Mini-Ep 371: Pubic Hair Don't Care
Kate and Doree get excited for the Forever35 Live show this Wednesday, and hear from listeners about their memories withNair and Noxzema, medium-coverage foundations, and societal expectations around bikini line hair removal.
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Transcript
Kate: Hello and welcome to Forever35, a podcast about the things we do to take care of ourselves. I am Kate Spencer.
Doree: And I am Doree Shafrir,
Kate: And we are not experts.
Doree: No, but we're two friends who like to talk a lot about serums,
Kate: And this is a mini episode where we hear from you, we share your comments and your thoughts, and we answer your questions to the best of our ability
Doree: Indeed. But please do remember, we are podcast hosts. We're not experts, and we always encourage you to seek support first and foremost from a medical and or mental health professional as needed.
Kate: If you want to reach us, please send us a text message or leave us a voicemail at (781) 591-0390. You can also email us at Forever35podcast@gmail.com,
Doree: And you can visit our website forever35podcast.com for links to everything we mentioned on the show. Follow us on Instagram @Forever35podcast and join the Forever35 Facebook group at facebook.com/groups/Forever35podcast. The password is serums. You can also sign up for our newsletter at Forever35podcast.com/newsletter, and you can shop our favorite products at shopmy.us/Forever35
Kate: And two days from today's episode, we will be doing our live show. This is the really, the first time we've ever done anything like this.
Doree: Yeah, it's exciting.
Kate: So here's how. Here's going to go down Wednesday, February 22nd, 5:00 PM Pacific, 8:00 PM Eastern Tickets are currently $10. You can get those at moment.co/Forever35. You can also buy a ticket and you don't have to watch the show live. It'll be available on demand for a week, and then immediately after the live show, there will be an after party tickets are $5. You're going to end the night with us doing some skincare sharing, some final thoughts and intentions before we hit the hay. And I did just want to note, because we had some folks ask the live show that starts at 5 Pm Pacific. That should be about an hour, and then the after party, which is immediately after will be about 30 minutes.
Doree: So if you're on the East Coast, you should be all done by 9:30 PM
Kate: We'll get you to bed.
Doree: And then if you're on the West Coast with us, you'll be done at 6:30
Kate: Time for dinner
Doree: Time for Dins,
Kate: Time for the dindins. So we're very excited.
Doree: Yeah, it's going to be fun. We've been talking a lot about what we're going to do.
Kate: Yeah, and like I said, we've never done, we haven't really done anything like this. We've done Instagram lives and you and I have done kind of individual book events where the other participates, but I can't think of, we've never really done a specific Forever35 live show.
Doree: Yeah.
Kate: Anything can happen.
Doree: Well, yeah, I mean, I feel like we've mentioned this before, but we were kind of gearing up to possibly do a tour right before the pandemic, like an actual,
Kate: Those were the days
Doree: An actual tour and then the pandemic hit, and then here we are
Kate: Three years later,
Doree: Yeah, three years later we're doing a virtual event.
Kate: I mean, truly you're right because three years ago during this time we were working with a freelance producer who produces live events and having zooms about it.
Doree: Yeah.
Kate: Oh my goodness. We could have hit the road and instead we're hitting the digital road, which is fine. We've all adapted as best we can.
Doree: It's true. Well, and the other thing we should mention, sorry, one last thing about the show. We're going to have some new merch that we're debuting at the live event, and then there's also going to be merch that will only be available at the live event.
Kate: Yeah,
Doree: Yeah. That's all I'm going to say.
Kate: Exclusive
Doree: Exclusives.
Kate: We're so excited.
Doree: That's all I can say right now.
Kate: Okay. Well listen, we really hope to see you there. We're so pumped for this and if it goes well, maybe we'll do it again. Who knows.
Doree: Who knows, anything could happen.
Kate: Anything could happen. One thing that won't happen though is we won't sit in silence during this live show. I feel like we are going to be pretty amped.
Doree: Oh yeah.
Kate: We're going to be peppy.
Doree: Totally.
Kate: I tend to get a little spunky when I'm in front of a live audience.
Doree: Oh, hello,
Kate: Look out
Doree: Look out everybody.
Kate: My energy goes through the roof. Well Dor. Let's hop in and hear from some listeners. So we've been running on Friday's our new episode segment called Product Recall, which is, as we should clarify, a place where we recall memories, histories, interesting facts about an iconic product. We're not sharing a product that has been taken off the shelves.
Doree: To be clear.
