You Ask, We Answer: Summer Recs and Feminist Takes
Listeners ask for recs for bathing suits and comfy, chunky sandals. They also have thoughts on romance books as feminist literature and advice for the listener about to go through hip surgery.
Plus, Elise gets another square in her LA bingo card by visiting a party with a Kardashian and Doree shares her results from tennis sectionals.
Mentioned in this Episode
Mass Market Romance: Pornography for Women is Different by Ann Barr Snitow
Reading The Romance: women, patriarchy, and modern literature by Janice Radway
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The following transcript is AI generated.
Doree Shafrir (00:10):
Hello and welcome to Forever 35, a podcast about the things we do to take care of ourselves. I'm Doree Shafrir.
Elise Hu (00:16):
And I'm Elise Hu, and we are two friends who like to talk a lot about serums.
Doree Shafrir (00:21):
And today is one of our You Ask We Answer episodes. We have so many great questions today and also a lot of great responses to questions from our previous episodes. Good, good, good. Thank you all for writing in, calling in, texting in. And a reminder, you can do that at 781-591-0390 or email us at forever35podcast@gmail.com. You can also email us a voice memo. Please don't text us voice memos. Google Voice makes it unnecessarily complicated to download those so it's easier for us if you email us a voice memo or call and leave us a voicemail. But yeah, lots to get into today. How are you doing, Elise?
Elise Hu (01:03):
I'm good. I have been excited to tell you about my weekend in which I finally became a real Angelino and saw a Kardashian because it's so funny because Issa, my daughter is like, "I feel like I'm going to be a real Angelino when I see a coyote. There's a coyote on my street or something." And I'm like, oh God, I've seen it. Oh, she's never seen
Doree Shafrir (01:26):
A coyote?
Elise Hu (01:26):
Yeah. I'm like, "I've seen four coyotes." So I definitely have passed that test, but I hadn't yet been at a party with a Kardashian or an event with a Kardashian. So now I think I'm a real Angelino because now I have been at an event with a Kardashian and a bunch of the Kardashian kids who I did not recognize, but my friends who keep up with said Kardashians and they're like, "Oh, that's stormy and that's so - and-so and that's so - and-so," because she had all the kids with her.
Doree Shafrir (01:54):
What was the event, this thing?
Elise Hu (01:56):
Oh, I'm glad you asked.
Doree Shafrir (01:58):
Oh, thank you.
Elise Hu (01:59):
So today's YouTubers are doing so much better than traditional television that they can rent out all of the Santa Monica Pier for a launch event of one vertical of their skincare line. What? So Salish and Jordan Matter. Jordan Matter, one of the biggest YouTubers out there. Yeah. Salish and Salish is his daughter, so his daughter has basically grown up on YouTube and is now 16. And Salish has a Sephora or has a skincare line called Sincerely Yours that is sold at Sephora. And when they launched Sincerely Yours, I think last summer, their mall events had such throngs of people there that they became security incidents. They had to do all these various security protocols and follow-ups
(02:51):
Because it was so huge. Salish is today's Backstreet Boys. And so Salish and Jordan are doing great. And so is Sincerely Yours, her line, because they were able to rent out the entire Pacific Park, which is the amusement park on the Santa Monica Pier with the Ferris wheel and all the other rides and all of the other food vendors and everything so that if you were there for the event, you got to do all the games, ride all the rides, eat all the food for free. Plus there was additional activations as well. Plus they put in
(03:23):
All these vendors, they had stage activities. There were so many giveaways. And I was just like, this is the clearest evidence that YouTubers have completely taken over media in a way that is so far surpassed what HBO can do, unless it's Game of Thrones or one of its big, big, big franchises. So it was wild and it was really cool. I don't know if I was invited or my daughter was invited. Both of us went. But my daughter has been in Salish videos and so I think maybe, and sincerely yours is a youth skincare line. They have a great mist, they have moisturizer, they have cleanser, they have cute packs and all these things and are now evolving into lip balms. And so this whole die out was just for the lip balm launch. It wasn't even for the skincare line launch, it was just for the lip balm launch.
