Mini-Ep 274: Bonetown, USA
Kate and Doree start a chic adult bib business for the stain-challenged. Then, they hear from listeners wondering where a newly single adult lady is to lounge and how to angry cry with dignity. Plus, they discuss spicy Jane Austen adaptations in their new Austen-cast segment.
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Kate Spencer: Hello, and welcome to forever 35, a podcast about the things we do to take care of ourselves. I am Kate Spencer.
Doree Shafrir: and I am Doree Shafrir.
Kate Spencer: and we are not experts.
Doree Shafrir: No, but we are two friends who like to talk a lot about serums.
Kate Spencer: And this is a mini episode where we hear from you. We share your comments and your thoughts, and we answer your questions to the best of our ability.
Doree Shafrir: And please you remember, we are podcast hosts, not experts. The hats that we wear, safe podcast host. They do not say expert. I mean, we're experts at being podcast hosts. I would say by now. Yes, that is true. Um, but we do always encourage you to seek support first and foremost, from a medical and or mental health professional as needed.
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Kate Spencer: You know what I did today, Doree, when I woke up and put the sweater on it, had some dried food on it and I just scratched it right off and put it on. And you know what nobody's noticed?
Doree Shafrir: Oh, I thought you were gonna say you ate the food. <laugh>.
Kate Spencer: even for me, I wouldn't do that. And I feel like that is a thing that I would possibly do.
Doree Shafrir: That's really where I thought this was going.
Kate Spencer: No, no <laugh> no, but I did, I did put it on and there was like a, like a dried soup or something on there. And I was like, this is the moment. Do I decide that I'm gonna take this off and like wash it? Or do I just kind of scrape this off with a fingernail? And I, you know, know what I took the latter road and I'm happy. I feel good. I don't know if there's still little food comes on here,
Doree Shafrir: but I happy for you. I, you know, that also reminds me of something that I did actually wanna bring up on this podcast. So I'm glad you raised it. Does Anyone else have the problem that all of their solid color sweatshirts get like oil stains on them?
Kate Spencer: Yeah. Does anyone else have the problem? Yes, me like.
Doree Shafrir: all, What am I just a slob like.
Kate Spencer: no sweatshirts need to be oil resistant.
Doree Shafrir: I just, I, I went to wear the sweatshirt the other day and I was like, oh, there's a big freaking blotch. <laugh> like right in the middle of the sweatshirt. And like, I do try to be careful, but you know, I'm cooking, I'm running after a toddler. I'm podcasting, which as we all know is a high stain occupation.
Kate Spencer: So high Stain,
Doree Shafrir: so high stain. And I just feel like I put these clothes on and I, and I, and I really look kind of slovenly.
Kate Spencer: Well, the worst part is an oil stain wrecks. The item, like once you, you, once you stained and then washed the item with the oil stain.
Doree Shafrir: Well, that's the thing too, right? It's like, I didn't notice it. So I didn't treat it, which may have possibly given me a hope to get it out. But no it's been washed I'm I'm ruined.
Kate Spencer: I think there's a lot of false hope when it comes to oil stains that there's like a lot of solutions given on how to get them out. But nothing works. Like once I've stained something with a big blot of oil, like that's the end? That's the end, right? It is the end. Yes. Like I have friends who are like, just dust some baby powder on it. Right. And that absorbs the oil. And then, and like, I have nothing. Get your crystals out from a circle around the oil stain. I mean like literally no, and I oil stain everything.
Doree Shafrir: Yes. me too
Kate Spencer: You know where it's also really embarrassing on a pair of pants on the thigh. I feel like I get a lot of thigh oil. Like you drop a piece of lettuce that you're eating and a salad on your leg. Yes,
Doree Shafrir: Yes, yes. To all of this,
Kate Spencer: To someone out there have the secret answer.
Doree Shafrir: Well, I wanna know if someone has a secret answer that is not just like wear a smock at all time. <laugh>.
Kate Spencer: wait a second. Is That a real,
Doree Shafrir: I don't know. I mean, I'm just thinking like one of the solutions to getting oil stains on my clothes when I'm cooking would obviously be to wear an apron. Like that's why they exist. Do I wear an apron? I, I tend to put aprons on only when I'm baking. otherwise, I just don't even like, think about it, but I should probably just start wearing aprons. But then like, what about just when I'm eating, I guess that's why people tuck napkins into their, you know, the top of their shirt. Do I need a lobster bib when I'm eating? Do I need a bib? I need
Kate Spencer: Doree. Do you wanna start selling adult bibs I mean branded adult bibs, hold on.
