Mini-Ep 311: I’m Not Here To Make Sense
Kate spends time with family visiting for the first time since the pandemic and Doree shades herself with all her new sun hats. Then, listeners get K+D riled up about gender reveals, the formula shortage, and previously owned carpet.
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Kate: Hello, and welcome to forever 35, a podcast about the things we do to take care of ourselves. I'm Kate Spencer,
Doree: And I'm Doree Shafrir,
Kate: And we are not experts.
Doree: No, but we are two friends who like to talk a lot about serums,
Kate: Doree. We do. And this is a mini episode where we hear from you. We share your comments and your thoughts, and we answer your questions to the best of our ability.
Doree: And please remember we are podcast hosts. We're not experts. And we always encourage you to seek support first and foremost, from a medical and or mental health professional as needed.
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Kate: Yeah, we're over 11.
Doree: Yeah. So you, we will link to that in the show notes, but it's also at, um, Bitly/forever35podcastGC.
Kate: So excited about that. Doree. We get email updates every day, anytime somebody donates and it's like such a, just a jolt of joy.
Doree: It is, it is. And it's like one of those things where you feel like you're really making a difference. So I'm really excited that we're doing it.
Kate: You know, we've gotta do something in this world. Well, like get a new hat. Did you like that? Segue Doree? Did you like that segue? I mean, not great. I know wasn't my best word.
Doree: Make a ton of sense, but
Kate: Not here to make sense.
Doree: Is that like, I'm not here to make friends.
Kate: Yeah, that's my, that's what I would say. Anytime I was on a reality show, I'm not here. I'm not here to
Doree: Make sense. That's actually kind of a great tagline. Then you just like, thank you. Ill out. Nonsequitors constantly.
Kate: Yeah. And then they're like, what are you talking about? You're like, I'm not here to make sense. I'm here exactly to go on this journey. Well, I am here to talk about your head because people wrote in with hat racks, which I thought we could dedicate some, a segment on a mini episode to some of these hat racks coming up. Yes. But tell us you learned
Doree: Well, yeah, we should definitely dedicate it to, um, on, on a upcoming mini app because I did order a hat. I'm not going to reveal what it was yet, but it was a listener suggestion. I'm excited about it and we'll see, we'll see how great it is in the meantime I needed,
Kate: I needed get this hat.
Doree: That's that's not the hat that
Kate: I this. Oh, okay.
Doree: Okay. That's my tennis hat.
Kate: Okay. So you're not even telling me the hat that you ordered. No, this is the secret from everybody. This is a secret. Wow. Listen, this's be
Doree: A surprise.
Kate: We're on the same team here. Okay. You see how
Doree: It's. Um, but I also, I talked about how I wanted a kind of like cool straw hat mm-hmm <affirmative>, but I was having trouble finding one to fit. My big head and listeners really came through, which was great. Although there was, there were at least a couple people who recommended, um, a hat that I already own. And I was like, Hm, maybe I just need to like, enjoy this hat more, but I don't love it anyway, whatever, not the point. The point is I also needed a hat I could wear at tennis because I had been wearing just like a, uh, you know, what's that Nike dry
Kate: Fit
Doree: Fit. Thank you. I'd been wearing like a Nike dry fit kind baseball type thing. Um, which was great, but like, didn't give the full of protection, face protection that I was really looking for. But I was also like, I can't just, I can't wear like a big straw hat to play tennis in.
Kate: That's too bulky. Maybe bouncing around
Doree: It's full games. Right. So what do I need? And then I found this hat. It is by a company called Sunday afternoons.
Kate: Oh, that's a cute name.
Doree: It is a cute name. Um, they have a website, Sunday, afternoons.com. Oh. They wanna chat with me. Um, they also, you can also buy their hats on Amazon. Um, and I found, um, a sport hat.
Kate: Okay. Okay.
Doree: Yes. So they have a sport hat, um, and I bought it. It has a very, uh, sort of wide and broad visor. It has side ventilation, and then it has a neck flap.
Kate: Ooh, you are protected in this baby.
Doree: You are protected. So today,
Kate: Oh,
Doree: I actually wore it to play tennis and it also has up F 50 plus sun protection. Um, and it was pretty sunny. Like I play, I, I, I usually play tennis at nine in the morning. And by then in Los Angeles, like the sun is, the sun is out. Even if it's not that hot, the sun is like
Kate: Strong it's cooking. Yeah. Yeah.