(04:20):
And so Ava went with me and it was incredible. I was just really blown away by the scale of this.
Doree Shafrir (04:30):
And
Elise Hu (04:32):
They were filming a bunch of content. Chloe Kardashian was there. She was there with the kids and Ava ran into a ton of her friends. She had acted with one of the girls who's now in Rock Squad. Rock Squad is another major YouTube channel and the entire Rock Squad was there.
Doree Shafrir (04:56):
This is wild.
Elise Hu (04:57):
Yeah. And I knew some of the moms because of Brat TV. So I found some moms to hang out with in the VIP area and they were kind of telling me what's up and catching me up on things. But I don't feel like I really got the full experience because again, I wasn't sure if I was being invited there or Ava had been invited there. If you and I went, I think you went one thing.
Doree Shafrir (05:21):
But
Elise Hu (05:21):
Instead I was chaperoning more. I still was able to make a little bit of content, but had I gone with a girlfriend of mine, I think it would've been a different experience because once I went with Ava and got left behind, let's be honest, I was left behind so that she could hang out with her other teen friends and do their teen things. And I think she's the more important demographic here, let's face it. I was hanging out with the moms, just chilling, just waiting for time to pass by. But Jordan had a nice little meet and greet with Darman. Darman, who was another one of the biggest YouTubers, which Ava has also acted for. So it might've been her world. Now I'm pretty sure it's her world. I don't know. Anyway, we had a great time. I mean, you should have been there for the people watching alone.
(06:13):
Look, if I had been
Doree Shafrir (06:14):
Invited -
Elise Hu (06:15):
Fascinating. It's
Doree Shafrir (06:16):
Fascinating. I might've gone.
Elise Hu (06:20):
Yeah, I think you would've wanted to. It's just kind of fun to observe this whole
Doree Shafrir (06:24):
World.
Elise Hu (06:25):
Well,
Doree Shafrir (06:25):
Even Henry has watched Jordan and Salish Matter because they are now on Netflix.
Elise Hu (06:30):
Netflix. Yeah. They're on Netflix now. I mean, they had a crazy Netflix deal after already doing so well on YouTube. It's crazy. But Jordan's really nice. He's super professional. They have a really tightly run operation. I'm happy for Ava to drop in on the Mater Productions every once in a while. And she doesn't play a big role. She just comes in because they need a teen for this thing or that thing. And so it's like, great, fine. Sounds good.
Doree Shafrir (06:59):
What a world.
Elise Hu (07:00):
Yeah, I know. It was quite a thing and I could not wait to tell you that I'm not sure which kids I met or which Kardashian kids I was around, but you might be able to help me out later. At least from your Reddit sleuthing, you might be able to tell.
Doree Shafrir (07:14):
Oh, I'm pretty familiar with the Kardashians. I follow a couple of them on Instagram.
Elise Hu (07:18):
Oh, okay. Okay. Okay. Well,
Doree Shafrir (07:20):
Then you do. I continue to be fascinated at their continuing hold on popular culture. I mean, it's amazing. Others have tried and failed.
Elise Hu (07:37):
Yeah. I will say this is such a strange observation. And with the Kardashians, I think that it's a little, I guess this is probably assumed, but maybe it's not. Did she do something? Did she get some sort of procedure with her arms? Because her arms were very strange. Who?
Doree Shafrir (07:57):
Chloe?
Elise Hu (07:58):
Chloe.
Doree Shafrir (08:00):
I mean, look, they have always been very -
Elise Hu (08:06):
Open?
Doree Shafrir (08:07):
Not open about the procedures they've had done. I mean, don't you remember when Kylie first had her lips done, she was like, "This is just from my lip liner." And it was like,
Elise Hu (08:19):
"What?" Yeah. All I watched was the only Kardashian content I've seen was back before Caitlin transitioned. So it's been a while. So I guess Kylie was just a little teenager then. She must've been 15 or something. They were in high school. Yeah, they were in high school.
Doree Shafrir (08:36):
Yeah. Anyway.
Elise Hu (08:40):
So that's my update that I was excited to tell you about.
