Mini-Ep 278: Romancing The Self
Kate self-medicates with skincare shopping and Doree has an update on the Full Body Float. Then, listeners share prod recs and Valentine’s love, ask if the price-saving deals of CVS products are worth it, and wonder about shoe-free home etiquette.
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Kate Spencer: Hello, and welcome to the forever 35 podcast. A podcast about the things we do to take care of ourselves. I am Kate Spencer
Doree Shafrir: I'm Doree Shafrir
Kate Spencer: And we are not experts.
Doree Shafrir: No, but we are two friends who like to talk a lot about serums.
Kate Spencer: And this is a mini episode where we hear from you. We share your comments and your thoughts, and we answer your questions to the best of our ability.
Doree Shafrir: It's true, Kate. But please remember we are a podcast host, not experts, and we always encourage you to seek support first and foremost, from a medical and or mental health professional as needed.
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Kate Spencer: And friendly reminder. I will be promoting my new book in a New York minute all month. Bear with me as I tell you about it over and over again, but you can. Pre-order signed personalized copies of the book from Vromans or the ripped bodice, and you can also come see me live in Los Angeles on March 12th at the ripped bodice and links to those things are all in our show notes,
Doree Shafrir: Indeed, and I will be there
Kate Spencer: And you can meet Doree
Doree Shafrir: Most importantly.
Kate Spencer: I mean, truly, honestly, let's be real here. Most importantly, Doree will be present. What will Doree be wearing most? what shoes will Doree have on. I hope they're the cute black combat boots that you bought recently. They're such cute boots. I love those boots.
Doree Shafrir: Thank you, Kate. What are you you gonna be wearing?
Kate Spencer: Oh my gosh. We talk about this for a second because I have been trying not to buy new clothes.
Doree Shafrir: Okay. Okay. Okay.
Kate Spencer: I've only trying to buy a second hand, but oftentimes like the way I buy second hand is via posh mark, where you can't return stuff. And for something like a book event, you know, I wanna, I wanna like try on a million things. And I, I actually, what I am trying to get comfortable with is shopping my own closet and not feeling like I have to buy something new to wear to this event. And that's very hard for me for some reason, like anytime there's a special occasion, I think I must get a new thing. Like what I have is not good enough, but I, mm I'm. So I'm trying to convince myself that what I have is fine and I can just pick from there, but I haven't quite succeeded in convincing myself of that yet.
Doree Shafrir: Well, Kate, I will say the dress you're wearing today is very becoming
Kate Spencer: Thank you. This, I actually bought poshmark Or no, I bought this on the real reel. This is secondhand. This is a Natalie Martin dress that I purchased secondhand, but I still am like self-medicating with the, on the secondhand shopping, like don't doubt that I am on Poshmark 24 7, trying to get a good deal on some soba shoe, which I did, which I did.
Doree Shafrir: Oh, well look at you. It looks, sounds like you've been successful.
Kate Spencer: They're very cute. Is it Saba? I think that's what they're called. Hold on. Let me make sure I'm getting the name of the shoe, right? Because Caroline MOS is a huge fan. And um, I might be saying this completely wrong, but I did buy some shoes. Oh yeah, no Saba S a B a H. Yep. I got a nice cheapo secondhand pair on a Poshmark for like 65 bucks, not cheapo, but cheaper than what they cost Normally
Doree Shafrir: That's so fun.
Kate Spencer: It is. It is. I'm enjoying the chase of the online secondhand shopping. Like there's, it's a little bit more of a hunt, you know, And then it's satisfying because then you're getting it at a reduced rate. So you're like you worked harder and the payoff feels bigger, but I'm still spending money. So I don't know.
Doree Shafrir: I think, I do think also that second hand shopping makes you more intentional about what you're buying, because
Kate Spencer: That's definitely true.
Doree Shafrir: I think there is kind of less, there tends, at least for me, there tends to be less sort of like general browsing. You know what I mean? Instead of going to like madewell.com and just seeing like what's new,
Kate Spencer: Add to that cart, right.
Doree Shafrir: You're usually searching for like a specific, you know, designer and style and size and yeah. So like you said, that makes the finding of it so much more satisfying, but I think it's also nice to not just feel like you're sort of like just buying Willy nilly if you will.