Doree Shafrir: Kind of, but we could get them. They could look cool. We could get them like in Liberty print. <laugh>
Kate Spencer: What is Liberty print? oh, that's like fancy. I know what you're saying. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? Like they would be,
Doree Shafrir: They would be like fancy. Like it would be like, if Batsheva did bibs,
Kate Spencer: Oh, would love a Batsheva Bib. But then
Doree Shafrir: The problem is you stay in the, Batsheva bib and then you're like, I just paid $150 for a freaking piece for this fabric. Yeah.
Kate Spencer: <laugh> I Googled adult bibs and a $65 Burberry bib came up on Bloomingdale's. But I think this is for babies.
Doree Shafrir: I mean, I think we might be on something here.
Kate Spencer: A chic bib, a chic bib would be, would be cool. Like a very large Hanker chief kind of that you, you know how like some people make scarves and Hanker chiefs look cool. You know, there are, there are obviously like large vinyl bibs for there. And there are adults who might need something like this, but what about like a, a chic adult bib?
Doree Shafrir: Yeah. I like, I like where your head's at Kate. I really do,
Kate Spencer: because I'm looking at all these things for folks who might need a bib and none of them look cool. There's there's a lot on Etsy. There's a lot of adult bibs on Etsy, actually, Doree. And here's a cute one with a cherry print. Okay. This is actually cute. Adult bib cherry print plus matching mask.
Doree Shafrir: Oh, Wow. It makes me think about like, when, if you buy or sell children's clothes, like on the internet or whatever, they'll all like, you have to say what condition they're in. And often people be like play condition. Cause like, you know, they're stain. And I feel like my personal clothes are also play condition.
Kate Spencer: Totally. I, I, I feel the same way. And I, I also, the thing with the oil stain is that it often happens to me when I'm like wearing the shirt for the first or second time. And then it's like and I keep wearing it because I, I'm not gonna just discard clothing cuz I'm an oil stain. But then I see the stain becomes huge in my eyes. Like it becomes the whole shirt.
Doree Shafrir: Hmm.
Kate Spencer: Oh I'm so stressed out about oil stains right now. I like can't even handle it. They're the worst stain.
Doree Shafrir: Kate I have to say It does. It does feel good to know that you're also in the same boat, even though like, I'm sorry that you're in the same boat and you know what else I would like to know if you are a person out there who never gets oil stains on their clothing, what are your secrets?
Kate Spencer: I mean, I think the secret is not cooking like.
Doree Shafrir: and not eating?
Kate Spencer: and not eat that's those are bad secrets. Don't do either of those things, especially the eating seriously have to eat well. But I mean, I, whenever I'm cooking with oil, I also, I too also never wear an apron, which I think I should start doing my stepmom wears an apron every time she cooks and it's like very practical.
Doree Shafrir: She she's a smart person.
Kate Spencer: She's so smart.
Doree Shafrir: She probably doesn't have oil stains on her clothing. No.
Kate Spencer: And she takes such good care of her. Like she wraps her clothes when she comes to visit and like tissue paper. She's very, uh, just like a meticulous caretaker of things. Yeah. Why, why am I not like that? I like wrap my clothes in like a leaky shampoo bottle, you know? Like I'm the person who <laugh> like when they pack all the big bottles, leak all over everything.
Doree Shafrir: Oh, totally. Don't even get me started on like the, the liquid and soap stains I have in like every suitcase purse bag. Like it's just,
Kate Spencer: Oh, and then you have to wipe out the bag.
Doree Shafrir: Yes. I mean, look, I realize these problems are not like in the grand scheme of things. Huge problems. And like, I don't like the idea that I am so careless as to ruin so many things of mine, but it really is problem.
Kate Spencer: I don't think that you're careless. I think that we, that, that honestly, we just haven't talked about frankly, the crisis of oil stains on clothes. I
Doree Shafrir: I Just think it's not talked about all right.
Kate Spencer: It's just not mentioned everybody's experiencing this.
Doree Shafrir: I feel like this can be an ongoing conversation. Listeners let us know
Kate Spencer: Maybe and some, maybe someone is like a laundress out there and they I'm sure there is a good way to handle this. And we just don't know. I'm also like lazy and annoyed at everything. So I just throw everything in the laundry without really doing the due diligence of trying to get it clean.