Doree Shafrir (08:44):
That's really something.
Elise Hu (08:46):
Yeah. Yeah.
Doree Shafrir (08:46):
But you can check that off. As you said, you can check that off your LA checklist. LA bucket list. Right, exactly. It's like LA bingo. It's like went to an event. We're the Kardashians. So we have a couple of questions that I want to read before we take a break. One of them was a text that we got and it said, "Hi, I'm looking for a quality women's bathing suit. Nothing too low or too high cut. Something that isn't itchy or doesn't feel terrible is a plus. Please share any brands."
Elise Hu (09:20):
You bought a new bathing suit just last summer for Mexico that you liked if I recall. I
Doree Shafrir (09:25):
Got a couple of rash guards and short kind of bathing suit, short bathing suits because I wanted them for the cenotes and zip lining and stuff. And they were fine, but I would not recommend them to this listener. I have heard Bowdoin makes a really nice bathing suit. It's going to be a little pricey, but I would check them out. I've also heard really great things about Land's End bathing suits.
Elise Hu (09:58):
I don't have either. I have a lot of Bowdoin clothing. I do like Bowdoin clothing. I recommend my J Crew. For some of my both one pieces and two pieces, I have J Crew bathing suits, which are
Listener Voicemail (10:10):
Great.
Elise Hu (10:11):
There's something, I don't know, I like them for my body type. They last a long time. There's some cute ones. And then I don't know if this is a women's bathing suit. I think I'm just cheating for the deal for the good deal. But my favorite two piece is from Arie, A - E-R-I-E, like the teen. It might be the teen intimates line from... Is it not Abercrombie? It's like Aeropastel. I think it's Aero Pastal's Teen Intimates Line Aerie. I don't know why I was on that site, but I found a very cute, plain, not padded forest green bathing suit that now I wear all the time is so comfy. I get tons of compliments on it.
Doree Shafrir (10:57):
Wow.
Elise Hu (10:58):
Okay. And I think it was like $26. Did you ever fall for the Instagram, the viral Instagram swimsuit brand Somersault? Because a lot of my friends have bathing suits from there.
Doree Shafrir (11:12):
I think I bought a Somersault bathing suit at one point and returned it.
Elise Hu (11:17):
Okay. A lot of my mom friends like those. I don't know why. I think they're nice, well-designed in terms of the cuts and sustainable maybe, though there's a lot of greenwashing going on these days, so I'm not sure.
Doree Shafrir (11:31):
So true. All right, well, there are some wrecks. If you have suggestions for bathing suits, please get in touch. Let us know what you are loving this season or what you have loved in past seasons and let us know. All right. We also have another request for a product.
Listener Voicemail (11:55):
Hi, Elise. Hi Doree. It's Katie Shinden. I'm calling for a recommendation on a chunky sandal, please. I know Doree has recommended great chunky sandals in the past. A Dr. Scholl's variety, I believe. I'm a Doc Martin girl. I've been wearing Doc Martin sandals also for years and I'm just at a loss. The new ones that I love are too heavy for my 57-year-old foot to clump around. I can't lift them even though they're amazing. Anyway, I'm just in need of a really cute lightweight chunky cool colors, maybe not just black. I don't know. I just need sandals and I love sandals and I need cool ones that fit me and look good. So I come to you guys for this information. Love you.
Doree Shafrir (12:42):
Elise, do you have any chunky sandals?
Elise Hu (12:45):
Yeah, I have a unconventional wreck for a chunky sandal.
Doree Shafrir (12:49):
Whoa,
Elise Hu (12:49):
Okay. Listening. Because I don't otherwise wear Crocs. I do not wear Crocs generally. Kids have and do, but they made a chunky sandal a few years ago that I loved that didn't look like Crocs. It doesn't have that kind of clog look. And I guess the closest, I went on their website to look for you listener, and the closest looking sandal that still is around to the ones I have are called the Brooklyn Low Wedge Matt Wrap Sandal and they're in white and incredibly comfortable. I have done music festivals in them. I have done long days at the Rose Bowl or wherever where I'm on my feet the entire time in Crocs chunky sandals. So that is my unconventional recommendation. What about you, Doree?
