Listener Q&A: Friends for a Season
Kate and Doree dig into finding community IRL through game nights. Then, they hear from a new parent who feels shamed for getting sleep, discuss the looming changes in recommendation culture, and debate when you should wash your face after work.
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Kate: Hello and welcome to Forever35, a podcast about the things we do to take care of ourselves. I am Kate Spencer,
Doree: And I am Doree Shafrir.
Kate: And we are not experts.
Doree: We're not, we're two friends who like to talk a lot about serums
Kate: And yes, we both saw the wordle where the answer was serum.
Doree: Yes. I mean, that was a while ago now.
Kate: It was, but I do want to mention it because so many people sent us
Doree: It's exciting.
Kate: Yeah. Sent us screenshots of their wordle. I have to say it was spoiled for me, but that's okay. I just guessed it in the first try.
Doree: It was like half spoiled for me because someone had DMed me being like, have you done today's wordle yet? And then I was like, wait a second.
Kate: What could it be?
Doree: Yeah. And then
Kate: If it's not Doree, I wonder what it's,
Doree: I got it pretty quickly because of that, but that's okay.
Kate: Yeah. I don't mind Word.
Doree: I started doing the Wordle again. I hadn't been doing Wordle in so long, and then I just got into it again.
Kate: I'm a sporadic, I try to do it. I do it probably a few times a week. I'll do a Wordle connections into Letterboxed. I hate connections. It drives me fucking nuts.
Doree: Really.
Kate: I find it. You know what? I had a bit of an epiphany about myself. Okay. That I'm still kind of exploring. Okay, come on. Here's what it is. When I was flying back on an airplane recently, the plane on the screen in front, you have your little personal screen, it had some games. So I started playing this game on it called 2 0 4 8 and it's like a sliding tile puzzle game where you're just combining these puzzle pieces to try to get to the number 2048. And I became obsessed with it and I'm obsessed with playing it. And similarly, I was like, huh, you know what other game I'm obsessed with playing is Rum Cube, which is also a numbers game. And I was like, this is interesting because I'm a writer, I am left handed, I really identify as a right-brained person. I've never enjoyed math. It was always a big struggle for me. But these very basic number games appeal to me so much. And I hate Word games. I hate
Doree: Interesting
Kate: the Crossword. I hate connections. I don't do the New York Times Spelling Bee. I find it so annoying. Really? Yes. And you and my husband are big word game people. He's a huge crossword person. And I know you are too. And I was like, I wonder what this says about me and my brain and what I find fun and relaxing and why I am drawn to number games. I like Sudoku. I'm not a super Sudoku fan, but you have to do math in Sudoku.
Doree: So you like number games, but not math games.
Kate: Yes.
Doree: Is what I'm hearing.
Kate: That seems to be what is, I literally was walking my dogs this morning and I had this feeling of I like number games.
Doree: I guess I don't totally see the distinction. What is a number game that is not in some ways a math game?
Kate: Well, I guess it is a math game. They are math games. So maybe I like math games.
Doree: I mean, look, the Times was beta testing a game called Digits.
Kate: Oh, I missed it
Doree: for a while
And I really enjoyed, it. Sounds somewhat similar to this 2 0 4 8 game that you're talking about.
Kate: Oh, I love it.
Doree: But I guess not enough people like Digits because they took it away. They did not make it part of their regular rotation. And now they only have Word games except for Sudoku. So I thought that was interesting. They're also beta testing a new game called Strands. Have you played this game?
Kate: My daughter plays it and really likes it. I've only tried it once.
Doree: I do not love it. I have to say
Kate: Anthony doesn't like it.
Doree: Okay. See, Anthony and I have similar game taste.
Kate: A hundred percent. You do.
Doree: There's too much happening in Strands. There's too many different things. I don't know. I'm not into it. I feel like they overcomplicated it and I don't love it. So I'm curious to see what will happen with Strands. But I do love connections. I find connections very fun and very satisfying.