Doree Shafrir: Okay. You Know what? I will see. I, I did have a stain victory recently. stain on one of my sweatshirts. And I was like, and it was something, I forget exactly what it was, but it was something that would not have come out if I just put it through the wa like it was like balsamic vinegar or something, you know what I mean? Like something like pretty stainy. And I, I applied some dish soap, which I had heard is really good at combating food stains, which makes sense when you think about it. So I just dabbed some dish soap onto the stain and kind of let it set and washed the sweatshirt a few hours later. And the stain came out.
Kate Spencer: Wow. Doree did you use Dawn dish soap? My favorite dish soap.
Doree Shafrir: I didn't, but I did use method. So I do just wanna mention that, um, you know, I have a friend once had stained a like fancy sweatsuit. She had bought, um, during the pandemic and she was very sad that she'd gotten an oil stain on it and she bought a kit. I'll have to ask her how that worked out for her,
Kate Spencer: An oil stain Kit.
Doree Shafrir: They're like a, like a, not a, I guess not a kit. Like there's some product that had been recommended somewhere that she bought. I'm being very vague. I will, I will do some more research into this. This was an impromptu discussion. I did not come prepared to discuss oil stains. But when you started talking about food on your shirt, your sweater, it really pinged something for me. And I needed to bring it up. Well,
Kate Spencer: This wasn't in my intended notes for the episode either, but can I just tell you what fuckery I am getting targeted ads for right now, an, an ear cleaning tool that like scrapes your ear wax out and also has a camera on the end of it. So you can watch as you clean your ear. Is that? Not the most. And I don't know why this started appearing on my targeted ads. Like, it's not like I'm Googling ear wax every day or talking about my ears, but that's what I am being targeted with. And I'm mad at it because I'm like, this is the dumbest thing ever. Like why is everything a scam slash I want it,
Doree Shafrir: Wow.
Kate Spencer: I don't know. I, I, what, why would you need a camera to look at your ear wax, but then again, I don't know.
Doree Shafrir: I'm curious. That feels like something that will cause more problems than it solves.
Kate Spencer: I think so, Doree, I think so. But you know, it's, this is the, this is the, um, the monster that these targeted ads have created. They, I think they're ridiculous slash they call to me in the night, like a siren.
Doree Shafrir: Um, before we take a break, I do just wanna mention that I did go to the doctor yesterday. and my foot is now in a boot.
Kate Spencer: Doree’s in a Boot, everybody.
Doree Shafrir: I'm in a boot. It's not broken. Thank God.
Kate Spencer: Doree's in a Boot. What is it like, what was the official diagnosis.
Doree Shafrir: It’s like the best when I think when it's not broken, it's kind of guesswork, right? Like he thinks that I kind of strained this like main tendon that runs from like your calf, like through the arch of your foot. Um, like I, I can't, he had me try to like, um, run eyes up on my toes and I couldn't do it on my right foot, which is like, Why? Which is why he thought that was his kind of like best guess for that. But I mean it's not broken, which is like, you know, I didn't think it was. And he was like, yeah, if it had been broken, like you would've been in more pain, it would've been much more swollen and you would've had black and blue bruising. I was like, okay. I had none of that <laugh> and he gave me some anti-inflammatories, which already seemed to be working. So I think the challenge is just going to be like actually staying in the boot for two weeks, which is when I see him again. Um, and not being like I'm better and like going for a run and then being like, I'm not better. So that's where we are.
Kate Spencer: we gotta take Care of these bods. You know, we want them to, we want them to last, our bodies are like vintage cars, you know, we gotta care for them. We've gotta ride them slowly.
Doree Shafrir: I mean, yeah. Sometimes my body feels like a Ford Pinto
Kate Spencer: Is that I don't even really know what kind of car that is. It's an old car, a junk
Doree Shafrir: the Ford Pinto was a <laugh> it's a thing. Right? Iconic and iconic junky car that like in crashes, burst. That's what it was.
Kate Spencer: Geez. It's cool Looking though, I'm looking at pictures and it's pretty cool looking.
Doree Shafrir: Yeah. So, you know then like I think the, where like where they place the gas tank. The poor design of the Pintos fuel tank and rear end mean it vulnerable to crashes even at low speeds in which the fuel tank would extreme damage and catch on fire.
Kate Spencer: Good Lord. Bad design. Anyway. Well that's Like you're having your Ford Pinto week and you'll move on.
