Mini-Ep 302: Butts, Butter, and Horses
Kate continues to recover from Covid and Doree has a relaxing Thai massage. Then, listeners write in wondering if they're too old for a nose piercing, questioning what age is too young to read romance, and offer up a beauty tip involving spoons.
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Kate Spencer: Hello, welcome to forever 35, a podcast about the things we do to take care of ourselves. I'm Kate Spencer,
Doree Shafrir: And I am Doree Shafrir
Kate Spencer: And we are not experts.
Doree Shafrir: No, but we are two friends who like to talk a lot about serums.
Kate Spencer: And this is a mini episode where we hear from you. We share your comments and your thoughts, and we answer your questions to the best of our ability.
Doree Shafrir: Please remember we are podcast hosts. We're not experts. And we always encourage you to seek support first and foremost, from a medical and or mental health professional as needed.
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Kate Spencer: Doree. I am testing COVID negative. So I just wanted to share that pleasant news.
Doree Shafrir: I'm very happy to hear that
Kate Spencer: I am happy and I have returned home to California, which has also been very nice.
Doree Shafrir: How does it feel to be home?
Kate Spencer: Great. Honestly, it feels great. Um, you know, I'm very grateful that I was able to have COVID and just isolate and be alone in many ways, because I think it would've been hard for me to fully relax. If I knew like my kids needed my help or my husband was stressed or my dogs needed
Doree Shafrir: Totally
Kate Spencer: Go for a walk. So I do, you know, really see the, um, privilege and getting to just isolate in a hotel just because I happened. I've gotten COVID away from home. Um, uh, but it does feel good to be back. I am sleeping in our little guest house garage and I slept for 11 hours last night. And I, I did that. I, I didn't wanna be like breathing on Anthony all night and giving him COVID and I started my first day masked in the house. And then when I tested negative, I have stopped, but I still am just kind of trying to keep my distance. So yeah, 11 hours sleep. I mean, it was aided by NyQuil, but it felt great
Doree Shafrir: Okay.
Kate Spencer: Yeah. You know, Nyquil is, uh, Nyquil is selfcare
Doree Shafrir: Nyquil is, is serious stuff.
Kate Spencer: Yeah, it is. It is. I owe a lot of my, like, uh, recovery, many minor viruses to NyQuil. Um, but I will say, and I did wanna note this is that the post COVID recoveries is a, a lot, like, I, I, at least what I'm experiencing, like I'm having weird little things. I, I don't feel great. Um, and so I am trying to take it easy and you know what I was, I was gently and lovingly called in my two friends over text message last night, not to overexert myself. Yeah. I two really good friends. They
Doree Shafrir: Sound really cool.
Kate Spencer: They sound really cool. One of them might have been named Doree. Oh,
Doree Shafrir: Oh, oh me.
Kate Spencer: Yeah. You,
Doree Shafrir: No me,
Kate Spencer: <laugh> you and our friend, Danielle, who, uh, has also dealt with COVID. I was like, everybody I'm negative and I'm gonna go to this protest. And, uh, I, I was, I was about to like really overexert myself. And you both were like, Hey, recovering from COVID is a thing you need to, you need to take it seriously and just relax. And I was like, oh man, this is hard for me, but okay.
Doree Shafrir: As I think I said to you over text, there are many other ways that you can be active in, you know, the, the world of reproductive rights. And yes, showing up for protests is very important, but so are like a million other things. And given that you are recovering from COVID
Kate Spencer: Yeah.
Doree Shafrir: I think it best for you to stay home. Kate
Kate Spencer: And I did, and I, I went, I fell as you know, I went to sleep and I got that 11 hours. Clearly my body needed it. I it's, it's very hard for me to slow down and it's very hard for me. The second that I am better to not feel like I need to go at full blast. And again, like, I am lucky that I can slow down, you know? I mean, I think about, I think about how, like how medical professionals and many other people were being told to go back to work if they had COVID, even if they didn't have symptoms and like, you know, God, I mean, again, we'll get into this. There's so much, you know, privilege in how we are able to deal with COVID. And I I've just been thinking a lot about that because I I'm steeped in it. But, um, yeah. So I'm trying to take it easy. It's hard for me to take it easy, but I'm trying, and I really do appreciate, I really, really appreciated you to saying something to me in a very nice way. You were just like, Hey, you don't, you need to chill out, but it really helped. And then I was immediately like, oh, my friends are right. They really just like, they really, they were just, it just really, really helped me to slow down. So thank you.