Kate: It drives me nuts.
Doree: That's so funny.
Kate: I do it, but I don't enjoy it. I almost, it's not pleasurable.
Doree: Right. I am So curious to see how you take to Mahjong.
Kate: I am too. Doree is teaching me Mahjong this weekend. I am so excited. I also just talked to another friend who wants to start a Mahjong group who's never played. And I was like, Doree's teaching. We'll get a table together. I am too. Because when I tried to learn it the first time, I was confused. But maybe,
Doree: But that was, wasn't that also online?
Kate: It was online, yeah.
Doree: Now that I know more about Mahjong and have played more, I think obviously you can learn online. I did learn online, but I think it's much better to learn in person.
Kate: How are you feeling? Do you feel a calling as an instructor and a teacher? Have you ever stepped in those shoes before and are you enjoying that experience? It seems like you are, but I'd love to hear how it's been for you.
Doree: I did some teaching when I was in grad school. I was a teaching assistant and I taught some of my own classes at another college in Philadelphia, and I really did not like it. Now at the time, I chalked this up to, I don't like teaching. I think a couple of things were actually going on. One is that I didn't love teaching college students.
Kate: That's fair, understandable.
Doree: And I think also I wasn't always super into the material and I think it was hard to teach something that I wasn't super compelled by. I am really enjoying teaching Mahjong. I mean, unfortunately, all the things that I'm into now are things for retired people to make a little bit of money on the side and not really a viable career path. So just navigating that, Kate.
Kate: But you enjoy the experience and you feel like you have an ability.
Doree: I mean, I've been told that.
Kate: Yeah. I think it's really cool.
Doree: People enjoy my classes and have said I'm a good Mahjong teacher and I've been asked to come back. So that feels like testimony.
Kate: I can't wait.
Doree: So yeah, so I am enjoying it. I mean, I feel like it's important for people to socialize around games.
Kate: I mean, I think often the happiest point of my week is when I go play pickleball for an hour and a half with other people. We're chatting, we're having fun. And yeah, I am definitely craving that kind of connection. So I'm excited to learn Mahjong to hopefully cultivate that a little bit more.
Doree: Yeah, I mean the goal is for people to be able to host their own Mahjong evenings with a group of people because that I think is that's what you want. I will say I find now I have a few different game situations and I do find the planning of it to be a lot wrangling a group of people is not super fun for me.
Kate: You need consistency and commitment and regularity.
Doree: And the thing is, Mahjong, you're really supposed to play with four people. You can play with three and it's kind of fine, but you're really supposed to play with four. So what I have, in my experience, I'll say now, there's usually at least one, if not more, people who flake last minute. And I don't know if it's just because I've been teaching moms who are busy. I don't know if it's la, I don't know if it's the season. I don't know what it is. But in most of the classes and in my regular games, there's almost always people who flake last minute. And that is really annoying because it messes up the whole balance of the game. So I find that frustrating and there's not much you can really do about it because stuff, obviously stuff comes up, you know what I mean? But that is just, I don't know, maybe this is why retired people will have an easier time. They don't have as many responsibilities and commitments. I don't know.
Kate: That would be my guess. But yes,
Doree: It is it frustrating because it's not just the kind of thing where it doesn't matter how many people you have.
Kate: It does matter. It impacts it.
Doree: It impacts it. Yeah. Poker a full table is 10 people, but you can really play with anywhere from six to 10. So if you've planned it with 10 and a couple people drop out, it's like fine. But in Mahjong, if you're planning on two tables of four and two people drop out, well now you're down to two tables of three and it's just a different game. So I dunno,
Kate: Being retired seems like fun if you have some savings, if you've saved for retirement.
Doree: I mean though, that's the thing, right? It's just like you need to have that money and you need to have that community.
Kate: Yeah, I think community is really, there are so many studies about how human interaction in community helps people live longer, essentially, right?
Doree: Yeah, totally.
