Kate explains how to get quality Sephora samples without feeling bad about it, and Kate and Doree debate the merits of IKEA (Kate: very pro, Doree: somewhat skeptical).

Then they welcome comedian, celebrity dog groomer, and Instagram star Jess Rona, who shares how she has built her business after turning to grooming in a time of desperation. You can follow Jess on Instagram @JessRonaGrooming to see amazing dog videos or buy her new book, Groomed, for supremely cute pics of clients like Katy Perry's dogs. 

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