Mini-Ep 448: Seeking Summertime Sunscreen Suggestions
Doree and Elise hear from listeners sunscreen for a specific part of our faces, answer some specific questions about our favorite beverages, and the current microjoys changing our lives.
Mentioned in this Episode
Matt & Doree’s Eggcelent Adventure
4th grade national parks pass
Parks Pass for those with disabilities
Luminous eye corrector by DRMTLGY
Supergoop Bright Eyed 100 Mineral Eye Cream SPF 40
Doree's go to HERO Sunscreen
Henry's Coppertone Mineral Sunscreen roll-on
Luna's Baby Bum Roll-on sunscreen
Elise's MAC Lightful CC Cushion (only available from Sephora Singapore)
Trader Joe's Kung Pao Chicken
Trader Joe's Shitake Mushroom Chicken
Friendship Month
Chapters
*Time stamps are approximate and do not include ads
0:00 - Intro
~9:00 - Bird Text
~10:00 - Zion recs
~13:00 - first ad break
~13:15 - Money month feedback
~16:40 - Advice for the listener who got laid off
~19:00 - Tennis Mantra
~22:00 - Curly hair prods
~23:35 - second ad break
~23:50 - Childcare question
~28:00 - Oscar advice
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Transcript
This episode transcript is AI generated.
Doree Shafrir (00:10):
Hello and welcome to Forever35, a podcast about the things we do to take care of ourselves. I'm Doree Shafrir.
Elise Hu (00:17):
And I'm Elise Hu. And we're just two friends who like to talk a lot about serums.
Doree Shafrir (00:22):
This is a mini episode where we hear from you, we share your comments and your thoughts, and we answer your questions to the best of our ability. But please remember, we are not experts. We're podcast hosts and we always encourage you to seek support first and foremost, from a medical and or mental health professional as needed. How's it going?
Elise Hu (00:41):
It's going. It's going. We are full on in summer here in my household and on the West Coast. I know it's really hard in New England and on the east coast where you go until kind of the end of June, but you don't have to start again until after Labor Day. So that's nice. But yeah, I have the kids around a lot more during the day, which is an adjustment.
Doree Shafrir (01:08):
I'll say those last two weeks of August before you go back to school on the East Coast are very long weeks. They're very long
Elise Hu (01:19):
Weeks. I imagine there's some good vacation deals though, right? Because everyone else in the rest of the country has gone back.
Doree Shafrir (01:25):
No, no, no, because everywhere that everyone from New England goes to is still stars. So I can't decide is it better to have it front loaded? You know what I mean? Or I kind of think it's better to have it front loaded because then by the end you're like, okay, goodbye. Hard to say. Hard to say. Not that I don't want my kid around, but
Elise Hu (01:52):
Speak for yourself, Dory. I was just complaining before we started recording that my cords go missing constantly my USBC to USBC cords because they have devices and their devices are keeping them company, especially when I'm podcasting and they're kind of kid rotting this week, and my computer that I podcast with didn't have any power due to cords just going, and it's sort of my fault constantly. We should share property. Property is shared, we are part of a family, but then when I don't have power for my computer, I'm like, that was my cord, my things, and I'm suddenly become very individualistic.
Doree Shafrir (02:42):
I mean, I feel like if you're using something for work purposes, it should be respected. Agree,
Elise Hu (02:48):
Agree. I've learned the hard way. We're going to have to have a little family summit about my chords. We're going to have a chord related summit. I don't know. We never have enough cords.
Doree Shafrir (02:59):
Gosh, I know. But I feel like the same thing happens with us with cords. We have a thousand cords, but the one you're always looking for is never around. We never have enough of, I feel like we never have enough of one particular cord. It's very annoying.
Elise Hu (03:16):
Yeah.
Doree Shafrir (03:16):
Yeah. So I hear you.
Elise Hu (03:19):
So as y'all know, this is a mini episode, call in, text us, write us with your cord management tips, because that is the problem of apparently. Yeah. I also have these cord drawers that are full of useless cords too, like old cables from with expired or I guess now extinct types of outlets and
Doree Shafrir (03:43):
Inputs and things. Yes, I have a whole container of obsolete cords. I don't know, why don't I just get rid of them? I don't know.