Doree: But with this hat on, I had my own little cocoon of shade
Kate: And your head didn't get too sweaty.
Doree: No.
Kate: Okay. Doree. All right. I'm supporting of this.
Doree: Yeah. So yeah, it was great. And here the, the hat is adjustable size wise.
Kate: Oh, that's key.
Doree: Yes. So I actually ended up ordering the small medium
Kate: And it fits your
Doree: Head. It fits my head. I, so what I did was I ordered, um, I did buy this on Amazon and I did it through prime wardrobe and I, I, I ordered three different Sunday afternoons hats. One of which was a large slash extra large. And it was too big, but it was a different style, but still, um, it was too big. So I'm just saying, I, I I'm, I'm a fan, I'm a fan of this hat for sporting activities.
Kate: It's really funny. You mentioned this because yesterday my dad and, and my stepmom were here visiting and we hiked, uh, Fryman canyon here in Los Angeles. And we went at like noon. So the sun was a burn mm-hmm <affirmative> and I wore this like dorky, hiking hat that I
Doree: Have Uhhuh
Kate: From REI. It's their Sahara paddler hat. And I was like, so shady and cool. Yeah. That I was almost like, oh, I should wear this every day. Like I know I lived like a real goofball.
Doree: Yeah.
Kate: But I'm cool. Afaf right now.
Doree: So Sunday afternoons, I'm just looking, I'm looking at their website. They have a very wide range of these. Like you're not gonna look fashionable,
Kate: Which is fine, which is it's
Doree: All get that out of the way. So yeah. So they have all they've, they've an adventure hat. They have, uh, trail cat, they've all kinds of hats. They have a bug free cruiser, net hat. You can get a, like a mosquito net around your face. <laugh>,
Kate: That's what I'm showing up in the next time we hang out. Honestly,
Doree: I can't wait. Um, so yeah, so I recommend
Kate: Obsessive sun protection is
Doree: Cool.
Kate: It is cool. It is something where I feel like though I can get so caught up in where I'm like, if there's an inch of bare unprotected skin, I start to get a little, you know, like I almost borderline on obsessive about it sometimes.
Doree: Yes. Didn't you, do you still have that very large gardening hat.
Kate: Yes. My, my, um, oh my gosh. Why am I forgetting the names? Not my, not clogs my slogs hat.
Doree: Oh, yes, yes, yes. Your slog. Yes.
Kate: I have a slogs hat. I have a giant straw beach hat that I got, like I have, I have so much, and I'm constantly S screening and also making my kids sunscreen to the point where I'm like, am I making them neurotic? No, we live in Southern California. I dunno. What's the answer. I don't know. As,
Doree: As my husband pointed out, we are like a thousand miles closer, actually closer to the sun here.
Kate: Yeah. So we can be, we can be that way.
Doree: So yeah. So I think whatever you do, whatever you need to do to stay protected from the sun. Cause,
Kate: Okay. All right. Thank you. It
Doree: Is brutal.
Kate: It is. And I don't wanna, you know, get sun damage or risk my house.
Doree: No, of course not. Now, Kate, you alluded to your dad and stepmom being in town.
Kate: Yeah. I have family visiting and it's the first time they've been here since 2019. It's very exciting.
Doree: Wow.
Kate: You know, of course my daughter seemed to get a cold, like right before they arrived, which has led to a lot of COVID tests of which she remains negative. You know, it's like, this is our new normal everybody. We just have to live in this heightened state of anxiety, I guess. But, or some of us, some of us don't seem to be at all, but that's me. Uh, and it's been very nice. It's been really, we have seen them throughout the COVID pandemic, but they haven't been to our house and they got to meet our new dog. And we've just done a lot of, you know, fun things together. And it's been really nice. I have to say, that's so great. It's been really nice right now outside of the room where I'm recording this podcast, my daughters and my stepmom are baking a cake for my husband Anthony's birthday.
Doree: Aw.
Kate: You know, so it's just, it's, it's, it's fun. And it's always bittersweet when you don't live near family to get to see them because it's so nice. And then it's, there's like a little, there's a, a grief element, but I'm, I'm really grateful to get, to spend time with them. It's really fun. Oh my, my dad and I are like very alike to the point where it's like, it's like too much.
Doree: Oh, okay.
