Listener Q&A: Skincare For Olds
Kate is being targeted with “anti-aging” skincare ads and Doree discovers she actually does love a robot vacuum. Plus they answer questions from listeners about sharing your life on the internet, financial coaching, Gilmore Girls’ “free mug” energy, and how best to organize jewelry.
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Kate: Hello and welcome to Forever35. This is a podcast about the things we do to take care of ourselves and I am Kate Spencer,
Doree: And I am Doree Shafrir.
Kate: And we are not experts.
Doree: We're not, we're two friends who like to talk a lot about serums.
Kate: I'll have an update for you at some point because I did buy myself a La Mer starter kit from Sephora during the Sephora sale and there appears to be a serum type thing in the kit. It's almost, but I don't know. I had to look on their site because I was like, what did I buy? It was just the cheapest way to get some La Mer and so I was like, sign me up, I'll do it. Boom. But now I'm like, what did I actually get in this little box?
Doree: What did you get? Inquiring minds want to know?
Kate: Well, I got the Creme de la Mer, I got the eye cream and then I got two products that I couldn't even tell you what they are off the top of my head. I don't know their names. They just came in little bottles. I realize that's not exciting. Let me do a better job at telling you what they are. I can tell you, hold on. Okay. One is the treatment lotion, a silky hydrator, which I think you put on before you do other stuff. And then the other thing was, I believe the emulsion hydrating infused emulsion, which I think is just like a lighter moisturizer. So I don't think I actually received a serum.
Doree: Oh, well look at that.
Kate: Which is a bit disappointing, but I received things. I don't quite like they're things. I think they're hydrating things, but yeah, they're not a serum. I do think La Mer makes a serum and I am at peace with not having it. I also want to say that I have been targeted by a new Cetaphil like retinol commercial line that I keep seeing.
Doree: Oh, interesting. Okay.
Kate: Has anyone else been targeted by the Cetaphil new Healthy Renew skincare line? let me know.
Doree: I have not.
Kate: It is like their retinol something or other. I mean, I don't like to use anti-aging, but that is what they are marketing it as. It's theirs. Their older people skincare line,
Doree: Their older people's skincare line.
Kate: I mean, let's be honest, right? That is what it is. I mean, we can dance around the idea of anti-aging, but whatever. Anything that's like this has retinol. That's for people like us.
Doree: It's people like us, old,
Kate: Old Cetaphil's, healthy Renew
Doree: Cetaphil for Olds.
Kate: You know what if we and I were ever going to start a skincare line, I think we could just call it skincare for Olds.
Doree: Yeah, great. Let's do that.
Kate: Just be fucking straightforward with what you're selling here. Also Healthy Renew.
Doree: Yeah. I don't think I would call it anti-aging. I think I would just call it like you're old.
Kate: Yeah. Are you over 40? Your skin's different than it was 15 years ago. You might want to use this because this is the fucking cultural beauty standard we live in. Buy our products. Oh goodness. Well, hi. Welcome to the show. This is a listener q and a episode where we are going to be answering and responding to listener questions and comments. If you would like to reach us, we love to hear from you. Our voicemail and text number is (781) 591-0390. You can also always email us at Forever35podcast@gmail.com. You can also send us a voice memo there. You can find links to everything we mentioned on the show over on our website Forever35podcast.com. We are on Instagram @Forever35podcast. We have so much fun bonus content on Patreon, including weekly casual chat episodes where we just chat.
Doree: We do
Kate: Where it's going to go. We don't know if I'm going to talk about Troy Sivan or Travis Kelsey, but one of them will come up
Doree: Inevitably,
Kate: Inevitably only two people I think about. And that can all be found on patreon.com/forever35.
Doree: And you can shop our favorite products at shopmy.us/forever35. We have a newsletter at Forever35podcast.com/newsletter. And you can call or text us at (781) 591-0390. And once again, our email is Forever35podcast@gmail.com. Before we get to our listener questions, I also just want to put in a plug for my new podcast. Too Much Money with Joe Piazza. It's a real romp.
Kate: It's really fascinating and I already had a real life experience where I was like, I can't wait to write into the podcast and tell them about this.