Kate: Which is why I think we're all still reeling from the last four years.
Doree: Right. And I think that's partly why I've been trying to cultivate these in-person social activities.
Kate: You've been extremely proactive and I really admire it.
Doree: Thank you, Kate.
Kate: You're welcome.
Doree: Yeah, now I just need to use that energy to get a job.
Kate: But that's a lot less fun.
Doree: It is a lot less fun. And there's also not that many jobs.
Kate: So
Doree: That is another obstacle.
Kate: That is an obstacle. And it's also, I think there's such a psychological element that comes along with that. It's not even just that the job market isn't great, it's that the entire industry that you've been working in is essentially not, it's just, I don't know. It's changed in a way that is soul crushing and that's very frustrating.
Doree: Yeah, I, and then we can take a break, but I think the other thing that is happening is I think a lot of people in my industry and in tech and in these other industries that have had layoffs, people are feeling very gaslit. And I see this on LinkedIn a lot because there's all these headlines about how low the unemployment rate is. And if you kind of dig a little deeper, the unemployment rate is very misleading and does not really take into account the full totality of what's going on in the job market. And so I think for a lot of people it's very disorienting because you see these headlines that are unemployment down to 3.8% or whatever, and it's like, well then why can't I get a job? So there's a big disconnect going on right now, and I think people really feel unacknowledged. I see this sentiment a lot coming up a lot.
Kate: How are people expressing it? I know. Are they posting on LinkedIn or just kind of commenting?
Doree: Yeah, yeah. People are posting on LinkedIn talking about how many applications they've sent out and they've gotten no interviews or they get ghosted or they've been searching for nine months and nothing. And just like all this stuff that is affecting a lot of people. So if you were in that boat, I see you and I'm not gaslighting you.
Kate: I appreciate you saying that.
Doree: Thank you Kate. Well let's take a little break before we hear from some listeners. Oh wait, no, Kate, we had you wanted to talk about a prod.
Kate: I can talk about it after the break.
Doree: Maybe we get to it.
Kate: We've got plenty of time.
Doree: We'll talk about it after the break. Alright, just a reminder before we take a break that we do have a website Forever35podcast.com. We link to everything we mentioned on the show, including the prod that Kate is going to talk about after the break. We are on Instagram @Forever35podcast. We have a Patreon at patreon.com/Forever35. We have our favorite products at shopmy.US/Forever35. We have a newsletter at Forever35podcast.com/newsletter and please call or text us at (781) 591-0390 or email us at forever35podcast@gmail.com. And now we shall take that break. We'll be right back.
Kate: Alright. So thank you Doree for giving me space to talk about this product because I've never had such an instantaneous it works moment with anything really. This is a toothpaste now. I bought this Crest Brilliance toothpaste whitening system is what it's called. And I bought it based on a recommendation from Drew Barrymore.
Doree: Okay.
Kate: And I am pretty sure I stumbled upon this video of her brushing her teeth with this stuff because I was googling whether or not Drew Barrymore has veneers.
Doree: Oh my God. Amazing.
Kate: I'm still kind of fixated on celebrity veneers. I'm rewatching friends and when I watch something old, like an older film or movie, I'll notice how people have their regular teeth. And then I try to Google if they have veneers. Now,
Doree: I love this for you.