Doree Shafrir: Oh, thank you, Doree. You're so welcome. I, and you know what? It I'm so, so glad that you did take our advice to heart and that you, you did end up getting 11 hours of sleep because like that does just show like your body is recovering. Like your body is very tired.
Kate Spencer: Yes. I know. I need to take care of this body.
Doree Shafrir: You do. Oh, but it's, it's beautiful, beautiful body.
Kate Spencer: Mm. The sweet meat sack. <laugh> and I do like, what's interesting is my symptoms are still persistent. I'm still, you know, so I'm trying just to be aware. Well,
Doree Shafrir: I think it's hard because like, you probably do feel better than you did in the depths of COVID. You know what I mean? Mm-hmm <affirmative> so like you are getting better, but that still doesn't mean that you are well
Kate Spencer: Mm, good point.
Doree Shafrir: If I may,
Kate Spencer: you may, that's a really good point. And I think also when you have what's quote, unquote, like mild COVID.
Doree Shafrir: Yes.
Kate Spencer: Which I would assume that's what mine would be categorized as like you're, you're kind of like, this should be a walk in the park.
Doree Shafrir: Totally. Well, I think, I think it's, and this is sort of what we navigated when Matt had COVID, which, you know, now feels like a million years ago. Um, mild COVID is, is classified as anything that doesn't put you in the hospital.
Kate Spencer: Yeah. Yeah.
Doree Shafrir: So there is a very wide range of mild COVID. I mean, that can range from everything from like asymptomatic COVID to like, you can't get outta bed. Yeah. But you don't have to go to the hospital. So like, I think, you know, and I, I think that was actually, uh, that has actually been, uh, a problem for some people, because like you just said, they tell themselves, well, I, I have mild. COVID like, I should be up and about it's mild when in fact, like mild COVID can be pretty debilitating.
Kate Spencer: Yeah.
Kate Spencer: that's A really good point.
Doree Shafrir: Just please take it easy because I cannot host this podcast by myself. <laugh>
Kate Spencer: Who would talk about butter and horses and who would
Doree Shafrir: Talk about butts? Honestly,
Kate Spencer: Truly my three favorite things in the world. Well, that's butter and
Doree Shafrir: Horses. Oh my God. I should get you a butter's sculpture of a horse's butt. <laugh> Just cover all the bases,
Kate Spencer: Those sweet flanks or whatever they're called. I forget,
Doree Shafrir: You know, I, I can now tell you, I looked into getting you a butter sculpture of your book,
Kate Spencer: Do Doree. Doree <laugh> what, What,
Doree Shafrir: Yeah,
Kate Spencer: That's amazing.
Doree Shafrir: But you know, it's actually really hard to find people who do butter sculptures you'd think it would be easier,
Kate Spencer: Especially in Los Angeles where you can really get your hands on anything. Yeah. Oh God. I'm dying.
Doree Shafrir: Unfortunately, I was, I was thwarted
Kate Spencer: <laugh> that's hilarious.
Doree Shafrir: In my, in my attempt, excuse me, perhaps someday, maybe by the time, like your fourth book rolls around, I'll figured out how to make butter sculptures myself
Kate Spencer: Yeah. Please get on. Oh my God. You know what? I would love it. If that was your hobby,
Doree Shafrir: I've just taken up butter sculpting.
Kate Spencer: There is a minute at tennis lately. I wonder what's going on? Oh, she's butter sculpting now. Well, listen, I'm excited to discuss the week that you have had because you are also taking care of yourself.
Doree Shafrir: Um, I am so Kate and I were featured on this newsletter called the Nessie recently. Um, that is like all about wellness, very broadly defined. But they, they were like very emphatic that they, that they were not about the sort of like woo woo definition of wellness.