Doree: Oh my gosh. Well, I can't wait to hear
Kate: What it's your first episode is great. I do want to say that I did selfishly love when you accidentally called Joe, Kate. I felt seen, I felt honored, I felt there.
Doree: Oh my gosh. And I did call her Kate in the first episode, and I've since had to catch myself a few times.
Kate: Well, it's really weird. You and I record podcasts together like 8 billion times a week.
Doree: It's true.
Kate: Anyway, if anyone's,
Doree: I've even started, I've even had to catch myself from calling my husband Kate or to say Forever35 instead of excellent adventure. It all gets very confusing up there in my old brain.
Kate: Well, as you and I have discussed, we are in a podcast, podcast, poly Q where you are the person we circle around and we are all happily. I think someone was like, is Doree doing a new podcast? And I was like, it's okay. We are in an open podcasting relationship. I welcomed Joe into the fold. I love her voice. I love her take on things. I love listening to the two of you Talk.
Doree: That's really funny.
Kate: Your podcast is great.
Doree: Thank you so much.
Kate: Also like Dinosaur Bones,
Doree: I mean, right.
Kate: Doree and Joe talk about ridiculous things rich people do with their money and the first episode handles dinosaur bones, and I do feel like just what self-care must be to rich people. It's like when you watch Gwyneth Paltrow give a tour of her Santa Barbara House and you're just like, what is happening in this underground bunker spa that you have?
Doree: What so much, so much is happening. Well, Kate, let's get to some emails from our listeners. We got some good ones.
Kate: This was a really interesting email that we got. Actually, I think it just came in today and I found this to be a thought provoking question. Shall we pose it?
Doree: please.
Kate: Okay, this listener writes. Hello. I hope you are both well, I'm doing okay. How are you doing Doree?
Doree: I'm alright. Yeah, thanks.
Kate: Okay, well thank you for asking listener. I'm writing in to ask your thoughts on sharing personal experiences online. My husband and I have been dealing with infertility for five and a half years, unexplained infertility, and I'm contemplating sharing my experiences online, specifically on YouTube. I have found a weird comfort in following the journeys of other people in similar situations such as Doree and would like to give back to the community in that way. I also think that documenting what I'm going through might be a good way to process everything rather than having it just bouncing around in my head at the same time. It's obviously a very personal topic, which makes me hesitant to share. What are your thoughts about sharing things like this online? Love the podcast.
Doree: I mean, well first of all, I'm sorry that you've been dealing with infertility for five and a half years. That is, it's just the worst. Second of all, I mean, I have no regrets about sharing my experience with infertility online. But yeah, I mean, I think it is very vulnerable. You have to be prepared for people who you don't know knowing very intimate details of your life. And you also, I think have to be prepared for some people to judge you in ways that feel weird because they feel like they can do that because you've put yourself out there. Now, all that said, I think that the more people that talk about this stuff, the better. And the more people that can find community with other people who are going through this the better. So I'm in favor of it, but it's just like you have to kind of ask yourself if you feel up for it.
Kate: I think that's very good advice.
Doree: Thank you. Kate.
Kate: I would suggest sitting down and thinking about what your boundaries are.
Doree: That's a good idea
Kate: For what you are willing to share and give of yourself and what you're not. And I think one really important thing to reflect on is that it's okay to change your mind. I have mixed feelings about sharing online honestly. And I think it can be like Doree said, so powerful and empowering. And also, like Doree said, really amazing to find community in that way. But it also can be very vulnerable and you might stop. You might not want to do it. You might stop, you might change your mind. You get to have a say. I think that we can get kind of caught up in feeling like we have to keep doing something, especially when there's people anticipating our share or our content. And it's okay to pause because it can be very vulnerable to share yourself in that way.
Doree: The other thing I will say is like, yeah, kind of to Kate's point, you decide what you want to share. Sometimes people write into our show and ask questions that I'm like, no, I don't feel like talking about this. And that's completely your right to decide.
Kate: Yes. I think you're totally right because people can choose not to keep engaging with whatever you're sharing if they aren't satisfied, right? Yep, exactly. Good luck.
Doree: Good luck.
Kate: That's really intense. Be thinking of you Doree, a message from someone who resonated with a couple of our recommendations
Doree: Should I read it?
Kate: I would like to hear your voice read this.
