Listener Q&A: We Are All Sephora Teens

Kate and Doree talk about the Sephora teen panic and Stanley Cup craze, easy moisturizer recommendations, 5-minute makeup routines, and a listener's experience with a facial that caused a breakout. Plus: they have a new conspiracy theory about skincare containers!

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Kate: Hello, welcome to Forever35, a podcast about the things we do to take care of ourselves. I'm Kate Spencer.

Doree: And I'm Doree Shafrir

Kate: And we're not experts.

Doree: We're not, we're two friends who like to talk a lot about serums

Kate: And I actually do want to claim to be an expert on something.

Doree: Okay. I'm listening.

Kate: I mean, maybe I'm not an expert, but I am around teens and tweens a lot.

Doree: You are,

Kate: because I have them in my house.

Doree: You are.

Kate: And I have kind of a hot take on this Sephora teens panic we seem to be in culturally, and I think it also is aligned with the Stanley Cup panic that's happening. Not Stanley Cup panic, like people who want Stanley cups, but this kind of pearl clutching journalism that's happening about all these things. So here's my hot take on everybody shocked that the teens are going to Sephora and shopping and wanting skincare and all the opinions. So I worked at it as a salesperson at the body shop from the ages of 16 to, gosh, I don't know, 19, 20. I spent a lot of time selling makeup and skincare and we always had teens and tweens coming in and they did the same shit. I'm reading about teens and tweens doing, I can vividly remember telling a young girl who had kind of like a goth, punky, teen vibe to not put mascara. She was streaking her hair with a blue mascara and I remember having to go with the sample and I had to go over and be like, you cannot put the mascara in your hair. That's not what it's for. This was always happening.

Doree: Wow. Okay.

Kate: Now, so this leads me to say that this is a cycle that happens every few years.

Doree: Here it is. Here it is

Kate: Nothing new and I actually think it is a reflection of the generation covering it more so than the people living it.

Doree: Wow. Kate.

Kate: I think we have become, this is the moment where we become the generation before us who was aghast at the things we were doing or into or everybody was buying and oh my goodness, why do they all need slap bracelets? I don't think there is anything especially different, unique or troubling about this phenomenon that wasn't also troubling about the previous ones.

Doree: This is Kate's cultural commentary corner, everybody. Yes.

Kate: There's always also a cycle of this kind of worked up opinion about what the young girls are into.

Doree: Totally.

Kate: Also, I did ask my kids because there was an article in some platform that I read, it might've been the cut that was Kids are getting bullied for this $40 water bottle. I said to my daughter, I was like, are people getting bullied for not having Stanley Cups? And she was like, what? No. Now again, again, my sample is one person who goes to one school in Los Angeles, California. Obviously she's not a representative of every teen or tween, but it felt like this kind of thing of I don't understand this and it scares me and so I'm going to this a little bit. I hear a lot of how sad it is that young girls are buying skincare and they think they need to fix their faces and I don't actually always think that's the motivation for why people are into it, but I'm also like, what the fuck? That's exactly not only what we were doing when we were 12 and 13 and for all those reasons that kids now are feeling, but that's what we feel now. And I'm not saying that part. There shouldn't be a cultural shift, but I feel like the lens is always look at these crazy ass kids and I'm kind of over it.

Doree: Wow.

Kate: I don't really get this fired up.

Doree: I love it though.

Kate: This is not to say there aren't massive issues with consumerism pressure to spend materialism, overproduction, the impact it has on the environment.

Doree: Yes, Yes.

Kate: All the other implications. Those are all valid. I just kind of feel like there's always a bit of this hyper reactive thing and again. Hughes pointed this out in her newsletter, which is really great newsletter if you want a newsletter to follow, and she wrote a piece about Stanley Cups a few weeks ago and made the point that I think is pointed out often when it comes to pop culture stuff, which is like no one is giving sneaker heads a hard time for the fucking lunacy that they go through. Collect and sneaker heads tend to commonly be men. I would say predominantly there's no pearl clutching articles about can you believe these sneakers cost $600? Who needs a $600 sneaker? Just fucking let the kids have their overpriced water bottles. Let them have their moment of we don't have to understand why they all want these fucking water bottles. I don't know why this is under my skin so much. Why this? I don't know. It just is like, God, just like let the girls live.

