Kate suffers a skincare existential crisis and Doree wants to collect her own wardrobe data. Then, listeners ask how to approach a coworker who has recently suffered a terrible loss, singing your heart out as a form of self-care, and where the highway to the intention zone originated. 

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• Episode 196: Examining Consumption with Aja Barber

• Karaoke Bluetooth Mic

• Jane Brody's Good Food Book: Living the High-carbohydrate Way

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Transcript

Kate: Hello and welcome to Forever 35, a podcast about the things we do to take care of ourselves. I'm Kate Spencer,

Doree: And I am Doree Shafrir, and

Kate: We are not experts.

Doree: We are not, but we are two friends who like to talk a lot about serums

Kate: And welcome one and all to this, a mini episode where we hear from you, we turn the tables on the podcast format. Nobody's doing this but us. We share your comments and your thoughts, and we answer questions to the best of our ability.

Doree: We invented it,

Kate: <laugh>. We came up with this. We're the only ones out there doing it.

Doree: Yep. Yep, that's

Kate: Us. That's how we have disrupted the podcast space <laugh>.

Doree: But with all that said, we are mere podcasts hosts. We are not experts, <affirmative>, and we always encourage you to seek support first and foremost from a medical and or mental health professional as needed.

Kate: If you wanna reach us, we love to hear from you. Our voicemail and text number is 7 8 1 5 9 1 0 3 9 0, or you can always email us or send us a voice memo at Forever 35 podcast@gmail.com.

Doree: And please do visit our website forever 35 podcast.com for leagues to everything we mention on the show. You can follow us on Twitter at forever 35 Pod on Instagram at Forever 35 podcast. You can join the Forever 35 Facebook group. The password is serums. We also have a wonderful Forever 35 newsletter, which you can sign up for at forever 35 podcast.com/newsletter. And you can shop all the products we mentioned on the show@shopmyshelf.us slash forever 35, arranged in a more thematically pleasing manner. <laugh>. And I also do just wanna plug our really great merch collab with balance bound. Yeah, I've been loving all the photos people have been tagging us in.

Kate: I have my Doree's Hotel Notepad right here at my desk. Actually, I just set up a bunch of the paper prods here.

Doree: I mean as well. You should.

Kate: Yeah, right.

Doree: You can buy all of that at balance bound.co/shop/forever 35.

Kate: Well, let me tell you what's been up over here, because yesterday I finally cleaned up the area around my sink, which had become a black hole of products.

Doree: Wait, bathroom sink we're talking about.

Kate: Yes. The kitchen sink is still like It's okay. Got, It's got a lot of dawn products as we know. I'm a really big loyal fan of Dawns. Yes, yes. But the kitchen sink is not too cluttered. My bathroom sink, however, was getting to the point where there was no counter space left. I even took a photo because we have double sinks in this home, and my side looks like 50 people are living there and using products. And Anthony's is the most minimalistic thing ever, which I know is very cliche along gender lines, but I can't even tell you. It was out of control. So I dug in and I organized and I cleaned up and I got rid of stuff and I moved stuff around. And I have an idea that I wanna float around here. I want to attempt, and I actually did this, and we're testing it out. I wanna attempt a skincare capsule, kinda like a capsule wardrobe <affirmative>, where I just have the bare bones amount of products that I use and that's it.

Doree: Okay.

Kate: Instead, you know me, I tend to be like, I'll try this tonight and this tomorrow and I'll use this and Oh, my skin's dry. I'm gonna try this. And instead, I laid out, I literally laid out a skincare wardrobe for morning and for night, and I'm going to see if I can just stick to those things.

Doree: So you're gonna be like me.

Kate: I guess I'm going to be like you <laugh>. But I try to also streamline a little bit too. So it's really like mourn is just a toner, vitamin C moisturizer, sunscreen, and nighttime is cleanser. And then I have the vintner's daughter essence. Then I have an oil and that's it. Okay.

Doree: Which is pretty

Kate: Good for me. I don't have any nighttime serums happening right now. Don't like, that's pretty minimalistic. I've gotta say, I've gotta toot my little horn here because I normally am layering a bunch of crap on.

Doree: Well, and also you like to dabble.

