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Episode 49: Money Talks with Amanda Clayman

This week, Doree gets into nesting, reorganizes her entire kitchen, and shares her love of clear, plastic bins. Plus, Kate lets go of control while dealing with health issues and manages to relax on vacation for the first time in years.

Then they welcome financial therapist Amanda Clayman, who answers listener questions about topics including saving money, paying off debt and students loans, and communicating with your partner about finances.

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Episode 47: Gratefully Yours with Emily McDowell

It’s Thanksgiving time in the States, and Kate and Doree dig deeper into the things they’re grateful for this year (hint: Forever35 listeners!). Plus Kate tries to find calm during a health scare and Doree gets very into her bathtub.

Then they sit down with illustrator and author extraordinaire Emily McDowell (Emily McDowell Studio), who discusses her journey from creating greeting cards in her home to running her own business, getting in touch with her spirituality, dealing with perimenopause, and how her life improved after taking a vacation without checking email.

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Episode 46: Career Reinvention with Ellen Fondiler

On this week’s episode, Kate and Doree dig deeper into self-care during the holiday season, discussing their tips for surviving this busy time of year. Plus, Kate experiments with gel nails and wonders if she has a gluten intolerance, and Doree gets into pre-natal yoga and shares how she stays organized and on top of day to day tasks.

Then they welcome Ellen Fondiler, award-winning entrepreneur, career strategist, and self-described “child of the 60s.” Ellen discusses her career journey from attorney to bakery owner to non-profit head to entrepreneur, shares how she stays grounded and focused when grappling with self-doubt, and offers tips on how to make the leap out of a job that no longer serves you. Plus, she reveals her #1 self-care secret: naps.

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Episode 45: Everyday Product Picks with Eva Chen

This week, Kate and Doree share their most essential — and least glamorous — products that they can’t live with out. (Let’s hear it for medicated wipes and Q-tips!) Plus, Kate tries a new Vitamin C serum and deals with a stomach bug, and Doree shares a recipe for a delicious dish.

Then they welcome Eva Chen, head of fashion partnerships at Instagram and former editor In chief of Lucky magazine. Eva talks about experimenting with fashion and dressing for yourself, the women who inspired her new picture book Juno Valentine and the Magical Shoes, how she implements self-care while working in digital media, and her stripped down, 2 step skincare (!!!) routine.

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Episode 44: Sephories Sale Season with Nicole Chung

It’s Sephora Sale season, and this week Kate and Doree breakdown what they might buy with that sweet, sweet discount. (Tubing mascara! A Dr. Jart set! And so much more.) Plus they discuss Kate’s nighttime phone addiction and her new sunrise alarm clock, Doree’s GAP underwear obsession, and the Sunday Riley fake reviews controversy.

Then they welcome All You Can Ever Know author Nicole Chung, who talks about her adoption story and search for her birth family, connecting with other transracial adoptees, finding communities that fulfill you, and how she and her husband juggle parenting and their careers

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Episode 43: Stay Mad with Rebecca Traister

This week Kate and Doree sit down with Rebecca Traister, author of the new book Good and Mad: The Revolutionary Power of Women’s Anger. They talk about living in a world that doesn’t respect women’s anger as serious and worthwhile, the ways in which we repress and express feelings, how to direct and use rage, the #MeToo Movement, and the importance of receiving and listening to the anger of other women.

Plus: Doree’s makes peace with her pregnancy sickness, Kate purges her products and streamlines her skincare routine (again), and they discuss what it would feel like to “spiral positively.” (Imagine it!)

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Episode 42: Winter Blues with Dr. Tosin Odunsi-Akanji

This week Kate and Doree discuss survival tips for cold, winter weather, with advice from friends who actually deal with freezing temps, including Forever35 Midwest Correspondent Nora McInerny. Plus Kate embraces “pumpkin candle season” and rediscovers her love of The Ordinary’s retinol serum, and Doree cleans her bathroom and shares her favorite new maternity jeans.

Then they welcome Dr. Tosin Odunsi-Akanji, OB/GYN medical resident and self-described “life motivator.” She talks about making room for self-care while working 12-hour shifts, how to find a mentor, tackling test anxiety, Orange Theory, and how she establishes and meets her short and longterm goals across all aspects of life. Follow her on Instagram @lifebytosin.