Doree: I love this rant for you. I don't disagree with you either.

Kate: Oh, okay.

Doree: No, I think your comment about generational anxiety is very apt. Oh, also you're drinking out of a Stanley Cup. I just need to note that

Kate: Fucking A. I am.

Doree: For the record.

Kate: Can I also comment on Stanley? A couple years ago, I think it was in 2021, I went camping with some friends and I went to REI and I bought a French press that was on mega sale. I wanted to have coffee while camping and it was by Stanley and I'd never heard of Stanley and it's this amazing French press and it was so discounted and so that was my first, I was like, oh, okay, what's this random a hundred year old camping company? Great. So when the French press camping company became the cool mug company, I too was confused, but you know what? I like my Stanley mug. It's a pretty solid mug.

Doree: Yeah, yeah. Stanley's been around forever. Okay, well let us know in the comments what you think.

Kate: That's my announcement.

Doree: Do you agree with with Kate? I know, I'm curious. I am genuinely curious what people think.

Kate: I also kind of was thinking what was the thing that when we were 12 or 13 that there was a lot of pressure, pressure from our peers to have a thing. What was that? And those are, Anthony talks about this with the sneakers he wasn't allowed to get as a kid. His family couldn't afford the cool sneaker. I think a lot of us have that thing, but I was just kind of wondering what was the item for our age, our generation,

Doree: When I was that age, guest jeans were a big deal and I remember saving up enough babysitting money to go to the Chestnut Hill Mall and buy them and they were $58, which was so much money and I was so lusted after these jeans.

Kate: Doree.

Doree: I mean I bought a pair, so don't feel that bad for me.

Kate: Oh, okay. I was thinking of Reebok pumps. Do you remember those? They had a little, yeah, they had little shape pump. Yeah, either of a tennis ball or a basketball and you would on the tongue of the sneaker and you would pump it and then air would pump into the shoe. I coveted those things.

Doree: I remember also wanting Nike airs.

Kate: Oh yeah, those were cool.

Doree: Those were very cool. And then the whole Jbo Z Cava Richi label on your fly things. That was so strange. I had some of those. That was big.

Kate: That's right.

Doree: I don't remember

Kate: Zeke Hachi. Wow.

Doree: Zeke. I don't remember really any specific beauty or skincare things at that age, but it was a very long time ago.

Kate: I mean, I also remember Sambas were the coolest sneaker when I was in fifth grade. Everybody came. I

Doree: Remember at camp everyone wore Umbr.

Kate: Oh yeah. Umbr were so hot. Those were so cool. Those shorts.

Doree: Yeah, different colored legs. Yeah,

Kate: Different colored legs. One side was a different color.

Doree: Yeah, one side. One side would be blue, one side would be orange. I mean they didn't all look like that, but a lot of them did. And then skids remember those pants?

Kate: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I do.

Doree: Yeah. I mean of course there have been fads as long as people have been people.

Kate: That's right.

Doree: I saw a funny post on Reddit the other day where someone had posted an image of a letter from a Babylonian teen complaining to his mother that he didn't have fashionable enough clothes.

Kate: Stop It.

Doree: It's from 3000 years ago.

Kate: Are you kidding?

Doree: No, I'm not kidding.

Kate: That's amazing.

Doree: I think it was real. And so these are just natural human tendencies.

Kate: What I think is most interesting though is the tendency to as adults not comprehend it or, and I think I feel myself doing this with other things, so it's not like I am exempt from this criticism, but this kind of like, I can't believe this is what they're doing. You know what I mean?

Doree: Yeah, totally. Totally. I mean and I think that has been happening forever, also

Kate: Forever.

Doree: And maybe that is also just another rite passage of getting older

Kate: And I actually think there is value in embracing the part of that. Part of getting older. There is just when my kids are trying to explain all this fucking, you're so ski slang and I'm just like, I don't cannot understand it. They all call each other Pooky.

Doree: Well about Pooky and Pooky, you're looking fire tonight, this whole thing.

Kate: Okay, So I only know about this because our friend Caroline Moss posted this on her Instagram and that was the first, I had never heard of these people and then I watched some of the videos she shared and it was, I had that kind of grimacing feeling radiating through my body. Who are they?

