break.

Elise (09:04):

Sure.

Doree (09:05):

It is from a listener named Katie and this listener says on the north shore in Massachusetts, riding the commuter rail to work and someone is literally free bowling on the train and it might be the grossest thing I've ever heard. I can hear the clink of dishware slash fork smack of eating, smell the food. I'm all for free mugging, but this might be the limit when it involves the public. Have a good day.

Elise (09:31):

What food was it though?

Doree (09:32):

Great question. I mean, it

Elise (09:33):

Could be more gross or less gross. The

Doree (09:36):

Clean of dishware and fork is sort of sending me as they say, because that indicates actively, this person actively brought a real fork from home to eat on the train. Now listen, I don't know what this person's life is like. Maybe there's a reason why they didn't have time to eat at home and they just have to eat on the train. But I agree this would really gross me out and I did send it to our resident free mugger, Kate Spencer. What did she have to say? She was impressed with this person. Free bowling

Elise (10:17):

The

Doree (10:17):

Nerve. Yes, the nerve. I know, I know. Alright, well we love any free eating or drinking sightings. Send them along. You can text those to us at 7 8 1 5 9 1 0 3 9 0 like Katie did. Or call us at (781) 591-0390. You can email us at Forever 35 podcast@gmail.com. We also have our website forever 35 podcast.com. We have links there to everything we mention on the show. We are on Instagram at Forever 35 podcast. We have our newsletter at forever 35 podcast.com/newsletter and you can shop our favorite products at shop my us slash forever 35 and we will be right back.

Elise (11:01):

We'll be right back.

Doree (11:10):

All right. We are back. We got a voicemail that I want to play.

Listener Voicemail (11:19):

Hi. My first time calling in, but I'm one of your longtime listeners from Canada and I had to pause the episode with Caroline Paul when she's talking about nature prescriptions because we do do that in Canada. I've been a nurse for many years. I'm in my almost finished nurse practitioner school and 30 minutes of outdoor time of day is almost as effective as an ssri. And I'm not telling people to stop your SSRIs because don't do that and they're great, but we a program, I'm not sure if it's still going on, but it was a nature prescription program where we can prescribe outdoor time essentially, and it was for people to get a part to Canada Pass. If they were financially unable to purchase one themselves, they can be pretty expensive. Yeah. So what she's saying is totally correct, and maybe things are moving the right direction a little bit. I mean that it's safe. Everyone has time and whatnot to go in nature. Anyway, just thought I would call in. Bye-bye.

Elise (12:29):

That's wonderful. It can keep you out of the doctor's office so it can alleviate symptoms of depression and anxiety and all those things, and it's just about getting outside. I have had therapists who are very focused on, well, are you getting 30 minutes of exercise a day or are you getting outdoors? But it's rare. It's rare. It's not as common as you would think it could be because it is so helpful

Doree (12:58):

Outside. Interesting. Yes.

Elise (13:01):

That voicemail was in response to one of our November episodes with Caroline Paul, and I know I was just talking up Dr. Ariana, but also go back and listen to Caroline Paul, also an excellent

Doree (13:12):

One, also an excellent one. Such a good one. Moving on, we got a text from the listener who wrote in about how she was writing romance in midlife.

Elise (13:26):

Oh yes. Remember that? The career pivot? Yes. It was the career pivot and she was like, I did something new. I finally did something I really wanted to do, and it was to write novels and writing romance novels. I have found so much community and so much connection and all of these things. And then she got off the phone and never told us who she was.

Doree (13:44):

Yes, this is true. So she texted back and she said, my name is Samantha Bryn, B-R-I-N-N. I'm the one who called in about writing romance and midlife. Thank you so much for playing the voicemail. It was so cool. She said, it's a four book series and the first two are out now with the third coming out in January, so they are called because of you when I'm with you and anything for you, I'm sensing a theme.

Elise (14:15):

Yes. Well, we are grateful for you, Samantha. Bryn,

Doree (14:20):

Yes.

Elise (14:20):

For calling in,

Doree (14:22):

And they add that they are at Samantha Bryn author on Instagram, so we will link to that in the show notes. But thank you, Samantha. I love the midlife pivot. I love the books. It's all great.

Elise (14:38):

Yeah, I'm glad. I'm glad. Her identity was unmasked. She unmasked herself.

Doree (14:41):

Yes, she unmasked herself.

Elise (14:43):

Yes.

Doree (14:45):

Okay. We have another voicemail on a different topic, but actually sort of the same topic if I recall. Okay, here we go.

