Mini-Ep 296: Grab Those Cheeks
Kate enjoys a new smoothie and Doree realizes that her newsletter has become her new writing practice. Then, listeners send in their thoughts about thongs, nap appreciation, and creative boundaries.
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Transcript
Kate: Hello, welcome to forever 35, a podcast about the things we do to take care of ourselves. I'm Kate Spencer,
Doree: And I am Doree Shafrir
Kate: And we are not expert.
Doree: We are not, but we are two friends who like to talk a lot about serums.
Kate: And this is a mini episode where we hear from you. We share your comments and thoughts, and we answer your questions to the best of our ability.
Doree: It's true, but please do remember we are podcast hosts, not experts. We always encourage you to seek support first and foremost, from a medical and or mental health professional as needed
Kate: Doree. I'm sorry. I took a sip of my smoothie, which I'm going to talk about in a minute. Cause I have a new, I have a good new smoothie episode. If you wanna discuss this me gulping smoothie on the air, please reach out to us our voicemail number and our text message number is 7 8 1 5 9 1 0 3 9 0. Or you can email us at forever 35 podcast, gmail.com
Doree: And you can visit our website forever 35 podcast.com for links to everything we mentioned on the show. Follow us on Twitter at 35 pod on Instagram five podcast. Join the forever 35 Facebook group at facebook.com/groups/forever 35 podcast. The password over there is serums and you can sign up for our newsletter@foreverthirtyfivepodcast.com slash newsletter. There's a new issue going out on Thursday. Oh, hold onto your butts.
Kate: Grab those cheeks,
Doree: Grab those cheeks,
Kate: Give them a squeeze for us too. Give your butt some. Wow. You really,
Doree: You really took that to a place, a different place.
Kate: I overslept this morning and my alarm just weren't set correctly. And that is not the tone for the whole rest of the day. So far. Like I'm just kind of in this strange sleep hungover,
Speaker 3: Uh,
Kate: Weird space. I don't know, hate
Doree: That,
Kate: You know, that feeling where you're like the day starts off weird. And then for the rest of the day, you're like you're operating. Yes,
Doree: Totally.
Kate: Yes. So that's where I'm at. So that's why I apologize for drinking my smoothie into the microphone. I just, you know, sometimes I forget again that this is a professional operation and I need to really wake up and, you know, smell the coffee here.
Doree: How, how is your coffee drinking lately?
Kate: Oh, it's, it's a full on. It's a, I don't mean I don't wanna use the term addiction in a, you know, a mocking like a, I don't wanna trivialize the word addiction or what that means, but it's, I am full on. I can't exist without coffee slash like, I start to panic if I'm ever in a situation where I'm not gonna be able to have it immediately in the morning. I know other people out there feel me on this.
Doree: I mean, I feel you on this. Um, Henry likes to make my coffee.
Kate: You've shown me photos of this,
Doree: Uh, um, which is like just adorable. We have a Curig, which like I know is not the most, uh, environmentally, uh, conscious choice. So I just wanna preface that by saying I'm aware I'm not perfect. Okay. Let's just get that out in the open. Wow. Shocking
Kate: Breaking news,
Doree: Breaking news. Um, but Henry makes me coffee and it's like, really? It's like, it's extremely sweet. I have to say,
Kate: Well, does he comprehend what he is giving to you? Like does he ever try to like slur bit down?
Doree: No, he doesn't also because I have like, I've been really kind of firm about, you know, coffee's very hot. It's not safe for you to, you know, take, even take the cup off of the coffee maker. Like, you know what I mean? So, and also like, I feel like the smell is probably not that exciting for him as a, almost three year old. You know what I mean? Like coffee is like, I don't know. As like, as a toddler, you think that smells
Kate: Good? I don't, I have one kid who's like been trying to drink it since the day she was born. And another one who's like, oh, interesting. Get it away. But it's, it is, it's like when you would like, your parents would drink a beer or something and you'd be like, what is this disgusting? Yes. Monstrosity. And then, you know, later on, yeah, well, I I'm traveling and I had to figure out where I was staying. And like a lot of my hotel consideration was like deeply. If I could get coffee, like in the lobby instantly, like a lot of places will offer that. And I'm like genuinely apprehensive about the fact that the hotel I'm staying at doesn't have that.
Doree: Do they have coffee in the rooms?
Kate: I can't do a Keurig and a creamer cup, Doree. I'm very particular now about my coffee. So
Doree: I, I hear you. I hear you.