Kate: I do. As we've discussed. I'm always dabbling, but the dabbling is also, I think, kind of problematic in terms of my consumerism. I just have a bad habit of i'll, someone will be like, Oh my God, this thing. And I'll immediately click add to cart, click order without truly thinking through whether or not I need it, whether or not this is really gonna work for me. Whether or not I do, I already have 50 things that do what this thing says. Also, isn't all skincare essentially just a marketing scam? And do I really think this is gonna do anything? Kate, question mark. I've done a lot of coffee. Hey, wow.

Doree: <laugh> having, I would almost describe this as a skincare existential crisis.

Kate: I've really been in it for the last few months where I've kind of been like, What am I doing? What is this? Why did I get this? For example, I bought the Algens Genius liquid collagen <affirmative> to product people love. It's a product people love. Did I need it? I have 8 million products that quote, reduce the appearance of fine lines and wrinkles or add buoyancy to the skin. I've got a million things. I didn't need it, but I was sucked in by the excitement. And I don't know. I don't know. Doree,

Doree: I hear you. I hear you

Kate: Now. But I still love skincare and I still love using the products that I've laid out, but I just am trying to be a bit more thoughtful. And so one of the ways I'm trying to do that is just to see if I can slow my role. And actually, Doree, I finally got my ass in gear and I made my own shot, my shelf, which I know you have, you've already done. But I did one this weekend and I created a shelf called, This is How I'm currently Washing my Face. And so all the things my minimalist align, which ultimately is not that minimalist, is in there. If anybody's curious. My shop, what is my shop? I think it's Shop my.us/kate Spencer. I think that's it. Yep. That's it. So be curious.

Doree: I'm excited for your journey, Kate.

Kate: I mean, watch this backfire and I'll be back to collecting jars of things in no time. Well, it's hard.

Doree: I mean, it's hard. It's hard. I,

Kate: I understand this, right? You get it. This urge and this feeling. And of course reflecting on it. Of course. Yeah,

Doree: I do. I dunno. No, whatever. I'm not gonna, I'm just gonna shut it.

Kate: Wait, what just happened?

Doree: <laugh>, I have nothing else to say about this. I think this is great, Kate, and I look forward to hearing more.

Kate: Thank you. Did you wanna talk about your thing that you had written down here, or no?

Doree: Oh yeah, sure,

Kate: Sure, sure. Sorry, I was trying to segue you into that. I wasn't trying to bait you into talking about something you didn't wanna talk about. I'm sorry. Oh,

Doree: No, no, no. It's okay. I had another comment, but then I was like, This is not helpful. So I decided to just

Kate: Switch gears. You saved it. <laugh>.

Doree: Yeah. Kate, I, It's so funny because the other day I was looking at my clothes and it, it's just, I do go through these cycles where I buy a bunch of stuff and I like a lot of it, but I don't like all of it. And then I'll sell it. And then it is a pattern that I've gotten used to, but and I have said, I wanna be able to look in my closet or look in my dresser and feel good about whatever's in there that I could put anything on, and I would be, I feel great, which is not true right now. I will say one thing that has helped though, is really making sure that I buy stuff that fits and making sure that I get rid of stuff that truly doesn't fit, which is just, I think, psychologically healthy also. Anyway. Yeah. I had this thought the other day that I was like, I should do the thing where you know, turn around the hangers. You turn around all your hangers, and then when you wear something, you turn it back. And then after, I've never heard

Kate: A story.

Doree: Oh, it's like a classic kind of closet organizer wardrobe trick. So then after however many months, six months or a year or whatever, you can look in your closet and anything that has not been turned the other way, you're like, Oh, well I haven't worn this in a year. And then that doesn't automatically mean that it has to go, but it's data as I like to say.

Kate: You do to say that. And I really appreciate that. That's how you roll right now.

Doree: Well, thank you. And it's one of those things where you can Marie condo it and say, Okay, I haven't worn this in a year, but you know what? This dress really brings me joy. And I know I don't wear it that much, but when I do wear it, I have all these great memories, or I feel so good in it, whatever, so I'm gonna keep it. But then maybe there's something that you're like, Oh, this shirt, I haven't worn this in a year. You know why? Because I put it on and I'm always kinda like, Meh, this isn't anything special. So you know what? I'm gonna get rid of it. It doesn't spark joy. I haven't worn it for a year. So I think I kind of wanna wanna do that. I've done a version of that before and it is always helpful in my opinion.

Kate: So can I ask you a question? Oh, go ahead. Sorry.

