Doree welcomes Kate into her office for a bit of armchair psychology before hearing from listeners about all the ways they remove stains from their clothing, taking back what it means to feel sexy, and the many prod pleasures you can get from Greek pharmacies. 

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• Learned Optimism: How to Change Your Mind and Your Life by Martin E. P. Seligman

• Forever35 ADHD Group

• Set Boundaries Find Peace by Nedra Glover Tawwab

• Finding Me by Viola Davis

• Taking Charge of Adult ADHD by Russell A. Barkley and Christine M. Benton

• Palmolive

• Ask A Clean Person

• OxiClean Spray

• Shout Stain Remover

• Ivory Liquid Soap

• Clorox 2 stain remover

• Dawn Dishsoap

• Dawn Powerwash

• Apivita Cleansing Foam

• Korres Renewing Body Cleanser

• Santo Volcano Cosmetic Hair Serum

• Greek Yoghurt Wide Awake Eye Gel

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Transcript

Kate: Hello, and welcome to forever 35, a podcast about the things we do to take care of ourselves. I am Kate Spencer

Doree: And I am Doree Shafrir

Kate: And we are not experts.

Doree: We are not, but we are two friends who like to talk a lot about serums.

Kate: We do. And this is a mini episode where we hear from you. We share your comments and your thoughts, and we answer your questions to the best of our ability,

Doree: Indeed. Uh, but please do remember we are podcast hosts. We're not experts. We always encourage you to seek support first and foremost, from a medical and or mental health professional as needed.

Kate: Okay. And we need to hear from you is what I'm saying. So please send us a text. Leave us a voicemail. 7 8 1 5 9 1 0 3 9 0. Or email us at 5 35 podcast. gmail.com. Yes. Hit us up on the James.

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Kate: Whew, that's a dos. You have an intro. We got it all out there though.

Doree: Don't I know it. We

Kate: Really that's a lot of stuff hate. We

Doree: Really did. We really did.

Kate: We did, you know, we put it all out there. Some people might ask us to save it to the end, but to you, I say no, gonna set that boundary. We're gonna read it all up front. <laugh> speaking of boundary story. Okay.

Doree: What's going on with you?

Kate: Well, you already know because you're like my text therapist, you know, listeners, our relationship IRL is very similar to our relationship IR pod, and I often get down and then text story. Wouldn't you say that's accurate, would you say?

Doree: Yeah, I would say that's pretty accurate.

Kate: <laugh>

Doree: I mean, be honest

Kate: Let's barrel. I have been feeling low in my self-esteem and this is not new for me. I struggle at times with self-esteem and confidence. And then I struggle with like shame and embarrassment about it. Cuz you know, if, if you ever deal with that stuff, you kind of, there's like a shame element and it's also, people are like, just, you know, do this thing and you'll be fine and it doesn't work that way. Yeah. It should come as no surprise to anyone that I'm also a highly sensitive person. Mm-hmm <affirmative> which I've read that book. But I, I came here to ask for my fellow self-esteem strugglers. You know who you are. Do you have any book recommendations so that I can project love and care upon myself? Do I need to read more Brene brown? Is that the answer? Is there some other book?

Doree: I, I don't know, but I'm gonna tell you about a book that was pretty life changing for me.

Kate: Oh yes, please.

Doree: But I will, but I will caveat this by saying that I read it in college, I think.

Kate: Okay.

Doree: Like I probably read it 25 years ago and so, and it was written in 1990 and so I don't know if like everything in the book kind of is like up to today's more like aware standards, if that makes sense.

Kate: It does make sense,

Doree: But I, I did find it very illuminating and very helpful. Um, it was it's by a, I think he died recently, but by a professor, um, where I went to college at Penn named Martin Seligman, he's a psychology professor and he did a lot of work on like learned helplessness, but also on learned optimism. And he has a book called learned optimism, how to change your mind and your life.

Kate: Ooh. And this was helpful to you.

Doree: I found it very helpful. Um, now, you know, I, I do just wanna say, like, I understand that there, there are mental people have mental health challenges that are not going to be solved by a book or, you know, someone telling you to like change your mindset, but like sometimes you can change your mindset. So I don't wanna just like dismiss this kind of stuff totally out of hand. But I also wanna, I wanna just, like I said, I wanna just caveat it by saying that like, I, I, I don't think it's a one size fits all kind of situation, but I think for you a book like this on balance, I think will be beneficial.

Kate: I'm gonna, I'm going to look this up the library.