Kate Spencer: Well, the problem is Doree, you know, I've, I've kind of set this intention for the year of only shopping second for secondhand clothing, other than like essentials, like underpants and workout clothes. But I didn't apply that to skincare. And so what I have done is I have channeled all that energy into, um, accumulating more skincare products. And I wanted to introduce you to some new friends. I actually brought them to my desk today. I just thought you might wanna meet them. This is, is my,
Doree Shafrir: This Is a surprise.
Kate Spencer: This Is a surprise. I didn't put this in the show notes, but these arrived yesterday and I'm like, I should introduce these to Doree. They need to get to know her. This is my sacred, sacred rose mist from sacred ritual beauty. It's a very nice, fine mist. And then look at this, my sacred serum, look at that.
Doree Shafrir: Whoa, that does look sacred.
Kate Spencer: And I should tell you how I found out about this skincare is in a, in a secondhand Facebook group. I'm in someone like offhandedly remarked about how much they liked it. And then I immediately was like, well, that's enough for me and just went and got it. Not the best, not the best road to travel.
Doree Shafrir: Well, you know what? Sometimes you do what you gotta do.
Kate Spencer: I did it. So I use this today. It's a very, it has, um, a lot of C B D in it, this oil. So I'm testing out the world of C B D skincare oil. Yep, yep, yep, yep. Yep. So let's see, we'll see what happens with my sacred serums and my sacred rose Mist
Doree Shafrir: Okay.
Kate Spencer: 777 milligrams of organic hex.
Doree Shafrir: Oh my God. I thought you were going to say something about $700. And I was like, oh God, Kate.
New Speaker: No.
Doree Shafrir: Wow. You really are. Self-medicating
Kate Spencer: $777 for the, I mean, it's, wasn't cheap for the pair it was about $150 for this duo. So, you know, it's not like, um, you know, it's not chump change. Is that a thing people say, but no, I, I haven't gotten to the $700 skincare level of panic, um, shopping that's that's that's that must exist though. There must be skincare products for $700. Right?
Doree Shafrir: Sure. There are. Um, wow. Well, you know what kind of a Valentine's present Valentine's day present to yourself?
Kate Spencer: Good idea. Well, you had a romantic evening with yourself in the BA in the bathtub. I mean, was that Bad segueing? I mean you romanced yourself
Doree Shafrir: Well I Was just gonna say that this episode is coming out on Valentine's day.
Kate Spencer: That's right. That's right.
Doree Shafrir: Which, you know, we know is pretty much a commercially constructed holiday, but I feel like it's still nice to just sort of note, um, and you know, celebrating Valentine's day can come in all, all shapes and sizes.
Kate Spencer: Amen.
Doree Shafrir: It's Not just have to be a about, you know, a romantic partner, like Kate said, it can be about yourself,
Doree Shafrir: Romancing yourself,
Kate Spencer: Yourself, whatever that means.
Kate Spencer: Let the right. Right. I'm not just saying like masturbating, I mean like taking care of yourself, But like, it can Mean all those things.
Doree Shafrir: If you wanna. That's fine too.
New Speaker: That's A very great Valentine's day.
Doree Shafrir: So on the last episode, I said that I had purchased this new bath, these new bath items from a company called a hundred senses because I was successfully targeted on Facebook. I'm just gonna own that. And I bought something called the full body float duo, which is basically like a neck and head pillow and then like a knee bolster for the bath. And you have to inflate it very easy to inflate. And then you just put 'em in the bath. And I gotta say it was pretty relaxing. My bathtub is, is not a great bathtub. There's not like a lot of, um, like edge. So I was never able to really successful. Like I never normal bath pillows didn't really seem to work. Um, and so I thought this was clever that it's like actually kind of a neck pillow.
Kate Spencer: So Set the scene, you get into the water and were these tools already in there or did you like hoist them in and then tucked them under your legs in your head?
Doree Shafrir: Um, I put them in the bath and then I got in and then I just, okay. Yeah, kind of, I mean the, the neck and head pillow, you literally, it's a neck pillow. It's like, you know, right. Okay. You were on an airplane, like you just put it on your neck, but then there's a little extra cushion your head. So you head lean
Kate Spencer: In the water, like you're floating your head, Right? Or is It on the actual, like you line of the, the top?