Kate Spencer: <affirmative>, which is always a concern for us, which
Doree Shafrir: Is always a concern. So we were sort of on, we were like on board with that anyway, they were very generous and gave us a thousand dollars each to spend on whatever sort of wellness things we wanted. So one of the wellness things I chose was a 90 minute thai massage At the Raven spa in silver lake, a neighborhood in Los Angeles and thai massages, if you are not familiar, um, they're very intense. Like they, they like walk on you, And they like dig their elbows into you. And it's, it's, it's a much more intense massage than kind of a regular massage, even
Kate Spencer: A deep, a Swedish, if you will,
Doree Shafrir: A Swedish massage. Yes. Even a deep tissue massage pales in comparison to a Thai massage. But anyway, I had not been to the Raven spa since before lockdown. And this was something that I used to do at, I would say probably every two months, if not more frequently before lockdown, like this was a regular part of my selfcare. So it was really nice to go back. And I went yesterday and it was just like, it was so good. I mean, it hurt
Kate Spencer: <laugh>. Yeah.
Doree Shafrir: But like in a good way.
Kate Spencer: Ooh, Ooh, Ooh, Ooh. And it felt like, do, is your body feeling positive?
Doree Shafrir: It is, you know, I had been feeling some like muscle. I'd been feeling like my, my left forearm needed some massaging and I'm still it's feeling better, but I am sort of still feeling that and I'm like, oh God, did I curse myself by saying I had never gotten carpal tunnel. Do I have carpal tunnel? Um, I don't think it is, but I don't, I'm just trying to like stretch and massage. Um, but yes, it, I just, I left there being like,
Kate Spencer: Ah, oh, good.
Doree Shafrir: It was so nice. It was so nice. So yeah. So you can check out the nessie it's at the nessie.com. We'll link to it in the show notes. Yeah.
Kate Spencer: See what we, what we chose. And, um, that was fun. That was fun to do.
Doree Shafrir: Yeah. Um, Kate, you and I disagree about a product,
Kate Spencer: You know? Yeah. But I think it's, I think I have like an issue with all lip products other than Vaseline, basically.
Doree Shafrir: Interesting. So there's
Kate Spencer: Like two products I can use on my lips that don't feel dehydrating.
Doree Shafrir: So we were sent some stuff from that company evolved together, which I think started by making masks.
Kate Spencer: Yeah. I should say I have been wearing their masks for a very long time. I mean, since kind of the beginning of this pandemic and they are, they are, my family's like preferred masks. We all love their, their stuff, them and, and Ks and well before those are our, our three mask makers.
Doree Shafrir: So I guess they've, they've branched out into other products. One of which is a lip Bal
Kate Spencer: They also, I just did wanna flag. They sent us these like reusable, recyclable, plastic bags, like zipper bags, essentially like a Ziploc. And they're great.
Doree Shafrir: Yes.
Kate Spencer: I'm obsessed with them.
Doree Shafrir: Um, we've been using them for some, uh, toy storage.
Kate Spencer: Oh, interesting. Okay.
Doree Shafrir: Like some puzzle pieces.
Kate Spencer: Got it, got it. Oh God.
Doree Shafrir: Um,
Kate Spencer: Nightmare.
Doree Shafrir: Yes. But they, they have this hydrating balm that I really like Kate, Kate claims that it dries her lips out, but I, I really like it.
Kate Spencer: Kate Claims. It's very nice. It's very nice going on. I really liked it going on. And I do, it's in a little cardboard, um, applicator, which is cool. Mm-hmm
Doree Shafrir: <affirmative>
Kate Spencer: And it's also big.
Doree Shafrir: Yeah.
Kate Spencer: Which I think they want you to be able to use it. Like I think you could like technically put it on your cuticles.
Doree Shafrir: Oh yeah, totally. Um, so I'm a fan. It also comes in a cardboard container, which I appreciate.