Doree: Let me just read you the little description. The father of positive psychology draws on more than 20 years of clinical research to show you how to overcome depression, boost your immune system. I mean, okay. Um, and make yourself happier, offering many simple techniques. Anyone can practice. Dr. Seligman explains how to break an eye, give up habit, develop a more constructive explanatory style for interpreting your behavior and experience the benefits of a more positive interior dialogue.

Kate: Interesting. Okay. That, especially that last part I think could be especially helpful to me. Mm-hmm <affirmative> positive interior dialogue idea.

Doree: Yeah. I think this whole idea of like the, the story we tell ourselves about ourselves

Kate: Boy

Doree: Is is can be like quite profound and changing, reframing that narrative, if you will changing that story can be very powerful.

Kate: Well, and I, you know, I've touched upon this a little bit in therapy, but I think a lot of it is healing inner Chi, inner children inside of us, right? Like healing traumas from, or wounds from childhood that have imprinted on you and are still lingering decades later. This is one of like the most frustrating, I think aspects of when I kind of hash things out in therapy. I'm like, God, really? So,

Doree: You know, it's so interesting because, uh, the other day my tennis, my tennis teacher said what, like, he was like, what were you like as a teenager? Mm. Just sort of randomly asked me that. And I was like, oh, I was like solid and depressed. And he was like, you were, and he like, could not fathom that. And Matt, my husband had a similar reaction and I was like, yeah, I had a really tough time, like as an adolescent. And then, you know, sometime in college I started going to therapy. I got on meds, like kind of figured my shit out a little bit more. Um, and I was like, I don't feel so and depressed and angry now, but like, that was a part of who I was. And that's like, you know, made me contributed to who I am now, but it's also like, I am not that person anymore. Like, it's a part of me, but that is not who I am anymore. And I think like this idea that we can acknowledge those parts of ourselves, like the, the, the child who struggled in school and, you know, felt mistreated by her teachers. Like that is a part of you and has like influenced you obviously, but it's not, that's not who you are now. Like it's not,

Kate: But how do I know that I appreciate that. You know, that I, I, this is, I feel like going be my life's work in terms of like, well, Kate. Yes.

Doree: So is question that former therapist asked me,

Kate: Okay. Before you do, can I just say that the most hysterical part about this very serious conversation is that our next segment is about oil stains. I just wanna throw that out there and that's why I love

Doree: To conversation.

Kate: Okay. So lay it on me.

Doree: So here's my question. What do you think you gain by holding onto this and what is it about this narrative that feels comfortable to you? Because there is something about it that must feel comfortable to you.

Kate: I think time I hold onto these feelings of self, I think it is protection against the world. That's what I think it is. I, what do

Doree: You feel you need to be protected from

Kate: How did this

Doree: I'm I'm enjoying this. Go on, please answer.

Kate: I need to be protected from, that's a great question. I, well, I, I guess the only thing I could kind of point to is that I'm so afraid of disappointed people that already being disappointed. This might be it. I don't know. But that feeling of already kind of being disappointed mm-hmm <affirmative> alleviates the blow.

Doree: Yeah.

Kate: Possibly that could possibly be it is that I

Doree: Think we're getting somewhere. No, I think we're getting somewhere. I am not an expert on ADHD by any means, but you know, my husband has ADHD. And so I've tried to kind of learn as much as I can about it and this like fear of letting people down and fear of rejection from what I understand is very pronounced in people who have ADHD. And so they develop a lot of self protection mechanisms,

Kate: Ooh.

Doree: To, you know, to avoid these feelings, to avoid letting people down, to avoid bothering people, to avoid feeling rejection. Um, I don't know the brain chemistry that like connects that to ADHD, but I, from what I have read, and from what I understand, this is very common amongst people who have ADHD. You know,

Kate: I am, I am at the tip of the iceberg in terms of learning about this part of myself, the neuro divergent part of myself. Mm-hmm

Doree: <affirmative>,

Kate: But I have to shout out there is a forever 35 ADHD Facebook group that is just so helpful. It's like full of info. It's full of sharing. And it's been very helpful because this is it's. It is weird to learn new. I don't know, to connect the dots of oneself a little bit more as we get older, you know? Yes. When you're like, oh, these this connects well, yes. I'm sure there is some good ADHD book that I should read. Number one. Um, and I will check out this book that you recommended. Uh, one of my favorite people to follow online, Nedra Glover Towa has a book called set boundaries, find peace, a guide on reclaiming yourself. Maybe I'll get that, but you know what? The number one book is in self esteem. Just looking on our, on ye Amazon is Viola Davis' memoir finding me, oh, well look at that. And I might bop on over to the Libro FM app and listen to the audio book of that. I bet. That's great. She must narrate it. I bet. It's really good. So anyway, yeah. Let's who know, I don't know why. I don't know yet why that is in a best seller in self-esteem, but I will definitely, I would love to read her book. Oh, anyway. Um, thanks for arm chair. Analyzing me. Do

Doree: I just wanted to recommend a book that Ali ward recommends?