Doree Shafrir: I will. Okay. Let's take a break , we will be right back.
Kate Spencer: Okie dokey. Here we are with a text from a listener.
Text Message: Longtime/first time! I (she/her) just broke up with my partner (he/him) of many years and split a household/moved into a new place, and I am OVERWHELMED with all of the possibilities furnishing a new apartment brings. I feel so fortunate that I know it was the right decision to end the relationship, but I feel like I’m rushing to fill in the gaps because I don’t want to be in limbo not feeling at home in my new living space. I have a very nice full kitchen and a sweet TV, but no couch, ya know? There are weird disparities all over, and where is a Newly Single Adult Lady to lounge?! I would so appreciate any advice for dealing with this “buy now” impulse while also getting set up and resettled in a place that feels like home and feels like me. I always love listening to your hot takes and thoughtful responses and already appreciate you keeping me company during the chaos of this move
Kate Spencer: Oh, what nice words.
Doree Shafrir: Those are really nice words.
Kate Spencer: Hmm. Hmm.
Doree Shafrir: Well, first of all, congratulations on your breakup
Kate Spencer: Way to break free,
Doree Shafrir: Way To break free and set out on your own. Um, the second thing that I would say is I would, I would make a list. I would try to be a little bit methodical about this. Make a list of what you need and then prioritize. Based on your text. It does sound like your top priority may be a couch.
Kate Spencer: Yeah,
Doree Shafrir: That's okay. Um, you know, I feel like people are always talking about how long it's taking furniture to come, but I know that like, I, I was just looking on target.com. There are couches that you can have in five days now they're not gonna be custom couches, but they're gonna be couches. They look pretty nice. Um, same with honestly, Amazon. I know they also have couches where ready to go sites like Wayfair and overstock tend to be able to ship quickly.
Kate Spencer: What about Ikea, Doree? Do you know anything about Ikea's current shipping status?
Doree Shafrir: My Understanding is that Ikea is really having some supply chain woes. So my suggestion, if you are planning on going the Ikea route would be to check the stock on their website, check your local store. Um, if you're heading to the store and or if you're just doing delivery, you can check the stock. But my, my understanding was that they're, they're very low on many things. Maybe not couches. I don't know, but I mean, um,
Kate Spencer: Yes, I would. I would all also add and, and Doree, forgive me if you were about to, to add this, but do check your local secondhand stores. Local resale groups. I don't know if you have buy nothing groups in your community, but buy nothing. Groups are fantastic place to find furniture and you can, even if something's not listed, you can put the call out. And often I find, you know, someone will put the call out for something and someone's like, oh yeah, you know what I have, I have this chair in my office that I'm not using. I would love to pass that on to you. So
Doree Shafrir: That is, yes. That is such a good point. Also, I feel like, especially towards the end of the month, when people are moving, they're like, They were like desperate to get rid of things. Like, you'll see people do a good call. I have to get this couch out of my house by, you know, the 31st. Um, so you might be able to scoop something up.
Kate Spencer: I think this Listener could also just create a Pinterest board, um, set a budget with what you like, write like Doree suggested, make a list and then set your budget for how much you wanna to spend. What are the things that you feel comfortable spending more money on? What are the things you might wanna try to spend less on or get from a friend or, you know, get for free. I feel like that kind of helps. And I like the Pinterest board because it kind of scratches the itch, but it also will help you like envision your space.
Doree Shafrir: Good call.
Kate Spencer: When in doubt, also get a plant plants, make everything better.
Doree Shafrir: That is also a really good call.
Kate Spencer: I hope we answered this listener's question, but maybe other people have some thoughts.
Doree Shafrir: Yeah. We'd love to hear that. All right. We have a voicemail. Let's cue it up.
Voicemail: Hi, Kate and Doree. I am calling you from Toronto, Canada. I have had a question that I wanted to ask you and your, forever 35 audience for a long time. And that is, um, what do you do if, if you get really emotional, when you're angry, like you're frustrated, you're angry and you end up crying. Instead of being able to, to express your point or adequately, explain to the person or the entity that you're needing to express yourself to. Um, instead of being able to do that well, you get so frustrated and angry that you end up crying. I've had this happen to me a number of times, um, throughout my adult life. And I would like to know if anyone else experiences this, you have valid points and you have valid opinions and you have, um, things that you need to say, but like the emotions build up to a point where you just can't express them and you end up crying. And then the crying becomes the, the, the important thing about the conversation instead of what it is you wanted to express. It's happened to me during PhD supervisory meetings, it's happened to me with friends. It's happened to me. <laugh> when something has gone wrong with my car and nobody believes me like just, you know, I really wanna be able to express myself in, in high intensity moments without breaking down and crying about it. And I would like to know if anyone else has the same in shoes and any advice. Thank you so much. Bye.