Kate: To be clear. Although wouldn't that be a wild coincidence?
Doree: I mean, we might end up doing a product that has been recalled. Actually recalled,
Kate: Yes. Oh, that would be a fun double whammy. So if you haven't tuned in yet, we're having a lot of fun making those and there's a lot of lols. There's some roleplaying. It gets real, gets goofy
Doree: And a lot of mems, lot of memories
Kate: A lot of mems. I thought you were saying memes in a fancy way and I was like, no. Does Doree not know how to say memes. A lot of mems, a lot of mems about ourselves, which is can be dark,
Doree: But also fun,
Kate: But also fun. Have I ever told you, when I was in eighth grade, I used to wear condoms as a lapel to promote safe sex.
Doree: Excuse me.
Kate: I've told you this, right? I haven't told you this.
Doree: No, you have not Kate.
Kate: I was like a safe sex advocate.
Doree: Oh my God.
Kate: I wasn't sexually active, but I would wear a blazer and then I would pin a condom. I probably must have gotten this from left eye and tlc, right, because didn't she wear condoms?
Doree: Oh my god. Kate used the most nineties thing I've ever heard.
Kate: I know. I used to wear condoms on my jacket.
Doree: Stop. Were you at a girl school by this point?
Kate: Yes. I started at an all-girl school in sixth grade and I attended through 12th grade.
Doree: Okay, so you're wearing condoms on your blazer.
Kate: Yeah. I used to go to Condom World on Newberry Street in Boston and buy
Doree: Stop.
Kate: Yes, and buy condoms. And now that I'm saying this, I'm pretty sure it must have been because from, I think it was left eye in TLC who wore condoms. Maybe it was all of them. It could have been T-boz. No, it was Left Eye. She used to wear condoms on her glasses and on her shirts. That must have been my inspiration. I know. I'm Googling the real reason why TLC used to wear condoms as accessories. They did it and I loved them and I must have been inspired and mimicking them.
Doree: Wow. Kate, you have kept this from me.
Kate: I swear. I thought I have mentioned this before.
Doree: Nope. I would've remembered this.
Kate: Can you imagine me as a safe sex activist as a 13 year old.
Doree: I mean, I kind of can because it was so of the time. I volunteered at the AIDS action committee and worked with, I did stuff with kids who had HIV safe sex was just so in the ether and aids and it was such a weird time. So it, it's amazing. It doesn't totally shock me because that was the era that we went to high school, middle school and high school in. Can you imagine? Oh, it's wild.
Kate: No. Now picturing my middle schooler coming home wearing a condom, and I would be like, what are you doing? I mean, I would be like, that's cool because obviously having safe sex is still important to this day.
Doree: Totally. Of course.
Kate: But the conversation has changed, so I mean, it's just wild to think about the ways in which times change and conversations change. But how cutting edge was that? I mean, look how fucking cool was TLC. That's a whole other conversation.
Doree: Totally.
Kate: They changed the game, honestly and rest in peace Left Eye. Yeah, I did once interview Chilli and she was very nice. This is,
Doree: Oh my gosh.
Kate: Yeah. I'll stop. I'll end here. We'll talk more about other things, about things related to this actual podcast that we do. Okay, well look, speaking of product recall, we've had a couple people, well, we've had lots of people write in. Thank you so much for your feedback and embracing this new thing that we're trying and we've gotten great suggestions for things to talk about. But we had a couple people share their own mems about these products. And one of the mem this mem is a current mem. So this listener texted us, loved the product recall episode on Noxzema. I had a baby six weeks ago, and as you can imagine, my self-care routine has been turned upside down. However, I'm very lucky to have a lovely mother-in-law who comes over every Tuesday morning to babysit for a couple of hours. I find, excuse me, I fight the urge to do other things and use the time to take a long ass shower during which I use all my nice prods and listen to a podcast. I've got some asop shower gel, shower steamers, a face oil from a pre-baby trip to Japan and a couple of body scrubs. I brushed my teeth in there for an extended period of time, and now I have Noxzema. After listening to your recent episode, I added it to my grocery order. Love that it's sold at the grocery store, by the way, and I've been trying it out. I don't have particularly sensitive skin or really any skin quote issues, but I love the tingle and smell and it's a fun little add to my long ass shower routine. Wanted to plug this new mom self-care routine for those with the luxury of a couple hours of childcare. Also, may I add that some luxury shower prods are a great gift for a new mom. Anyway, my sleep deprived brain has digressed. Loved the product recall episode. Keep them coming. Okay, now the last thing I expected was to do this deep dive on the history of Noxzema and have someone be like, this inspired me to buy Noxzema, but I am loving this.