Doree: Of course. No, no, no. The way

Kate: I wanted to ask you, because you're saying this, and so I'm wondering, I have this dress, it's a black dress, it's a great all-purpose dress. It's too tight on my boobs and tight and the arms and shoulders, but I keep get rid of it. Kinda holding up

Doree: Bye. Needs to go

Kate: Dress.

Doree: That dresses is not serving you. Kate, do you feel when you put it on and it's too tight on your arms and on your boobs, do you feel good?

Kate: No, I feel claustrophobic. And also like it's gonna rip.

Doree: There you go. There's your answer.

Kate: Okay. See, I needed this.

Doree: Yeah,

Kate: You needed

Doree: Some tough wardrobe. Love

Kate: <laugh>. Can you do that? Tough wardrobe love to yourself, Do you think? Is that how you are?

Doree: That is the question, right? I do think when I've done this in the past and then I have a bunch of clothes that I haven't worn in however long time, I will put everything on and sort of reevaluate. And some of this stuff, it's like, Oh yeah, I'm not wearing this because I now think it's ugly, or I don't like these colors. Or it's like, I don't like how this fits on me. I don't like how this looks. Or it's just like, eh, this dress is like a c plus and it's dragging down my gpa. It's dragging down my wardrobe gpa. Kate

Kate: <laugh>,

Doree: My

Kate: Wardrobe gpa. Oh my God, that's a brilliant, I love that you have just come up with that.

Doree: I mean, I need to graduate at least magna cu la so

Voicemail: <laugh>.

Kate: Oh my

Doree: God. No, but you know what I mean? It's like, yes. That's what I'm saying. I wanna wanna look at my closet and say I love everything I have not, the stress is fine because you know what else I realize? Kate

Kate: <laugh>, Come on, I'm here, I'm listening. I'm enthralled.

Doree: Say you, Let's say you're going out, Let's say you're going out on a date night with your significant other, your partner, or you're going out on a date or whatever. Do you have that one dress or that one outfit that you're like, I look good in this dress. I always wear this dress. I'm gonna go out in this dress because I feel like I do. And then it's like, Well, how many other dresses do I actually neat if I know that I always feel good and look good in this one dress? Okay, it's nice to have a few other options, but I don't need 20 other options because number 20 on that list is just not gonna get worn. Now granted, you have different styles and fabrics for different times of the year and occasions. I don't wanna end up with 10 sleeveless dresses and nothing long sleeve, et cetera. You get my point. But I don't know, I've just been thinking about this. You do wanna mix it up, or I should say, I wanna mix it up. I know there are some people who are perfectly content wearing the same thing every single day, and that's totally fine. I like to have some variety, but maybe I don't need as much variety as I think I do.

Kate: What the, I don't have a dress or an outfit or a thing that is go-to going out Luke, and I wish I did. I feel like I'm searching for that right now. What is yours? Do you feel like sharing or is that something you wanna keep close to the vest

Doree: Or close to the dress? <laugh>. I got this dress that was a birthday gift to myself at do, which is a very lovely but expensive brand. And it's a, A maxi dress. I wore it the other night. I wore it when we had dinner, Kate.

Kate: Oh, the blue one?

Doree: The blue one. Is

Kate: It blue? Okay. Oh, it's

Doree: Pretty. Yeah, it's dark blue <affirmative>.

Kate: Yeah. And you wore it with a cheese jacket and stylish jacket

Doree: I wore with a jean jacket and stylish sandals. And I wore the exact same outfit when I went out to dinner a few nights earlier. And it was super comfortable. It's been warm here, but it gets a little bit cooler. So having the jean jacket, and I feel like that dress is sort of casually elegant.

Kate: It's very elevated. I like it,

Doree: The vibe I'm going for. So that's my current dress of choice, I will say.

Kate: Okay. All right. Well, I aspire for this, but this is really great advice. I'm really, really into this.

Doree: The last thing, I'm really glad to hear that. The last thing I will say is I've really been thinking a lot lately about that saying, reduce, reuse, recycle.

Kate: Yes, I've heard it.

Doree: Yes. <laugh> really been thinking a lot about reduce the aspect of it and the reuse <affirmative>. But a lot of the reduce, not just when it comes to clothes, when it comes to driving, I'm trying to use my bike more. I'm trying to bike short distances, not drive as much. I'm trying not to just buy as much stuff because recycling is great and all, but it's better to just not have as much stuff in the first place.

Kate: Now this is what I'm talking about. This is where I need to land. I think you are so right.