Doree Shafrir: An interesting conundrum.
Kate Spencer: This is really intriguing to me in terms of things to think about, because the one thing I don't do is to demonize crying. because I think it's a valid response and I'm a crier, you know, I think it's just, it just is how your, your body and brain are reacting and it's that's okay. Um, but then I do know what you mean, why when that takes the focus instead of the actual topic of the conversation and the reason for about which you are upset. And that's very frustrating. My thought is to know your, or to begin to kind of to deepen your understanding of how you react to things and to maybe in a moment where you were feeling anger, say, you know what, it would be most, um, productive for me to have this conversation in a little bit after I like gather my thoughts.
Doree Shafrir: Yes. I was going to suggest something similar. I know, um, a lot, I, when I, I read, I read a lot about how to like deal with your toddler, who's having a tantrum. One of the, of things that like everyone suggests that is really hard to do is like yourself staying calm. But that if you do get, if you, like, if you do kind of escalate things yourself, you have to just kind of remember to like, take a beat and come back to it when you are calmer. Um, um, whether that's like apologizing to someone or, um, whatever, I think, I think naming it like Kate did and saying, I can't deal with this right now. I'm gonna have to come back to it in an hour. You know, whatever. I think that's, I think that's really a good strategy. It doesn't have to be addressed immediately.
Kate Spencer: Well, and I also feel like crying gives the person like fuel to like this, this listener says, like change the course of the conversation and make it about the crying and not the initial thing. It kind of gives them like fuel to add against you in a way, like, why are you crying? It's not that big of a deal, but, but you know, like they, it becomes a tool in the art, in the discussion or the argument. And I don't like that, but I suspect that probably happens a lot because cause you know, people are shitty and also we like have really made crying into this thing that it sh you know, shows certain emotions. I don't know what I'm Saying.
Doree Shafrir: Yes, totally. No, I, I totally agree.
Kate Spencer: And I think also just knowing this about yourself, you can also preface it by saying like you, if you feel like it's a safe person to say this to you, like, you know, I tend to cry when I get really emotional. It's not a reflection of our conversation. It's just how I react.
Doree Shafrir: That's a really good way of putting it too.
Kate Spencer: Thoughts, suggestions, listeners, what do we do here? Tell us, talk to us, guide us, teach us. Hmm. Well, um, we have a great question. I think kind of actually ties into our initial conversation in this episode.
Doree Shafrir: Yes. All right. Uh,
Email: Hi Kat & Dor,
Dor mentioned on a recent episode that she puts sunscreen
Kate Spencer: <laugh> sorry, just Dor mentioned, I know, just love that. Dor.
Email: Hi Kat & Dor,
Dor mentioned on a recent episode that she puts sunscreen on her hands and it made me wonder if either of you has ever faced the interior car sunscreen smears. Whenever I lube up my body with sunscreen and then do any kind of outdoor activity where I perspire,--the interior of my car-- the interior door panel, the steering wheel, the seats etc gets coated in white sunscreen residue which is rather difficult to clean. Does this happen to you? Do you have any reccos?
Love you gals,
XOX
PS. My high school superlatives were "most stressed" (!) and "class writer"...
Kate Spencer: I just wanna say we are gonna have a follow up superlative conversation cause we've gotten so many responses to that topic. So stay tuned. Mm-hmm
Doree Shafrir: <affirmative> yeah. Okay. So that really struck A chord.
Kate Spencer: It did most likely to strike a chord that conversation. Yep. Yeah. Okay. I have a suggestion because I did this, I do this and I Did this.
Doree Shafrir: Okay. I'm listening. I'm listening.