Elise Hu (03:55):
So we were talking in our Monday episode about how we're all trying to declutter and everything, and then you're trying to figure out your financial picture. How's everything going on? All the life management front?
Doree Shafrir (04:12):
It's going okay. Slow and steady. Slow and steady. The long and short of it is one of us needs a full-time job, and until that happens, it's going to be pretty precarious no matter how you slice it. So I don't know, don't really know what to do in that regard. So if listeners have any ideas or jobs they want to offer me, let me know
Elise Hu (04:47):
If anybody wants to be a patron.
Doree Shafrir (04:48):
Yeah,
Elise Hu (04:49):
We were like, how can I just find a Rockefeller type?
Doree Shafrir (04:53):
I know there used to be that system in the Renaissance really worked.
Elise Hu (05:01):
No, I was going to ask though. Matt still has a running podcast. He has a listener supported podcast of his own he not just excellent adventure. He does. He has his Star Trek world.
Doree Shafrir (05:12):
Yes.
Elise Hu (05:13):
Okay. Okay. So he's still going to continue podcasting, but still like a full-time job is ideal and far more sustainable.
Doree Shafrir (05:20):
Yeah, there's just not a lot of full-time jobs right now. That's the thing.
Elise Hu (05:27):
This is related. We had a strategy meeting for my production company, so listeners, I don't know if y'all know, but I have a woman owned production company that produces B2B podcasts. So essentially we make podcasts for clients, we make Microsoft's podcasts. We made the podcast for WeTransfer and GitHub, and as you may notice, these are a lot of tech companies and tech companies are kind of contracting in their marketing spends depending on which ones they are. And so that means that our pipeline is affected too. And I was having one of these strategy meetings this morning with a CMO type guy, and he was asking these business related questions, what is your core and what is your more what? And I was like, what does that even mean? What's your core business? What's your core business? And then what do you do? Just to kind of like what's your more? I see. But then I realized, gosh, I don't really know a lot of business terms. And his general takeaway was sort of like, well, this is a year that so many businesses are just hedging because there's so many economic headwinds and uncertainty. And so that kind of flows downward and it affects all of us, especially people who just want to work in creative spaces too.
Doree Shafrir (06:44):
Yeah, totally.
Elise Hu (06:45):
I left a full-time job so that I could have more life flexibility and I love that, but it requires so much more like being on top of the hustle.
Doree Shafrir (06:54):
Yeah, for sure. We actually got some counter feedback about the Dana Miranda episode.
Elise Hu (07:03):
Oh, interesting.
Doree Shafrir (07:04):
We got a few of these. I'm just going to read one of them. I felt like they all kind of said the same thing. So this was a text and this listener said, I get that the Antib Budgett discussion is supposed to be provocative and a newer way of thinking, but as a lawyer, a legal aid lawyer who has helped many struggling people file for bankruptcy, deal with foreclosure, stop or limit wage garnishment, stop harassing contact from creditors, et cetera. I have had a massive fire alarm sounding through my head this entire episode. Please, please tell your listeners to speak with a lawyer or educated financial planner before they start choosing to deprioritize their bills over their spending money. Yes. Filing for bankruptcy is a right. We all have, but not paying your bills sets you up to destroy your credit, which means it becomes harder to qualify for loans or rent a new apartment. Destroying your credit may also stop you from getting certain job opportunities. Yes, some debts may be negotiated eg medical debts, but you need to work with a creditor. You can't just stick your head in the sand. If you can't afford to pay a bill, the bill will go to collections. A collection agency will harass you and eventually they will file a lawsuit against you to garnish your wages. Please do not deprioritize bills without having a thoughtful conversation about the actual consequences of that deprioritization.
Elise Hu (08:16):
All really important reminders. And we did kind of push back as we were having this conversation because it did sound so surprising to be like, oh yeah, sometimes you can deprioritize certain bills.
Doree Shafrir (08:30):
Yeah. And another listener who wrote in said that she was glad to hear that we were pushing back on her and challenging her on some stuff that she said. But yeah, I just wanted to bring this feedback to the table because I think it's important to offer multiple perspectives. Speaking of multiple perspectives, another listener wrote in to say, hi, Elise and cat owners, please don't let your cats outside unless they're contained or on a leash. They're herding bird populations, which hurts entire ecosystems. It's in their nature to hunt. I know, but the consequences are real. Thank you for helping us protect cats and the planet.