Kate: Like we are both, we are both very similar. Our anxiety disorders are very similar, you know? So we are like, oh, interesting. We are two peas in a pot for better or for worse story.
Doree: Okay. <laugh> all right.
Kate: So that has been, that has been a lot of fun. I don't know. I love, I love, I'm so grateful for, to have my family. Very grateful.
Doree: Yeah. That's so nice. Are you guys doing anything else? Any other activities that are noteworthy?
Kate: Oh my God. What have we done? Well, we did our, we did our hike. We barbecue. We spent four hours at my daughter's double header softball game. Wow. You know, we've, they've kind of visited and just kind of come into the daily fray of life, you know, today. That's nice. I have to work. It's been, it's been very, very nice. Um, I think that's like my favorite kind of family visit. Yeah. When people visit and, and or when you go visit someone and you just kind of like participate in their day to day. I finally
Doree: Totally. Yes.
Kate: That very cozy. We did go have dinner in Malibu.
Doree: Oh my gosh. Lovely.
Kate: Well, it's also my dad and stepmom's wedding anniversary. So we've got a lot to toast right now. There's
Doree: A lot going on
Kate: A lot happening here in the Spencer king household. So yeah. I mean, you know, uh, same on same old.
Doree: Well, I'm glad that you are getting this time with them,
Kate: You know, when you good family relationships. Good. Selfcare
Doree: Totally
Kate: Setting boundaries with the not so good relationships. Also self care shall take a,
Doree: Let's do. All right. We are back and we have a voicemail.
Voicemail: Hi, my name is Megan. I'm a forever 35 original listener. I came over from excellent adventure when you guys first started up and I just wanted to throw in my 2 cents on, I think you talked about it on episode two 20, the formula shortage. Um, my partner and I are foster parents in West Virginia. And so from the perspective of the current child welfare crisis that we're facing in this country, the number of kiddos that are being raised by non bio parents, um, clearly are all most likely unless you can work out a super special arrangement with, with bio Sam to procure, um, breast milk from mom or, or whichever partner is producing, then, um, you are not going to be able to feed any of these kids without formula. Um, and that doesn't even consider all of the kids that are being informally raised in, um, outside of the child welfare system by, um, non bio parents. And so it's, it's terrifying to, uh, have the, they bring you a kiddo and, and from, to really appreciate you guys bring attention, brings awareness, and may more solutions.
Doree: Uhh this formula Shortage,
Kate: Devastating, and such an important reminder from this listener. I really appreciated this point of view.
Doree: Yeah. I mean, people need formula for all kinds of reasons. Yeah. One of them being, you're a foster parent. I mean, like, it's just, it's just unbelievable how it's it's yet. Another thing that has made me be like, wow, our social fabric is hanging on by a fucking thread. What I mean is like, not just like kindness and empathy, but like
Kate: You can't feed people. Well,
Doree: Yeah. I mean, let's just like government, uh, in, uh, agencies whose literal job it is to oversee all this stuff just like failed and we've allowed the formula industry to be built up into these. Like it's basically run by three companies. And so I'm just say like the, the supply chain of it all is so fragile, that one factory going down
Kate: Mm-hmm <affirmative>
Doree: <affirmative> has like completely fucked up the entire formula supply chain. Like it's just crazy to me. Like, uh, there, no, there were no, there were no, um, safeguards in place. There was no backup. There was no plan. It was just like, well, if this goes down, guess we're fucked. And guess what? We're fucked. <laugh> you know, lemme just, lemme get off my soapbox. Hold
Kate: On, slide down that little soapbox.
Doree: But yeah, this really gets my goat.
Kate: I know. I get, it really gets my goat. All right. Well, let's just switch gears into something. That's a little more of an easy topic to digest and that is reading glasses. All right. The perfect antidote to the formula crisis.
Doree: I thought you were gonna go into the gender reveal one. I was like, no, actually I have a lot to say about that. No,
Kate: I'm gonna, I'm gonna take a break and then get you back on another soapbox story. Don't you worry?
Doree: I can't wait. All right. Here's this voicemail.