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Episode 41: Express Yourself with Jessica Hopper

This week Kate and Doree follow up on their own personal Gratitude Challenge, and share what’s bringing them joy in their own lives. Plus Kate commits to a month-long meal plan and reconnects with an old serum favorite, while Doree reveals what pregnancy-safe product she’s now using on her face at night.

Then they welcome Jessica Hopper, music critic and author of the new book Night Moves. She talks about the power of falling in love with a city, the nostalgia she feels for a pre-social media time, sobriety, her love of Mad Hippie Vitamin C Serum, and how speaking out helped her heal after an assault.

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Episode 40: What About Your Friends with Holly Burns

This week Kate and Doree tackle friendship, and discuss how to make friends as an adult, handle the way friendships grow and change over time, and the many ways they contribute to self-care (or occasionally, take away from it). Plus, Kate’s is organizing the products in her bathroom (again) and Doree details her first visit to the OBGYN. They also commit to a shared gratitude practice — but will it last?

Then they welcome Holly Burns, content strategist at Instagram and creator of the popular blog Nothing But Bonfires. Holly talks about being diagnosed with breast cancer just 5 months after giving birth to her second child, the self-care practices she implemented while going through chemo, surgery, and radiation, cold-cap therapy, and the healing power of super-soft cashmere socks.

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Episode 39: Self-Care Isn't Selfish with Dr. Kristian Henderson

This week, Kate talks about meeting a Forever35 fan at the Emmy Awards and reveals the truth about how celebs handle heels. Doree shares all the books she read this week (six, six books in a week!) and how she’s starting to be okay with doing less when she’s not feeling well. Then, the women answer listener questions about planning for kids, dealing with the stress of child rearing, and how to make time for yourself when you’re caring for a family.

Later, Kate and Doree talk to Dr. Kristian Henderson, founder of BLK + GRN and self-care ambassador. Dr. Kristian talks about feeling unfulfilled even when she did everything “right,” how her commitment to healthy living lead to her business, and why she’s passionate about bringing self-care to women of color. Follow her @BLKandGRN on and @DrKrstianH on Instagram.

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Episode 38: A Grateful Place with Mari Andrew

This week, Kate and Doree are both having a little bit of a tough time. Kate’s dealing with negative self-talk while Doree feels like she’s turning into one big carb from dealing with constant pregnancy nausea. Then, they discuss the baffling trend of the ugliest ‘90s clothes coming back and Kate wonders if she should buy some new scrunchies and Balenciaga sock sneakers.

Later, the women welcome New York Times Best Selling Author and Instagram star, Mari Andrew. She talks about the importance of a gratitude practice in her daily routine, dealing with the loss of her father and a crippling autoimmune disease, and always being on the lookout for things that make her happy. Follow Mari on Instagram @byMariAndrew and get her new book  Am I There Yet?.

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Episode 37: Natch Beaut Crossover! with Jackie Johnson

Kate just got back from New York, where she enjoyed a slightly touristy visit to her favorite city in the world. Doree, on the other hand, has been vomiting. Morning sickness is hitting hard, though some sister-recommended medicine is working and she’s adjusting to a vaguely sick-all-the-time feeling. Despite feeling ill, Doree read more than three books in a week and found a cozy mystery series that hasn’t hooked her yet.


Then, the women talk to Jackie Johnson of the Natch Beaut podcast. Jackie talks all about figuring out the difference between vegan and cruelty-free products, getting away from bad people in her life, and the healing powers of her exceptional dog, Chooch. Follow Jackie @JackieMicheleJohnson on Instagram and @Jackie_Michele on Twitter.

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Episode 36: Makeup Makeover with Erin Gibson

This week, Kate talks about the struggle to get away from her phone and finally deleting the Facebook app. Doree, on the other hand, is keeping her phone in her room and plowing through the Poldark series (she’s already on book 12!).

Then, the women speak to the wonderful Erin Gibson, host of the Throwing Shade podcast and author of Feminasty. She talks about the insane injusticies of the patriarchy, how women get ignored by doctors, and some shocking facts she found about the makeup industry. Follow Erin @Gibblertron on Twitter and Instagram and buy her book!