Elise Hu (09:14):
I do not want more birds in my house. We have talked about trying to train Abe to walk on a leash, and then I'm going to be that lady who walks their cat on a leash. I actually think that he could do it. I think that he's a very dog-like cat. He plays fetch and he's able to open doors with his face so long as it's a sliding door or a barn door he can open and close doors really more open doors because they create the chaos. They don't clean it up, but he really loves a good game of fetch and he always comes when called. So it's no problem when he goes outside because we can say, Abe, Abe, and he'll just come back. So I think he could do it.
Doree Shafrir (10:00):
Oh man. Okay. Well keep us posted. Thank you listeners. And if you want to let us know about anything we've said or disagree or agree with anything, you can call or text us at (781) 591-0390. You can email us at Forever35podcast@gmail.com. Our website is Forever35podcast.com. We have links there to everything we mention on the show. We are an Instagram at Forever35 Podcast. Our newsletter is Forever35podcast.com/newsletter. And you can shop our favorite products at shopmyUS/Forever35. And after the break, we have a little bit more national park conversation and a sunscreen question. So we'll be right back.
Elise Hu (10:48):
Okay. We'll be right back.
Doree Shafrir (10:56):
Okay. We are back. And here's a voicemail we got at National Parks.
Listener Voicemail (11:03):
Hi, this is Raylin in Dallas. I was just listening to the mini app where Elise was talking again about national parks and taking the plunge and going ahead and booking a trip. And Elise, I think you mentioned Issa is going to be in fourth grade next year. And so I just want to make sure you and maybe the rest of the listeners know about the Every Kid Outdoors program here in the States, which provides a free one year National Parks Pass to every fourth grader in the country. At least as I understand it. I just checked the website and as of today, the program still seems to be operational, and you can find out more@everykidoutdoors.gov. Enjoy. Bye.
Elise Hu (11:48):
Isn't that great? It's so great. I love this program. We took advantage of it when Ava was in fourth grade or had just finished fourth grade. They'll honor it, I think if you're going into fourth grade or had just finished fourth grade. But it is free entry to a national park for the whole car, so everybody in the car gets in thanks to your fourth grader. Great program. Take advantage of it if you are headed to national parks this summer, and I'll certainly be doing it as well. Thank you to Issa for being the right grade.
Doree Shafrir (12:25):
Yeah. I also just want to point out that if you have a disability, you can get an access pass called America the Beautiful, the National Parks and Federal Recreational Lands Access Pass, and you can get into National Parks for free forever.
Elise Hu (12:44):
Wow. Great. Good.
Doree Shafrir (12:48):
I
Elise Hu (12:48):
Hope they don't end that program either. I'm sort of like, is that going to go away because
Doree Shafrir (12:53):
Then while the getting's good. Right. And that includes neurodiversity, by the way. Oh,
Elise Hu (12:58):
Good. Good, good.
Doree Shafrir (13:00):
Yeah. Okay. We got an email. Do you want to read this email, Elise? Sure.
Elise Hu (13:06):
Dear Dory and Elise, absolutely loving in the pod and thought of a question to send you with summer coming up fast, I'd love to know if either of you or any listeners have a sunscreen to recommend that is specific to the eye area. Eons ago keels made a sunscreen specifically for this area and made it clear you could use it on lids and orbital bone area. And I loved it. I put it on over my regular eye cream and it seems like such a smart thing to do. Isn't that area one in which you want to protect from the sun even more for future wrinkles, et cetera? My dermatologist also stress that small skin cancers can pop up in that area and it's often unprotected since most facial sunscreens say to avoid the eye area, I got suckered into buying this through an Instagram ad just because it has an SPF of 41 and is specific to the eye area, but it's pricey and I don't always want to wear a color that's not a great match. And she's linking us to the Luminous eye corrector SPF 41 by dermatology, that's D-R-M-T-L-G-Y, but it is priced at $44 for a small tube of it. The other eye cream with SPF I've found is through Super Goop and I didn't love it. And that's the super Goop bright-eyed 100 mineral eye cream in S pf 40. Surely there are more would love Rex or to know if listeners have a facial sunscreen they use in their eye area with no ill effects with many thanks. Dory, do you have any recommendations?