Doree: They Are a couple in Atlanta and the husband is always gushing over his wife who he calls Pooky, her outfits and just saying how hot she looks and he said, this outfit is pure fire. So then Pooky, I think it's Pooky. You look absolutely Fire became like a meme and saying Pooky. So that's it. There were very preppy. They're sort of like, if you imagine Bama Rush people grown up,

Kate: There are Atlanta rich 20 to 30 something.

Doree: Yes. I don't have kids who seem to go out constantly and she's very conventionally attractive, very thin, wears stylish clothes, but there is something very sweet I think about the way her husband is so I mean it's hard on the one

Kate: He's hyping her up. Yeah,

Doree: He's complimenting her now. It's always about her looks, which is like, is that problematic? Maybe? And they're both kind of playing into these very gendered stereotypes if you want to get really deep about it, but I think also you can just kind of enjoy the ridiculousness of it.

Kate: Now I'm reading about them on the cut and did you know this tidbit they met at a wine bar in Philadelphia while Jet was pursuing his joint MBA Slash JD at Penn.

Doree: A fellow Penn Graduate degree. I know this because when I first encountered them it was on, when you start you see the commentary on something before you see the actual thing. So on my TikTok for you page, I was served a commentary on Pooky before I'd seen the original video and I was reading through the comments and someone was like, did you know he's actually a Wharton dual? Yeah. So I actually weirdly did know that. But yes, a fellow Quaker, if you will,

Kate: Pooky and Jet are their names. Could we play one of their videos? Can I think I could share my screen? Couldn't the videos? Yeah. Then we can give people what? Give people what they want, which is Pooky and Jet and hearing what they sound like. Let's see if I can figure out how to play one of these.

Pooky and Jett: Alright, it's a game day. Happy game Day outfit is Fire Pooky. Thank you. Good Lord. Thank you. I have vintage Chanel from cc. Red is like the color of the season, so I've been wearing this bag And the color of the dogs all the Time revolved top candy shorts. These are actually shorts. They look like a skirt. And then Tony Bianco boots. My dates are leaky.

Doree: Okay. We don't care about what Jed is wearing, but I mean, like I was saying, these are Bama Rush videos all grown up. I mean she's doing it in the style of a Bama Rush video. My top is blah blah.

Kate: Also Bianco. What are Louis Bianco Boots?

Doree: No idea.

Kate: No idea. I'm almost embarrassed. That I don't know. And then I just Googled the name Louis Bianco and nobody comes up so I'm clearly getting it wrong.

Doree: Wait, wasn't it? It's Tony Bianco.

Kate: Oh, Tony Bianco. Okay. I think I messed. Okay, Tony. Okay, sorry. Tony Bianco on that note, who is Tony Bianco? Tony Bianco boots. Okay, so Tony Bianco makes boots. Let's see how much, oh, and they sell them at Revolve. She seems like a revolve

Doree: Girly

Kate: Gal. Yeah, sure. I've never purchased a single item from Revolve.

Doree: We're old for Revolve. I'm sorry.

Kate: Yeah, we are. Are We, I don't know. Are we ever, ever aging out of anything? We are. We Do. you feel that? That's the truth. No, no. I'm going to hear you out.

Doree: I do.

Kate: I want to hear you out. I might not agree, but I'll hear you out

Doree: anyway.

Kate: Oh my gosh. Wow.

Doree: How do you feel now that you know all this

Kate: Doree? I feel okay. I feel at peace with Pooky and Jet. I don't feel like I need to have a hot take. That's the other thing that I am really trying to, although now I did come in hot about other people's hot takes on Sephora teens.

Doree: You did?

Kate: But I also do feel like hot take

Doree: Culture.

Kate: Yeah. It's like reached its peak. I don't need to have a hot take about Pooky and Jet. I'm just going to let them,

Doree: let them live. Let them let them live. Alright, we need to take a break

Kate: Let them live. Doree, let's just remind folks before we take a break that everything we talk about, including Pooky and Jet, will be on our website Forever35podcast.com. You can find us on Instagram @Forever35podcast. We have a Patreon with lots of extra exciting bonus content at patreon.com/forever35. Our favorite products can be found at Shopmy.US/Forever35. And if you want to reach us, you can leave us a voicemail, send us a text message. That number is (781)591-0390. You can also email us at Forever35podcast@gmail.com.