Kate: I'm just a very curious person. Anyway, so yeah, I think I was googling Drew Barrymore and I don't think she has veneers because she recommended this Crest Brilliance toothpaste. And in the video she's like, this isn't sponsored. I really like this and it seems to work. And she just brushes her teeth in the video and I don't have a link to this video. I can try to find it. I just truly stumbled upon it. And so of course I bought this stuff and it's a two step thing. You brush your teeth for a minute with one of the things and you spit it out, but you don't rinse. And then you brush your teeth for another minute with the next product and then you do rinse my teeth. Were a little sensitive after, so if the whitening products bug you, it might not be for you. But it really wasn't too bad and my teeth were instantaneously whiter. Not like glowing absurd white, but just noticeably better looking. And I used it again this morning. So I used it last night and I was like, oh wow, this actually makes a difference. And then I used it again this morning and I was like, oh wow, this shit works. And I hate white strips or tooth strips, whatever you want to call them. I can't stand those. They make me gag. I've tried the kind of whitening system where you put stuff on your teeth and you let it dry and then you put up light in your mouth that never did anything. This is so easy. It's just when you're brushing your teeth. And it made a noticeable difference, but not, again, not in a blinding way, which on an episode of friends does happen to Ross. He whites his teeth too much and then he goes to make out with somebody and she turns on a black light and his teeth are glowing.
Doree: Oh my God, that's so funny. But I feel like that's what some celebrity veneers
Kate: Like now, they're blindingly white. Yes,
Doree: They're blindingly white. They're So white,
Kate: So white and I don't desire that. But I do drink a lot of coffee. I don't mind a little freshness on these old chompers. So if anyone tries out this product or has tried it and liked it, let me know and let Drew know. Really. I'll credit to Drew.
Doree: Thank you Drew.
Kate: Alright, moving on to some listener comments and cues.
Doree: Okay, let's do that. All right. Our first is from a listener who texted us and said longtime listener first time texter. Jo. Jo Piazza just made me feel so seen. She said her self-care includes her husband getting up in the middle of the night with her baby because she needs her sleep. Ever since my 19 month old was born, my husband does the morning shift every single morning. I get up in the middle of the night but physically can't wake up early in the morning. Like Jo, I need my sleep. For almost two years now, I have felt such shame, not at all by my husband because it feels like every other mom does both shifts and that I'm terrible because I literally can't wake up in the early mornings. Just nice to know that out there somewhere, some is similar to me. Jo does make people feel seen.
Kate: She does. And I'm glad that you felt seen listener, but I do just want to note that it fucking sucks that you felt shame because partners should be splitting the shifts up your system makes sense. And I think often, especially in heterosexual partnerships, there is not equity. And I commend you for modeling it and I'm sorry that you felt such shame about it.
Doree: Yeah, that's a really good point. Thank you for saying that.
Kate: You're welcome. Anyway, send that message to Jo Doree.
Doree: Oh, I will.
Kate: So we got this text about, we've been talking about friendships and the change when you have a friendship and then it goes away. And that weird feeling, and someone shared this saying, and I actually, this has really resonated with me. So this listener just wrote in, they said a saying that I've lived by for years. You have friends for a season, friends for, excuse me, friends for a reason, and friends for a lifetime. It's easy to see friendships go when you realize some friends are not lifelong friends. And I think what changed my perspective after reading this is realizing that it's not bad if friendships end. It doesn't mean that it was a bad friendship or you had a falling out or there's something wrong that your friendship just kind of died, but rather it ran its course and it fulfilled you during the friendship and now you're onto a new season. I really liked that. I have a lot of grief sometimes about friendships that aren't as strong or have that kind of faded, and it kind of helped me rethink them a little bit and I'll still let go of a little bit of bitterness that I have. Do you have that about friendships at all?
Doree: Yeah, I mean I'm currently navigating this with a long time friend and I don't really know what the outcome is going to be. I don't want to say something that I can't take back. You know what I mean? I don't want to say something in anger or that I regret. And so I've really been thinking about how I want to respond to her because it's obviously in my mind, it's become a bigger thing, this text from a listener. What I'm saying is this is very timely for me, this reminder. So thank you for that. All right. We have a voicemail I'm going to play.
Voicemail: Hey Kate and Doree. This is Joan in Chicago, my first time calling podcast. I have the opportunity to spend this upcoming summer in Italy. We'll be there for just over two months. And I know that there are a bunch of amazing skincare products and makeup products that are only available in Europe. So I was wondering if you'd willing to compile a list of things that I should keep out for to grab and take home or use while I'm there? Thanks so much.