Doree Shafrir (14:40):
Well, I have found that when I use mineral sunscreen, I can use it in the eye area. It's only the chemical sunscreens that will irritate my eyes. My go-to hero sunscreen I use all over my face and Henry tends to get red right under his eye. It's a tough place to, and he doesn't wear sunglasses, so it's a tough place to get sunscreen on. But the Coppertone Mineral sunscreen roll on, I put right under his eye and it's fine.
Elise Hu (15:17):
We do the same for the baby bum roll on for Luna. And I often confession, I often wear it on my face as well because I'll forget to do any sort of routine in the morning before I rush out the door and I just kind of slather on the kid's sunscreen as I'm kind of getting in the car. Nice. So that one has been fine. I don't have a specific sunscreen for the eye area.
Doree Shafrir (15:44):
I don't either.
Elise Hu (15:45):
As y'all know, I use Korean sunscreens and they're very gentle. Or I put on my CC cushion the cushion, which is kind of like, it has a foundation type applicator and so that I can put on my eye and around my eye and it's full coverage. And so that has SPF in it as well. I'm running out of it though, and then I end up having to get it muled from abroad. And it's this whole thing now with the tariffs. I don't know. I don't know if it's going to be even harder and if there's reliable dupes out there. I don't know. So anyway, listeners, if you have specific I area sunscreens that you be sure to call and text us or email.
Doree Shafrir (16:30):
Yeah,
Elise Hu (16:31):
Let us know at forever podcast gmail com.
Doree Shafrir (16:34):
Okay. We have another voicemail.
Listener Voicemail (16:39):
Hi guys. I just went to Dunkin Donuts and got myself a delicious vanilla, actually, it's really sweet, but vanilla oat milk latte. And I was thinking about how alternative milks have been a lot more common recently. So I was wondering, do you have a favorite alternative milk that you use or is that not your thing? And do you have a favorite coffee order? Not necessarily at Dunkin Donuts, but elsewhere or one that you're enjoying right now? And also I was wondering with Dory's dinner dilemma, Dory, do you have a favorite thing that you're making right now? And Elise, do you have a favorite thing that you're making right now? Hope you guys are well,
Elise Hu (17:17):
So many questions, love questions. Suddenly like a Reddit, ask me anything. I love it. Bring it on. Maybe we should get on Reddit and do an ask me anything since Dory is such a devoted redditer as a reader. Anyway,
Doree Shafrir (17:33):
And I did an a MA for my slate column.
Elise Hu (17:36):
Oh, that's great.
Doree Shafrir (17:37):
Last week.
Elise Hu (17:37):
Yeah. Fantastic. It was really fun. We should do one for Forever35. Yeah. Well, what do you think, what's your coffee order and what are you making for dinner lately?
Doree Shafrir (17:49):
So I am not an alternative milk person. I drink regular whole milk, I guess regular like cow's milk. And I'm kind of boring. Usually if I'm ordering coffee out, I usually just get an iced latte.
Elise Hu (18:06):
Yeah, that's right. That's right. I recall.
Doree Shafrir (18:09):
Yeah, nothing super exciting. And then in terms of what I'm making for dinner lately, well last night Matt cooked, which was great because our schedules kind of changed. So I've been picking Henry up from school, and then yesterday he had soccer, so I was with him till five. So Matt cooked dinner and he busted out the instant pot, which we were like, when did we last use this instant pot? It's been years. And he made, he put chicken in and he shredded it with some barbecue sauce and it was really good. And he made mashed potatoes. He kind of just made a meal of stuff that we had in the kitchen had had in the house. Yeah, I feel like I have not been making anything especially creative lately.
Elise Hu (19:08):
We were talking about your lunch bowls though.
Doree Shafrir (19:11):
I just had a lunch bowl actually, of leftovers because I had rice. And then the other night we had tacos and I made just some ground Turkey with taco seasoning essentially. And we had some leftover. And then I had made, there's a barbecue crunch salad from Trader Joe's, I forget the exact name of it. And we had some leftovers of that, some shredded cheese and some sour cream. We didn't have any leftover beans and I didn't have an avocado, but if I did, I would've put them in. But it was good. That sounds delicious, like a bowl. That sounds delicious. It was. What about you?