Doree: Thank you, Kate. Thank you for that reminder.

Kate: We'll be right. We'll be right back. Okay. Someone had a bad facial and they wrote to us, We got this email. They said a longtime listener here, and I need help caps double exclamation. I recently went for a facial at a spa I had never been to before, but it came highly recommended. Now I don't have a lot of experience with facials. This will have been my third. The facial itself went fine. It felt like the extractions weren't comfortable, but they always, the aesthetician said my skin was really congested and my skin looked great for a day or two after. And still until I started to breakout horribly, my rosacea flared up like it hasn't in years. And I have breakouts all over my cheeks, up to my temples. My skin definitely never reacted to a facial like this before. Is this normal? Is this what people refer to as skin purging? Should I never go back to that spa again? Help.

Doree: Okay, so I believe it was Courtney Ano who we discussed skin purging, and I'm putting them in quotes with, we've definitely had conversations about this and my understanding is that skin purging is mostly not a thing. And if your skin is reacting violently as it seems like it is, that's not purging. That is your skin having a reaction to whatever they put on your skin. I'm going to qualify this by saying I'm not a doctor, I'm not an esthetician. You should call your dermatologist. But to me this doesn't sound great. Kate, what was your reaction?

Kate: I agree that I think you're probably having a reaction to the products that were used on your face and not necessarily the extractions. If your rosacea is flaring out, it says you started to break out horribly and your rosacea flared up

Doree: Like your skin sounds irritated.

Kate: And I think Doree is right that I would talk to a dermatologist. And I also think that this doesn't mean that you can never get facials again, but you might want to go somewhere like a dermatologist's office that is maybe better prepared to handle different skin's needs, whether that's using gentler or different products or kind of going more in depth on different skin types or whatever it is. I don't think the esthetician was bad or the spa is bad. I just think this is not going to be for you and your skin and I'm sorry that they didn't get more information from you about your skin too. I think that's a good protocol. And any good esthetician always checks in first, especially with a new client.

Doree: Totally. I think that's good advice.

Kate: Again, also not a skincare professional, but I would say take it easy on your skin. Gentle cleanser and moisturizer and sunscreen. Gentle. And that's it.

Doree: Gentle, gentle, gentle

Kate: Tender cleanser. Get a tender. Tender cleanser. Tender

Doree: Cleanser. Tender cleanser.

Kate: Get a tender cleanser.

Doree: Okay, let's see. Kate, what else do we have here? We have a text. I have another suggestion for a quick and easy moisturizer. Flamingo has a wonderful spray on moisturizer saved me when I was pregnant from the work of moisturizing my body. I still use it. It's super easy, light, pleasant, smell, great alternative if you don't want to always be using the shower lotion, which can cause some buildup.

Kate: Okay, I need to say that when I saw this text message, it was like I had a full on sense memory experience.

Doree: Go on.

Kate: So Flamingo has in the past, and not for a long time, but they have in the past sponsored this podcast.

Doree: Yes, It's true.

Kate: And so that was how I was first introduced to Flamingo Prods and I forgot how much I freaking love the smell of the Flamingo moisturizer.

Doree: That's right.

Kate: Remember, it had a hold on me and my mother-in-law visited and she loved it and her some flamingo as a gift. I had a real flamingo moment for a while.

Doree: I remember this

Kate: with this line.

Doree: I remember this.

Kate: So I just hadn't thought, I hadn't put this moisturizer on in a while. So I then went to the site and I was like a light moisturizing spray. This sounds heavenly. And I was interested in just what they said at the end of this text. The great alternative if you don't want to always be using the shower lotion, which can cause some buildup. Interesting. I still am a little bit like Huh? About shower lotion, even though I do use it.

Doree: Oh, you do?

Kate: Oh yeah, I know this. I'm on my second bottle of the Nivea shower lotion.

Doree: Okay. Alright.