Doree: This is very cool.
Kate: And I will say that Noxzema is in kind of the vein of those shower steamers because it does have that menthol eucalyptus scent.
Doree: Yes, the tingle, as this listener points out.
Kate: Yes, the tingle. It does have a lot of sensory elements to it, the touch, the smell that make it very soothing. And I just think this is such a great addition to your little, not little, to your weekly extended shower.
Doree: Totally.
Kate: Doree, you want to take this next message.
Doree: Kate, I would like nothing more. Hello Kat and Dor. I gasped with recognition at your sun in episode such a big part of my teens, but I feel in the interest of truth and justice, not often the impetus in the health and beauty industry, but here we are. I should add that my experience was not the common one. I mean, sure. One of my closest friends went from brunette to bright orange using it and yes, okay. The texture of my hair went from quite good to basically fragile straw. But 1996 me might have been the perfect sun in customer, a teenager with very little cash, but with dark blonde hair. You might even call it mousey. My natural hair color is the color of a blonde person's roots. Now, with the benefit of more resources, I pay absolutely incredible amounts of money to have highlights, but back then there was no way this was happening. So I sprayed sun in on bits of it, and basically I was living the dream honey colored highlights in my dark blonde hair that looked pretty good for the price. I redid them regularly right up until my big heartbreak teenage breakup haircut from memory. And sometimes they were a bit uneven, but generally they look fine, even quite good. I used a lot of leave and conditioner and spent a long time brushing out tangles, but the color was pretty great. I'm absolutely an outlier in this regard. I was also not a brunette, which I think is also a crucial part of it. But nevertheless, this is my truth, my Sun In and truth and I need to share it. Loads of love to you both from gray old wintry London ps I was the one who made the bingo cards. I still get the biggest kick out of remembering how you shared them on Instagram and on an episode. Oh my gosh, those were so fun.
Kate: Yeah, we will share, refresh your memory over on our Instagram and share those bingo cards again. But this listener made Doree and Kate podcast bingo cards.
Doree: It was so cool.
Kate: And they are hilarious. And what an honor for someone to do that for us. Thank you, listener. And what a great positive experience with a prod that you could just grab at the drugstore. I love when people have these moments. Sometimes stuff does work for people,
Doree: But I think this person is correct in that they were the perfect sun in customer.
Kate: A hundred percent.
Doree: They were for whom it was made.
Kate: They're for whom the prod tolls, if you will, whom
Doree: Whom the prod tolls
Kate: Is that Hemingway? Am I quoting Hemingway? Oh Goodness. All right, let's take a break, Doree.
Doree: All right, let's do that. All right, we are back. A listener writes, I'm a 40 year old white woman with fine lines, normal to dry skin, dark circles, and still sometimes zits. Why? I'm happy with my skincare routine, but I've never worn foundation. Sometimes concealer, but I stopped during the pandemic and I don't really want full coverage. But also Glossier skin. Perfecting tiny isn't cutting it. Ilia, merit, beauty Jones Road, which of your skin but better products that Insta keeps advertising to me. Should I try?
Kate: Well, I mean perfect for this question because after this we're going to share some emails that were in response to a different listener question, but I think are going to be great recommendations for this person as well. I have been trying SAIE beauty, s a I E. They're slip tint. That is super light coverage, but I'm liking it. That is kind of, I think actually what you are looking for that barely there coverage. So
Doree: I disagree. I think they want, it sounds to me they want a step up from barely there because they say the glossier skin perfecting.
Kate: Oh, got it.
Doree: See, affecting tint.
Kate: Yes.
Doree: That's what this is. There's a typo. Isn't cutting it. I think they want a little more coverage.
Kate: I think the SAIE Beauty is a little bit more.
Doree: Okay.
Kate: I think you could try it. I think it's in the same vein as the one Elia. I've also been playing around with the Cover Girl Clean Fresh Skin Milk Foundation, and I'm finding that very light. I will say this has a strange scent that folks have pointed out online. And when I got it, went to try it, I was like, surely I won't notice. And then I was like, oh no, it does have a smell. It's kind of like a sweet smell. Anyway, it doesn't stay on you, but just a note. I love Jane Iredales Dream Tint, which is a tinted moisturizer. I actually find it's a pretty good it. It's notice it gives me a good, it fixes it up for a, you're not wearing makeup, but you are look, and I like Jane Iredale products a lot. Those are the ones that I'm half floating around.