Voicemail: Hi, Kate Doree. Um, I was calling because while I make my efforts to remain, keep my face looking like I'm forever 35 with what, with skincare and injectables and whatnot. Um, I apparently cannot keep my eyes that way and it's come to my attention recently that I think at 43 it's time for some reading classes. Um, the other night as I was reading in, my husband had to tell me to move my book down because it was block closer to my face. It creep closer to my face. Um, so I just wondered y'all suggestions on reading glasses. Um, you know, always go back to the sex episode where Samantha got hers and son knows there's some cute ones out there. And, um, I'm afraid I'm gonna have to turn into one of those people who have them just all over the house and car and everywhere. But, um, anyway, this is a whole new frontier for me. And wondered if you or any listeners have good thoughts on, um, reading glasses brain. Thanks so much. Bye.
Kate: Well, I've just started dabbling into reading glasses.
Doree: Mm-hmm <affirmative>
Kate: So my husband has had to wear them for a few years and he is somebody who leaves them everywhere. He buys them like in bulk, at Costco, in whatever his little percentage is. And he just has them everywhere. And I honestly find it very charming. Like I love, he always has them like dangling off his shirt. And I like when he puts them on to read, I don't might find it even a little sexy. I I'm into his reading glasses.
Doree: Wow. Okay. All right.
Kate: So I would say like, embrace it, look like we're, we're getting older. There's nothing to hide. There's no shame, lean in, do what you need to do to make everything easier. Now, when I realized when I needed reading glasses was when I told my husband it would be easier if I had a magnifying glass, if I carried a magnifying glass around and he was like, tho that's reading glasses <laugh>
Doree: Oh my God.
Kate: I know. I was just like, wouldn't it be nice if we just could all have magnifying glasses? And he was, he was like,
Doree: Yeah. <laugh>
Kate: So I,
Doree: Oh my God, Kate that's
Kate: Know. I'm sorry was so no, it was so, uh, so silly of me couple years ago when I thought I needed reading glasses, but I didn't, I ordered a couple pairs. One of them is by, is Sophia's reading glasses line. She makes like really cute affordable, stylish reading glasses. I also love past forever 35 sponsor CAS mm-hmm <affirmative> C a D D I S I think they make the coolest glasses. They specifically make readers that look cool. Like, and you can, you can get them with their as blue light glasses, which is actually what I have by them. But like, they make great looking readers. And I honestly don't think you need to spend a ton of money on reading glasses because they are the kind of thing you stock up on. You lose, you like throw them on your head and then forget they're there. I would go to like, I buy direct. Zeny one of these affordable frame places and get yourself like scroll through and get yourself some cool ass looking readers. And I would also say like, this is a fun time to express yourself. I with reading glasses, I'm like, go big, go weird, go wild.
Doree: Wow. I love this. I love this philosophy. I
Kate: Just love, like, I just think reading glasses can be such a fun statement item. Yeah. You know, like you don't, I think you're right. If it's not your style fine. But like a lot of these Sophia Vigar is like the one I have are a tortoise shell cat eye with a sparkle I've got, it's like, you know, fake diamond en crusted. Mm-hmm why not Doree? Why not? Mm-hmm anyway, fellow reading glass wearers, where are the cool ones coming from?
Doree: Let us know,
Kate: Let us know.
Doree: Okay.
Kate: We have one, uh, last question to address in this segment here. Why don't I read it? Okay. Cause I already, I already know there might be a couple bees under our bonnets about this one. This listener wrote to us.
New Speaker: I have an etiquette question for you. I just learned that two people close to me are pregnant and I expect one more will be close behind. I am over the moon, excited to watch these families grow. Truly. I'm so happy. I can't stop thinking about it. However, these are the first babies in this group. And I expect now that quote, gender reveals are becoming the kind of thing. It seems like a lot of people do. At least one of these babies will have one I'm non-binary and I so, so strongly do not believe in them. I'm not sure what kind of reaction I'm allowed to have if slash when one or more gets planned, both sets of parents will be finding out the sex of the baby before birth. Maybe I'm putting the cart before the horse by worrying about this already, but I'm the only queer person in this group and wanna have a plan of action before it happens. And I say something stupid without thinking it through and upsetting someone. I love these people and I want to be kind, what do you think an appropriate response is for a celebration that I know is intended to be joyful? When I actually think it is a socially, a net negative and actively harmful. Any advice also from listeners who have navigated this before is welcome.
Doree: Kate, I'm curious to hear your thoughts.