Doree Shafrir: Yeah. You're kind of leaning against the edge of the top,
Kate Spencer: But then your legs are floating.
Doree Shafrir: Yeah. Your legs are, your knees are on top of this bolster. And then, you know, if I, if my tub were longer, I think it would be even better, but my legs kind of touched the edge of the tub, which was fine. But, um, you know, I, I, I wasn't fully floating per se because my tub is kind of small, but yeah, it was very relaxing. So I just,
Kate Spencer: That was very cool.
Doree Shafrir: Laid there for a while.
Kate Spencer: Did you read, or did you just kind of Bob?
Doree Shafrir: No, I just, I just sort of floated, I, I closed my eyes.
Kate Spencer: Can I ask a question about the floating? So if your head is in this pillow that is like against the wall, the back wall of your tub, your back and your chest and your arms, are they floating or are they like, is your butt touching the bottom of the tub and then.
Doree Shafrir: your butt is on the bottom of the tub.
Kate Spencer: Okay. Got it. I think I imagined this as a full float.
Doree Shafrir: Oh, I see. I see. I see why
Kate Spencer: You like a zero gravity float. Yeah,
Doree Shafrir: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, maybe it could, again, maybe it could be, if your tub were bigger
Kate Spencer: Yeah. Or you brought this in your pool
Doree Shafrir: Or you, I don't, I don't think, I don't know if it would work in a pool to be honest.
Kate Spencer: Okay. All right. I've got my hopes up.
Doree Shafrir: So, um, yeah. I feel like with a pool you're better off with just like a regular pool float.
Kate Spencer: Sure. That makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. That does make a lot of Sense.
Doree Shafrir: Um, but yeah. But yeah, I, I, I really, um, enjoyed it and plan on using it again,
Kate Spencer: Doree. I, I love that. It just got you in the tub because when was the last time you had taken a bath,
Doree Shafrir: Yeah. I haven't taken a bath in a while. I think I always kind of like talked myself out of it. You know what I mean? Like Fill up the Tub, like there, like.
New Speaker: Plan ahead work there's like preparation involved.
Doree Shafrir: Yeah, yeah, Yeah, yeah. Um, but I was like, okay, I'm gonna do this. And then I did. And I'm, I'm glad that I did
Kate Spencer: Great. I'm glad for you. And I appreciated that you did text me immediately after. Thank you for honoring that request.
Doree Shafrir: Well, listen, you were very insistent and I did not wanna cross you so
Kate Spencer: You don't wanna mess with me.
Doree Shafrir: No, I did not wanna wanna mess with you. Um, the other thing that I wanted to mention is a few weeks ago, the pajama company print fresh got in touch with us because I had mentioned them on the show, but I had said, I've never tried them. I've been curious. And they said, Hey, do you wanna try our pajamas? And they sent us some pajamas.
Kate Spencer: Now, look, let's take a to acknowledge the fact that you and I both like screamed over text message about this.
Kate Spencer: We Did, we were very excited.
Doree Shafrir: Their Pajamas are so cool. And I really, they sent us some and I've been wearing them every night and I love them now. I love them. They are, they are not cheap. Um, so that's just a, something to kind of note. Um, but I did see like they do occasionally go on sale. So that could be something to just sort of keep an eye on. You know,
New Speaker: they are Such a crisp cotton. I've never worn a crisp cotton pajama before. Oh, I think I'm always wearing like either like a soft cotton or a mix, like a poly mix. I don't.
Doree Shafrir: oh, like A Jersey Kind of.
New Speaker: Yes. Yes, exactly. And this Is a different feeling. And what what's weird is that I've actually noticed my body is not getting as hot while I sleep. I dunno. It's the material. Cause that's all I've changed. It's really interesting. But they're very, yes. And the prints are amazing.
Doree Shafrir: The Prints are really cool. So we are big fans. Thank you.
New Speaker: Thank you To the print, fresh organization for Hooking us up.
Doree Shafrir: I know, you know, I also, I know someone who has they make these day to, they call them day to night gowns. I didn't get one, but I know a couple people who have them and they do look very cool. Um,
Kate Spencer: Do they wear them in the day?