Doree: Oh, okay. Doree, Kate, just wanted to say, I've tried out two of your recs recently and they were fab. I love the bumble and bumble. Don't blow it. Fine Hair Styler. And I like the sports bra. Kate recommended so much that I bought a second. Thank you.
Kate: I am wearing that sports bra right now. What
Doree: Is that sports bra? I don't remember what it is.
Kate: It's from Athleta.
Doree: Oh wait, which one?
Kate: It is the ultimate Ease bra and I got it in the double Ds.
Doree: I'm going to look that one up. I like the long line bra.
Kate: The long line bra. Is that from Athleta?
Doree: It is
Kate: Athleta Long line bra. Ooh, I like this.
Doree: Yeah, I like it. And it also comes in the D and double D sizing.
Kate: Yeah, we need the larger boob representation. And I bought that hair product from Bumble and Bumble and it's worked out well for me.
Doree: Oh, I'm glad to hear that, Kate.
Kate: I also have been playing around with the GHD Glide smoothing hot brush.
Doree: Ooh, that's exciting.
Kate: And I've kind of been using them in tandem. I air dry my hair with that bumble and bumble stuff and then style it and scrunch it up and then the next day when it's all slept on, I just smooth it out with that GHD brush.
Doree: Okay. Wow.
Kate: That's what I've been up to. Yeah. And you're supposed to use that brush on dry hair. Do not use it on wet hair.
Doree: Okay.
Kate: But I like it. I like that little brush. Who knew that was going to sneak out and be a fave.
Doree: I love that. Well Kate, let's take a little break.
Kate: Okay. Okay.
Doree: And hear from some more listeners when we come back.
Kate: Okie do. Alright.
Doree: Okay, we are back with a text. Hi. I'm looking for a financial coach. I remember years ago Doree mentioning someone she met with to help her. Is he still working as a financial coach and if so, what is his name? I can't find the episode. This information was shared in. Thanks. He is still working as a financial coach. His name is Dylan. His website is dylanteachesfinance.com. And that's Dylan, DLYAN. I don't work with him anymore, not for any real reason. We just kind of stop doing it. But he's great. He's not a financial planner. If you're looking for a certified financial planner who's going to be like, here's where you should invest your money. He's not that, but he will help you budget and figure out if you have a savings goal, he'll help you get there. He'll help you navigate stuff with your partner if that's an issue. So I highly recommend him. He used to give people 20% off. If they mentioned my name, I dunno if he still does that, but you can always try.
Kate: Can't hurt to try.
Doree: Can't hurt to try. But your initial consultation with him is free.
Kate: How did you find him originally? Doree? Was he recommended to you by somebody?
Doree: He was recommended to me. He used to live in LA and he worked with a lot of UCB people actually.
Kate: Oh, a private citizens brigade.
Doree: And someone recommended him and I liked him. He pivoted to being a financial coach.
Kate: Very cool.
Doree: Yeah, it was actually, we'll take this out, but it was in the pile. I think it was Anna Lane who initially referred me to him.
Kate: I didn't know that.
Doree: Yeah.
Kate: Alright, well here we have just kind of a general observation shared from someone just rewatching Gilmore Girls. And I'm pretty sure the intro for season one episode 12 implies that both Lorelei and Rory are free muggers a perfect candidate for next season of season one.
Doree: Wow.
Kate: Now I have a lot of thoughts here because I've never, once I've watched one episode of Gilmore Girls and I think it's episode six, and that's because I was a guest on the podcast Gilmore Guys. And I think people have this misconception of me that I am a Gilmore Girls watcher. I give off that vibe. I give off a Gilmore Girls vibe. I couldn't do it. I couldn't get into it. So I'll never know if Lorelie and Rory are free muggers, but I take your word for it. They seem chaotic in a way that makes me feel like they free mug.
Doree: Oh, that's very interesting. And I'm glad you admit that it's chaotic.
Kate: Oh, a hundred percent. I mean's it's risky, it's wild, it's vibrant, it's life, it's energy, it's everything.
Doree: Okay.
Kate: Do we think that Amy Sherman Paladino, who I believe is the creator of Gilmore Girls, is a free mugger?
Doree: I mean that would not surprise me quite honestly.
Kate: She has free mug energy a little bit, I would think.