Kate: Oh, Doree. It is. I will say it is very nice and it's just so easy because I don't know about you, but there's nothing I hate more than getting out of the shower and having to be somewhere and putting on moisturizer on my kind of damp skin and then having to put those limbs into clothing and everything kind of sticks. It's hard to get the clothes on with the moisture body.

Doree: I hear you. I recently went back to an old fave, the Alba Botanica unscented moisturizer.

Kate: Shut Up.

Doree: What do you mean shut up?

Kate: Shut Up.

Doree: Why? Shut up.

Kate: I mean, I mean that in a loving way. That's a classic cut from your life.

Doree: Yeah, I know. Well,

Kate: that big ass bottle from the Whole Foods.

Doree: Well, I didn't get it from Whole Foods, but yes, they've changed the bottle. A lot has changed. The price has gone up. They changed the bottle.

Kate: Of Course

Doree: they have some new varieties of it. But yeah, I came to a very important realization about myself, which is that I will not put on body moisturizer if it comes in a jar. I will only put it on if it comes in a pump and I can just pump it out.

Kate: Okay. This is fascinating because my current body moisture riser of choice is in a jar and that is, and

Doree: It's like one additional step that you just don't want to take, right?

Kate: Yeah, but you know what? This moisturizing cream is amazing. And can I tell you what it is? It's from Kroger.

Doree: Oh Wow.

Kate: From good old Kroger, Ralph's, generic brand. Kroger. Also, in some places in America, you can just shop at a Kroger. It's their moisturizing cream with ceramides and hyaluronic acid. It's a pound for $11. I don't mind the lid. I don't mind a jar.

Doree: So I had a jar.

Kate: The jar is not my barrier.

Doree: That skincare company, Beekman 1802 sent us some products a little while ago and they sent us their moisturizer, which I loved. I loved it. But it was in a jar and I found that I would always be, I would always have a mental excuse to not use it. I also had CeraVe in a jar, like a big old jar of CeraVe body moisturizer. And I was like, I just need to speak my truth. I need to live my truth. Which is my truth is that I will only use a pump.

Kate: Your truth is no jars.

Doree: My truth is no jars. And look, jars I think are actually, you get more product out of jars. I always find that pumps, you never get the last little bit and you have to take the pump out and it's like a whole thing. But

Kate: Oh my gosh, you do the stroking

Doree: Of the pump to get the, so that's a thing. But ultimately I've been using so much more moisturizer ever since I got my pump.

Kate: Now on the jar, I have a jar conspiracy theory. I just want to float by you.

Doree: I love a jar conspiracy theory.

Kate: Have you ever noticed when you get a jar of certain skincare products and you're like, oh wow, this is a huge jar. And then you open it up and really it's like a little bit of product and then it's mostly jar.

Doree: Yes. Or they have cover like an internal cover or something inside. Do you know what I mean? So sometimes there's not even as much product. It's deceptive or the jar itself is really thick and you can't really tell.

Kate: Yes. Oh my God, yes. A thick jar.

Doree: Now there's a

Kate: Little bit of,

Doree: I'm not going to name names, but there is a skincare company that I love. I love their products, but they have very thick jars.

Kate: Sorry, every time you say thick jars, it really makes me laugh.

Doree: Look, they have thick jars.

Kate: What are those two podcasters talking about?

Doree: Thick jars,

Kate: six years into their show, thick jars and how they're a scam. Wait, I'm dying to know the company.

Doree: I'll tell you off that. Yes. I think we should run that. Sammy was just bleeping it out.

Kate: Yes, Please. Because I really like their products.

Doree: Yes. But their jars are very thick.

Kate: Why do you have to scam us with the jars guys?

Doree: I dunno if they're trying to scam us. I think to them thick jar symbolizes luxury.

Kate: I mean my Kroger jar. My Kroger jar is not thick, but I respect a thin jar because it's giving me what I want. I agree.

Doree: I fully agree with you. I'm just trying. I'm thinking about the company's motivation for making a thick jar.

Kate: Yes. I can't hear the word thick jar anymore.

Doree: I'm trying to say it as much as possible.

Kate: I know. I don't know why. I don't know why. Oh my God, that thick jar is really getting me hot and bothered. Well, I don't know. This hit a nerve. I didn't plan on thinking about jars, but I do. Gosh. And we got here also from talking about, remember this started with timeout flamingo spray moisturizer.