Kate: Mm, please.

Doree: Um, which is Russell, Barkley's taking charge of adult ADHD. I've not read this myself, so I cannot speak to it, but she is like, this is the book she interviewed him on ologies umactually to this episode,

Kate: Two part

Doree: Two part episode, um, says the revised and updated second edition includes new expanded discussions of mindfulness, emotional self-control time management, building, successful career, maintaining healthy lifestyle, and more in authoritative OneStop resource to help you take back your life from ADHD.

Kate: All right. Okay. Tap, tap, tap. I'm gonna be ordering a bunch of books.

Doree: Great. I'm excited. I'm excited to go on this journey with you cuz you know, I will be on this journey with you, whether you like it or not.

Kate: Well, I've kind of forced you into the journey. <laugh> in a lot of ways. I

Doree: Enjoy Kate. I enjoy the journey.

Kate: You really are

Doree: Raw. It's fun because you let me, you let me be the arm care arm care armchair psychologist I was born to be <laugh>.

Kate: I also love the idea of you being an arm care psychologist, where you just give tips on caring for arms, because I do feel like you've done that lot here on the show.

Doree: What a Freudian slip. Um, okay. Well Kate, we should take a little break.

Kate: When we come back,

Doree: We have a big oil steam discussion to get to love doing

Kate: All right. Let's take a break. So Doree, you know, we had had this whole conversation about oil stains and we received so many comments and texts and then we forgot to do a follow up discussion and a listener actually like reached out somewhere and was like, when's the oil stain conversation happening. So thank you to you listener for, you know, kicking this, kicking this off for us. So we're gonna just kinda rock through some of these wrecks because it turns out there are some there's some repeat recommendations.

All right. Here's the first one. Here's one that we're sharing long time. First time listening to F 2, 4 7, 2 7, 4 about stains and had to offer two suggestions. First filling a little spray bottle with Palm olive or another grease fighter like Mr. Clean and spraying on the stain before washing might work second most important store. Your treatment products, Palm will olive spray. If you're prone to oil mess and then an all purpose like tide rescue or Oxy clean next to your hamper. So you can spray when you take your dirty stained clothes off the longer the treatments sit on the stain, the better. So you're helping yourself by just washing on your regular schedule. I heard this tip from former PO podcaster, ask a clean person, Julie care and had to share, okay, this is such a great tip because I always leave the spray by the washing machine.

Doree: Mm.

Kate: So putting it by the hamper where the fresh stains normally go is chef's kiss.

Doree: You know, I used to do this and then I stopped because I was like, oh, I'll I like, I needed to spray like Henry's stuff. And so it was just easier to have it. Mm-hmm <affirmative> by the laundry. Now I'm thinking maybe I get two and put one by Henry and one by me, Kate, I have to tell you, I was very proud of myself the other day because um, I went to put on this white dress that I have this like summary white dress. And I was like, oh, there's like a bunch of stains on here. Like I just hadn't noticed. And I sprayed it. My, my sprain, my stain remover of choice right now for regular, for just like regular stains is Oxy clean the spray.

Kate: Okay. Okay.

Doree: Um, as this person, you know, this person also shadowed out the Oxy spray. Um, and I sprayed it and then I got some other white stuff sprayed that, and then I put little bit stuff don't or non chlorine or whatever. And I was just like in this stuff. Great, great.

Kate: You don't listen to those tags, you know, the tags, aren't the boss of you I think. And I think sometimes we get beholden to what the tags say,

Doree: Wait a second. Hold beholden to the, the tags.

Kate: Yeah. But sometimes you gotta live on the edge a little bit. Sometimes you gotta put something that says hand wash only in the washing machine.

Doree: Yes. But put it on delicate and put it in a lingerie bag.

Kate: I mean, I do half of, I do one of those things.