Doree: She does have free mug energy. I agree with that.
Kate: I would love to have her on the podcast just to ask her about her relationship to hats because this woman wears.
Doree: I was just going to say, she's also a free hat wearer.
Kate: Yeah. She wears hats more than anybody maybe except slash but slash wears the same hat. And Amy Sherman Palladino mixes it up, but she's always in a funky hat. We've never talked to anybody who expresses with hats. But I would love to hear from someone, are you a hat person?
Doree: Are you a hat person?
Kate: Truly. The hats to me are the final frontier of style. I don't ever style myself with a hat.
Doree: No, me neither.
Kate: And I feel like there's the pumpkin spice white millennial lady hat, but then there's a whole other world of hats out there.
Doree: There is a whole world of hats out there.
Kate: I'm not stoned. I'm just curious about hats.
Doree: So my only contribution to this discourse is that when I went to high holiday services, there was a woman sitting two rows in front of me, but directly in my sight line who was wearing a very large hat as a fashion statement. And it wasn't like a church hat, it was like a hipster hat. But I was like, it blocked my whole view.
Kate: You what? This is a choice.
Doree: It was very weird. It was a choice. I felt weird.
Kate: Arent you supossed to take your hats off in religious places.
Doree: I felt weird asking her to take it off. I was like, maybe there's something going on with her hair that she's embarrassed about. So she put on a hat. She did not take that hat off. And in fact, a couple of times she adjusted it so she was all in on the hat.
Kate: I mean, you do make a good point. Sometimes people do wear hats if they don't want, I mean, there's a variety of reasons someone might be drawn to a hat. But that is an interesting choice. That is an interesting choice.
Doree: It was an interesting choice.
Kate: I'd love to hear again from the hat wearing community and I mean this doesn't even touch on what are those things that people in the UK wear
Doree: Fascinators?
Kate: Yes. This doesn't even get into that, which is its whole thing. And that's a fascinating world to me. I've always wanted to be the person who shows up here in the United States at a wedding, in a fascinat, because nobody really does that here. I don't even know where to get one. Well, you know what? I don't think we're going to watch Gilmore Girls for if we a continuation of season one. I kind of want to veto that right now. I don't think I want to watch Gilmore Girls. Do you feel calling to watch Gilmore Girls?
Doree: No, I don't feel called to watch Gilmore Girls, so I'm fine with that, Kate.
Kate: Okay. But maybe we'll be convinced. Okay. Doree, we received a voicemail from a fellow neurodivergent person who wanted to recommend an app to us and to our listeners that works for them. It's an app I've tried, so I'm very curious to hear if you've used this too.
Doree: I believe I have.
Voicemail: Okay. Hi Kat and Dor I'm Leah. I was just listening to the pod with Kate talking about her adventures with Todoist and the perpetual list making that is having a DHD. I'm similarly squiggly brained, just got diagnosed earlier this year. But the thing that's helped me in terms of lists, not to give you an extra option, but I use Notion and I use Notion for everything. I use Google Calendar and Notion, and that is it because you can completely customize it. It's a little bit of a learning curve in figuring out how to use all their templates and what ways work for you. But I can highly recommend this because that's where I keep everything from work to personal and it's all under different headings. And it's honestly helped me so much when I've landed on the right types and formats of to-do lists within that software. So can highly recommend, you can use it on your phone and your desktop. Everything updates. It's magical. I teach workshops in there and everything. So just to recommendation from another ADHDer. Love you guys. Bye.
Doree: I did try to use Notion.
Kate: Me Too. Couldn't do it.
Doree: It didn't stick.
Kate: I have found, and I would love if people use it and maybe even this listener, not to put more work on you listener, but if you notion is essentially almost like a blank page for you and you can go in and kind of make it whatever you want, almost like a hub and they have templates and then you can kind of create your own. And I just found it to be overwhelming and there were so many choices slash I had to of figure it out on my own that I couldn't handle it. I don't know. I can see how I know a lot of people love it and I think a lot of people use it as a place to create study guides. A lot of students use it to kind of manage their lives.
Doree: Yes, it seems, I think I first learned about it on TikTok. I think it's big in Gen Z.
