Kate just got back from New York, where she enjoyed a slightly touristy visit to her favorite city in the world. Doree, on the other hand, has been vomiting. Morning sickness is hitting hard, though some sister-recommended medicine is working and she’s adjusting to a vaguely sick-all-the-time feeling. Despite feeling ill, Doree read more than three books in a week and found a cozy mystery series that hasn’t hooked her yet.

Then, the women talk to Jackie Johnson of the Natch Beaut podcast. Jackie talks all about figuring out the difference between vegan and cruelty-free products, getting away from bad people in her life, and the healing powers of her exceptional dog, Chooch. Follow Jackie @JackieMicheleJohnson on Instagram and @Jackie_Michele on Twitter.