Doree Shafrir: Yes they do. They wear them
Kate Spencer: Amazing.
Doree Shafrir: They wear them as, um, daytime dresses. So I'm intrigued by those as well.
Kate Spencer: That might be an outfit for us both to wear to my book event. We should know those. maybe I Should get one.
Doree Shafrir: That's not bad idea.
Kate Spencer: Doree. Let's take a little break. And when we come back, we are going to, we're gonna share a Valentine sent to us by a listener.
Doree Shafrir: Yeah.
Kate Spencer: And we've got some great questions about some drugstore skincare products. I mean, we've just, we're gonna cover it all. So we are, we stick around.
Doree Shafrir: Okay. We'll be right back.
Doree Shafrir: Okay. We are back. Hello? Hello. Um, okay. So we got this email from a listener and I feel like we don't, we don't often like read emails that are like, I love you guys because you know,
Kate Spencer: That was, that's a obnoxious,
Doree Shafrir: It's kind of obnoxious, but this was so sweet and timed perfectly for Valentine's day. And this listener said that they were sending us a Valentine's. So I figured, you know what, let's do this.
Kate Spencer: Okay. Let's too our own horn on Valentine's let's
Doree Shafrir: Suit our own horn just a little bit. Yeah.
Kate Spencer: Let's love ourselves.
Doree Shafrir: Yes. Let's love ourselves.
Kate Spencer: Now. Let's be honest. There are also emails we receive about people who do not love us. Oh, We don't Share those. We don't share those either.
Doree Shafrir: No, because we wanna love us.
Kate Spencer: Yeah. Because those are, those are harder to read sometimes
Doree Shafrir: Harder. Yeah, exactly.
Kate Spencer: Um, well here is what this lovely listener said. Hi, Kate and Doree. As I approach my thirty- seventh birthday, the term forever 35 is especially resonating with me. And as we approach Valentine's day, just want to send you both a Valentine. I mean, I love it. Okay. I wanna thank you both for all the joy. Your podcast is brought to me personally. It's like chatting with two good friends and it's been even more helpful during these crazy pandemic times. My husband hears me listening when I'm washing dishes or folding clothes. Sorry. I have three kids. These are my peak podcast opportunities. Okay. I just wanna pause and say, why are you apologizing for this? This is, these are my peak podcast opportunities as well and dog walking. Uh, okay. They continue and says, are you listening to those women who sound exactly like you? Again,
Kate Spencer: You've both influenced me to try to so many great new products, books, and other podcasts over the years. And thank you for that. Some things I wanna express gratitude for most recently are I finally took the plunge on the baby foot peel. And it was by far the highlight of my January. Thank you for suggesting retinol. I think it's made a huge difference for me personally. I'm not sure y'all have mentioned Neutrogen rapid wrinkle repair specifically, but that at retinol cream has been great for this beginner taco cat goat cheese pizza is an insanely fun game for all humans. My friends and family were a bit weirded out that I couldn't stop talking about this flap movie from 1990, but the plot thickens was phenomenal. I suggested Tuesday Moony talks to ghosts to my sister. And it was a different genre for both of us, but we really, really liked it. The Eurovision song contest, fire saga movie restored my faith in will Ferrell. There's so many more great things I've tried based on listening to the pod and enjoyed. So thanks. Thank you. You are great at what you do and you are always appreciated a fan in North Carolina.
Kate Spencer: I've never done the baby foot peel. Have you Doree?
Doree Shafrir: No,
Kate Spencer: I'm too scared. Like the, sorry, go ahead.
Doree Shafrir: No, I was just gonna say, I feel like it's something that's come up a lot. And like it's talked about in the Facebook group and like guests have brought it up.
Kate Spencer: Yes. But like I am too scared to peel to do that. I'm I'm, I'm intrigued and impressed that this person went for it.
Doree Shafrir: Me too,
Kate Spencer: Too. Peel that foot skin off. Well, thank you. This was a very lovely kind message to receive. And I think we, the feeling is mutual that making this podcast has helped us through these crazy pandemic times. So thank you for listening through it all.
Doree Shafrir: And thank you for this. It was really, it was really nice to receive. It
Kate Spencer: Was really appreciated. Seriously. That was very kind.
Doree Shafrir: All right. Well, we got a text that just asked, what do we think about berts bees products?