Kate: Well maybe that's why our brains couldn't handle it. No, I'm kidding. That's not why. It's funny, I've recently gone back to Notion a few weeks ago and was trying to play around with it as I was coming back to Todoist. And that was one of the reasons I was like, stop trying other apps and just go with what seems to be working and figure out your own system. But I'm glad that this system works for this listener.
Doree: I mean, I'm back to freaking Notes app,
Kate: But listen, the random Man that I found on YouTube talks about ways, the ways in which you can really use the Notes app to your advantage, like the tips and tricks of it. But that's great. Apple has its own programs that you can use for life organization.
Doree: Totally.
Kate: So you got to go with what works for you Doree,
Doree: I wish, you know what? I wish that Google had a better to-do list. I don't know, whatever that integrated with Google Calendar better. I don't find their tasks or reminders things to be very useful for some reason.
Kate: Insane.
Doree: So I am just back to the Notes app. And actually I just remember I can check something else off from today.
Kate: Oh, congrats.
Doree: Thank you so much, Kate.
Kate: That's the best feeling.
Doree: It is a good feeling. It is a good feeling because I dunno.
Kate: Well, and the Notes app makes it easy for you to make a little checklist.
Doree: Yes, that's exactly what I do.
Kate: Yeah, I think that's like, can
Doree: I just turn it into a checklist and then I check the things off?
Kate: It's working for you.
Doree: It's working for me. You know what, Kate? I realized that this is not the part of the show where we talk about stuff, but I was just reminded of something, which is I've been using the Roomba.
Kate: Well this is coming out of left field
Doree: And we haven't talked about it.
Kate: Wow. I need to hear more. You finally got your Roomba. You have a Roomba.
Doree: I have a Roomba. So Roomba was an advertiser a long time ago, and they sent us,
Kate: let's say at least three years ago.
Doree: They sent us Roombas. And you used it and loved it. And I was like, my dog is going to lose his fucking mind if I set the Roomba loose in my house.
Kate: That seems fair.
Doree: Not to mention, I also had a very small child at the time and I was like, this could be bad. So I put the Roomba away in a closet and honestly forgot about it. And then a couple weeks ago, Henry's nanny was looking for something in the hall closet and she was like, you guys have a Roomba. And I was like, oh yeah, we do have a Roomba. And she was like, can I set it up? And I was like, go for it. And then Henry got really into the Roomba.
Kate: Oh.
Doree: And now he's at the age where he thinks it's very cool and knows how to use it. And then today when Henry was at school and Bo was at doggy daycare, I let the Roomba loose in my house for an hour and it just did its thing. And I was like, wow, I get it. I get it now.
Kate: It's kind of an amazing invention.
Doree: It's an amazing invention. So I realize I'm 10 years late to the Roomba, but I just wanted to share that I'm on board.
Kate: You're literally riding around on that Roomba.
Doree: I am riding around. It's a little go-kart around the Roomba. Yes, the Roomba
Kate: It is a Roomba is great. I find any sort of robotic vacuum. It can make a huge difference.
Doree: Yes.
Kate: Especially if you've got animal hair in your house.
Doree: Totally. Totally. Which I do. Which I do.
Kate: Well that was a surprise.
Doree: That was a surprise. That was a surprise segue.
Kate: You really took me somewhere. I didn't know we were going to go. I didn't know it was going to be a
Doree: I know. I know.
Kate: But I'm okay with it. Oh my gosh. Okay. I have to tell you something.
Doree: Oh, Okay.
Kate: Okay. Let's play this voicemail and then we can talk about what this listener is referencing. It really made me chuckle and then I'll tell you something. Okay. It's not very exciting.
Doree: Alright, well you know what? Actually we should take another break.
Kate: Oh, I forgot about that. I forgot about how this podcast works. How podcast.
Doree: Sorry.
Kate: Yeah. Breaks.
Doree: Okay. Alright, here we go. Alright, we are back and we have a voicemail.
Voicemail: Hi y'all. I was just listening to your episode about the Sephora sale and I had a realization that I thought you would appreciate and it's that cleansers and face wases are the honey do melon of skincare gift sets. And by that I mean it's the filler item that you find in every single gift set or fruit salad. And no one really wants it. No one is buying the gift set for this face wash. No matter how much he made like the drunk Elephant jelly cleanser. And I agree, it's a good one. Those are my thoughts. enjoy.