Kate: I don't know if either of us have the expertise in this area to compile a list, but I thought it might be good. Open this up in case people had recommendations.
Doree: Kate, I remember one of the first product recommendations you ever made on this podcast was Nukes Pro.
Kate: I still love it. Right before we started doing Forever35, maybe the year or two prior, I started Hyper fixating, should have really understood what was going on with my brain back then. But this is when I was like, oh, skincare, I'm interested in this. And then it was like French Girl Life, hashtag French girl. What products are they using? And that is when I purchased a bunch of French products from I think frenchpharmacy.com and Nukes wheel protegees, which is a dry oil ascent, a dry oil. I still, I think that's a great product to check out if you're, I'm assuming you can grab it in Italy. I mean, my initial thought is I think it's just fun to kind of browse and see what peaks your own curiosity rather than, I mean there's so many lists of French products to get at the pharmacy if you're in France that you can find online. But I personally find just browsing to be really fun. I do, of course have recommendations just to throw out at this person. In addition to that nukes oil, there's an oil by Joe Way, I'm sure I'm saying this wrong. It's a dry oil, it comes in a spray like a pump. I really like it. I have it. I got a text from a friend who's working in Europe right now and she said that all the girlies there are loving Laroche Poe, SLAs, balm.
Doree: Okay, that's a hot tip.
Kate: I love Ave. I especially love their face cream and they had one that I loved that they discontinued, but I really like their products. I think you can get great sunscreen in Europe. Laroche Poe is a brand again, Ave makes good. I mean there's so much. I would just look at the sunscreen. A three 13 is like a cult fave vitamin A
Doree: Like retinol, right?
Kate: Yeah. That some people swear by. I tried it and I was one of the people who put it on my skin when my skin was still a little bit too damp and then my face itched all night.
Doree: Oh no,
Kate: It's fine. I mean I made it, people love the Theo mean, which is, I think it's like a Vaseline, but more, and
Doree: Someone once brought me a tube of it. Yeah, it's kind of like Aquaphor.
Kate: It's super thick. People put it on their lips. But I remember reading something where I think that's an American interpretation of the product and French people think we're weird for putting it on our lips.
Doree: Oh, interesting. I think you can put on your nipples.
Kate: I think you might be right. It has Calendula and I think it's petroleum. I don't know some other brands that I would look at. Embryo Lease, Kaly Bioderma. There was a brand in this Googling that I was doing called Patika, P-A-T-Y-K-A. That looked interesting. Now I will say Italy to me is like I would look at perfumes. If you are a scent person. There's a lot of old hundred year old perfume houses in Italy.
Doree: Oh, that's a hot tip.
Kate: I once had a scent from a place called, again, everything I'm saying wrong, I'm sure Caria, I had a scent from there that I loved. There's Aqua de Parma, there's a place called a brand called Santa Maria Novella, which looked really interesting. So to me, I feel like Italy, it's cool old perfume airs. It's the bad way of saying it, perfumers. But I don't know, just browse. And if you're like, oh, this looks intriguing, I've never seen this before. Give it a grab.
Doree: I like this suggestion.
Kate: I'm kind of the mindset right now that we all are getting too much information and it's at least for me, and it's taking away from my own curiosity. So I'm trying to remember that to keep that in mind for myself about things. So I'm just sharing that perspective with you.
Doree: Alison Roman had a good newsletter about this recently, specifically actually in the context of going to Paris. But it was also about recommendation culture and getting away from that.
Kate: Yes.
Doree: And she talks about this.
Kate: Okay, I will check that out because I do think things like TikTok has the way it's made certain locations, everybody's got to go to this one place for a picture. And I don't know, it's just kind of made things, I think it's taken the enjoyment out of exploration and
Doree: Okay, I'll check that out.
Kate: Doree, should we take another break?
Doree: Yeah, let's do that.
Kate: Okie doke.
Okay.