Kate: We're gonna seek out like local coffee shops. I'll be staying in like the lower east side of Manhattan. So I feel like it's gonna be fine. Like I'll be able to find coffee, but I have to like move my body without it. And that's very hard for me.
Doree: Yeah. I hear you. But you know, you'll be in New York, so there's gonna be coffee. Like literally the second you step outside of the,
Kate: Yeah. I mean, one thing I will say that has been illuminating in, in talking to my psychiatrist a lot about this is like, I definitely use coffee to self medicate as a stimulant, as I deepen my ADHD understanding and medicate myself for it. The coffee serves as a stimulant in a lot of ways. And so that understanding my brain and stuff has been kind of an interesting twist on this whole thing. Mm. Any hoots, I am drinking this smoothie, which I did just wanna give a shout out. Of course, I found this recipe online and then I can't figure out where I got, but let me just give you a, a quick recipe rundown, because this has been a real treat for me this week. Is that okay if I just share it real,
Doree: Please?
Kate: Okay. You're gonna want frozen mango one to two cups. This is a very like fruit heavy smoothie. I throw in a whole Orange peeled, obviously, uh, kale and spinach, and then some almond milk. And I like to toss in some like vanilla and Stevia for some flavor and sweetness. And I put in some vital proteins, collagen powder, and then I mix that right up. And that is a very tasty morning smoothie. I love a, I like a smoothie. I find them refreshing when it's warm outside. I like getting my vegetables in because I do try to get myself some servings at vegetables every day. I, I, and they're just, it's just a, this one feels kind of just like a nice beachy drink. So they're you go? I found this on a website. I can't take credit for it, but I cannot find where I, I can't find the link anymore. So I will just assume ownership of this recipe, but please know I did not create it.
Doree: Um, well, I'm excited for you.
Kate: It's really good. And you're not a smoothie drinker really? Are you,
Doree: You know, I like a smoothie. Um, but it's like a lot to me, it just feels like a lot of like labor
Doree: And a lot of, and like cleanup the cleanup I find annoying. Um, and I, yeah, I, yeah, I think, I feel like the, the, the investment payoff ratio for me personally is off, which partly was why I liked our old sponsor daily harvest, because they just give you like a smoothie and a cup and you're just sort of like, okay, let's do it. Um, so yeah, if someone like handed me a smoothie, I would be like, Ooh, yeah, I'm a smoothie. Delicious. But I don't wanna go through the process of making one. That's just, that's just who I am, Kate. Well,
Kate: But I hear there's a solution that I'm not sure you're aware of yet, which is to teach Henry how to make the, a smooth, so that along with your coffee, we can put him to work over with the
Doree: Blender. Oh, I mean exactly
Kate: Where a three year old you,
Doree: You joke, but he like fully would I just, you know, I don't think he's quite ready to operate a VIX, but soon maybe when he's four.
Kate: Yeah. Let's let him turn three and then we'll figure this out.
Doree: Yeah. Yep, yep. Yeah.
Kate: Anyway, Darren, what's going on?
Doree: Well, I'm excited for you.
Kate: Thank you. I appreciate your support. Uh, thank you for bearing with me as I kind of fumble my way through this day. Um, I will try my best to awaken, um, but fill me in on what's going on over the cause you, I haven't chatted in a while. I
Doree: Know. Uh, well, you know, as you know, I have a newsletter now called now we're talking,
Kate: Which is quite honestly how you like to say that phrase in spoken conversation. Not on the air, Matt.
Doree: Yeah. Whenever I mention it on excellent adventure, Matt makes me re-say it in that manner. Now we're talking,
Kate: You sound like a Jesse, Sally, Jesse, Rafael kind of like eighties. Oh,
Doree: I need big glasses
Kate: Show host or like Jenny, who's the Jenny.
Doree: You can Al you can also, here's another, like, way to say it. You can also say, now we're talking
Kate: That just turned very like sexy.
Doree: Oh, well, I didn't mean it that way. I meant it more like conspiratorial,
Kate: You know what I into it. Okay. Got it. Got it. Now, now
Doree: We're talking. So you've been,
Kate: You've been putting a lot of work into this baby.
Doree: I have been. Thank you, Kate. Thank you for seeing me and seeing my lady. Um, yeah, it has been a decent amount of work, but it's been very rewarding in ways that I think I was not like fully anticipating one of which is like, kind of getting me into a scheduled. It is like a writing practice. Yeah. It's, it's just not, it's not what I would've thought of as a quote unquote writing practice, but it is,
Kate: But it counts,
Doree: But it counts. And I think that getting into this regular writing zone, I think has like dislodged some other creative juices in my brain
Kate: Because is it leading to other inspo?