Doree: I know you're not on Twitter, but Aja, Barbara genius past forever, 35 guests. She's been tweeting a lot of stuff recently that I've been like. Yes, yes. And one of the things she tweeted recently was that a lot of times when people move away from fast fashion and they replace it with ethical fashion, they just buy a shit ton of ethical fashion.

Kate: She

Doree: Was like, That's also not great. <laugh>.

Kate: I follow her Patreon. I'm a member of her Patreon, and she was talking about this, and I feel like this is something she also mentioned in our interview, which is you're not replacing, the fix isn't more ethical brands. Right?

Doree: Exactly. Yes.

Kate: It's the practice. It's changing the practice, not the product.

Doree: Yes. So

Kate: Lots to think about. I'm

Doree: Lots to think about. I'm trying to put that into practice. It's, It's all part of an ongoing effort, I think. But just wanted to share that.

Kate: Thank you. I really appreciate that. Well, let me know how it goes with the hangar thing. I'd be curious to find out if that actually works. Or maybe someone's done that here, a listener's done it and it worked for them, or it didn't work. I would love to hear, let us know.

Doree: All right. We're gonna take a break. Well, let's take a break.

Kate: Let's do it. B.

Okay. Doree, we're back with a more intense question. This is probably the heaviest we're gonna get today. Kate and Doree, I am seeking some of your sage advice recently. My coworker suffered a tremendous loss. Do you have advice on how to approach a coworker after they return to work? For context? We don't socialize outside of the office, but we have worked together for many years and are friendly at work. When I see them for the first time after they return to work, what is the appropriate greeting? I feel the need to acknowledge their loss and express my sympathy, but also do not wanna upset them at work or make them feel awkward. Maybe you or listeners who have suffered loss can weigh in on what they wish coworkers would do or not do, say or not say. I realize this may depend greatly on the individual and how they process grief, but I am hoping for some overall guidance. As a side note, our team has sent flowers, cards, food, et cetera. Do your thoughts, or would you like me to jump in here?

Doree: I would love for you to jump in.

Kate: So my biggest loss thus far is my mom dying, and I was not employed when she died. I had quit all my jobs and moved home to be with her. So I started a job about three months, two or three months after she died. So I don't have quite an experience here, but I think how I would approach it personally is to acknowledge what this person has gone through in a way that allows them to have control over the situation. I think what's really hard when we speak to people who are grieving or going through a tremendous loss is we want them to control the interaction. So I would say send an email, leave a card at their desk, stuff like that gives them, allows them to do stuff in their own time so that you aren't passing them on your way to go poop in the office bathroom.

And you're like, Oh, hey Deborah. I'm really sorry. Right. Cause that I think for many people who are grieving work is a safe space, and that it allows you to have some sense of normalcy and to have a distraction. And so I would express your grief on their terms as best you can. No, excuse me. Express your empathy sympathy. So that's my advice. It sounds like you and your colleagues have done a lot, and I would say also you can let them lead. For example, if this coworker came in and was talking about the experience, go with that. But if you are like, Hey, sorry, and they're like, Great, bye. I don't wanna talk about it. Let them acknowledge the signs that they're sending you and respect their space and whatever response or reaction they may have. I don't know if that's the best advice. I would definitely love to hear what other people think here. Doree, do you have any thoughts?

Doree: I was talking with a friend of mine earlier today and the conversation turned to her father died pretty tragically about 10 years ago. And I was like, Oh. And we were talking and I was like, Oh gosh, I'm sorry. I didn't mean to dredge things up for you. And she was like, No, honestly, I like talking about him. And it's worse when people try to tiptoe around it or don't wanna bring it up.

And so I think that that's just another thing to keep in mind. And I know I see this a lot also in infertility and pregnancy loss groups. People who have lost, had stillbirths or lost babies, and they want to remember those babies. They want people to talk to them about it a lot. I shouldn't say all of them, but a lot of them express this feeling that people feel awkward. They don't wanna bring it up and they wanna talk about it. So I think Kate's right, let this person kind of lead. But I would say don't, Don't feel like you can't bring it up,

Kate: I guess. Yeah, I think that's good advice.

Doree: That's how, that's my feeling on it. Well,

Kate: Maybe people have experienced this on the side of the person who has gone through a loss. I would love to know how it's gone. And I'm sure some people have some great experiences and some awful experiences.

Doree: Yeah.