Kate Spencer: I think I like them. I have a few bets bees products in my, you know, arsenal of Prods. And I would especially shout out their hydrating facial MISt, which I discovered via a makeup artist. And I feel like anytime a makeup artist is using something that's like a seal of approval because it is their profession to touch faces. And then the other thing that I like, which I think I first learned about from early guest, Sam Herby is their tinted lip balm. So there, the, the mist is 12.99 and the tinted lip bulb is 4 99 and it's a very moisturizing lip balm.
Doree Shafrir: Um, it is a nice lip ball. Thank you Sam, for mentioning this. I mean, I, I recall using berts bee's not the tinted lip balm, but just their regular old, you know, lip, lip balm, which like I would refer to by the brand named chapstick, but it's obviously not chapstick because that is a brand name like Kleenex, but you know what I mean? Um, I've, you know, I use that for years and years. Like Bert bees is kind of an OG.
Kate Spencer: Yeah. And I mean, I, that it's cruelty free, you know, it's owned by Clorox. It used to be an independent company. Um, and I think Clorox bought it years ago. Uh, I like their products. I also had had like a lot of their little kids stuff for my children. Like their, like, you know, like shampoo, baby shampoo and body wash and little moisturizers and stuff. And I've always, I've always liked a berts bees.
Doree Shafrir: Yeah.
Kate Spencer: Anyone and using more of their product line. I would love to hear what you are enjoying. Cause I, I, you know, I did tudeloo over to bet the Bebe's website and they've got an eye cream and all night cream, but they were wait list only. Mm. So people are onto the Bert bees. All right. Now, Doree, we got this text and I actually wanted to answer because I have experience here. Someone also texted us. What's the deal with CVS brand knockoffs of skincare products? Are they really just as good as the original? I'm always swayed by the cheaper price
Doree Shafrir: CVS at one point sent us a bunch of their products.
Kate Spencer: Yes. I tried a bunch of
Doree Shafrir: CVS brand products.
Kate Spencer: They sent us some pop Arai, which is CVS brand. And then they also sent us, um, oh shoot, hold on. I hit the website pulled up and now it's gimme one second CVS brands. Um, they also sent us some live better products, which is like their supplements. And they sent in that stash, some vitamin E oil that I use every day.
Doree Shafrir: Mm.
Kate Spencer: Um, I use it on my hand scar and then I use it in my cuticles and on hands. So it's like my cuticle oil. I have found their products to be nothing but lovely. I also tried their paparazzi mineral sunscreen. And that was really nice.
Doree Shafrir: Hmm.
Kate Spencer: I wanted to say that if you are swayed by the price, let yourself be swayed. Yeah. Like it sounds like you're being swayed in the right direction.
Doree Shafrir: Yeah. Give it a shot. I mean, there's, the price point is actually, is also very good. So, you know, there are things that you could try and then If you're, that's not like the biggest deal.
Kate Spencer: Yeah. But it's, it's my understanding. And again, like, I am not an expert, I'm not a, a journalist in this area, but it's my understanding that, you know, a generic is really the same as the branded.
Doree Shafrir: Mm.
Kate Spencer: Right. Oh, and you know what else I tried, I tried their, um, hydrating, hydro gel green tea, eye masks. I actually just used these recently. I posted a picture of me and my Instagram stories and these, these were very nice and very cooling.
Doree Shafrir: Mm.
Kate Spencer: So I, I would say like, yes, definitely. Oh, their hand cream is nice. Okay. I've actually used a lot of these products. Yeah. I think, I think you can't go wrong. I mean, I think there's, there's, it's basically going to be the same thing. And if, if you like saving the money, like that's, that's makes the product even more worth it in my opinion. Yeah. Good point. Anyway, try them out and tell us what you think. Okay. Let us know how they work for you. Okay. Yes. Please let us know. Please do. All right, Doree. It's break time again. Let's take another little break. We'll be right back. All right. Friends. We have a really interesting question. Not about having a shoe free home, but what your obligation is when you have a shoe free home, let's hear it. Doree
Listener Caller: Forever 35. I'm calling with an etiquette question, um, for Kate and Dory and perhaps other listeners. Um, we ask guests to take off their shoes when they come into our home which Isn't something I grew up with, but it does seem to be like the norm among friends, especially folks with young kids, which is also our situation. Um, and my in-laws, it seems to be like always a little pointy of contention. Um, whenever they come to our place, like we are reminding them to take off their shoes. We've got crawling babies, et cetera. Um, big pile of shoes at the front door to us. Doesn't feel like a big deal. Um, we typically are barefoot or just wearing our socks and on a recent small family gathering. Um, my mother-in-law kind of made a big deal about how she had made sure my sister-in-law bought slippers for the kids.