Doree Shafrir (13:45):
I actually do have a recommendation that I bought last year from Fit Flop, which is a comfort brand, but they have actually made some really cute shoes. I've bought some of their shoes that I have really liked and they have a few sandals that I think would fit the bill for you. They have a fisherman sandal that is really cute. And then I also have, it's called the Neo D Hiker Water Resistant Sandal. It kind of looks like a chunky Tiva. I have them in an olive green, but they come in black. They come in silver. They come in a couple other neutrals. I convinced my mom to get them too. And she was initially very hesitant because I have a narrow heel, which often makes buying shoes a little tricky, but she has a very narrow foot. She has a really narrow small foot, and a lot of times she has trouble buying sandals that don't come in narrow.
(15:00):
But these have adjustable straps.
Elise Hu (15:02):
Nice.
Doree Shafrir (15:03):
And she bought these and she loves them as well. So they have the mom seal of approval. I would say they come in whole sizes except for eight and eight and a half. I would say size down if you are in between sizes. At least that's how they fit last year. I'm usually like a nine and a half and I got a nine and they fit. If I'd gotten the 10, I think they would've been too big. There's my recommendation.
Elise Hu (15:33):
Yeah. Great.
Doree Shafrir (15:34):
Okay. And then we got an alarm clock recommendation. This was in response to another listener question. My husband introduced me to the Sunrise Alarm. There are many brands, but we have one from Monroe & Co. I'm shocked by how it wakes me up. It gets bright gradually over about 20 minutes and I cannot sleep once it's at its brightest. I love it because there is no jarring noise in the AM. If not this brand, then there are many others. Hope this helps.
Elise Hu (16:00):
Yay.
Doree Shafrir (16:01):
Okay, great. All right, we are going to take a short break. Before we do that, just a reminder, call or text us at 781-591-0390. Email us at forever35podcast@gmail.com. Our website is forever35podcast.com. We have links there to everything we mentioned on the show. Our Instagram is @forever35podcast. If you want more of us, which why wouldn't you? Our Patreon is at patreon.com/forever35. We have a free level where you get access to our newsletter and then for $5 a month you get our weekly casual chat, which we now do on video. We just scheduled our next live casual chat. So those are always fun.
Listener Voicemail (16:42):
Yes.
Doree Shafrir (16:43):
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Elise Hu (17:01):
We'll be right back.
Doree Shafrir (17:09):
All right, we are back. We got a question recently from someone who was thinking about moving away from a high cost of living area and wanted to know our thoughts, our listeners' thoughts, et cetera. We did get a voicemail in response.
Listener Voicemail (17:28):
Hi, Doree and Elise. This is Katherine. Long-time listener. And I wanted to call in about to comment on the listener who was questioning moving out of a high cost living area. I actually did make this decision almost six years ago now during the pandemic. My husband and I made the decision to move to Northern California and the greater Sacramento region, which is now becoming high cost, but at the time was still a lot more affordable than Los Angeles. And it was really a difficult decision at the time. And there was a lot that we really loved about LA, the food, the cultural aspects. My husband grew up there and had a lot of ties. So that was a hard decision. It was a hard adjustment to rebuild a community, but we were able to get a beautiful house that we would've never had a wonderful yard for my kids, which I really wanted.
(18:42):
I researched the salaries too and I was actually in healthcare. So the pay is actually better in this area and the housing costs lower. So it was such a better financial situation. It allows us so much more freedom. We do have the house and the yard I wanted and that was really important to me and I think it was the best decision I ever made. And the community has come with it and it took some time, but I think my overall quality of life is so much better and I am so glad we've made the leap. I would just do the research visit. No, it's going to be a hard transition if you do it and it's going to take time, but I would do it again. I have no regrets.
Elise Hu (19:39):
That's a lovely take. Great. You love to hear it.
Doree Shafrir (19:42):
Yes, I agree. That is a lovely take. Thank you so much for this. Elise, do you want to take this next listener email?