Doree: Okay. Um, alright. Let's you're

Kate: Right to read the tags. I'm laughing Doree because I, a few years ago I bought a bunch of these made well tank tops. And I didn't even read the tags and I just threw them in the wash and they all shrunk, they were made of like tensile or something. Like it was the stupidest, most wasteful move. I wasted like a hundred dollars worth of tank tops. So everybody Doreees write, read the tags.

Doree: I do just wanna note, however that I think everything should be machine and machine washable and able to put in the dryer. I like, I really try not to buy dry, clean, only stuff anymore, or even hand wash only stuff anymore. Because like, I just want my life to be easy when it comes to my,

Kate: For most of us. Yeah. I'm with, that's

Doree: Not like when, you know, back when I was like a working lady in an office, like a working boss lady in an office, I have a lot of like silk, pretty silk tops that all had to be dry cleaned. And I was, I felt like I was constantly going to the dry cleaner. And it's first of all, it's expensive. Second of all, it's a pain, you know, you gotta always go to the dry cleaner. And third of all, I don't have a third of all, but like, you know, I I've, I've moved away. I've moved away from that lifestyle, but I've also moved away from just like the dry clean, only life in general for the most

Kate: Part. Good

Doree: For like the bar, I'll say the bar is very high for a dry, clean, only piece of clothing. Yeah.

Kate: It's like being committing to being in a monos relationship with somebody like committing to dating. You're like, okay, I'm taking the next step in this relationship. Like you're worth it. But most clothes aren't worth it.

Doree: Clothes are not it.

Kate: Drying is so expensive

Doree: And it's so bad for the environment.

Kate: I know. I know it's really not good.

Doree: All right, Kate, let's hear a voicemail.

Voicemail: Hey Kate Doree. I had to stop the pod this morning to give you my mom who my brother and I called Dr. Laundry, share her advice with you about oil stains. So my mom is of the belief that shouts like the spray laundry remover is the best thing at removing stain. She's tried everything and comes back to shout every time. And so recently my husband bought a new pair of very expensive blue lemon pants instantly spilled something on them and had an oil stain washed and dried them before he noticed. So he was really upset that he spent this money and now they were really, but Dr. Laundry did a consult on these pants and her prescription was that we needed to saturate. That's the key, saturate the pants in shout and let it sit overnight and then wash it. And then it let them air dry. And then repeat the process until the stain lifted. It, it took two times for us to do it, that it works, but the stain absolutely lifted. So I hope you try it. And it works for you. Bye.

Doree: I also like shout.

Kate: I have a bottle of shout, but I don't keep it by my hamper thing. That's the, that's the difference? Okay. Here's another recipe from someone's mom. This is in her rights. My mom is a secret sauce. She makes that's equal parts, ivory, liquid soap, Clorox, two stain remover and water. She puts it in a spray bottle and suggests putting a washcloth or a rag behind the stain, then spraying and then using the nozzle to scrub the stain. Let me tell you it does work. Apparently she got it from a morning show back in the nineties.

Doree: Wow. Okay. Morning show, nineties morning show.

Kate: Yeah. You know, here we go. Gumble Regis, Katie Kirk, someone came up with this. Jane. Paul will take it. Jane Paul. My mom's favorite boy. She loved to Jane poll.

Doree: Oh, I love Jane poll.

Kate: I mean still on CBS Sunday morning. So that's true. Let's read some ex excerpts from Dawn, cuz this is the Dawn territory.

Doree: Okay. Um, OMG, you guys, the oil stains. This happens to be constantly because I cook every day without an apron. And I have two small children who like to use me as a napkin. I'm also a bit of a laundry stain expert, not to toot my own horn, but I'm the person that friends and family members text when they have a laundry question. So here's the solution. Blue Dawn dish soap. Put the Dawn directly on an oil stain, rub it into the fabric with your fingernails, sorry, Kate or a toothbrush to really get into the fibers. Then wash as normal. I've saved so many t-shirts and sweatshirts this way. If some of the stains still lingers, you can repeat the process. It even works. If you have already washed and dried your clothes bonus, tip a 50 50 mixture of blue Dawn and peroxide is the best multipurpose stain remover. I mix up a big batch and then pour it into small reusable spray bottles. I keep one bottle in the laundry room and one inside my kid's hamper so that when I'm picking up their dirty clothes, I can treat the stains immediately and then just dump everything to the washing machine when it's time to do laundry.