Kate: Well, I first just wanna say, I'm not a queer person. I'm not an non-binary. I I'm coming to this from a different lived experience. So I just wanna say that. And I, I think it would be really valuable if other queer folk wanna weigh in on this because especially non non-binary folk or anybody whose gender identity does not fall into the binary. Because that being said, I agree with you listener a hundred percent and I feel the same exact way that you do. I find these to be very uncomfortable on many levels there. I find them to be unnecessary. I'm not a fan of this, the construct of gender. So I I'm with you. And I also just wanted to say something that I noticed, which you said, I love these people and I want to be kind well, I also think that I'm sure your friends feel this way about you and kindness would also be considering the impact of these parties on the people, the broader people in their lives, including you mm-hmm <affirmative>.
Kate: So I, I think it's a, it's a discussion that is worth just bringing up and it doesn't mean they might not still have them, but I think, I think just mentioning like, Hey, it, it, you know, I care about you and I just want you to know, you know, if this is something you're thinking of doing it, doesn't quite sit well with me. And I love you no matter what, and I'll support no matter, you know, whatever you decide to do, but it felt important for me to share this with you as somebody I care about who I believe cares about me.
Doree: Yes. I like all that. I mean, I, I, I, I do feel like there is a little, like don't borrow trouble aspect to this. Mm-hmm <affirmative> like, mm-hmm, <affirmative>, this might not end up being an issue at all. Your friends might not decide to do a gender reveal. I think gender reveals are so gross. And look, I, maybe there are people listening who did one. I still think they're gross. Um, and if you're like, I, I just don't think people should do them for so many reasons. Um, and I hope your friends don't do them. That's all I have to add.
Kate: Wow. Short and sweet from do Shrier <laugh>
Doree: There are just so many other ways to celebrate the coming birth of a child that don't involve fixation on their genitals. That I just feel like, why do people do this? <laugh>
Kate: I, I, I agree. That's I, I agree. I also think, you know, this kind of separate from the gender as aspect of it, there's this like very unnecessary, like constant, uh, spending that goes in. Like, I don't know. It just feels unnecessary to me. That being said, if you wanna celebrate your baby with 8 million parties. Great. But I do not. It does not need to be about the fucking
Doree: No
Kate: Of
Doree: Your baby. Not to mention let's talk about all the gender reveal parties that have like, gone wrong, like starting wildfires, killing people. I mean like some people go to such extremes with these stupid gender reveal parties that they end up causing like mass destruction
Kate: And the perpetuation of these like idiotic gender roles through these parties. Like even that one viral video of the father and mother with two daughters. And then they reveal the gender of the third kid and it's a daughter and the dad walks away and goes, ah, fuck. It's just like, oh, the toxic masculinity. That's constantly revealed at these fucking gender reveal parties. Wow. This was a soapbox. I didn't know I needed to go on, but apparently here I am.
Doree: Apparently we had thoughts. Yeah. Okay. Um, well we're gonna take a break. Let everyone think about what we just
Kate: Said<laugh> boy. And you know what we might hear from you if you disagree.
Doree: Yep. And we'll be back. All right. We are back. I loved this email. Kate, I'm just gonna put that on the record before I read it.
Kate: Okay.
New Speaker: Dear, Doree and Kate, your discussion in mini episode 3 0 8, about how it seems like our grandparents genuinely looked older than we do at the same age. Got me thinking. I agree that cosmetic procedures and fashion have made a difference. My 92 year old grandmother has been rocking the same hairstyle since she was 15 in 1945, but I would also argue that public health measures have actually changed the way our skin ages. I think the two most important differences are the dramatic decrease in rates of smoking and advances in sunscreen, technology and utilization. While we didn't apply sunscreen daily. When we were children in the 1980s, many families that U at least used it before days at the beach, et cetera, an option that wasn't even available when our grandparents were children over the years, damage from smoking and UV radiation really do add up. Thanks for the podcast.
Kate: Great point.
Doree: Such a great point.
Kate: God, well, we didn't apply sunscreen when we were children in the eighties. Yeah, we didn't. I do. You are right. Many families did use it, but we were using, I mean, I remember the highest we ever had was like eight.
Doree: Really?
Kate: We would maybe get up to 15. Well, by early on, I remember so many fours and eights.
Doree: Yeah. We, I mean, we always used the highest for, I mean, I remember for a while, like 15 was the highest.
Kate: Yes.