Elise Hu (19:51):
Hi, I loved the May 25th You Ask, We Answer, especially with the reading theme. I have two comments. One, I really enjoyed reading Amy Shern's book Animal Instinct and was shocked when Elise said it wasn't available at the LA Public Library. I live in the Bay Area, but taking advantage of the fact that most California libraries allow anyone living in the state a library card. I have one from LAPL. And when I popped up on Libby, I saw the book is available there. It might have been missed because you have to scroll down a little to find it. Two, I was surprised at how strongly I reacted to the discussion about reading romance. I hope the reader who wrote in is listening to Reading Smut, the podcast hosted by Brea Grant and Mallory O'Mara, the former guests of Forever 35. They were on episode 370 for discussion and appreciation of romance writing.
(20:46):
Thanks so much for all you do. Your new episodes are always at the top of my listening list. Thank you. Thank you. I don't know why animal instinct doesn't show up for me in Libby, but it doesn't. So I don't know. That's so funny. Obviously I want it. So I even put a request that if they do get it to please let me know.
Doree Shafrir (21:06):
Hilarious. Okay. We actually got a few meges about the romance question.
Elise Hu (21:12):
Great.
Doree Shafrir (21:14):
This listener writes, "I have nothing to say about what the listener should do, but there's actually an interesting feminist debate about this. In 1979, Anne Snittau, my favorite college professor in the '90s, wrote an article, Mass Market Romance: Pornography for Women is Different. She writes about reading romances as a way to assert/claim/explore their own sexuality. In 1984, Janice Radway wrote a book Reading the Romance: Women Patriarchy and Modern Literature. And they say, check out that cover art in which she posits that romance novels allow women to learn to cope within patriarchy and that the novels can be a site of resistance. I can't imagine that current scholarship is ignoring the enormous growth in romanticy, et cetera, readership, but I've thankfully left academia behind and can now just read novels worked on.
Elise Hu (22:11):
That does sound very academic, like all of these analyses and interpretations of what's going on here. But I love that that exists and it's great that this reader's own domestic back and forth then led us to learn about all of this scholarship as she said. Okay, next one says, "I want to push back on agreeing with the husband who accused his wife of consuming romance books like porn. Pornography is obviously a word used so subjectively, often to dismiss or attach shame to anything outside very narrow examples of sexuality and gender. But I think the husband was referring to content a person might use exclusively to masturbate or engage in sexual fantasy in a quick, disposable way that is different than many books in the romance genre. Romance books are so diverse and there is a spectrum of very spicy with depictions of physical sexual activity to very little or none at all.
(23:09):
Many romance books are focused more at least as much on feelings and relationships and all the other aspects of storytelling and literature. What often gets labeled romance is really just a story about a relationship that may or may not involve sex by a woman author and often traditionally from a woman's perspective. Though of course the genre is diversifying exponentially more recently. Without shaming porn, I think this husband sort of reduced a whole genre of literature traditionally associated with women into a very narrow understanding of one aspect of the genre, sex. And look, maybe this rife is really just into the spiciest romance has to offer. Great, but I can't shake the feeling there is some sneaky misogyny and heteronormative ickiness. And as you pointed out, insecurity involved in this husband's assertion that his wife's reading habit is really 'just bored. I'm thinking of all the authors, booksellers, and legions of romance readers who have to fight for respect and literary spheres being reduced and dismissed by this dude.
(24:06):
Not to mention the spaces within romance that BIPOC and queer folks have worked hard to carve out within this genre. Just one librarian's opinion, but this was bugging me. Thanks as always. Love that. I hope this listener feels supported by the community. And if you want to read more, there's a ton of scholarship. As it turns out, there's a ton of feminist scholarship on all of this.
Doree Shafrir (24:29):
There you go. I love this. Thank you so much everyone who weighed in on this so thoughtfully.This is so great. I love our listeners so much. And I hope our listener who wrote in with the original question maybe got a little - Is getting
Elise Hu (24:47):
To hear this. Yeah, is
Doree Shafrir (24:47):
Getting to hear this and maybe got a litle clarity on it. So thank you. All right, we are going to take another short break. And when we come back, we got a lot of great responses to the listener who called in or wrote in about recovering from surgery.