Listener Voicemail (14:52):

Hey, forever 35 crew. This is a pause the pod moment from the Do the Thing mini app that I'm listening to while driving home, well, driving pick my kids, and then driving home. I helped start a dance company this year with

Doree (15:09):

Some

Listener Voicemail (15:09):

Awesome individuals in my community and we're putting on a production of the Nutcracker, a local adaptation of the Ballet Classic, the Nutcracker, and it's been like a second full-time job in so many ways, but I'm so happy I'm doing it because I'm meeting people. I'm using a part of my brain that I don't use in my day job, and I have something that isn't linked to my income or my professional status. It's just this kind of labor of love and I just encourage anyone who's thinking about starting something to just go for it because you really truly never know what's going to happen. And even if it lasts three days or a week, that's fine, you went for it. Or maybe four months in, you find yourself putting up flyers all over town so you can sell tickets to a production.

Elise (16:09):

That's so

Listener Voicemail (16:09):

Fun. But yeah, also, if anyone is in the desert this December, come to the Desert Nutcracker. We'll be here. Love this pod. Love. Thanks.

Doree (16:20):

I put together this episode before Thanksgiving, and so I didn't exactly remember everything, but then I was like, oh yeah, I think this one is also in my head. I was like, I think this one is also about doing new things in midlife, so I loved this so much.

Elise (16:37):

Yeah, that makes me feel great because you're also, you're not only finding something that makes you happy, but you've brought a lot of people together. So it means that there's so many of your neighbors and your friends that are also getting involved, other dancers and people who are dance aficionados and arts patrons and all of that. If y'all are in the desert, go see the Desert Nutcracker.

Doree (17:00):

I just thought, this is so great, and yeah, maybe we'll all get involved in community theater

Elise (17:07):

That, or just putting on productions of any kind. I could imagine that being so much fun. Totally. But thank you for calling in. That was great. Yes. Makes me feel my heart. Feel happy. All right. Lauren in Savannah, Georgia writes, hi, Dorian. Elise had to pause the pod regarding, is it Dsis recti? I

Doree (17:32):

Think it's diastasis, but I could be wrong about that.

Elise (17:36):

Well, what she's writing about is split abs, which we've talked about before. A pelvic floor physical therapist is the doc to see. I've had Dr. Oh, she shortened it, thank God. Now don't have to pronounce it. I've had Dr. After each of my two pregnancies with a three finger gap and pelvic floor therapy completely resolved it both times. It's very common and a lot of moms just suffer through it, but some simple exercises can really make it go away. So you could avoid surgery, it sounds like. Yeah.

Doree (18:12):

Yes. It sounds like there's a real range of severity and that some people can deal with it with exercises and some do need to have surgery, but I think the takeaway that I'm getting from all of this is consult a professional.

Elise (18:30):

Yeah. So back to the disclaimer at the top of the show.

Doree (18:35):

We're

Elise (18:35):

Not medical

Doree (18:36):

Experts. Not medical experts over here. Yes, very true. Okay, another text, OMG. Hello from the Listener going to Paris this December. Thank you so much for reading my text on the most recent mini episode. I'm so sorry to hear that Elise couldn't take her Paris trip. Hopefully next summer. In the meantime, could I put in a request for Glenys McNichols Paris recommendations to be posted in the show notes or on Instagram? I read her book after hearing her on your episode and would love to hear all of her recommendations. Mercy for the podcast and for actually responding sincerely, an OG listener from New York.

Elise (19:20):

Yeah. Well, I have the list, so I sent it over to Sammy and Sammy can share that in the show notes for y'all.

Doree (19:28):

Perfect. All right. We are going to take another short break.

Elise (19:34):

We'll be right back.

Doree (19:42):

Okay. We have returned.

Elise (19:45):

Hello.

Doree (19:46):

And do you remember recently a listener wrote in to say to de influence us on the Trader Joe's hair serum?

Elise (19:55):

Yes, it was because I had confusion over which hair oil she liked. So it was that she really liked the hair oil, and I'm Well, is hair oil also hair serum? Because they sell both. They have both hair oil and hair

Doree (20:09):

Serum.

Elise (20:10):

And she was like, no, not the serum. Get the oil, not the serum.

Doree (20:14):

So this is a real to each their own kind of situation, because another listener wrote in to say, counterpoint to listener D influence. I love the Trader Joe's hair serum. And I also just decided I hate my highlights and I'm going back to brown hair. I assume that that is a reference to me.

Elise (20:35):

Going back to you, Dorie.