Doree: I actually would recommend a product that is literally called Your Skin Butt Better It Cosmetics Foundation. It cosmetics Your Skin Butt Better Foundation. It's a hydrating foundation. I love the texture. It goes on super smooth. It is a medium, let me just confirm this, but I believe it is a medium coverage foundation. Yes, it is a medium coverage foundation. It comes in a range of shades. I have found, this is probably my favorite foundation right now. I also feel like just a tinted thing. It's like why even bother? It doesn't really do anything for me, and I've just put a layer of makeup on my face that's sort of pointless. So I feel like if I'm going to put on something to even out my skin tone, I want it to actually look like it's evening out my skin tone. I don't need a heavy coverage foundation, but that's why I like this foundation because it is a nice medium coverage foundation. I personally, I know people love the Ilia Foundation. I personally did not love it. I thought their shades were off for me, I could never find a shade that was really the right one. I didn't love the texture that it's a real, your mileage may vary a situation because I know people who love this foundation. So your call I also for a little bit lighter, I do the Kosas Face Oil Foundation. It's like, what is it called? Tinted face oil. It's a little bit more coverage than just a tinted moisturizer. Kate does not like this. So again, you know what? It's a real,
Kate: I've come around on the Kosas actually.
Doree: What? Like, two days ago you were like, I don't like the Kosas
Kate: Oh, oh. Whoops. What am I talking about? I have it in my drawer. I this what it is.
Doree: We were on a text chain. And you were like, I don't like Kosas
Kate: I think what it is is that I'm having a hard. I am kind of find these serum mixture foundations to be a little bit hard to put my finger on. The closest one is a skin oil. So it's coming on, it's, there's an oiliness to it. There's a shine. And I don't know if it's just, it just for some reason for I mentally have a hard time wrapping my head around that as a foundational product.
Doree: I hear you.
Kate: But I do use it and I like how it looks. So again, okay, I'm a hypocrite, I guess. I don't know.
Doree: No, you're not a hypocrite. I just don't know yourself, I guess.
Kate: Well, here's a listener email that is kind of on this topic. So this person had to pause the pot and give a couple recs to the listener with flaky skin ala the patisserie. This is a person who wrote in and said they had croissant like skin. I would start gently exfoliating your skin with a chemical exfoliant in order to get your skin smooth and flake free. I like the ordinary lactic acid serum, which I add in between layers of hydrating mist and my night moisturizer. So it's very gentle. The Elia Super serum skin tint has an SPF of 40 and is very moisturizing on the face if you don't want to look like a glazed donut. Although maybe a better look than flaky crust. I really love the Charlotte Tillery Beautiful Skin Foundation would looks, which looks like a healthy, moisturized skin and packed with skincare ingredients. If you want a blur texture, a poor filling primer like the benefit pore professional, or a blurring setting powder, the makeup forever. Ultra HD finishing powder are both great products. First things first, though, a addressing your dryness and texture will result in makeup looking better. Good luck on your skincare and makeup journey. I am intrigued. I think I've tried that Charlotte Tilbury before. I don't know. This was interesting to me. That kind of peaked my curiosity.
Doree: I have never tried this. Charlotte Tilbury. I've tried the airbrush. I think that's the Airbrush Flawless Foundation.
Kate: Oh Yeah. I love that stuff.
Doree: Which is great, but a very heavy foundation. It is a full coverage foundation, but it looks beautiful, but it's like you have to be ready to commit. You know what I mean? .
Kate: Yeah. Ready to found-date. The foundation
Doree: To me, it's in the same category as the Giorgio Armani Luminous silk.
Kate: Yeah.
Doree: Which, like I used to wear every day.
Kate: I know that when we first started this podcast, that was your daily foundation. You loved that.
Doree: The fact that I used to put on a full face of makeup, including a full coverage foundation every single day now eyeliner. It blows my mind. I can't even, I'm like, who was that person? But I did it for, I don't know, 20 years. I did it for so not 20 years. I did it for so long though.
Kate: Well, was that part of being in a professional work environment that you thought you needed to do it? Did you feel more comfortable or you mean just, did you enjoy it?
Doree: I think I enjoyed it. I think I liked how I look with makeup on. I do think it was definitely part of going into the office and it's hard for me to really remember, but my impression is that when I worked in an office that most of the other women also wore makeup. And maybe that was my industry. Maybe it's every office, I don't know. But, it definitely felt like everyone was wearing makeup and maybe they weren't, but I don't like, it would've never occurred to me to not wear makeup, just like it never would've occurred to me to not shower every morning and blow dry my hair.