Doree: Yes. And I just put that together. And so, I don't know. It's just the, it's just an observation. I'm, I'm just, and I'm just going with it.
Kate: Interesting. I think that's great. I mean, we put so, and I think we, we hear from listeners about their own creative practices and I think we put so much pressure on ourselves to create and to make. And when we don't kind of feel direction in one area, it can just, it can feel, I don't know, not shameful, but like, there's something wrong with us. And I do love the idea that other creativity then spawns more creativity.
Kate: Um, I've been kind of like loosely following along with, um, past forever 35 guests, Sulieka Jouad who is doing like a 100 days of creativity on her Instagram.
Doree: Mm.
Kate: And, and she has really been sharing a lot of her creative she's currently in the hospital and has been painting and just kind of really like sharing, you know, she's a right. I always think of her as a writer, but she's been sharing, sharing her visual art, and that's been really moving because I also think sometimes we pigeonhole ourselves a little bit with what we allow ourselves to do creatively. So I am, I am intrigued by this for you. Yeah. And I want to know, I want to know what the other thing is that it has kind of inspired.
Doree: Well, you know, I think I had talked on this podcast about feeling sort of stuck on this book idea that I had,
Kate: The one that you and I I've talked about.
Doree: Yes.
Kate: Okay. Very excited. Okay.
Doree: Um, I've given myself permission to move on from that manuscript.
Kate: Good for you. Good for you.
Doree: I've I've come to the conclusion that, that you script and that story, it was just, it was not serving me. I was not excited about it. And I have another idea now that I feel like is like much more kind of where I'm at. So it's just been, it's been interesting to kind of like roll with that. Well,
Kate: Thank you newsletter.
Doree: Thanks newsletter. Now we're talking
Kate: Slash now we're creating
Doree: Am I right?
Kate: Now we're writing.
Kate: I mean, that is what big magic by Elizabeth Gilbert is really about out. And I think that's such,
Doree: I should reread that Book.
Kate: I, you know, I should, I actually should too. It's such a fantastic book about creativity and she really talks about like, letting ideas go, like putting them away and putting
Doree: Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. I forgot about that part of that book, but yes, you're so right. Um, yeah, it's, it, it felt very freeing to just be like, I don't wanna work on this anymore and it's not because I'm a quitter or I like, I bail when things get hard. It's not like I don't want, I don't wanna write this anymore. And I have another idea,
Kate: Well, this is something I wanna talk about at a later date, because I was actually thinking about it this morning is just how we are conditioned that the quitting is bad. Yes. And when actually it's can often be the thing that really serves us totally. And, and trying to teach my kids that it's okay to quit things. Yeah. And that it doesn't meet. Like, and so I just, I
Doree: It's hard. And it's like all tied up with perfectionism and expecting,
Kate: Expectations
Doree: Expectations. It's very complicated. I mean, I actually think like we, we got into some of this in like a roundabout way in our conversation with last week's guest. Um, and yeah, I mean, the other thing that I will say is in my news letter, when will this be airing this be on Monday in my newsletter last week. Um, you know, every, every Tuesday, my newsletter, I do a day in the life. And last week more the author Powell of forever35, um, Maureen Goo did a day in the life, her day in the life. And one thing that like really inspired me about what she wrote is she wrote about how she has a regular, um, like IL writing group, not one where they like exchange work. They just go to this one woman's house. Like every Wednesday, she always like has cake for them. Um, there's like a group of them and they just do work together. Oh. And I was like, heaven, you know what? I want that I don't wanna join her group to be clear, but I, I want that. And I want it regularly. I'm very into, I think I'm now getting more, um, I'm seeing the power of the routine.
Kate: Are you also craving community
Doree: And I'm craving community.
Kate: Well, I would meet once a week to write if you wanna talk about this off the air, but also I'm all also happy setting boundaries where we don't do that. If that's more preferred for you.
Doree: Wow. Kate, that is very mature of you to say, I mean, I would love to do it with you. Um, just, you know, just saying, right. Um,
Kate: Get that going.
Doree: But if we do it at your house, you're gonna have to make a cake every time. So, you know, if that is something that you wanna take on, I mean, great. But
Kate: You've been around me long enough to know that I don't make cakes. I will buy the cake.
Doree: Well you're gonna have to learn. I mean, that's just, just,
Kate: Its I won't get any writing done. I'll just be baking and learning.