Doree: Wow. Wow. Okay.
Kate: What do you think about this?
Doree: I hear what this listener is saying and I don't disagree. I don't disagree.
Kate: I thought this was a fascinating observation. Now this is based after, I think you and I declared that Milky Ways, Milky Ways and Three Musketeers or the Honey Do melons of Candy of Halloween candy.
Doree: Yes, we did say that.
Kate: And I will tell you, I was at a restaurant and walking out of the lobby and there was a basket of candy and I went to reach in and it was just three Musketeers. And I was like, no, how dare you.
Doree: No, no.
Kate: We received a lot of feedback that did not agree with our feelings about these candies, especially Milky Way.
Doree: I get it. But those people are wrong.
Kate: Don't cross Doree when it comes to Milky Ways. She's not having it.
Doree: I'm not having it.
Kate: You know what? Last night I was with my kids and we were watching our favorite YouTube family, the Norris Nuts. And so the Norris Nuts is an Australian family with six kids. Their dad was an Olympic swimmer, Justin. And I'm obsessed with the Norris nuts now. And this was an episode with the three oldest daughters, Saki, NAZ, and Saber. Those are their names. They were opening Advent luxury beauty, advent calendars. So we watched this one when they opened the Mac Advent calendar.
Doree: Oh my gosh.
Kate: And the amount of lipsticks that they got in this. And you could see the disappointment on their faces.
Doree: Yes.
Kate: I was just like, seriously, another fucking lipstick. To which as I was watching this, I was like, I think these Advent calendar, they're just a way for these companies to get rid of product that's not moving. Right?
Doree: Totally. Yes.
Kate: Don't spend $400 on a luxury beauty advent calendar.
Doree: No, don't do it.
Kate: You're just going to get a lot of lipsticks from Mac. And it was too much. It was just lipstick after lipstick and then the occasional other thing. And it was very disappointing for the Norris nuts.
Doree: That's very disappointing.
Kate: It was hard for them. Alright, well we've got one more voicemail.
Doree: Okay.
Voicemail: Hi Kat and Doree. This is Samantha calling from State of Washington. My question is about organization of accessories, not skincare related. I would love to know what you all do or what other listeners of the podcast do. Organizing three things. How you organize your makeup. Is it in a caboodle? Is it in a drawer? What does that look like? Jewelry. I still cannot at the age of 37, figure out how to organize without having a jewelry box. That's too big's too small, ends up a knot. How do you travel with jewelry without losing stuff or things ending up a knot? And lastly, hair accessories, headbands, hard headbands, sports headbands where you keep your rubber bands, all things I still cannot seem to get organized without losing stuff or it just becoming a mess on a regular basis. So would love to know what you both do. Love the podcast. Thanks for all you do. Listen every week and take care. Bye.
Kate: I have some thoughts. So I'm not especially great at organizing, but I have done some things that really help for jewelry. I purchased some things called stackers from the Container store. And this is stackable jewelry storage. And I have my jewelry stored that way for travel buy yourself, A travel jewelry case. I bet you could find one in a buy nothing group that somebody's not using. I know Cal Pack makes one. I bet Stackers makes one. I mean, you could probably find a million on Amazon or at Target wherever. But you want a travel jewelry case to keep things organized. And that will actually help you keep things from getting tangled while you travel. Don't throw them into one bag altogether. You do need actual. I do think this is actually an important thing to have if you are a person who wears and travels with jewelry. for makeup. Did they say makeup? They said hair accessories.
Doree: They said hair. Yeah, hair things
Kate: For hair things. I have my drawers kind of. I have drawers by a sink and those are organized with these little plastic bins that I got from Target. And that's where I have some rubber bands and the like. And then I have these stackable clear plastic storage bins that are on, they're on Tiny Wheels and they are in the bathroom cabinet that I have. I'm trying to, I will try to find a link. I know they're from the container store and they can stack on the other. And this is where I have scrunchies, weird headbands. Again, it's not perfect. Stuff is shoved in. It's not gorgeous to look at. But things are kind of sectioned off in a way that I feel like I at least know where stuff is and everything has a home.