Kate: There's always someone who's gonna make it real awkward for you, <affirmative>. It just is. It just is.

Doree: <affirmative>.

Kate: Well, let's shift gears immensely to an entirely different topic.

Doree: Let's do

Kate: That. Okay. You take this one. This is important. All right. And relevant to your life.

Doree: Hi, Ka Andor. Just listen to your podcasts. And I'm used by Matt's food puns that are carb focused.

Kate: Okay.

Doree: Here's ours that are more protein based ish. I do help. It finds us planner our meals by providing constraints. Seafood Sunday Meatless Monday, or also tried Pulse Monday.

Kate: Oh, what does that mean? What's Pulse Monday? Does

Doree: That mean? Does that mean nothing that has a pulse

Kate: <laugh>, Oh God.

Doree: Or things that only have a pulse

Kate: <laugh>.

Doree: I don't know.

Kate: I was wondering, I couldn't figure out what, what that meant.

Doree: I think that must be what it meant, What it means. Taco Tuesday, double Wednesday, W Wednesday, trying to eat meatless twice, but no pun.

Kate: Doree. Can I start yourself back? I'm pretty, Oh, I'm sorry. I'm pretty sure pulse is like another word for beans or lagoon. Oh,

Doree: Okay.

Kate: So I'm, I'm gonna Google that.

Doree: So not something that has a pulse

Kate: <laugh>, but I like your version better.

Doree: Okay. Beans. Treat yourself Thursday. Order in or outing BBQ Friday, no pun, but means hubby. Cooks special Saturday slash pizza. Okay. I do just wanna point out that two of your days are carb days. Taco Tuesday and pizza day. One of them is just ordering in. So just get

Kate: You a little defensive there.

Doree: Well, just like these are carb focused. It felt a little judgey, to be honest. I

Kate: Mean, carbs are wonderful. Yeah. They've gotten a bad rap to

Doree: Survive.

Kate: Yeah. Yeah. I think I've told you, but one of my favorite things from my childhood that I've recently purchased is this High carb cookbook by Jane Brody. Oh,

Doree: Yeah.

Kate: Who I believe is a slightly problematic person, but my mom used to use that high carb cookbook. I don't know if it's called High Carb. Exactly. But boy did we use Eat a lot of Jane Brody. All

Doree: Right. Anyway, this listener says, I do help. It finds us plan our meals by providing constraints. I have it in notes and jot down ideas for the week. Hope that helps inspire some meals. Yes. I do find that constraints are really helpful. I will also say, I got a text from Matt about an hour ago, and he said, I'll cook the burgers tonight.

Kate: Today's Monday. Monday, right?

Doree: Monday. Monday.

Kate: Oh, Monday. Monday. <laugh>.

Doree: Yep. Monday <laugh>. And I said, Okie doke. Are you also doing the grocery shopping? And he said, Yeah.

Kate: So what I'm hearing is that this has inspired involvement. Yes. It's given him agency and ownership, which is what

Doree: We want you some ownership. Exactly.

Kate: Okay. Okay. All right. So I love the idea of constraints too. That's really a smart thing to point out, is that just having something that focuses you so you aren't like, What do I make? Yeah, That's really smart. Yep.

Doree: Yep.

Kate: All right. Well here's an email that I just wanted to share before we head to break. Hi. At Cat Endor, I wanted to share my current method for storing hair ties and scrunchies old candle jars with lids are the perfect size for this. You can get rid of wax by popping them in the freezer, and then they make cute decorative storage containers. Okay. I like this idea, except I do feel like the repurposing of candles, candle jars is a real, It is a trend that's taken off in the last few years.

Doree: <affirmative>

Kate: Great. Do only, My Instagram feed is just constantly people repurposing candle jars.

Doree: I think I don't have as many people repurposing candle jars, but I agree. It has become a real thing.

Kate: I would say it's my like for you page or my explorer page. It's not that my community is doing it, it's that the algorithm knows that. That's what I wanna see.

Doree: Ah, yes. Yes.

Kate: I mean, great idea. And I always throw the lids away. I always throw the candle lids away, so I

Doree: Know I need to be better about that.

Kate: Yeah, majorly. All right. Hot tip. Okay, well, let's take another break and we'll be back with a couple more messages.

Doree: All right, brb.