Doree: It'll this be like shame spiral
Kate: Doree's waiting for her cake. I've gotta get the cake done.
Doree: I'll be like, where's my cake.
Kate: Uh let's let's talk about this, this craving routine or understanding routine more because I, I would actually love to discuss this and like hilariously, I just downloaded a course, uh, called workflow, time management and productivity for creatives by Lisa Congdon. Who's an artist and creative. Yeah.
Doree: I like her stuff.
Kate: So clearly that's on my brain as well. So let's discuss,
Doree: Let's talk offline as we say. Um, okay, well let us take a break because we have some listeners to get to.
Kate: Oh, we've got some interesting questions,
Doree: Indeed. All right. Be right back.
Kate: Well, Doree, this Listener very, very much asked a question, not knowing that we were gonna kind of go off on this tangent, but it really kind of relates.
Kate: They emailed us and said,
Email: Hi, Kate and Doree. I was listening to the March 21st mini episode and the listener who called in about their creative practice. Got me thinking, have you discussed deadline lines as selfcare yet? I know deadlines are usually seen as a negative, but in my own life, most of my forward progress has been motivated by some sort of hard deadline from having to choose a major in college, applying for jobs, running a 5k, making creative projects. Cetera. I work as a motion graphics designer, but I also my own short animated films. I've been in a rut lately with my personal creative practice. And I think the main reason is that I don't have a deadline. I wonder if this resonates with other people and my experience is easier to train for a race when you have a race day set in your calendar and it's easier to stay dedicated to a personal project. When you have a film festival deadline due date for a book expected, new newsletter release, et cetera, to either of you use deadlines to help your creative practices. Would you be just as productive without a deadline? What are your thoughts on this?
Doree: So this is interesting, especially in light of our conversation, as you just said, um, I am of the belief that any sort of constraint is good for creativity. So whether that is a deadline or routine or, you know, having to write, uh, a thousand words or having to write a, on a certain subject or, you know what I mean? Like I think any sort of governance you can give your creativity helps
Kate: Governance of your creativity. Wow.
Doree: Creativity, governance, Boundaries. I guess
Kate: I love this. Okay.
Doree: I mean, you and I have discussed, like I have told you how so. I always feel so overwhelmed when people are like, you can just write whatever,
Kate: Right? You need some direction, you
Doree: Need some direction. Like I've had jobs where they've hired me to be like a features writer, which is like amazing. But then you're like, wait, so my beat is like everything.
Kate: And when you can choose from everything, it's like, you don't know, you don't have anything almost, you know exactly
Doree: It's everything and nothing.
Kate: Yes. That's the, that's the phrase.
Doree: Um, so yeah, so I feel like for this listener, maybe the deadline is the constraint that they need to produce, whatever creative endeavor they, you know, they pursue,
Kate: I love a deadline, but I actually wanted to recommend to this listener or anyone who's listening. If you haven't listened to our conversation with Gretchen Rubin, she was a guest on the podcast, I think pre pandemic at this point. So Gretchen Rubin talks about what she calls the four tendencies, which is kind of just a way of dividing up people's personalities and behaviors. And the, the way that mine works is that if I am, I, I only will like honor a deadline. If I, if someone else, if I'm like someone else is involved and someone else is holding me accountable, or like I'm accountable to another person. If I just set a deadline for myself, I will trot right through that deadline without finishing it. So for, I can relate to a lot of what this listener's saying, because like, yeah, you have to show, like, if you sign up for a race, like, you know, it's gonna be there and you know, it's gonna exist rather than if you say like by March 10th, I'm gonna be able to run three miles.
Doree: Totally.
Kate: So I, I found the four tendencies to be incredibly helpful in understanding what worked for my brain. I'm an obliger. That's what I'm called the obliger. Well, I would love to hear from more people about deadlines, especially outside of like creativity, you know, like, yeah,
Doree: Totally.
Kate: We talk about them as a lot as writers, but that's just what we do. Other people use deadlines in all sorts of ways. Yeah. You wanna write this?
Doree: I would love to.
Text: Hoping this is still a text number for forever35
Kate: Oh, it sure is.
Text: Hello. My name is Kate and I have a daughter in kindergarten. I am a feminist, the breadwinner in my family. And I, and believe that girls need strong, independent role models to counteract systemic with misogyny in our culture. I am struggling though with how prevalent heterosexual stereotypes are. Even in kindergarten, she comes home talking about loving boys, having crushes and wanting boys attention. Does Kate or members of the community have suggestions on what to say to this? How can I discourage this kind of singular focus on capturing the hearts of boys?