Kate: Our habits change as our lives change.
Doree: Totally. Totally. Oh, it's so weird. Anyway, sorry.
Kate: It's weird to think about. No, it's okay. It's totally, I get it. It's fascinating When we used to do something and it was such a firm part of our routine, and then that's just gone and you're like, who was I then? Why was that important? What was I, what did it give me? It's just reflection. It's Interesting.
Doree: Totally. I saw a tweet today, and I'm not going to be able to remember the exact tweet, but it was something like the Problem, oh no, here I found it. It was from the Jenny Hogan who's like a writer and comedian, and she said the annoying thing about being a woman is you have to wear your makeup every day or never. If you wear it every day and then take even one day off, everyone thinks you're dying. And it's like, she's kind of right. I did often feel like if I forgot to put on my concealer or my mascara, people would be like, are you okay? Maybe that's all in my head. But I don't know. It's weird to think about. I don't think she's wrong.
Kate: No, I don't. Well mean, this just kind of gets into a much deeper conversation about how we go out into the world. But you're right. I mean, it's kind of the opposite for me where I don't ever really wear makeup. So when I do and I come out into the family room, my whole family's like, what the fuck is going on?
Doree: Well, that's where I am now. If I put on lipstick, Matt's like, why are you wearing so much makeup?
Kate: Yes, I have the same thing. And sometimes there are mornings where I wake up. I had this the other day and I just wanted to have makeup on and it was fun to put it on and I felt great. And then both my kids were like, why are you wearing make-up? But what's fascinating too is my kids are also experimenting with makeup and getting kind of into it. And so I don't know, we each get to make our own choices is kind of what I try to remind myself. But I do know that self-conscious feeling of I didn't wear makeup today.
Doree: Wow. Okay.
Kate: Wow.
Doree: Let's move on.
Kate: Yeah. Take this email.
Doree: Okay. I have a suggestion for the listener who's looking for a foundation for very dry Skin Tower 28 Beauties, sunny Days Tinted Sunscreen. This is the only makeup brand that is endorsed by the Eczema Foundation. This prod has buildable coverage and doesn't dry out as the day goes on. I can't say enough good things about this brand. My face broke out all over with eczema last year, and this is now the only brand I will use. I have used this as well. This is also a good product. I can endorse this product as well.
Kate: Awesome. Great. Haven't used this. Sounds good.
Doree: So Kate, let's take a little break. Well be right back.
Kate: Doree, here we are together again. We're going to play a voicemail. Okay. That raises an interest. Very interesting question that I, I'm would love to chat further about.
Doree: Let's do it.
Voicemail: Hey Kate and Doree. I have a question about what people are doing about bathing suits if they don't shave their bikini line. Cause I'm just not doing that anymore. Making that claim at 36. I always get ingrown hairs and it looks awful and I'm just not doing it. So the thing is that I look at somewhat hairy person and so I have hair into my inner thigh. So a bikini, a typical bathing suit just doesn't cover all of the hair. And I have some cute board shorts from Mollus that I wear sometimes, but I would not to wear shorts when I swam. Cause I dunno, I, I feel great about how I look in a bathing suit. I'm just so nervous about the hair. And I guess my concern is that I'm going to freak out other people. Right now I'm taking my baby to swim lessons and it's indoors and it's just parents and kids and the heated pool. It's great. But I'm kind of worried, am I going to wig everyone out or is anyone even going to be looking at my crotch at children's swim lessons? Probably not. So maybe I'm just asking for a pep talk. I know. I'm just curious what other people who are hairy but not willing to swim in swim trunks or doing should I Nervous about this? Have I answered my own question? I dont know. Ok. Thanks. Bye.
Doree: Kate, thoughts?