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Episode 35: Perfecting Imperfection with Keiko Agena

Doree and Kate are just back from camp where they shared a cabin, a bed, and a trendy but see-through bathroom. While at The Wing’s No Man’s Land Camp, the women did their first live podcast and Kate dealt with her social anxiety in an easy and open way. Then, Doree shares that she’s in the very early stages of pregnancy! Afterwards, Kate and Doree go through some products that they did not love, including a few major fan favorites.

Later, the women welcome actress and author Keiko Agena (No Mistakes). She talks about the majority of her acting work going unseen, dealing with finding social connections in adulthood, and the good things that fandom can bring. Follow her @keikoagena on Instagram and watch her on Season 4 of Better Call Saul and the upcoming Dirty John and Hulu’s The First.

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Episode 34: Laughter Heals with Maeve Higgins

This week, Kate goes all in on rolling out and adds another lovely thing to her gratitude practice. And Doree talks about using Instagram to boost confidence and the anxiety that comes from a cult-favorite workout class. Then, Courtney Chiusano is back with tips about sunblock, milia, and the importance of facials.

Later, the women welcome author, comedian, and podcaster Maeve Higgins (Maeve in America). She discusses finding out about self-care in America, not caring much about dating, and doing a comedy workshop in Iraq. Listen to Maeve’s podcast and follow her @MaeveinAmerica on Instagram.

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Episode 33: The Mother Load with Angela Garbes

This week the podcast starts with shocking news  Kate blocked Doree on Instagram (by accident)! After the wound is healed, Kate discusses working through her social anxiety, while Doree talks about getting mistaken for a 27 year old at the facialist. Then, the women detail their underwear preferences and give out their favorite brands of underpants.

Later, Kate and Doree welcome author Angela Garbes (Like A Mother). She talks the ongoing taboos and lack of information about a woman’s body during pregnancy, the neglect mothers face after birth, and the sad state of America’s status in maternal health. It might sound sad, but Angela gives informative, eye opening, and funny commentary on the whole world of motherhood. Follow her @AngelaGarbes on Instagram.

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Episode 32: Sober Living with Melissa Broder

This week, Kate talks about a wonderful night of masking and her ongoing struggle to get to bed early. Then, Doree discusses her trip to Las Vegas and being relatively new to the world of fandom. Later, the women give their book recommendations that range from non-fiction about a recent scam to a novel about a guy whose wings spread when he’s feeling amorous.

Then, Kate and Doree welcome author Melissa Broder (Pisces, Last Sext, So Sad Today). She talks about using twitter to cope with anxiety, the meaning of sobriety in her life, and her ongoing compulse to announce every chin zit.

Follow Melissa @sosadtoday on Twitter or on her brand new Instagram account @realmelissabroder.

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Episode 31: Current Product Obsessions with Samantha Irby

This week, Kate discusses her ongoing love of Phish while Doree’s going in deep on Poldark and starting a new gym routine. Then, the women reveal their favorite products of the moment. No serums this time, but Kate does have a sponge that’s kind of changing her life.

Later, Kate and Doree talk to the hilarious Samantha Irby, creator of Bitches Gotta Eat and author of We Are Never Meeting In Real Life and others. Samantha talks about not being allowed to have a hysterectomy, her unlikely road to becoming a writer, and dealing with anxiety in a thriving career. Follow Samantha @wordscience on Twitter and @bitchesgottaeat on Instagram.

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Episode 30: Side Hustle to Main Hustle with Alisha Ramos

This week, Kate and Doree reflect upon family nicknames and borderline regrettable email names of the past. Then, Doree talks about unfortunate IVF comments she gets from well meaning friends and Kate shares how she made a peaceful shrine in her bedroom. As promised, the women then set up their 6-month intentions.

Later, Kate and Doree talk to  Alisha Ramos, nationally recognized leader in tech and founder of the popular newsletter “Girls Night In” (once described as “a warm hug in your inbox”). She talks about quitting a high profile job to pursue her passion project, how to find a mentor, and why it’s been so helpful to leave her phone at home. You can follow @alishalisha on Twitter and subscribe to the amazing Girls’ Night In.

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