Kate: Oh God, this is a complex Question.
Doree: I'm curious to hear your thoughts. I have thoughts, but I do not have a child who has gone through kindergarten yet. So I'm curious to hear if they will dovetail with yours.
Kate: I don't know if I have an answer because the, they are, this listener is correct. I think that heterosexual stereotypes are prevalent. They're prevalent from the day a, a person is born, um, and it is ingrained. So I, my thought is you, you ha personally is making peace with the fact that this is systemic and that what we can do as parents is model behavior, openly talk with our children and also accept that they are going to be on their own journeys and be experiencing things, whether we, you want them to or not. And that is what I have found to be one of the hardest parts of parenting. Um, and I can say as a parent with slightly older elementary school age kids, again, I'm raising them in Los Angeles, California. It's, I mean, there's 8 million factors that go into my children's life experiences. Right. Um, but I, I do find them to be much more aware of, uh, sexism, heteronormative influences, um, you know, gendering and how prevalent it is and not, and they don't, they are like much more open about things like honoring people's pronouns. It's like modeling, communicating, and also letting go,
Kate: You know? And I would say like, perhaps sh that your kid is coming home talking about like having crushes and like, it that's just how she feels. And it's not like being put upon her by society or, or could also be. But like they, I had crushes, I had crushes on boys in first grade. I had a whole fantasy where I was babysitting and then there was a fire and my crush came and rescued me. And then we kissed on the steps of the house. Again, I was six. Um, but that's what was going on in my brain. I dunno, Doree, I'm gonna pass the mic.
Doree: Okay. Um, I mean, I agree with everything you're saying, um, I think your response to things like this can literally just be you like, oh,
Doree: Like the end, like, oh, okay. You know? Cause I think that when you start, you know, we are coming as Kate, I think you alluded to like, we are coming to this with all of our own kind of baggage. Yeah. And you know, like you said, you, you want, you don't want her to be kind of boy crazy for lack of a better term at this, especially at this young age and kind of feel like she's already like, thinking about the male gaze and all this stuff, but I think like you said, Kate, she's also on her own journey. And so I think the, the best you can do as a parent is to just listen and just, you know, she also, I think it's great. She wants to share this with you.
Kate: Yeah. That's a lovely sign,
Doree: You know, I think that's really like, she trusts you and she's excited and she wants to share something that she's excited about. Um, and so, you know, I think you can just kind of listen and just say, oh, like you could say, tell me about him. I don't think it needs to be, you know, bigger than that, because I think when you make it be than that, then it becomes right now it becomes a sort of, uh, it, it snowballs. Um, and you know, maybe, maybe she'll have crushes on girls. Like, you know what I mean? Like they're so young and like, they're kind of just figuring out what these words mean. And yeah. So I don't know. It's
Kate: Also with kids are like, they don't know what they don't know, which is a yes, exactly. A phrase. Like that's taken me a while to understand, but it's like, they don't yet understand the world that we are living in and all these societal pressures and, you know, I mean, we could go on and on, they don't know it yet. So we are we're I have sat there with my kids, like grew ripping the table as they talk about something being like, oh my God, this is terrible. But then it's just kind of like, they just move on from it. And, but what I'm bringing to it is, you know, 42 years of right. Yeah. Lots of fun stuff. So yeah. I just think like you're obviously a loving parent and I think you're think your worries are valid. I, we get it. I get it as a, uh, fellow feminist mom. It's, uh, it's intense out there. You know, I have to get a target and look at heartbreaker. T-shirts on
Doree: Boys. Yeah. And like, I mean, Kate, you said this, I think in the very beginning of, of your response, but I think the modeling is just so important. Yeah. Like they really do pick up on
Kate: Everything. Oh God. They do. They do. I am really known in my family as the person who swears, Oh, that's funny. It's like, I don't even hide it anymore. Uh, anyway, again, we love hearing thoughts from people. So please, you know, oftentimes we never think of everything in right responses. So please fill in the holes for us.
Doree: Yeah.
Kate: All right. Quickly, Doree, we just got a few text messages about naps that I just wanted to kind of run through and great share with people. All right. I'll take the first one.
Text: All hail naps. I nap every day for 20 minutes. Thank you. Work from home. And now that I'm pregnant a little longer fashion guru, Tan France swears by the 20 minute nap a day. I agree. Naps forever, but mask never.