Doree (20:36):

Yeah, going back to brown hair. So funny thing about my going back to brown hair is when I got it done, my hairstylist was like, it will sort of fade a little bit. It won't be this dark, just give it. And I was sort of like, okay. But the first week or so I was like, oh, my hair is really dark. It took a while to get used to. And now I'm like, okay. It has both sort of moderated and I think I'm getting used to seeing myself with dark hair. So that has just been sort of funny. But I am liking being a brunette again.

Elise (21:24):

I think it looks great.

Doree (21:25):

Thank

Elise (21:25):

You. And then it does fade. A lot of these, when you color your hair and it's more severe, it's always much better a few weeks later.

Doree (21:33):

Yes. I also had a thing where I was like, it looks like my roots are weirdly lighter and redder than the rest of my hair. What is going on? And now it's all sort of melding together. It's all Yeah, exactly. So I was like, oh, she does know what she's doing. She being my hairstylist. So thank you, hairstylist. We got a voicemail about Trader Joe's hair serum. This is a hot topic. Hot topic. Who knew?

Elise (22:00):

I didn't know. We stepped on a landmine here.

Doree (22:02):

Okay. I didn't know that either. So let me play this right now.

Listener Voicemail (22:05):

Hi, Elise and Dorie. This is Carrie, and I'm having a po pod moment in the veterinarian's parking lot while listening to the latest mini episode in which a listener de influenced on Trader Joe's hair serum. My beloved Trader Joe's hair serum. So I'm calling to influence on this product. I don't know what the other listeners said about the product specifically that they didn't like. It's a daily use product for me. I do two pumps, run it through wet hair from the middle of my shafted hair to the end, and it's light and lovely, and it smells good, and I really like it. I guess your mileage may vary. I have not tried the Trader Joe's hair oil, but I will say that I do love the serum. So I don't know. Just trying to influence. All right, thanks.

Doree (23:11):

There you

Elise (23:12):

Go. You know what? I'm just going to buy both and apply. I'm going to do a science experiment and apply the oil on one side of my head for a while, and the serum on the other side of my head for a while, middle part, and then see my God, which I like better.

Doree (23:28):

Yes, please do that. You need to do that for science. It is a necessity. We all need to know. I also just want to put in a plug for the Trader Joe's Advent Calendars.

Elise (23:47):

Oh,

Doree (23:48):

What's

Elise (23:48):

Out there right now?

Doree (23:50):

They're out there right now. Matt had gotten Henry a really sweet baseball card, advent calendar, and then Henry in a classic five-year-old move was like, I am sick of baseball cards. I want a chocolate advent calendar. So we were like two Trader Joe's. We go and they have chocolate advent calendars for $2.

Elise (24:17):

Oh, okay. I'll get them for all my kids and my step kids. So there's five between Rob and me. Everybody gets one.

Doree (24:27):

Everyone gets one. I was like, oh, okay. That's an actual bargain. Of course, it's not like the fanciest admin calendar, but it's also $2. So

Elise (24:39):

It's the thought that counts.

Doree (24:40):

It's the thought that counts. And you know what? Matt came home with the Trader Joe's Beauty Advent calendar. For me, it's 12 Days of Beauty. So I was like, I have to wait until 12 days before Christmas. Isn't that the whole idea? He's like, you can open it now. I was like, no, I'm waiting.

Elise (24:56):

Okay. Yeah, you're a purist.

Doree (24:58):

I have to be a purist. We put up our Christmas decorations on Saturday.

Elise (25:04):

Oh yeah, I need to do that. I took them down.

Doree (25:07):

Yeah, down. I got them

Elise (25:09):

Out of the

Doree (25:09):

Attic very late. Oh, you mean took them down? Yeah. Out of storage. No, no. I

Elise (25:14):

Took them out of the attic and they are sitting there, but nothing has been hung and we haven't gotten a tree. And it's already December 2nd. Why does this happen every year? It's like time collapses and we're in a war

Doree (25:27):

Zone. Well, but also Thanksgiving was the latest it could possibly be this year. So usually I feel like we have another week before December hits, and this year we don't.

Elise (25:43):

Here we are.

Doree (25:44):

I don't know. I'm a fan of Christmas lights. Henry had Halloween lights in his bedroom and he swapped them out for Christmas lights. Tis the season. Tis the season. Tis the season. Okay. Well, listeners, thanks for coming on this journey with us and we will talk to you soon. For our Patreon supporters, we have our casual chat coming Friday and our pop culture episode, so stay tuned for those.

Elise (26:21):

Okay. Until next time.

Doree (26:23):

Bye.

 
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