Doree: Yes. I know.

Kate: I like a spray.

Doree: I think it's been mentioned on the podcast before, but someone was recently reminding me of that Aquaphor has a spray.

Kate: Yes, I have it. I have it.

Doree: Do you recommend it?

Kate: I spray it on my face.

Doree: Oh you do?

Kate: I would rather have a pump spray. I think it's aerosol. Is that still the same? Oh it's, it kind of just shoots really weird. Yeah. And so it kind of just shoots out and it's cold because it's pressurized and then I think it's fine. And I do have some, but I would rather, what I really prefer is my Vaseline stick. If I'm going to be lubing up my body with something, I put that stick in my purse and just rub it all over my mouth.

Doree: Cause I was thinking about getting it for Henry, he has some patches of dry skin and he unfortunately inherited my eczema and my kp. I'm like, oh, but I'm so sorry. But

Kate: Honestly, I would recommend Kroger's moisturizing cream more than I would the aquifer spray. I love this cream.

Doree: That is Quite a statement.

Kate: It's so freaking great. Yeah, I never thought that Kroger would be the one and it says on the bottle compared to CeraVe moisturizing cream. So maybe it's the same, but just get the Kroger.

Doree: Oh, interesting. Well, I liked the sevy moisturizing cream. I just didn't like it in the jar.

Kate: You know what I'm going to do? I'm going to take the jar and then I'm just going to stick a pump in it and hand it to you. I'm just going to take the lid off and stick the pump in.

Doree: I wonder if Sevy must make a version with the pump. Oh, they do. It's like enormous

Kate: Now. I would say. It literally looks like they do a spin bottle looks, it literally

Doree: Just looks like someone stuck a pump on a jar. That's what it looks like.

Kate: I respect that. That is what I want. Put a pump on a jar.

Doree: Look at this Kate. I'm texting it to you.

Kate: Okay. Sarah v oops. Hold on. Story chare. Oh god, that really is, well you know what? Come to think of it. My Vanna cream is just a jar with a pump on it.

Doree: Yeah. Okay. Well I think we've really gone to the bottom of something here.

Kate: There's a real hierarchy in skincare bottling.

Doree: It's so true.

Kate: And I feel like jars are kind of at the bottom of the barrel, But they deserve, deserve respect.

Doree: They do make a normal looking.

Kate: But why go normal when you can go jar?

Doree: You're so right.

Kate: It's 19 ounces. It's enormous.

Doree: The regular looking bottle is 16 ounces.

Kate: And how much does that cost

Doree: at Target? It costs 1879.

Kate: Okay. Kroger $11, baby.

Doree: Wow.

Kate: You got to Kro it up.

Doree: I got to kro it up. Okay,

Kate: Got It up.

Doree: Oh, but you know what? Oh, you know what? Hold on a second. I was looking at their lightweight formula.

Kate: No,

Doree: Heavy. Your heavy duty formula.

Kate: That's the stuff

Doree: With three essential ceramides is 1839 for, oh no, this is only 16 ounces. It's just a different, it's in jar with a pump stuck on the top. Fascinating. I've learned a lot today.

Kate: I have too. We need to take a break and just catch our breath. Okay. Alright. We'll be back just a minute.

Doree: Wow, that took a turn.

Kate: It really did. It took a turn. The same way a jar curves and is a circle that never ends.

Doree: Wow. I dunno. I don't even know. I don't even know how to respond to that.

Kate: You know what, you don't have to. You can just take it in, meditate on it for a little bit and just let my wisdom wash over you. You,

Doree: I will, I will.

Kate: Doree, we had a couple folks. We had an update to a five minute makeup routine and then a new five minute makeup routine from a listener. Do you want to read this first one?

Doree: Sure. Hi Kat and Dor. You just read my five minute routine and had a question about the concealer along jawline step. I learned this from Instagram or YouTube. Makeup artist Katie Janey Hughes does it and is roughly my age, so I decided to try it out. I don't officially know the original reason she does this, but why it works for me is my face is always slightly darker than my neck, so it kind of lightens the color gradient and makes my face makeup look less starkly different from my neck color. I also have a lot of discoloration slash acne scarring around my chin and it just blurs all that out as well. I guess it could be contouring to now that you have mentioned it, it would make the pit of my cheek and my neck area look darker in contrast. Anyway, hope this helps explain. You know what it does. Thank you.