Kate Spencer: When I Leased my car, I just happened to get a car with black, uh, interior and has black leather seats. And boy, have I coated that thing on screen? I mean just white blotches everywhere. And I was actually really nervous that I damaged the, the inside of the car. So I, I know not the most, um, I bought car cleaning wipes and I think the brand that I have are ArmorAll, which is like a, you know, pretty classic car, cleaner. And uh, I wiped my car down and it got it off. So I would get yourself. I would, you know, search whatever car cleaning wipes, make sense for you. Um, I can, you know, try to go find the exact ones that I have, but I just know, I have ArmorAll wipes for my car and that is what got all the sunscreen off. Cause I had it everywhere. Like I'd have it on my hands, then I would touch the door handle and then it would just be like caked and white. Yikes. So yes, this does happen to me. I think it's that simple. Um, I don't, if the car, if your seats or cloth, I think you're gonna wanna get them professionally. Just washed every now and then. You know, like a nice shampoo and vacuum I love getting my car like deep cleaned once a year. It's so satisfying. You ever do a car deep clean?
Doree Shafrir: Um, yes. My husband also really enjoys cleaning cars. It's like a meditative self care practice for him.
Kate Spencer: Ooh, that sounds amazing.
Doree Shafrir: So sometimes, I mean, I need to like clean out my car before he will actually do a deep clean. Um, but yeah.
Kate Spencer: Anyway, what, what I hear you saying is that maybe Matt has some tips for this listener.
Doree Shafrir: Yes. He, he has this interior leather car cleaner stuff. I don't recall exactly what it is, but it does, it really gets like everything out. So like who knows what's actually in it. Ooh <laugh> um, but, but it works it's it really works.
Kate Spencer: Mm. Okay. Well keep us posted, look, maybe armor all wants to send us some prods, Which we won't use on our face, but we might use on the face of our cars. That was a bad cite. That was a bad leap. That was didn't. It didn't make sense. It, it didn't work. Forgive me.
Doree Shafrir: Okay. All right. Shall we take another
Kate Spencer: Short break? Okay. Yes please.
Doree Shafrir: All right. We are back.
Text Message: Hi Kate & Doree! Since Doree mentioned the joy of reading Jane Austin's Persuasion, I'd be remiss if I didn't let Kate know that the Calm app has Persuasion as a sleep story! And it. Is. Delightful!!!!! Also, if Doree would like a marriage of cozy mysteries and Jane Austen, might I recommend the Jane Austen mystery series by Stephanie Baron! Jolly good fun. Love you both!!!!
Kate Spencer: Uhhuh. I, I have to say, um, my kids have been doing a lot of sleep stories at night. Like they'll get into bed and, and just kinda like put one on and dose, and then I have go in and turn off their little iPads when they're done. But yeah, my kids have gotten very into calm sleep stories lately. I would, I, I kind of introduced them and now it's like, they're like, can I do another sleep story tonight? So I'm like, Yeah. Okay. So this, but this might be a perfect one for me.
Doree Shafrir: Yeah. I'm intrigued. Oh, interesting. Intrigued. So, so this mystery series, Jane is the detective.
Kate Spencer: I love
Doree Shafrir: Jane Herself is the detective this
Kate Spencer: Okay.
Doree Shafrir: Interesting. I read
Kate Spencer: This Covers all our interests. Sorry.
Doree Shafrir: Yeah. Well, and I, I do think that there is a pretty, um, I mean, we talked about this, that there's like a huge world of Jane Austin. Fanfic um, I read an arc of a mystery that's coming out. I think in may. That is basically Jane Austin. Fanfic um, called, um, what is it called? Wait. Yes. Okay. Um, yeah. So it's called the murder of Mr. Wickham. Ooh,
Kate Spencer: Mr. Wickham, what a piece of shit he is.
Doree Shafrir: So he, he shows up and gets murdered per the title and everyone at this house party. It's, it's all couples from various Jane Austin books. Oh, that's such a fun idea. So that's pretty, it's pretty fun.
Kate Spencer: Oh, I Love that. Okay. That sounds fantastic. Well, we had another Jane, a, um, listener reach out to us. They wrote,
Email: Truly had to pause the pod! I too have been re-reading Jane Austen. Not only that, but I’ve been reading a book, then watching every film or tv version of it. Started with Pride and Prejudice, then Emma, just finished Persuasion. I find them so comforting, and heart-warming, but also chuckle seeing the drama through my 2022 and 31-year old eyes.
Since becoming a first-time mom in late 2020, all I can handle is happy content and particularly have relished re-visiting happy content from my youth. Hope Doree (which my phone autocorrected to adorée) is enjoying Persuasion!
Doree Shafrir: And that is listening,
Kate Spencer: Which pride and prejudice is better. The six hour BBC version or the 2005 movie starting Kiera Knightly, like who was your Darcy?