Doree: Okay. Yeah, that's reasonable.
Kate: How about you?
Doree: It's chaotic. It's just chaotic. I don't have a great system.
Kate: Also. You're not a jewelry wearer really. Do you do have a lot of jewelry?
Doree: No, but I do have some jewelry. What I have are those things that you install in the wall that have little pegs that I hang necklaces and bracelets and some other, and actually I do sometimes put scrunchies on there.
Kate: Yeah. Scrunchies are annoying to store.
Doree: They're annoying to store.
Kate: They're bulky and weird.
Doree: Yes, they're annoying to store. I agree.
Kate: There's not a great way to do it anyway. How do you do it? Anybody else?
Doree: Let us know.
Kate: Let us know. Another thing that's annoying to store hair clips looks like big claw clips. They're fricking annoying to store and they're everywhere in my house.
Doree: Annoying to store. Yeah.
Kate: Annoying.
Doree: Annoying.
Kate: So let us set some intentions for this week.
Doree: Let us do that. Kate
Kate: Doree. It's the holiday season. My intention last week was to let the holidays be a season of joy and reflection. I don't feel like I have done that. I feel like this has been a hard month and I am just kind of trying to keep my head above water. I haven't even really, it doesn't even really feel like the holidays for me. It just feels kind of like, ugh.
Doree: Yeah.
Kate: So didn't really hit it there with that last one. But they can't all be winners.
Doree: Dont I know it.
Kate: Right. This week I have kind of a weird intention, which is just to drag my heels. And I actually think what I was meaning by this is just to kind of slow down and take a breath and try to ground myself because I am just feeling like I'm kind of flying through life and not completely present.
Doree: Yeah, I hear that.
Kate: And so I'm just trying to take a beat, slow myself down, take a breath.
Doree: Easier said than done.
Kate: Way easier said than done. But that's the whole point of this is just to try see what happens.
Doree: I mean, I am feeling that too. And as we're recording this, I mean, as this is airing, Hanukkah starts a week later, so it really does feel like the holidays are here, everything is here. So my intention this week is to kind of figure out how to do the holidays, because last year Henry got very overwhelmed by all the presents that he got.
Kate: Oh yeah.
Doree: We do Chrismakka, as discussed,
Kate: Use our present day Cohen family
Doree: On the last episode of the OC that we recapped on the Patreon, it was the episode and we do Christmas and Hanukkah here. And I hadn't really thought about it because as a kid, to me it seemed like that was the dream to totally get Christmas and Hanukkah. Oh my God.
Kate: Yes. Agree.
Doree: But then after last year when he was like, I don't want, by the time Christmas rolled around, he was like, I do not want any more presents. And I was like, oh, it's actually kind of overwhelming. And the whole ritual of getting gifts is also overwhelming and the expectations. And I was just like, oh, this is a lot for him. So I'm trying to figure out a different way of celebrating both holidays that feels good for everyone. That's my intention.
Kate: I love that. Doree, you do a gift for every night of Hanukkah.
Doree: We do.
Kate: Or a family member sent gifts and stuff like that.
Doree: Yeah, because my sister sends a gift. My parents send a gift. My brother sends a gift. We do a book night, but just, it ends up just feeling like a lot. And then Christmas, it's an orgy of gifts and so it's too much. And I think he has said that. He said in the past for his birthday, he only wants one present. I think actually getting presents overwhelms him.
Kate: Yeah. You can feel the excess and the expectation and the stress of, I mean, it's really amazing that he can even communicate and feel that. That's really incredible, frankly.
Doree: Well, yeah.
Kate: He's incredible.
Doree: So I want to kind of meet him where he is.
Kate: I love that. I think, and as we obviously know as humans, but it gets forgotten. These holidays are really, neither are about presents at their core.
Doree: Right? Totally. Yeah.
Kate: How are you people handling the holidays out there?
Doree: Let us know.
Kate: Tell us how to do it. Tell us how to get through it. Well, Doree, this brings us to yet another end of a Forever35 podcast.
Doree: Indeed it does.
Kate: Which is hosted and produced by you, Doree Shafrir and me, Kate Spencer. It's produced and edited by Sam Junio. Sami Reed is our project manager, our network partner. We will talk to you all next week.
Doree: Bye.