Um, I recently started using Don power wash. This is me, Doree that done with the female. Oh, uh, text. Um, thanks to you, Kate. You were the first, you told me a Dawn power wash and I love it. And I also use it on stain. Sometimes I spray it on

Kate: That. That's really smart. Okay. Okay.

Doree: It's it's good. It, it really does work and you know, it's, it's formulated to cut through grease. So it like, it makes sense that it would be, you know, uh, effective on grease and oil stains on clothing.

Kate: I mean, I love Dawn. I love Dawn. I <laugh>, I, I don't know if I'm loyal to many products the way I'm loyal to Dawn dish soap, but I love it. And this only validated me more like the amount of listeners who wrote in saying that specifically Dawn dish soap is the stain remover of choice. Like this one person just wrote, you need to soak the stain in blue Dawn. It has to be blue and it has to be Dawn. See, just port street in the bottle. Let it sit for a few hours. I disagree,

Doree: But I disagree with this. I don't think it has to be blue on, I think the Dawn power wash has really worked for me and I get the free

Kate: Blue. Oh,

Doree: I get, no, I get the

Kate: Free love.

Doree: Some I don't like, you know, I don't like sense

Kate: <laugh> that's true. You don't like sense. And I'm like, give me all the toxic smells.

Doree: You know how I am about sense. Um, yeah. So,

Kate: Um, I'm gonna try this cuz I stain everything. And my second, my second question, which we've talked about on the podcast, but I actually forget what the answer is, is how do I get the B O smell out of workout clothes that I've already washed. This is a very specific laundry dress question, but I must know maybe it's I was gonna put the Dawn in the pits.

Doree: I actually have a thought. I have not tried this, but I have a thought you could try laundry, stripping them.

Kate: Is that where you soak it in? Like Oxy clean

Doree: It's like Oxy clean and like borax. Like it's like there's, there's, all's some pots of it's some potion and laundry, like TikTok and LA like laundry. The laundry internet is all about the laundry stripping. Okay. Um, but I have not, I've not ever tried it myself, so I cannot speak to, um, this specifically, but that is, that is what comes to mind as something that might work. Thank you. That's a great, my other thought

Kate: I appreciate that.

Doree: Yes. Okay. One more thought, are you washing your workout clothes right after you're done? Or are you sitting in them for a while and then putting them in laundry?

Kate: It's a mix of both. It's a mix of both

Doree: Because I wonder if you I'm just riffing here, I'm just like, I'm adlibbing you finish your workout. You take off your workout clothes, you spray the underarms immediately with

Kate: Mm.

Doree: Shout Oxy. I don't know. And then, so it's kind of like absorbing and then you wash whenever you wash. Maybe try that.

Kate: Okay. I also know

Doree: We're also laundry St.

Kate: Constantly, and we're not supposed to be washing our workout clothes a ton. So,

Doree: Okay. That I think is just like unrealistic because I'm sorry. My workout clothes gets so sweaty and stinky that like, yeah,

Kate: I'm

Doree: Not wearing these again. It's not good. I also don't think it's good for the clothes to like have bacteria fomenting on them. I

Kate: Know. I know.

Doree: Now the one thing that I will say that I used to do that I don't do anymore, because again, lazy, um, it's probably best for you not to put them in the dryer at the very least.

Kate: I try not to do that. That's a good point. Cause the dryer is seal in the smells. Correct.

Doree: And, and degrading the fabric. Yeah. Okay. But you know, I, I try, I will, I will like try to remember to take my like sports bras out of the dryer and hang them up. Like it doesn't, I mean, I'm just being real here. It doesn't always happen.

Kate: I mean, I just encouraged everybody not to follow the tags on their clothes with, with the tags.

Doree: You did do that. Yeah.

Kate: Did it chaos over here? All right. We need to take a, uh, come back, switching gears again. Before we sign

Doree: Kate, we are back here is a, here is a text, dear cat Andor. First of all, I wanna say that I love your podcast. I've been listening to it since I started college and I've found it to be very grounding and helpful in shaping my mindset. As I've gotten older, I'm listening to the episode from July 13th and had to pause the pod about and has the PO had to pause the pod to talk about feeling sexy. This response might be a little late, but I wanted to text you I've gained some weight in the past year. I feel very uncomfortable in a body that I've historically felt comfortable in, which has been very hard for me. And I don't really feel cute or sexy these days. I've been thinking about how I can make myself feel sexy. I like feeling sexy and I wanna do things that make me feel that way during the self-reflection.