Doree Shafrir: So I have never, I have never seen the BBC version.
Kate Spencer: Oh you Haven't?
Doree Shafrir: So that could be a fun thing for me to watch.
Kate Spencer: Oh my gosh. You have to watch it Doree. It's it's so true to the book. I think you'll really enjoy it. But that being said, I'm a loyalist to the film and, and that film is like a massive self-care for me. I've watched it like a hundred times. Mm
Doree Shafrir: Mm-hmm <affirmative> okay.
Kate Spencer: Like pick your Darcy.
Doree Shafrir: I can't remember if I mentioned this on the pod, but I, I did finish Persuasion and now I'm almost done with Mansfield Park.
Kate Spencer: How are you liking it? That was a new one for you. Right?
Doree Shafrir: Mansfield park is interest. It's very long. It's over 500 pages.
Kate Spencer: Oh, Jane.
Doree Shafrir: And there's a, there's a lot of, I feel like there's like a lot of extra stuff in it. <laugh> um, does that make any sense?
Kate Spencer: Yeah. like there's stories that don't Need to be happening
Doree Shafrir: Kind of it's like, she just wanted to like keep living in this world. So she like makes up like other things to happen. <laugh> I dunno that, that, that is probably unfair. Um, but, and the, and the, the main character is like, she's, she's not fun. Like, I mean, that's her whole thing. She's like very serious. Um, and so that's like, it's, I don't wanna say it's not a drag, but I wouldn't call it one of her more like fun novels. Okay. But like, for example, pride and prejudice is two is like 250 pages.
Kate Spencer: Yeah. It's short. It's short.
Doree Shafrir: I mean, the Persuasion is also pers also I think is like 300 pages. Like I wonder if this is her longest book, it feels, it feels long. It sense and sensibility 183 pages. I mean like, What got into her with Mansfield park? Why is Mansfield park? So,
Doree Shafrir: Okay. So the first thing that comes up when you Google why is Mansfield park so long is a Reddit thread that says is Mansfield park really that bad <laugh> The general, the general consensus between Austin fans seems to me that it's her most boring least readable book. <laugh> I'm considering reading it next, currently on persuasion. Did I write this? So maybe you guys can try to either convince me or not, whether it's worth reading next. Okay. You know what? I feel so much better that like I'm not alone in this view of Mansfield park. <laugh>
Kate Spencer: Wow. This is amazing. Okay. I had no idea. I haven't read Mansfield park. I Haven not gotten this deep, into it.
Doree Shafrir: Okay. Amazing. It's Very long. <laugh>
Kate Spencer: Well, you've turned me away, so I might just skip it.
Doree Shafrir: Look, you know, I think, I think it's, I, I mean, I think, I do think now that I'm on this Jane Austin kind of kick it's worth reading just for like, like context and also like, what else am I doing with my life? The, besides reading Jane Austin and recording this podcast. I mean, not much, let's be honest. So,
Kate Spencer: okay. Calm down there. I think you're doing more than just those two things.
Doree Shafrir: All right. Fine. Um, well, oh my gosh. Can I re so funny? I'm gonna have to do, I'm gonna have to do some more reading up on how people, I mean, I have to do some more reading up on how people feel at Mansfield park. <laugh>
Kate Spencer: Yeah. Do some digging on this topic. I did also wanna suggest you read Mr. Darcy takes a wife because I just was revisiting, I hadn't thought about it until we talked about, you know, that you were reading pride and prejudice recently. And I, I just went back and looked at the book and it has like some hot Darcy Elizabeth sex scene. So I feel like if you're looking for like a steamier take on P and P after they're married and you know, like Elizabeth is at Pemberley and li Elizabeth Lizzy, I don't know why I just called Lizzy Bennett. Elizabeth, miss Elizabeth, I guess Darcy does call her Elizabeth. Okay. Anyway, it's a fun read plus like a little bit more, you know, bone town USA, which is fun.
Doree Shafrir: Bone town, USA.
Kate Spencer: I mean, they don't even kiss in the original pride and prejudice. They like walk together at the end. Like, there's just, you, you want, you need some Darcy and Elizabeth, you know, like R X-rated stuff.
Doree Shafrir: Yeah.
Kate Spencer: All right. I do. Anyway. I do. All right. Well, look, I'm really excited to turn this into Austin cast, so <laugh>
Doree Shafrir: All right. On that note, we will talk to you all very soon.