Doree: When they came in with 30, it was like a big deal. Um, but my dad has very, my dad was a redhead. My he's still, that makes sound like he's dead. He's still alive, but his hair is not red anymore. Um, but he has very fair skin and has not melanoma, but he's, he has another form of skin cancer. And so he's always been very, um, very obsessive about sun protection. So I feel like I got a little bit more of that than maybe the average eighties kid did also. I burn, like I literally do not tan. And so like, it was just like, okay, if I wanna be on the sun and not be like bright red, I have to put on sunscreen. So that just like, it is what it is.
Kate: I will tell you that my, you know, whatever we did in the eighties, my father does not. He's very sun conscious. So is my stepmom. But my dad, we went swimming in our pool and my dad, he, dad has a long sleeve sun shirt with a hood. So he comes out. Ooh. Yeah. I mean, it looks, I said to Anthony, I was like, if he ever wore this, when I was a teenager, I would've been more mortified than I can explain, but now I just like admire his son protection.
Doree: Yeah. I like it.
Kate: Yeah. Great point listener. Excellent point. Uh, finally this text story.
Text: Oh, hello there. So my husband and I were insanely lucky enough to buy a house in February and moved in March. So it's been a few months now. My problem is that it still doesn't smell like my house. We went away for a few days and came back and wow. It really still doesn't smell like our house still smells like maybe the pups who lived here before we had the carpets professionally cleaned and I've been vacuuming and lighting candles like crazy, but no luck. I know you two are smell of fishy autos and sent us so important to me. So do you, are the listeners have any ideas on how to have my house smell like ours? Question mark.
Kate: Okay. I have a thought.
Doree: Okay. I'm listening
Kate: And it's not a good one.
Doree: Okay. I, I think I might be on the same path as you, but go on.
Kate: So you mentioned the pups, you mentioned that maybe the house smells like the pops who lived beer before and you mentioned carpets. And I'm going to tell you that I had a bass hound from the ages of eight to 19, who smelled rancid. She was rancid and her scent permeated the entire house after she died. The only way to get rid of the smell was to rip the carpets up and out of the house. <laugh> getting the feeling Doree agrees with me. But I think that, I think you're not dealing with like, how do I get the scent in my house? You're dealing with a, an actual odor that's not gonna go away. And so you might have to budget to re to literally remove it from your home.
Doree: Kate. I was, I was, I was going to say, you might have to rip up the carpet and you might have to paint.
Kate: Oh, really? Can smells get onto walls
Doree: Instead. Yeah, I think so this, this, this is not something that's like really gonna go away. In my opinion. I, I am also very dubious about the actual efficacy of carpet cleaning.
Kate: Oh, like it doesn't actually do
Doree: Anything. Yeah. Like it sort of superficially cleans mm-hmm <affirmative>, but it doesn't like, I don't know, I could be wrong about this, but I, I remember like at some point, like wanting to clean some carpets and someone being like, well, you know, steam cleaning doesn't really do anything. Um, which might be why you got this profession, you know, you got these carpets professionally clean and nothing has happened. <laugh> yeah. Um, yeah. I like, I hate to say it, but I think you might need to replace the carpet. And I know that that, like, that's a big expense, but also like, presumably you're gonna be living in this house for a long time and you want it to feel like you are home. You don't wanna feel like you're living with the pee ghosts of, of other dogs.
Kate: Yeah. And as someone who has lived with a smelly dog and who like the smell lingers long AF long after they're gone, like it's no joke. You can't get rid of that smell.
Doree: Yeah.
Kate: Um, unless you physically remove it. So I'm sorry. This is my answer and do's answer. But
Doree: Yeah, I would, I would say replace the carpets and, and if you can also paint
Kate: God's speed.
Doree: God speed. I mean, now, so this is like so annoying to hear after you've moved in, you know,
Kate: And had the carpets professionally carpet clean and spent that money. Totally. Oh,
Doree: I mean, but that, you know, like I'm allergic to cats, for example. And like, whenever I would like, look at an apartment, if I even caught the faints whiff of cat, it would be like, definitely not because I was like, I'm never, I feel like I'm never gonna get rid of that smell.
Kate: Yeah. Yeah. And it like starts to irritate your body too, right? Yeah. I assume. Yeah.
Doree: Yeah. Totally.
Kate: Oh, well, good luck listener.
Doree: All right. Well, thanks everyone. Thanks Kate.
Kate: No, thank you, Doree.
Doree: Okay. All right. Bye. Bye.