Listener Caller: And then like everybody gets there, like sort of this big to-do to put them on their, um, and I sort brush off as my mother-in-law's passive aggressive reaction. Um, but then I did, have you wondering, is it poor etiquette to not offer guests, especially those who might not be accustomed to kicking off their shoes, slippers, or other things to wear in your home? Um, if you are asking them to take off their shoes. So just quite a few others do, should we be providing slippers to people, visit our home. Thank you so much. Always such a joy to listen to your podcast. Um, and I love hearing your advice on all issues, this big and small. Thanks a lot. Bye.
Doree Shafrir: Interesting.
Kate Spencer: I have hashtag thoughts on this. Okay. Let's hear 'em okay. So, so we are not a shoe free home. I think in my fantasy life, I would maintain a shoe free household, but it's just has not been realistic with my children. And also my husband who loves to wear a shoe in the house.
Doree Shafrir: Mine too. What is like that?
Kate Spencer: I don't know. Like if you and I lives together, I think we would have a shoe free house. Right.
Doree Shafrir: I agree. I agree with this.
Kate Spencer: It's like, I can't break them. They're like wild horses that can't be tamed.
Kate Spencer: I know it's weird. I also think like, you know, El, like where we live in Southern California, there is just so much indoor, outdoor, indoor outdoor. That that's true. True. And I find forgetting I'll wear my like slippers outside to go like stomp around. And then I'm like, oh no.
Doree Shafrir: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Kate Spencer: So that's been my hangup, but I do think that if you have a shoe free home, it is lovely etiquette to keep a stash of, you know, very basic disposable slippers for your guests to wear. I, it, I think you can buy these for relatively cheap in bulk, you know, keep 10 or five or two, whatever. Just keep some just to have on hand. I think that's a nice gesture. I do think there are some people who do this. I wouldn't say it's a requirement. Like I, my daughter's friend, you know, she goes over to her house for a play and like, I don't expect them to give her slippers in their shoe free home, but I do think like things like guests that are like family coming to visit, I do think that's a nice thing to do.
Doree Shafrir: I agree with you. I, I also, um, I hadn't thought about the option of disposable slippers because I was kind of thinking about this. Like, yeah, it would be nice to have slippers, but like, I would, I wouldn't wanna like necessarily put on slippers that like I knew, you know, 10 other people had worn, you know what I mean? I mean, another thing you could do is like, if your in-laws come over frequently, you could like, it would be a really nice gesture to like buy them all a pair of slippers. Like you can get slippers at target for like ten dollars,
Kate Spencer: I mean, look at Ikea they're 2 99.
Doree Shafrir: Yeah. So like this wouldn't be a huge outlay on your end. And it would probably, you know, engender a lot of Goodwill, although it sounds like your inlaws have already bought slippers if I understood that correctly. Yeah.
Kate Spencer: And I, you know, people are passive aggressive. I get it. Yeah.
Doree Shafrir: And, and it's annoying, you know, like Kate said, I don't, I don't think this is a requirement, but I do think it's like a, it is a nice gesture. Um, but yeah, I mean, I, you know, I personally also, like, I don't love wearing my shoes in the house. I don't, I also don't like being barefoot in the house.
Kate Spencer: No. And especially in somebody else's house,
Doree Shafrir: I like, no, and I no, like that is gross to me. And so I, like, I actually always feel weird. I mean, how many people's houses indoors am I going to lately? No. One's but like, there have been times there have been times when it's like, oh, I go to someone's house and it's a shoe free house and I'm wearing like sandals. And then I have to take off the sandals and be barefoot. I'm like, that's kinda gross. So I do think it's like good to give people a heads up. And I mean, it sounds like you've done that, but like, just in general, if you are a shoe free house and I realize in many cultures, it is like very it's standard to be a shoe free home.