Kate: This is an interesting question to me because I was getting my bikini line lasered for a year or so, and then when Covid hit it just, I just stopped going and I haven't done it again. And I've kind of just stopped dealing with my bikini line and my pubic hair and just letting it go. And also just TMI really hope nobody I know in real life is listening to this, but I it, I have the same kind of question sometimes as the listener where I'm fine with it and I actually am trying to be more comfortable if a hair, it's showing not being self-conscious or freaking out. But I also understand the cultural expectations around body hair, which we've talked about, but specifically hair that is around, for lack of a better word, are private parts is so fraught. And I have the same urge to just like, am I making people uncomfortable if I have a hair showing on my thigh, on my bikini line, thigh area? So I don't don't want to say to you pave the way, and you have to, it's what's going to be the most comfortable for you in this experience, specifically a children's swim class you're taking with your kid. I just feel like what's going to just help you get through it and not have to deal with people or deal with worrying about anything. And I would just take that kind of the path of least resistance. But I would love to live in a world where we didn't feel like we all had to be shaving our bikini lines. It's the worst place to remove hair. It's very uncomfortable. It always turns into some sort of ingrown hair situation or rash for me. I don't know. Doree, what do you think?
Doree: I mean, I agree with what you're saying. I think it's of course easy to be like, who cares what other people think?
Kate: Right? When that's not always realistic,
Doree: It's not always realistic and it's not always fair to put that on someone. I actually think that shaving is underrated.
Kate: Go on.
Doree: Especially if, as you say, the hair kind of goes down to your inner thighs, I would just shave.
Kate: I mean, you could also just use a hair clipper just to kind of trim everything.
Doree: Yeah. You could also use, Nair.
Kate: Nair
Doree: As discussed on a recent product recall. So yeah, I mean, think it sounds like this is something that you're self-consious about, you're going to be thinking about it. You might as well just deal with it instead of always worrying about what other people think. I don't know is that, I know that kind of sounds like the path of least resistance, but sometimes you just have to take the path of least resistance.
Kate: That's what I'm saying. Yeah, I agree.
Doree: Well, I'm glad we're in agreement
Kate: I mean, we could be completely wrong. So somebody tell us. Weigh in here as you do.
Doree: I mean, I don't know. Are we being bad feminists?
Kate: I mean, this is what Roxy and Gay wrote a whole book about. I know this idea.
Doree: I know, Look, I know.
Kate: To which I say if we are,
Doree: It's hard.
Kate: You can't fucking win.
Doree: You still to live in a society that like, you know, hates women. So.
Kate: Yeah. And shames us. And shames us and sexualizes everything that we do. Having a pube showing is some just, we all like, ugh. Okay. Sorry, I'm about to soap box. gotta slow down with my tea.
Doree: Kate. Let us hear one final voicemail.
Voicemail: I have a recommendation for you. Sorry for the weird song. It's been a good day. I heard on the recent episode talking about finding a schedule to clean your house. I tried to use schedule for a while and would get frustrated for a couple of reasons. One, just saying bathroom was hard for me because there wasn't enough to check off. And the idea of just bathroom felt very overwhelming. And also those paths weren't broken off necessarily. The way works best for my brain. For instance, I think cleaning my floors is an awesome task because it's something that I can see progress on, but quite like. But generally speaking, it takes a lot of time. So on those little task lists, whatever it would list out as a big do. So maybe one day you do your floors or nothing else. Whereas for me, it's the opposite. So I found this app, it's called Sweepy, S W E E P Y. And you put in all your tasks, you put in how frequently you'd like to do them. And then you can make them easy to hard. And if you don't pay for the premium, it's not super expensive. I can't remember how much it's, but it's not, it's enough to be worth it for me. And your girl does not make a lot of money if you do a free one. It's just kind of a checklist that you can see and pick your own task. But if you do the premium one, sweepy will essentially determine how many tasks are doable in a day. So maybe you'll have one hard task or you'll have three easy tasks. And then every day I go and look at my little app and I'm like, boom, look. And I get to check off each one. So that doesn't necessarily mean that I'll ever have a day where I'm like, look, my whole bathroom is clean. This is wonderful because cleaning a whole bathroom in a day sounds exhausting but it keeps me up to date. And it allows me to do enough every day that I don't get overwhelmed. That my whole house is a mess and I know that I'm keeping up with it. So by size, manageable chunks. I also add fun stuff, like clean my makeup brushes and change the cat feeder cause I'm an automatic cat feeder to change it. Ok. I hope you help. Love you both. Bye
Doree: Sweepy.
Kate: Never heard of it, had you?
Doree: No, no. Sounds cool.
Kate: Yeah, I googled it immediately and I'm going to check it out. Very intrigued. I mean, I also just want to say, please always begin a voicemail to us with a song.
Doree: Totally. That was great.
Kate: That was delightful.
Doree: Yeah, that was truly delightful. Well, Kate, it's been a pleasure as always to get to chat with you.
Kate: It sure has. We will talk to you all later.
Doree: Bye.