Kate Spencer: Yes. Um, yeah, I think I just have like a problem. I can basically only use Vaseline or like the Smith's, um, Rosebud salve, Which I think is probably just petroleum. That's like all I can use on my lips, everything else, anytime I get any sort of other nice lip bomb, it always feels like it's drying out my mouth. I dunno. I can't help who i am
Doree Shafrir: I know. I know. So we have different points of view on something that's
Kate Spencer: Okay. That's what makes us friends, frankly.
Doree Shafrir: That's true.
Kate Spencer: Well, um, we wanted to also just share a message we got from a listener before we take a break. They wrote to us,
Listener: am I depressed or am I just living in a post (current?) Pandemic world with women's bodily autonomy under siege and climate catastrophe looming having a really hard time lately. Thanks for being a bright spot in this scary world we're living in.
Kate Spencer: I mean, as previously mentioned on this episode listener, we are right there with you. Mm-hmm
Doree Shafrir: <affirmative>
Kate Spencer: Yeah. Doing this podcast. We are so grateful that people see us as a quote, bright spot. And we like to like, you know, be the space where you can go and just kind of zone out if you will. Yeah. Um, but these are also issues that are really important to both, um, story and me. So we are going to be, um, talking more about, um, bodily autonomy as, as specifically as it relates to abortion access, um, on some episodes coming up or on an episode coming up. Uh, and we agree with you and it's, you know, I do wanna note it's anyone with a uterus.
Doree Shafrir: Yeah. Just to say, we see you. We also, uh, we agree and please donate to abortion funds.
Kate Spencer: And there are so many amazing, uh, groups and organizations doing work in this area, Doree and I ha and the podcast as long supported sister song. Um, so they would be a great spot to go check out immediately in addition to supporting abortion funds. Uh, and we, I think, you know, we will be continuing this conversation cuz it's really important. Mm-hmm <affirmative> to both of us and you know what reproductive care is, fucking self care.
Doree Shafrir: Hell yeah. So
Kate Spencer: We appreciate you asking this question listener, we're gonna take an ad break and then we're going to transition back to the things that hopefully bring you that bright spot feeling, which we, I think both, um, It's an honor to get, to be a bright spot for people. So we're gonna, you know what, we're gonna bring you all sorts of talk that hopefully will feel relaxing.
Doree Shafrir: Mm-hmm <affirmative>
Kate Spencer: So we'll be right back.
Doree Shafrir: All right. BRB. Okay. We are back. We have a text, um, it says.
Listener: 41 year old college professor here in an act of midlife rebellion. I'm seriously considering getting a nostril piercing. Am I too old? Will people judge me or not take me seriously? What do I need to think long and hard about before taking ye old poke would love your insights.
Kate Spencer: You're not too old. You're never too old to do anything. And I would, I would actually wonder or encourage you to like rethink or reframe this. This doesn't seem, I don't think getting a nose, a nostril piercing needs to be, uh, seen as an act of midlife rebellion. It's just you expressing who you are right now.
Doree Shafrir: Yes. I love that.
Kate Spencer: And here is, here's a good question. Will people judge me or not take me seriously? I don't know. I don't know what kind of environment you are working in as a college professor. But my response is like, if that's what they're basing, they're like their like reaction to you on like they're fucking idiots. Mm-hmm <affirmative> you can't worry about you. Can't worry about the, the idiots who are gonna respond to, to, to how You Express yourself that way.
Doree Shafrir: No, I agree with everything Kate has said. I mean, my only thing about knows piercings now that we know about the triangle of death.
Kate Spencer: Oh God. I know. <laugh>
Doree Shafrir: Just something to be aware of. I would go to a, a reputable piercer
Kate Spencer: And take good care of it. Make sure you're taking, you're cleaning the area and following their instructions on how to care for it.
Doree Shafrir: Yeah.
Kate Spencer: And congratulations. That sounds fun.
Doree Shafrir: Yeah, that does sound really fun. Okay. Kate, let us hear a voicemail.