Kate Spencer: Yes. We're speaking as two white Americans. Yes.
Doree Shafrir: Yeah. Um, where it is, unfortunately, in my opinion, that's not standard. I wish
Kate Spencer: My, I know my family, they were like, let us go out in the snow and then keep these boots on inside for five hours. That's what my childhoods was like, let me stop these LL bean boots all over the house. Very different from how many people grew up. I, I realized, but
Doree Shafrir: Yes. Yes. Um, so I don't know. Those are just, those are my thoughts. I'd be curious to hear what other people think.
Kate Spencer: Yeah. Especially if you're a shoe free householder,
Doree Shafrir: If you're a shoe free house, if you go places that are shoe free houses, If you're in the Same position As if you're in the same position as this list center where like you are a shoe free house, but you have family members who are resistant, you know, extended family members, your friends who are resistant to it. Um, Yeah.
Kate Spencer: I love the shoe free conversation. I could talk about this forever. I truly wish I had, like, this was implanted in my brain, in my family family's brain. I wish we were a shoe free house. You know, we've tried so many times
Doree Shafrir: I have tried to have Henry's playroom be shoe free. And it like generally is, but like not always.
Kate Spencer: That's a good, I like that. Like one room in the house. That's a great, yeah. That's a great idea.
Doree Shafrir: Thanks.
Kate Spencer: All right. Well, let's end on this question.
Doree Shafrir: Okay.
Kate Spencer: Dore and Kate spelled C a I T parentheses, LOL. Listen, I love a good inside joke listener. Thank you. I've been listening for several years and today a question popped up into my brain that I had to ask why forever 35. Of course I get the forever 21 reference, but how did you settle on 35 when you created the podcast? Were you both around that age? At the time did forever 40 feel too alliterative. I love the title and it feels like it fits perfectly, but I'm just curious how you landed on 35 to represent the feel and vibe of the pod. Also, how does the title feel now that you are both in your fab, forties sign, a 35 year old listener?
Doree Shafrir: Um, I mean, we've definitely talked about this before, but I feel like we probably haven't talked about it for a long time. So people who have started listening, you know, not from the beginning may not be aware. Um, well, first of all, we have to give credit to our first ever forever 35 guests, Jane Marie for coming up with the name of the show,
Doree Shafrir: How did we land on the number 35? I mean, again, Jane Marie was just like, here's an idea for a name. And it was so perfect. We were like great done. But 35 does feel kind of like a nice cutoff point because culturally, I feel like this is when we are start. We are told that like we're old now, which is like absurd when you think about it. But like, even let's say, if you are, um, trying to, uh, get pregnant, you are considered a geriatric pregnancy after 35, like, like bonkers, things like that. And so I think it was just kind of a nice age that we landed on. And neither of us, I was still in my thirties when we started the podcast, you were 40.
Doree Shafrir: I think I was 40.
Kate Spencer: And I think I was 38. So we were already past 35. And the name now. I mean, it's just like tongue and cheek. I like, I, I like it. You know, like, I'd be happy to do this podcast as a 70 year old and still call it forever 35 because it's so I do think it highlights absurdity of our obsession with like youth and age, right?
Doree Shafrir: Yeah. Yeah, totally,
Kate Spencer: Totally. Anyway, we are happy to call it forever 45 and a few, we can do a spec special one off culture, 45.
Doree Shafrir: Totally.
Kate Spencer: Well, whatever age you are, we're glad you're here. And also happy 30 that 35 fifth birthday or just the listener was 35. I think I misread that.
Doree Shafrir: Um, they just said a 35 year old listener. Yeah.
Kate Spencer: We have listeners of all ages too. That's the kind of best part of doing a show. And the most like mind blowing part of it. Yeah. Well Doree, my 44 year old friend, it was great to see you.
Doree Shafrir: Well, Kate, my 42 year old friend,
Kate Spencer: I love it here. I love it here in the forties.
Doree Shafrir: I know it's a nice place to be.
Kate Spencer: It's really nice. All right, everybody. Well, thank you so much for listening and we hope you have it. Great day. Happy Valentine's day.
Doree Shafrir: Bye everyone.