Kate: All right. Welcome back. Here is a text message that we received. Hi. Listening to the recent app, and love the suggestion to talk more about music. Would especially love to hear you both talk about singing as self care, whether by yourself in the shower or in the car, or with others. I have been part of a couple of adult community choirs and also love karaoke, especially going to a private room in the middle of the day and just singing my heart out with one or two friends. So cathartic. I also recommend this amazing karaoke Bluetooth mic, which we will link to <affirmative>. Okay. First of all, I'm this karaoke mic. Both my children own this thing. This thing is essentially the existence. My God, they do <laugh>. Oh my God. Yeah. I guess you haven't gotten to the part of,

Doree: That's funny

Kate: Of parenthood where your people give your children karaoke microphones. But it's coming for you, Doree. And maybe it'll be me. Maybe I'll be the one who gives Henry a karaoke microphone. So just look out.

Doree: Wow.

Kate: Do you sing?

Doree: Okay? Do I sing? Yeah. I like to sing. We have those Maurice Sandeck books, like Alligators All Around, and Chicken Soup with Rice. Do you know what I'm talking about?

Kate: Oh my God. I love Chicken Soup With, Yes, I do my, I love Maurice.

Doree: So I've been singing those to Henry because they turn them into songs for really rosy, and he loves it, and he asks, He requests for me to sing it to him, which is really sweet. And he loves to sing. He sings to himself in his crib. I heard him singing this morning. I heard him singing Peanut Peanut butter Jelly,

Kate: Jelly <laugh>.

Doree: But my favorite, and I actually recorded this, he was singing a couple weeks ago, Five Queen and Speckled Fog Saddle. A Speckled <laugh>.

Kate: I love that one.

Doree: Eating some most A Wishes bugs. Yum,

Kate: Yum, yum.

Doree: <laugh>. It was really cute. So I love that he likes to sing, and yeah. But

Kate: Doesn't

Doree: Your family just walk down the street singing?

Kate: We're a really singing family. So my husband is a musical. He works in musical theater. He is a musical person, and so he's always making up songs or sing. That's just kind of our family, how every family, Well, I would hope Every family has kind of funny, weird things about them as a unit. Ours is definitely weird songs, Making up songs, singing songs I like to loved. I like to sing. And I would love to be in an adult choir, actually. I think this would be such a blast. I no idea how to do that. And I don't have, I'm not an amazing singer. This reminded me of a warmup that we often did in the long form improv community, of which I am a longtime member, which is a game called Hotspot, where you get a suggestion of a word and you're, you stand in a circle with your class or whoever, and then the word is like bubble gum.

And then someone know what, You have to jump in to the center and start singing a song, and you sing until someone taps you out and sings another song that what you're singing made them think of. And so it can be a very daunting exercise to lead or to participate in, because you're like, I can't sing. I'm gonna fucking stand in the middle of this random group of people and start belting it out. But it gives you such amazing confidence. So I love that. I'm not saying you and I should practice this together, but it is also really fun, and I love doing it. That is fun. Anyway, my kids love to sing. Yeah. We're singers. We're singers. Okay. Now I'm gonna look into an adult choir here in Los Angeles. That would be really fun. I love this. I can't wait to come to your concert, <laugh>, come to my show. That would be fun. Yeah. Well, before we wrap up, we actually hit a voicemail that really just fit with this theme.

Voicemail: Hey, I don't know if I got this from you guys or if I just made this up in my head, but every time you guys go to the Intention Zone, I start singing Way to the Indian Zone. I'm singing halfway and that in head at an hour. So anyway, Highway to the Intention zone. Love you guys. Bye.

Kate: We have definitely sung that. You did get it from us, for sure. Yeah. And I want you to always think of that when we talk about being in the intention zone. So I'm really glad that worked. Yeah, totally. We did it. Ugh, what a great jam. <laugh>. Did you see the new Top Gun Doree?

Doree: I did not. Did you?

Kate: I haven't seen it. I watched the old one for the first time in my life this summer. I'd never seen the original. And my nine year old did see the New Top Gun, and it's currently her favorite movie, so that's right. We let our kids watch Top Gun. I love it. But anyway, she would be rocking out right now. She loves Top Gun and all the news <laugh>. All right. Well, everybody, you know what, please do call in and leave us voicemail singing. Don't be shy. It can be a safe space for you to just work those muscles, those vocal muscles.

Doree: Yeah.

Kate: All right. Well, Doree, talk to you later.

Doree: All right. Bye.

Kate: Cheerio.