Text: Um, re:naps. I take a nap almost every day. It started after COVID hit. And I started working from home and never left the house. It kind of took the place of an afternoon commute. And now my body is like, it's four o'clock. Why are you awake? But my nearly daily nap feels so good and so necessary. But also when I don't nap, my day feels a billion times longer. Cuz my naps are like two hours long. We place so much moral value on being awake and waking up early, et cetera, et cetera. And listen, I just don't care about anything anymore. I'm gonna go to bed.
Kate: Amen. All right. This listener says.
Text: I'm Indian and lived in China for a hot minute. And when I realize everyone naps, other than the us, it was super validating.
Doree: I love that.
Kate: Gosh, definitely feel like most of the time I have my American blinders on and I don't realize.
Doree: oh for sure.
Kate: You know?
Doree: Yep.
Kate: All right, well let's take a break and when we come back, we're gonna switch gears.
Doree: All right. We'll be right back. All right. We are back with Some voicemails to end things on this podcast. All right.
Voicemail: Hey Kat and Dor it's Julie your NorCal correspondent. And I'm calling in, um, with an unpopular, possibly dissenting opinion that the thong is self care for me. It's my personal butt care. And the reason why is because one, I wear super comfortable thongs that always move with me and they are the seamless ones. You can't have any sort of elastic band because yeah, that's gonna hurt your crotch. And it's gonna give you camel-toe. You need a seamless one. And the why I prefer a thong is because as a former gymnast dancer, et cetera, I there's a second in where I'm not lifting up my leg or popping my hip. Oh, cause I'm 40 now. And that hip pop feels so good. You know, I I'm, I'm dramatic. I'm moving I'm grooving and I've got a butt. Okay. And if I wear normal underwear, that thing rides up and that is painful when you get that creep, that crawl up the ass. There's nothing worse. And so it's like if I'm of crawling up my ass, I might as well have a little tiny bit of seamless material just wedged up there anyway. Anyway. Yes. But care is self care and this booty loves the thong.
Kate: Well, that was a definitive answer.
Doree: Wow. I'm I'm still processing this.
Kate: I have to say one of the things that stood out for me, which I definitely bring my own butt bias to this conversation is that I have like a very flat underwhelming ass. So,
Doree: mm. Same, same,
Kate: right. Like when I was in college guys in my dorm told me I had a pancake as okay.
Doree: Wow. That is,
Kate: talk about, talk about, uh, heteronormative, uh, stereotypes and uh, the nineties.
Doree: Oh my gosh.
Kate: I think we were like all friends and it was like a joke, but it has stuck with me.
Doree: Yeah.
Kate: So I, I don't have any sort of booty situation. It's not, there's nothing popping off behind my butt, my back.
Doree: Okay. Well we have along the same lines. We have one more voicemail.
Voicemail: Hey, Kate and Doree. Um, I called him before about this exact issue, but I feel necessary that it's necessary to do again after listening to the most recent mini episode, um, to answer doree's question about who finds thongs more comfortable? The answer is anyone with small-ish waist and bigger fuller, let's say fuller cheeks. Um, a typical underwear rides up into, oh my God. I guess everyone's like saying this to another person, you know, brides up into the crack and at least with a thong it's like less material there anyways. There's my, um, input and yeah. Thank you so much for, um, really bringing some light to the important issues out there. Right? Bye.
Doree: That's us bringing light to the important issues out there. Yeah. We're shining. We're shining light in the cracks,
Kate: oh my God. Doree. See, that was a good, that was a good word play.
Doree: Was it though?
Kate: Yes, it was.
Doree: Oh God.
Kate: And also like I do just wanna say, I'm gonna go on little. I am proud. I am proud of this community that we've, that we have, you know, helped to create that people do feel comfortable leaving us voicemails about stuff like this, cuz that you could, that listen was like. Should I say this? Like it feels weird. Yeah, totally. It does feel weird to talk about this stuff cuz we've been conditioned never to discuss it, but the more we talk about our butt cracks, the more we're gonna understand each other.
Doree: Amen.
Kate: Oh my God. The fact that this is a permanent record of, what we think
Doree: It's a permanent record of something
Kate: Of you ever think about that. It's gonna exist in perpetuity are these, these recordings. So gotta stand by these words, boy.
Doree: Well
Kate: Though. Thank you. Thank you listeners. On the other side of the thong spectrum for weighing in.
Doree: Yes. All, all thongs are welcome here.
Kate: All right. Well, all right. Thank you all. Thank you Doree.
Doree: Thank you Kate. Bye.