Elise Hu (19:54):
Okay, so my coffee order, I actually prefer tea. I prefer iced tea. And my iced tea drink at Starbucks is the iced black tea with a strawberry acai base, no lemonade, because with lemonade it becomes too sweet. And then at boba places, I typically get just the house milk tea, boba or no boba, it doesn't matter. It's optional. It's your choice. But then the hack to elevate it is the sea salt foam. It's the sea salt foam on top. Then it's a little savory mixed with the sweet. As for alternative milks, yes, as for alternative milks, I love the taste of cow milk, but I was diagnosed with lactose intolerance as a 7-year-old and have done nothing about it ever since. I continued to just eat through my lactose intolerance. I was just sort of like, whatever, it's going to make gassy, gassy, no big deal. But in recent years, I don't know, just within the last two I would say I can actually notice my symptoms of lactose intolerance to the point where I feel very uncomfortable. I'm uncomfortable bloated if I have too much cheese and milk. And so I continue to consume dairy even though I shouldn't. But when it comes to coffee, which I have rarely, I will drink alternative milks. And my favorite one is cashew. Cashew milk is actually the creamiest, I think, but very resource heavy on the environment.
Doree Shafrir (21:21):
Yum.
Elise Hu (21:22):
And then if places don't have cashew milk, then I usually go to oat, like an oat milk latte. And if I'm having coffee with Dory, because I'll have coffee socially, you know how some people are social smokers or social drinkers? I'm a social coffee drinker. I have an iced, I have an iced oat milk latte with honey and lavender, so like an iced honey lavender oat milk latte. Typically places have honey, fewer places have lavender. But that is a great latte. And for lunches, I am now my hack for lunch. Now I like a hot lunch still. I don't like a sandwich. I like a hot lunch.
Doree Shafrir (22:02):
Yeah, totally.
Elise Hu (22:03):
And so what I'm doing is I'm getting the Trader Joe's Kung pow bag of Kung pow chicken.
Doree Shafrir (22:10):
I love that bag.
Elise Hu (22:11):
I do too. But I find it's too saucy if you use the full sauce. So now I'm using
Doree Shafrir (22:16):
Only
Elise Hu (22:17):
Just one packet, right? One packet of sauce, and then I cut up bell peppers, my own bell peppers to make it fresh and more complete and have a fresher flavor profile if I just add my own fresh bell peppers. And so that's what I'm doing. You could do onions as well if you have onions laying around because the package does have some onions and bell peppers in there, but they've been frozen
Doree Shafrir (22:43):
For
Elise Hu (22:43):
Who knows how long. Yeah. So
Doree Shafrir (22:45):
Anyway's, a good question. What else? Have you had their frozen shiitake mushroom chicken?
Elise Hu (22:51):
No, I haven't.
Doree Shafrir (22:53):
Oh, it's really good.
Elise Hu (22:54):
Okay. I got into the frozen green chili bowl, the green chili rice bowl that I got into after I got sick of the shawarma bowls, because I spent a lot of last year eating those.
Doree Shafrir (23:07):
No, the shiitake mushroom chicken is good, and it's the same as the Kang Pal. It comes in a big package, so I think it's a little more cost effective than the individual bowls.
Elise Hu (23:17):
Alright, thank you for the rest.
Doree Shafrir (23:19):
Alright, we are going to take another break and when we get back we have a friendship question, so it's not friendship month anymore, but we're going to answer a friendship question. Good.
Elise Hu (23:31):
Okay. Fantastic.
Doree Shafrir (23:32):
Yeah. Alright, we'll be right back. Alright, we are back and we have this question that says, hi Forever35 lovelies. I moved north of Boston last year, but grew up south of Boston. This is basically like I moved to another country. I have friends from high school who live south of the city, but it's hard to get together with traffic, naps, kids, et cetera. I'm trying to make friends in my town. I've had great success with my neighbors and recently met a couple at a cooking class. My question is how to take these friendships from surface level to deeper.