Doree: Alright,
Kate: Doree, I put this voicemail on here and I just, I'm going to just share this with you and we can share this with the listeners. I can't remember if we have played this voicemail already. I did a search, I didn't see it, many documents. If this sounds familiar or if we are playing it a second time, I apologize. Tell me if you remember this one, Doree, if we played it before.
Voicemail: Hi ladies, my name is Lauren. I live in Miami and I love your podcast. I've been listening for a long time. I have a question for you guys and for listeners related to skincare and how we handle getting home, washing our face and then perhaps doing it again after dinner. I can't imagine I'm the only person who has this issue, so I get home, but by the time I get home from work and everything, it's like 6:00 PM I have to get out of my clothes, I have to take my makeup off. It's good for your skin to take your makeup off as soon as you can. So I wash my face, do the whole double cleanse, and then this is where I get into the problem. Sometimes I'll do my whole routine at that time, like po eye cream, retinol moisturizer, the whole shebang. But then I'll have dinner and I'm either eating very daintily around my skincare or sometimes with certain foods it's just impossible if it's a messier situation. And in those instances I feel kind of silly because when I go back, I wash my face again, do the whole thing again. It sounds just kind of insane. So what I've been doing lately is doing a little like a skincare snack situation. When I get home, I'll doll wash my face really well, but then I'll just do a face oil. But even then after dinner I go back and wash my face again and isn't that bad for our skin barrier and all that stuff? What do you guys do? Do you just maybe wash your face and put nothing on? I feel very naked in that situation. Sometimes if you don't put moisturizer on, your skin feels real tight in that squeaky clean feeling. So I've tried that. Not good. I'm curious, what are you guys doing when you get home? Yeah, thanks.
Kate: Have we played this before
Doree: This? This quandary does sound vaguely familiar to me. I have a vague recollection of answering something. If not this particular voicemail, then something similar, but maybe it was something else.
Kate: Should we answer it in the off chance that we're doing it again or should we skip it?
Doree: Do you have thoughts about this?
Kate: Yeah. I'm not this thoughtful about my skin. I exercised today in a workout class and I didn't wash my face after. So you're asking someone, at least me anyway, Doree is different. Doree is way better about showering after working out. I know this to be true. I just feel like you're asking, you need to find your people on this also. Everybody's job is different. I sit in front of a computer and I don't see people, some people are working in a hospital, someone is working in front of a stove. The level of needing to wash one's face after anything is different. I would just say to this person, you got to do what feels best for you. But I think if you washed your face when you got home and then I have been using this toner from rx, I think you could use a hydrating product like a hydrating toner or an amp fuel or something that doesn't leave your skin feeling tight. And then when it's time for bed, you could kind of do the second half of the routine because I think washing your face twice, it depends on your skin, but it seems like a little stripping. This toner that I love, I've just started using it, but it's really great. It's the full fit, propolis, synergy, toner, and it's super hydrating. I'm loving it. So you could maybe just wash your face, put on a little bit of this and then maybe give it a second go if you need to kind of get stuff off your face before bed and then do the rest of your skincare routine.
Doree: I like that suggestion. And I was going to say something similar. If you really feel like you need to wash your face the second you get home, wash your face and then maybe just put on a very light moisturizer so you don't get that dryness that you sometimes feel. But also if your skin is really feeling tight after you wash your face, you might be using too much of a drying cleanser, maybe use a balm or something a little gentler. And then I would just put on a gel moisturizer, like a water cream or something, like a thin layer of something just to sort of have it on there and then do your full routine. And if you do feel like, I feel like I still need to wash my face before bed, maybe do an oil cleanser or again, like a balm. Hydrating is just not going to be stripping.
Kate: I like that.
Doree: That would be my suggestion.
Kate: That sounds nice.
Doree: Thank you. Thank you Kate.
Kate: Alright, Doree, let's wrap up our listener comments with this text message. This has been a very skincare heavy episode. I've enjoyed it.