Kate: Thank you. It does and I love a follow up, so Thank you

Doree: totally.

Kate: Here is another five minute makeup routine that we got. Hey. Hey. Y'all got inspired to send mine after the last episode. I did this before. An unexpected zoom call the other day and was finished in four minutes and 36 seconds. Okay. Number one, tart shape. Tape concealer under eyes, nose crease, bridge of nose blend with knockoff beauty. Blender number two, Mac Studio fixed powder plus foundation. Apply all over with a large fluffy brush. Three tart cheeks stain in tipsy one dot on each cheek and blend with fingers. Four julip creme to powder eyeshadow. Stick just on my lids and blend. This stuff is amazing. One stick lasts forever. It doesn't crease and it comes with this nifty built-in blender thing. Five nick's thicket stick it brow mascara and rich auburn. It's really hard to find brow mascara and auburn shades. And this one is pretty good and inexpensive. I have it. Six eyelash curler and then thrive liquid lash extensions.

Doree: Oh, okay.

Kate: I love it. Also, this came from a Patreon subscriber, so thank you.

Doree: Thank you to them. Thank you so much for that.

Kate: I love this. I also like how they don't do a lip.

Doree: Yeah, same. Same, same.

Kate: This is the magic of the five minute routine.

Doree: It's the magic.

Kate: It's what it is to you. This the magic. You leave out what you don't want. Well, Doree, let's intention it for a moment here.

Doree: Let's do it.

Kate: Last episode, I mentioned how I am working on my new low histamine, low stress lifestyle and I'm just a few days into it, but I would say food wise going well stress wise, not so hot, but we'll keep working. We'll keep working. This is just part of my life this week. I have kind of a very basic intention, which is to turn off all the lights in my house.

Doree: Oh, okay.

Kate: I think we've been wasting a lot of, I think we got to turn the lights off a lot more and I have to be better about making sure the lights are off. If I'm not in a space and I don't need them on turn the lights off, save the electricity. I spent my whole life being yelled at by my mom for leaving lights on everywhere. And I feel like I need to learn that lesson better.

Doree: I hear that. I hear that. My parents were such sticklers about turning the lights off.

Kate: Oh my gosh. Yes. And leaving the heat super low. But these are good money saving life lessons that I wish I could.

Doree: When my parents came to visit visit, they complained that my house was cold.

Kate: Oh no.

Doree: And I was like, excuse me. I learned from watching the thermo

Kate: At 58. Yes.

Doree: Okay, well last week I was going to try to break the curse. The curse doesn't feel fully broken yet. My car is not yet fixed, but I am feeling a little bit more in control of my life in a weird way.

Kate: Good.

Doree: It might all be an illusion, but I'm trying.

Kate: You do d Lulu.

Doree: I'm trying to, you know what I think, and this is a bigger conversation, I think I actually need a little bit more Lulu in my life. I need to be a little bit more Lulu

Kate: Like a little bit more of that blind faith

Doree: Because I find it all too easy to talk myself out of things or just like, yeah, but if you're D Lulu, you just kind of go forth.

Kate: Go forth in D Lulu.

Doree: Okay. So as we're recording this, Los Angeles is predicted to have basically a week of rain, multiple atmospheric rivers coming for us. And when I lived on the East coast, I had diagnosed seasonal affective disorder and I am going to try to lean into the coziness of the rainy days that are coming and not get depressed about the rain. And I realized I'm coming at this from a Los Angeles perspective, but it's a lot of rain also Rain here is different. It's just weird. Rain is weird here. But yeah, that's just my goal for this week.

Kate: I like that goal for you.

Doree: Thank you so much. Alright, well Kate, let's remind everyone that Forever35 is hosted and produced by me, Doree Shafrir and you, Kate Spencer, and produced and edited by Sam Junio. Sami Reed is our project manager, and our network partner is Acast. Thanks for listening. Thick jar

Kate: Jars, forever jar, thick jar. You said it again. Bye bye.

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