Listener: Hi. And I'm calling from Alabama with a question you as writers and as parents and as lovers of the romance novel genre. Um, I recently discovered that my 12 year old daughter's been reading a lot of romance novels, and there's part of me that thinks, yay. She's reading, that's so fantastic. Um, and then she had asked to me to take her to the bookstore, to a book and it was red, white and Royal blue, which, you know, I discover because of this podcast, I loved that book. Um, but part of me was a little bit like, taken aback like, oh, there's some graphic kind of, you know, sex scenes and some of these books he's interested in and I don't know how comfortable I am with my seventh grader reading that stuff. But another part of me thinks, well, there's worse ways to learn about sex than reading it in a book. Right. So maybe it's okay. Um, and I, I also understand and respect that even though we're really open and we of course have talked about sex and all that kinda stuff, there are certain things that you just don't really wanna talk about with your mom. And I know that part of that goes back to like, you don't wanna picture your parents having sex or like doing any of these ever. Um, they gotta figure it out somehow. So I guess I'm just curious from your perspective, what do you think about seventh graders reading, um, romance novels? Do you, do you put a limit on that? Are there certain ones you would say maybe not that one or, uh, is it just kind of a free for all? All right. Love to hear your thoughts. Thank you,
Doree Shafrir: Kate. I wanna hear your thoughts first as the resident romance novelist on this podcast.
Kate Spencer: I think this is such an interesting question and it's, and I don't know if I have an answer, but I have reflected both as a parent, as a writer, as a reader, and also as a person who was a kid and read very adult books at a young age, I will say one thing that has been interesting in talking to a lot of fellow authors is that they often started reading romance really young. I didn't, I came to it more as an adult. Um, but, and, and the ways in which it shaped them as people and as writers. And it's very beautiful to hear them talk about it. I find it really inspirational. So I personally, I think it's really, I, okay. I think it's really important to be aware of what your kids are consuming and every family's boundaries are going to be different.
Kate Spencer: So I don't think we are in any position to be like, yeah, your kids should read that one specific book or like, no, definitely not. What I think is that, and I, I think you're doing, you sound like such an amazing parent listener. Like you're being really thoughtful. You're seeing it from your kid's perspective and you also have another great thing going for you, which is that you've read the book. So what I think can be really helpful as a parent is if you either read or watch or whatever, the, the media prior, um, or along with your kid. And so then, you know, not only like what they're consuming, but also you can talk to them about it. And I think that can be like my daughter and I are actually reading a book together right now. We like, we don't read it every day, but at night, like we, before bedtime, like she and I sit and we'll like read a chapter and we'll talk about it. It's not an adult book. It's, it's a, you know, book for 11 year olds. Um, but I really like being able to then like talk, you know, to talk to her about it. So I think that is a really smart way of doing it. Um, and I think you make great points. It's a great, it is a good way. It is how we learn about things. Um, and it can be really informative, but I imagine, but it's very different when you're reflecting on your own childhood than when you are a parent.
Doree Shafrir: It's so it's so interesting to hear you talk about this because you, I mean, you are the parent of a child who is almost this age.
Kate Spencer: Yeah.
Doree Shafrir: And so I feel like all of my, sort of I'm like very steeped in toddler culture right now. <laugh>, you know what I mean? So like the question, the, the, my kind of ideas about how to navigate something like this, I feel like are so just like steeped in the eighties.
Kate Spencer: Totally. Like to totally. I get it say, I mean, I get it. Yeah.
Doree Shafrir: Like I'm just like kids have been reading this, like you've said so many romance writers kind of grew up sneaking romance and in my head, I'm like, she's gonna fucking read this stuff. Like whether or not you like allow her to quote unquote. Um, and like, I love Kate's suggestion of reading it with her. I also kind of think maybe don't I think i have to disagree with you. Like 12 is such a, it's such an interesting age. Like sh you know, you're really kind of like becoming a person in a, in a new and different way. And you have you're, you're starting to explore like privacy. Mm-hmm, <affirmative> in a new way.
Kate Spencer: That's a great point Doree.
Doree Shafrir: And so, you know, maybe this is like a thing that she gets to experience alone, like for herself, I think, and again, maybe this is just like the eighties kid in me, but like, I think it's kind of cool to let her like, have this.
Kate Spencer: Yeah. I love that. I think that's a really, um, great perspective.