I was thinking about what I find sexy in my partner. I find him physically attractive, but that's not the only thing that I think is sexy about him. In fact, I oftentimes find other qualities that he has sexier than his physical body. Things like emotional intelligence, humor, and gentle approach to all things come to mind. I'm doing somewhat of a self experiment to see if I can find other things that I find sexy about myself, other than my body. I'm still trying to notice these things and it can be quite difficult, but I wanted to share a few things that I've found being active outside, specifically, hiking a person, getting out in nature, SPF up because they care about their skin full camel back because they wanna stay hydrated. Being grateful that her body is able to do hard things, sexy, blocking out an hour or two to really indulge in some self care, a good shower, full skin care routine, clean PJs and bedsheets, feeling clean and taken care of sexy. Anyways, I still think it's nice to feel physically sexy, but maybe it shouldn't be the only thing I find sexy about myself. I don't want the only thing that I find sexy in my partner to be their physical appearance. So why should I do that to myself anyways? Thank you for all the work you do spot is a highlight of media I consume and I truly love listening.

Kate: Yes, yes. I appreciate this so much. I needed to hear it.

Doree: Mm-hmm <affirmative>

Kate: This person is so right. We, we are like, so culturally taught to ingrain sexiness with just our appearance and our bodies.

Doree: Yes. What a way to sort of like gas yourself up. I love this.

Kate: Me too. I'm just gonna frame this one and keep it whenever I'm feeling. I know, like I need

Doree: This from well, and I also, I also just wanna, you know, give a little shout out slash sneak preview to the episode that we're airing on Wednesday with Kristen Meer and Greenberg.

Kate: Oh boy. We talk about sexiness

Doree: Mm-hmm <affirmative> mm-hmm

Kate: <affirmative> yourself and your partner buckle up. Yes.

Doree: Um,

Kate: We're gonna wrap things up with a skincare voicemail. Uh, a listener traveled to Greece. We may have some listeners in Greece, um, but this listener is not Greek, but they went there and they found some skincare prompts that they wanted to recommend.

Voicemail: Hey, Isha, you, you talking about how you would go the French pharmacy when, in France to buy all kinds of wonderful products. So I did the same in Greece and tell you the chorus products are outstanding. I got a four milliliter bottle of hand wash for seven over there, and I put it in my carryon luggage. It smells outstanding. Also I got a brand called ATA, really wanted to buy and support their economy. And I also got some hand wash from them and mild pan wash with grapefru. And, um, in addition, I had gotten the co bodying milk and their renewing body cleanser both in their, uh, Jasmine and like their clean cotton, which are not available in the us. Usually I think they only do skin care for here that would buy Sephora also, um, some other wonderful things from Aita, a refreshing shower gel with essential teasing foams.

We discovered, cause I went with my girlfriends, discovered this volcano cosmetic serum oil for hair body with organic organ grape oil and it outstanding. And for about, Ooh, maybe like 50, I Don's. Oh, sorry. It's another thing. Another thing that I gotten from the French pharmacy was something called P hyaluronic acid, Vel concentrate. And you just put on your forehead on either one of your cheek and on your chin. This is, they do it on the pharmacy and you use this as a, and they said in like two weeks, you see an amazing, uh, change. One last thing I had gotten was Avita moisturizing hair mask with hiero acid and all, I can't wait to wash my hair and do a hair mask because it's going to be outstanding. But I thought that you should know that if anyone's going to grease this summer, please make sure you go by a pharmacy and get some products because they are reasonably priced and are amazing. And the service is excellent.

Doree: It's time to go to Greece. Yep. See you later, everybody. We're off to Greece. I wish I have been to Greece. It's a beautiful country. I have never been to Greece. Um, it is where my parents went on their honeymoon. fun fact. Um, I, I, I think I talked about this a lot on the Alta episode that we did, but chorus makes an amazing Greek yogurt gel moisturizer that I'm obsessed with. I love it. It's this is kind of making me wanna go buy another, um, container of it. Another jar of it.

Kate: Well, they have, um, Greek yogurt, wide awake eye gel that I really love. That's like a roller eye gel with caffeine to kind of get rid of, you know, puffiness. And it's really great. Whoops. My dog just came in to share the news.

Doree: Oh, alright. Um, well Kate, this was a pleasure. Yeah. I look forward to next. I look forward to our next therapy session. Um, and we'll talk soon.

Kate: Oh, like, you know, therapy followed by discussions of laundry and dove dish soap is really, I feel like our, you know, what we bring to the table in the podcast space. Thank you all for listening. All right.