Elise Hu (25:03):
Okay, great.
Doree Shafrir (25:04):
So we will be right back. We are back. This listener says, "My young adult daughter had three major surgeries in the hip area. We found crutches, a walker, a raised toilet seat, and a machine that gives a continuous flow of ice water to all be helpful. These can all be found on sites like Facebook Marketplace. You want loose pants or shorts that are easy to pull on. A printed chart to fill in medications is helpful because you'll most likely be on multiple meds to start out with. Don't forget to stay ahead of pain meds and to stay up on things like MiraLax. You may want a small backpack as you go from room to room as you can't even carry a phone when both of your hands are on a walker or crutches. Oh, that's so smart. Have additional pillows handy for sleeping or take the ones from the hospital because they throw them out anyway.
(26:02):
She found that swinging into the shower with the crutches and coming out of it to the walker was easiest. And as Elise said, definitely do the PT, sending you lots of good thoughts.
Elise Hu (26:11):
Great tips.
Doree Shafrir (26:12):
So many good tips. Wow. Wow, oh, wow. Okay. We also got a voicemail on this same topic.
Listener Voicemail (26:22):
Hello, Elise and Doree. It's Katie. I'm calling about surgery recovery. And yeah, I've had two knee replacements. I had first one 2023, second one 2024. And man, yeah, do your PT. Definitely just follow all the instructions. Take time off work. Really take care of yourself. I can't remember if you said you have small children. I did not. My children are adults, but I have a special needs adult child who still needed a lot of care. So I had to arrange for that for help. But it was so worth it because I've moved so much better now. My life is 100% better now that I have two new knees. I work with small kids. I sit on the floor, I jump, I run, I do all that. So hip surgery, I have a couple friends my age, late 50s. Also, I've had them. Again, just take the time off work, really stretch, do all your PT, find a good show to watch.
(27:16):
Oh my gosh, I watched all of six sessions during last surgery. But just really, really take it easy. Don't overdo physical therapy.
Doree Shafrir (27:26):
Thank you, Katie. Katie is one of our most devoted listeners and often calls in multiple times. So we have played two of her voicemails this week.
Elise Hu (27:34):
Oh, yay.
Doree Shafrir (27:35):
Yeah. So thank you. Elise, do you want to read this next one?
Elise Hu (27:38):
Sure. Pause the pod to write in RE hip surgery. My mom had a hip replacement three years ago. For her surgery, they had her up and moving around right away. Some people are discharged from the hospital day of surgery. Moving and doing your PT is critical. She would say even if you 'graduate from PT, if you don't have the range of movement you expect, go for more PT if you can. My mom was also very active despite badly needed hip replacement surgery, so her doctor made it sound like recovery would be a breeze. I think that was true compared to a typical hip replacement candidate, but it was still really hard. My mom lives alone. I live nearby, so was able to move in until she felt comfortable being alone, but I had not planned to take time off work other than the day of her surgery.
(28:20):
I was able to move some things remote, but she ended up hiring a part-time home healthcare worker to be there during the day so I could go back to work and office. So depending on your situation, you might want to research companies, see what it costs in advance just to have a plan. You also mentioned your husband is sober. Might be worth having a conversation about having strong pills in the house. There might be a time early on when you need his help to manage your meds and depending on what your husband is sober from, that could be challenging. Very thoughtful. Wow,
Doree Shafrir (28:48):
That's really thoughtful and great advice. Thank you so much.
Elise Hu (28:53):
These are great things to remember for just post-surgery recovery even if it's not hip
Doree Shafrir (28:58):
Replacement. Finally, another listener is basically saying you got to advocate for yourself. They said if their surgeon doesn't prescribe physical therapy, harass them until they do. For some reason, it's not a given like it is with knee replacement surgery. From experience with my dad who had multiple hip replacements, more than two long story, I can tell you that the recovery goes much smother with physical therapy than without.