Doree: It has.
Kate: Alright. This person wrote to us, random skincare wreck. It cosmetics changed the formula to their confidence in a cream product. It's what Kate would call a thick cream. Now it feels stingy on my sensitive and dry skin, but the internet showed me two great alternative ikas, good S cream and Paula's choice ultra rich moisturizer.
Doree: Ooh, I don't know Halika.
Kate: I don't either, but I'm giving it. Ooh. Ooh. I am into this price point.
Doree: Oh, it's a Korean brand. Interesting. Okay.
Kate: I've never tried this Paula's choice moisturizer either, but I am into it.
Doree: The Holika Holika website looks like it doesn't ship to the us, but maybe there's another way to buy it.
Kate: Maybes style Vana.
Doree: Oh yeah, maybe style Vana.
Kate: I love a thick moisturizer, especially in dry and cold weather, and I don't like when a moisturizer stings that makes me very upset. So I see you.
Doree: Thank you for this.
Kate: Well, Doree, should we slide into intention, town
Doree: Intention? Let's do that.
Kate: How has it been for you? Last week you said you were going to ease back into society. You were going to reenter the world post sickness. I feel like you're there.
Doree: Yeah, I think I have been reentering the world. I played tennis. My nose was running a little bit, but other than that, I felt fine. I taught some Mahjong. Yeah, I have been venturing out of my home, which feels good this week. I am going to try to just work on my mental health a little bit.
Kate: I'm here for this.
Doree: We'll see how that goes. Okay. What about you?
Kate: Last week I said I was going to clean my desk because it was covered in cans and papers and food.
Doree: And how'd that go?
Kate: I did clean it and I ended up having one of those weekends where I cleaned a lot.
Doree: Oh, nice. That's so satisfying.
Kate: It's so satisfying. It felt amazing. And I made sure to finish the projects because I often start, I'll start the bathroom closet clean out and then I don't finish. And then there's just stuff everywhere for six months. And I made it a point to complete the projects and that
Doree: Oh, that's so nice.
Kate: Was really nice. And I just did an expired medicine and product purge and then reorganized. And
Doree: You've been talking about doing that.
Kate: I got rid of a lot of stuff. Well, I was talked to an aesthetician and they were like, anything that's over a year old, throw it out. I was like, you mean this 4-year-old bottle of SkinCeuticals vitamin C serum?
Doree: And they were like, yeah,
Kate: I didn't reveal that I had that. I was like, this is not great. But yeah. But yeah, I threw that out.
Doree: Okay. That's exciting, Kate.
Kate: It feels good to declutter in that way.
Doree: Good. What about this week?
Kate: Oh my gosh. This week I realized I didn't write something in our little spot. I wrote that I cleaned.
Doree: You were just so excited about cleaning.
Kate: I was so excited about cleaning that I didn't put anything else in. What am I going to do this week? Oh, I have an intention. It's kind of a broader one. I am really enjoying seeing live theater shows.
Doree: Ooh,
Kate: My husband and I went and saw a play here in Los Angeles on Saturday night, and I've seen more standup recently. And I just am like, there's a standup coming at LA who I really like, who I want to see. So I'm just going to kind of try to keep that. That definitely fills my cup.
Doree: Love that.
Kate: So I am going to just make sure I have another thing on the calendar. It doesn't need to be fancy. I just like to go out and see people perform.
Doree: That's so fun for you.
Kate: It is fun. I also really love magic shows. If anyone has any good magic show recommendations. Okay, I love magic.
Doree: Let's keep that in mind for Kate.
Kate: I love magic,
Doree: magic show recs.
Kate: I really do love magic. On that note, Doree, we have come to the end.
Doree: Yeah. So let's let everyone know. Forever35 is hosted and produced by me, Doree Shafrir and Kate Spencer. Produced and edited by Sam Junio. Sami Reed is our project manager and our network partner is Acast. Thanks everyone. Bye.
Kate: Bye.