Doree Shafrir: So I dunno, but it's also like cool to share things with your kids. So like who the fuck knows <laugh>
Kate Spencer: Well, and I think, you know, like again, like who knows what everybody's boundary for, what they let their children consume is gonna be different. I mean, my kids listen to so much music with swear words, and I know other people's parents who don't let them do that, but I like language is not like we talk about it, but that's not something I feel like I need to, um, keep them from, but other people might disagree and that's fine.
Doree Shafrir: Totally.
Kate Spencer: I Think we have to like, let everybody do this their own way.
Doree Shafrir: Yes. I mean, I'm just thinking about sixth grade, which is the year I turned 12. So, you know, actually I was 11 for most of sixth grade. Mm. That was the year I read flowers in the attic. Mm-hmm <affirmative>. That was the, like, I'm just, there was a friend of mine in my class. She was reading like Carrie, the Stephen King
Kate Spencer: I read so much Stephen King when I was that age.
Doree Shafrir: Yeah. And so, you know, I just, I just think it's like 12 year, old's gonna 12 year old and like, they're gonna find shit. And like, that's just a part of being 12
Kate Spencer: Doree. I, uh, like also they, they have access to so much stuff. Like the other day my daughter was like, yes. Oh, this song's from euphoria. And I was like, how do you even know what the fuck euphoria is?
Doree Shafrir: Totally
Kate Spencer: What, like, and I obviously don't, I don't let my kids watch euphoria, but they, they are, they are going to tap into things. Yes. No matter what she hasn't watched for it, but she is aware of that. It's a TV show.
Doree Shafrir: Yes. And you know, I also, on the other hand, like kind of Kate, to your point, I do think they are still figuring out who they are and it can be actually very reassuring for them to feel like there are boundaries and
Kate Spencer: Mm-hmm,
Doree Shafrir: <affirmative>, you know, that their parents are still kind of like protecting them as much as they might chafe against those boundaries. It's very tricky. I think parenting tweens and teens is I, and I'm just thinking <laugh> myself because I was a lot. And, but I do think that like, having, having bound clearly articulated boundaries is, can be really helpful when you are parenting kids this age,
Kate Spencer: Thats such a great point
Doree Shafrir: Which I realized which Goes against, like sort of goes against what I was just saying, but like also kind of doesn't because like,
Kate Spencer: That's how hard this stuff is to nav. I mean, that's, that's really, it's kind of like a case by case basis.
Doree Shafrir: Well, and also, I think it's really important to have the boundaries and know that they, like, they might be violated. Right. But like, your kids need to know that, like you have this boundary because you think that this just isn't appropriate for them. They're not old enough to like, be able to navigate euphoria.
Kate Spencer: Yeah. Or the bachelor, which my 11 year old is desperate to watch.
Doree Shafrir: But like, you know, if she sneaks it at her friend's house and doesn't tell you mm-hmm,
Kate Spencer: <affirmative>, She'll be okay.
Doree Shafrir: That's just, that's just, yeah, she will survive. And like, maybe then she will wanna ask you about it. And then you can have a teachable moment.
Kate Spencer: <laugh> yeah. I mean, and again, we are not experts. We are navigating this shit in our daily lives and parenting. Like, again, I don't, it's hard. So God speed to all of us who are trying to do it.
Doree Shafrir: All right. So Kate, let's take another break.
Kate Spencer: Okay. See you soon. See, on the other side,
Doree Shafrir: All right, here we are. On the other side,
Kate Spencer: Doree, I'm gonna narrate this, uh, imagine me asking this next text message as a listener. Okay. All right.
Listener: Doree, do you ever miss a day of your line of day journal? If so, do you go back and write something I've been doing mine since you spoke about it on the show in early 2020. So I started right before the pandemic and it has been really fascinating looking back also, I'm not a journaler per se, but this has been a perfect way to take a minute and be thoughtful about my day. So thanks for turning me onto it.
Doree Shafrir: Aw, I, yeah, I, you know, I sometimes do think about just the randomness of having started the one line of day journal in December, 2019.
Kate Spencer: That's unreal. Amazing.