Listener Voicemail (24:13):
Great. Well
Doree Shafrir (24:14):
First of all, I just want to validate your feelings of moving to a different area, close to a city and feeling like you're in a different country. Because I will say I grew up outside of Boston as I think most people know. And Matt also grew up outside of Boston, but he grew up way north of Boston, almost at the New Hampshire border. And my whole orientation was west of Boston along Route nine for those of you who are familiar with Boston. So that was my orientation. My grandparents lived in Newton, just everything was along Route nine. We almost never went north or south of Boston. So there all these towns around where Matt grew up that I'm just like, yeah, never been there. Nope. Don't know it. And it's not that far away, so I fully get it. It's like if you lived in Santa Monica and then you suddenly moved to Eagle Rock.
Elise Hu (25:18):
Absolutely. I mean, somebody last night was talking about Hacienda Heights, which is way in San Gabriel Valley, and then somebody else was from Orange County. Completely different world, even though not technically that far away. So Chicago is like this too. Totally. I have a lot of family in Chicago, but in the northern suburbs and so there's so many people who grew up in Chicago who have never been to where my family in Chicago is from. So it's wild. Wow. Yep. I get it. Friendships, did you have any tips about how to, I
Doree Shafrir (25:49):
Feel like you are really good about taking friendships to another level.
Elise Hu (25:54):
A tip from Friendship Month that really stayed with me is about how friendships are really deepened and solidified over experiences. And this is why nobody is like, oh, remember that great zoom that we had? Or Oh yeah, that one telephone call that we had last Tuesday to deepen or solidify a friendship. Experiences like memorable experiences are really key. And so if there's folks that you've met in your cooking class listener or that you've met just casually and want to deepen that relationship, maybe do another cooking class or do a pottery thing or just something where you're actually doing something or go for a run together. I recently had my fifth anniversary with Rob and we were talking about how for the first few months of our relationship, we couldn't just sit around. We couldn't go on a date per se because it was COVID and we were masked in outside. And so all of our early dates were doing something. We were walking or going on a jog or having a picnic or something where you were kind of inactivity. So that's my tip to just try and come up with an activity. If you exercise, like go play tennis together or go for a run, that kind of thing can really help solidify a friendship,
Doree Shafrir (27:12):
Love that, love those tips. And just from me, I feel you on the Boston, the Boston commute. Maybe you can meet in between or something with your old friends. Lastly, we have a voicemail that just really made me chuckle that I also related to.
Listener Voicemail (27:40):
Hi ladies. Two things today. The first is that I recently discovered a new little delight in light, which is replacing the windshield wipers on my car. I had a windshield wiper that was sort of disintegrating and I had never done windshield wipers on a car before, but it's life-changing. Fantastic. Out of 10 would recommend, it was not expensive and it took a little time and effort and going back and forth with the worker at my local auto parts store to figure out which type of windshield wiper to buy. But once I had figured it out and purchased the right one, it really wasn't that difficult to install. And now every time it rains, I can actually see out of my windshield. It's amazing. I don't know if other people have been doing this all along and I just wasn't a part of that club. But now that I can actually see out my windshield when it rains, I am never going back. And I will be replacing my windshield wipers all the time.
Doree Shafrir (28:44):
I relate to this because for a while my windshield wipers were just bad and Matt kept saying he was going to replace them, but then it was really hard to find the right ones and then you finally replace them. And it does make such a difference to have good windshield wipers.
Elise Hu (28:59):
Mine are dreadful. Yeah, it's time. Yeah, it's time.
Doree Shafrir (29:03):
It's time. Do this for yourself.
Elise Hu (29:06):
It reminds me we should do a call out. It's about that time of year. We haven't done this in a few months, which is what are your micro joys out there? Dorie and I will prepare some micro joys to talk about at the top of our next show, but listeners, be sure to call right and text us with yours because it's, first of all, so many of your micro joys are great hacks like replacing our windshield wipers, but often they just make the rest of us feel good. So be sure to call in with those.
Doree Shafrir (29:33):
Yes, and I will start keeping a running list. Alright everybody, thank you so much, Elise, great to see you as always, and we'll talk to you soon. Bye
Elise Hu (29:41):
Bye.