Elise Hu (29:20):
Yeah. Yeah. I think my dad didn't do enough the first time and then was much better with his second hip. But the cutest thing, the most endearing little thing about his replacement hips is that one of them or both I guess are titanium. And so he has to carry a little card for the metal detectors at the airport in case he sets them off because he's like part robot. He's part cyborg. So I think now he got a knee replacement too earlier this year. Clearly this family, my family needs a rheumatologist.
Doree Shafrir (29:52):
On call.
Elise Hu (29:53):
Yeah, we're going to go. Because my brother was like, "My knee's starting to mess up." And I'm like, "At first it was my right knee, but these days my left knee Really? And he's like, "Maybe there's something going on with the family at our joints, huh?"
Doree Shafrir (30:06):
Oh my gosh.
Elise Hu (30:10):
Such as this. Yep. Exactly. Yeah. Where's our sound
Doree Shafrir (30:14):
Effects? Yeah. All right. Well, that brings us over here to the intention zone. Yep. We do need a sound effect for that.
Elise Hu (30:29):
Elise,
Doree Shafrir (30:30):
Did you leave the house and do strength training?
Elise Hu (30:33):
I did. I did twice and then I couldn't move. And then I had to take a long break in between because I hadn't been doing it a lot and then I was so sore, my butt hurt so bad. Long time weak butt syndrome, dead butt syndrome suffer over years.
Doree Shafrir (30:48):
Yeah, dead butt syndrome.
Elise Hu (30:49):
So I have gotten back into it. I feel pretty good about that and there just needs to be more consistency.
Doree Shafrir (31:00):
Fair enough. Fair enough.
Elise Hu (31:03):
What about you? Well, we didn't really cover sectionals at the top of the show. Oh yeah,
Doree Shafrir (31:07):
That's
Elise Hu (31:07):
True. How did it go? We talked about it on the
Doree Shafrir (31:09):
Casual chat.
Elise Hu (31:09):
Yeah.
Doree Shafrir (31:11):
Sectionals was good. The team did not do that well. I did okay, but we had fun and it was nice to be away. The weather was great and it was just nice to be playing tennis. I mentioned this on the casual chat, but another thing that was really cool was there were multiple levels there. So I'm a 3-0. There were the 3-0 women and then there were the 4.0 women and then there were the 5.0 plus women and there's levels in between each. So you're 3.0, then you go to 3.5, then 4.0, 4.5. So women who are 5.0 are very good at tennis. Most of them, I would say you can't be a 5.0 without having played in college. And these are also women who are over 40. So I got to watch some of their matches and I was like, "Wow, this is very inspiring to see these women playing such high level tennis." Not to make assumptions, but it did look like several of them were into their 50s.
(32:10):
So that was very cool. And I saw a woman in her 70s who was playing a 4.0 match and I would love to be playing 4.0 tennis when I'm in my 70s. That's amazing. So yeah, it was very fun on many levels. And then this week, it's Henry's last day of school soon, beginning of summer. There's a lot of feelings. He's going to a different school next year. So just a lot happening. So going to try to just take it day by day, enjoy the beginning of summer and just be there for him also. But a lot of big feelings lately, I would say.
Elise Hu (32:50):
Well, and we should shout out all our listeners and wish all our listeners kind of a happy commencement and graduation to all your family members because this is one of the big graduation weekends. And last weekend really was too, I think. So
(33:04):
Yeah, congrats to all the grads and all the families who helped support your graduates and get through. So that's happening all over America right now, so congrats. And my intention is going to be to really enjoy family time because I have my parents here for the next month and it's really great to just all be able to be together. And then every time we're together, we plan our next adventure together as a family. So we're already thinking about what we're going to do for winter break and to get to see each other. So fun. So yeah, congrats to everybody. Happy graduation season. You made it through Maycember, everyone too. And we will talk to you next Monday or Friday if you are a casual chat listener.
Doree Shafrir (33:49):
Yeah. And Forever 35 is hosted and produced by me, Doree Shafrir and Elise Hu, and produced and edited by Samee Junio. Sami Reed is our project manager and our network partner is Acast. Thanks everyone.
Elise Hu (34:01):
Talk to you next time.
Doree Shafrir (34:02):
Bye.