Doree Shafrir: It's, it's, it's really weird to like read through all the kind of early,
Kate Spencer: So much
Doree Shafrir: Pandemic day stuff. Um, okay. To answer a question, do I go back and write something? I sometimes do. I have never missed more than a day, so it's not like I'm filling in like a week's worth of stuff.
Kate Spencer: Right.
Doree Shafrir: There have been a couple times. I feel like there have been a couple times where I haven't noticed I've missed a day for like a few days <laugh> and then I'm like, wait a second. That's not today's date. And then I go back and I realize like, oh, I missed a day. And then just like, didn't realize I had missed a day. I also was writing, um, 20, 21 in this year for like a month before I noticed. And then I was like, oh, it's 2022.
Kate Spencer: Oh my gosh. See, I would have to start over. I don't know if I could handle that. Okay. <laugh>
Doree Shafrir: Um, so I have, and then there are other times where I just like exit out and just, you know, that was, I just missed it. Um, I will say I've never like deliberately skipped a day there, but I sometimes like, occasionally there will be days where either like, I'm so tired or, mm. You know, I, I try to do it before I like start reading or do anything else just so I don't forget. But like sometimes if I, if I like start reading or doing a crossword in bed, or sometimes then I will sometimes forget. Um,
Kate Spencer: And you bring it with you, like on trips.
Doree Shafrir: I do. Okay. Yeah. Which, you know, I have also thought about like, is a little nerve wracking because I don't wanna lose it. There's no backup, you know? Ooh. I don't know how I would lose it. Like even on a trip, it just stays on my nightstand. But like, I do tend to forget things. Uh, so I feel like I could, like, there's a world where I like, leave it somewhere. You know what I mean? And that is sort of, that is nerve wracking to me. But like, what am I supposed to do? Like scan every page. Like that's, I don't
Kate Spencer: Know. I don't know what the answer is. It's so analog.
Doree Shafrir: that Seems excessive. Um, I know it's so analog, I guess. Yes. I do take it on trips with me, I guess. I just have to, and, you know, knock on wood so far. Not that I've gone on many trips because it's been the pandemic, but like on the trips I have taken, I have not lost it. I agree. It's like the perfect way to take a minute and be thoughtful. And just like, because there's not enough room to write that much. So you really have to just like pick out one or two things from the day and just kind of write them down. And it is so interesting. Like how much my memory is jogged just by these like little short sentences of things.
Kate Spencer: Mm-hmm <affirmative> God damn it. I Just, you know, one
Doree Shafrir: And I think it's like, it's like the, the thing they say about planting a tree, you know, what's the best time to plant a tree 20 years ago. What's the second best time today, you know? Like it's never, it's never too late. It's never too late to start. Like I thought I was like, Ugh, I should have started this 10 years ago. I'm like, sure. But I'm so glad I started when I did, you know, so Kate, you could start now and trust me three years from now, you will be like, oh my gosh, in 2022, I was just getting over. COVID like,
Kate Spencer: Oh my God. I know
Doree Shafrir: What a wild Time. Like, I don't know. I just think you should. I think you should do it. I think
Kate Spencer: Everyone should have one. I've bought one. I just am like, oh, this is too big. I don't, I can't deal with this. <laugh> God damnit. I dont mean to make this about me? Uh, anyway, thank you for that answer. Do well. Listen, we have one last thing to share from a listener, which I love this suggestion. They wrote.
Listener: If listeners don't wanna buy a product just for puffy eyes, I've had great results with spoons. Just lay them in your eye socket already. Cool. And they cover the whole eye. If they want popping the spoons in the fridge for a few is also nice and refreshing.
Doree Shafrir: Okay.
Kate Spencer: Yeah. This is a great idea. This sounds so nice. I could honestly just go put spoons on my eyes right now.
Doree Shafrir: Mm. It does sound very cooling.
Kate Spencer: Well, this has been a long episode and a lot of fun.
Doree Shafrir: Yes, I agree. It's great to see you. You, I know you're not feeling a hundred percent, but you sound a lot better.
Kate Spencer: I, I feel better. I do feel a lot better. So thank you very much for acknowledging that. I appreciate it.
Doree Shafrir: Right. Everyone. We'll talk to you soon.