Kate just got back from New York, where she enjoyed a slightly touristy visit to her favorite city in the world. Doree, on the other hand, has been vomiting. Morning sickness is hitting hard, though some sister-recommended medicine is working and she’s adjusting to a vaguely sick-all-the-time feeling. Despite feeling ill, Doree read more than three books in a week and found a cozy mystery series that hasn’t hooked her yet.

Then, the women talk to Jackie Johnson of the Natch Beaut podcast. Jackie talks all about figuring out the difference between vegan and cruelty-free products, getting away from bad people in her life, and the healing powers of her exceptional dog, Chooch. Follow Jackie @JackieMicheleJohnson on Instagram and @Jackie_Michele on Twitter.

Kate opens the show by marvelling at the many listeners from all over the world, while Doree has to guess the top 5 states that download Forever35. Then, Kate discusses sauna miracle she recently experienced and Doree talks about a hotel bidet that changed her butt-care forever. Then, the women detail their nightly skincare routine.

Later, Kate and Doree have the pleasure of speaking to Courtney Chiusano, facialist and skincare expert. Courtney talks all about the differences between oils, the dangers of at-home peels, and answers tons of listener questions. You can book a facial with Courtney through her website or follow her on Instagram @CourtneyChiusanoSkincare.