Mini-Ep 273: Short Hair, Who Cares?
Kate experiences the Encanto craze and Doree has a writing revelation. Then, listeners write in about the relatability of the Wynter Mitchell interview, ask how to manage complicated feelings toward a grieving friend, and wonder if anyone else does that skin scrape thing in the shower.
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Kate: Hello, and welcome to forever 35, a podcast about the things we do to take care of ourselves. I'm Kate Spencer,
Doree: and I'm Doree Shafrir,
Kate: and we are not experts.
Doree: No, but we are two friends who like to talk a lot about serums.
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Kate: I have a sick kid home again today, Doree <laugh>.
Doree: Oh gosh.
Kate: <laugh> I got the call from the nurse. Sore throat again.
Doree: No, uh,
Kate: sore throat currently. COVID negative, but who knows?
Doree: Gosh, it's never ending. Huh?
Kate: It feels relentless. I mean, you know, this would be like the norm in the winter anyway, but I think because there's always the now there's like, this is it the, is it COVID question looming over everything? Mm-hmm <affirmative> it just makes it, you know, like colds and a normal part of year round life, but especially winter life, but yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Who knows? I wanted to pose a question please. And I don't think you are going through this, but I think other people might be, do we have thoughts on incon as the 2020 self care practice or ex let me say this. Do we have thoughts on incon as the first self care pop culture moment of 2020
Doree: You mean 2022.
Kate: Oh, wait. Yeah. Yeah. We're in 2022. That's right. That's right.
Doree: <laugh>.
Kate: Meaning, like, not that there hasn't been other amazing pop culture to consume, but I get the sense that a lot of adults are really letting go within Canto and it might be part of self care. Like it might be how people are just kind of getting through right now, because we don't talk about Bruno as the numbers, one song in the, in the country.
Doree: Right, right, right. Yeah.
Kate: Just wanted to get your Thoughts on this.
Doree: Well, I have not seen the film, so it's hard for me to truly weigh in on this, but I, I will say everyone. I know with children over the age of like, I would say between the ages of like four and 12, let's say like they have gone Encanto mad in those households.
Kate: I'm telling you, I'm telling you that is what I'm experiencing right now.
Doree: So we are a little too young for this.
Kate: and you aren't into it on your own. Like you, are you rocking out to the tunes or. It's just, just not really.
Doree: I am not. It has not really hit in our home. I feel like I'm, <laugh> I feel like it's like the calm before the storm for me, where like, I know a year from now, Henry's gonna be like all up in like every Disney movie's business. And I'm just like, let me just have a moment of peace before the starts. <laugh>
Kate: It's coming for you.
Doree: It's definitely coming. And you know what, when it comes, I will embrace it. I will be ready for it. But right now I'm just like, okay, let me just like, not feel like I need to get super into this right now. Although who knows. Maybe I would enjoy it.
Kate: I mean, I only ask because I saw a, I've seen a lot of tos and they're all of like middle aged moms, really rock and hard to the Encanto soundtrack.
Doree: Don't you think that's because they have kids who are in that age range and they that's what I got exposed to it.
Kate: That is how I've heard. I mean, I, I think that's how all this happens. It's how I know every word to like every frozen and Moana song. But I also think the, the music and the movie are really resonating. Separately.
Doree: Yes, yes, yes. I hear you. I do.
Kate: A lot of the videos are people like getting a lot of aggressive energy out as they rock out to a lot of the music. And I feel like there's just a lot of like physical release coming along. I might be reading way too into TikTok that I'm watching.
Doree: Oh, that's interesting.
Kate: But this is me psychoanalyzing STR like culture on the internet. I feel like there's some sort of emotional release coming through the enjoyment of this music, which is very earworm-y, catchy. I mean, it's, the songs are great. Um, and I enjoyed the movie fine, but you know, like my kids sit with each other. I mean, that's all, it's all I hear all day long.
Doree: Wow. Okay. Yeah.
Kate: So I'm just curious if anyone's, if anyone's connected to it in that way, because I, I don't know, know, it feels bigger than just like kids love this, if there's something bigger going on, but I don't quite know. And, and I mean, obviously like one thing that's amazing about it is seeing representation on screen of people. We haven't really seen as much, especially in a Disney movie. I mean we're seeing a family in Columbia, most Disney movies, you know, for the last 50 years have been just white people. So.
Doree: mm-hmm, <affirmative>,
Kate: I think thats an amazing part of it. So I don't want to, you know, not acknowledge that. Maybe that's I, I don't know. I'm just, I'm curious about what it is. If you're an adult Encanto fam, I need to hear from you.
Doree: Yes. Please
Kate: Reach out. I'm gonna Google adult Encanto fans and see what I find.
Doree: I bet you find a lot.
Kate: <laugh> Honestly, I mean, I'm love being an adult Disney person. I have no shame in that. I love being adult Disney.
Doree: Were you adult Disney before you moved to Southern California?
Kate: Let's just say this. When I was 29 years old, Anthony and I took a 10 day trip to Disney world.
Doree: Oh that's right! <Laugh> That's right.
Kate: before we had children.
Doree: 10 days,
Kate: 10 days. It might have been like nine or eight day, but it was a very long trip. I don't know what we were thinking. And then it downpoured on our first day. And we did the magic kingdom in like two hours because it was raining and no one was there. So we like exhausted all the parks by day three, we were like testing out mini golf courses. Like we were doing, we went to all the hotels.
Doree: Did you go, go to universal? Did you go to sea world?
Kate: We didn't leave the property. No, no, no, no,
Doree: my gosh,
Kate: no, no. We don't talk about,
Doree: You know, you were like probably like 10 years too early, but I feel like now there's this whole world of Disney vloggers on YouTube.
Kate: Yes!
Doree: So basically, like some of them seem to literally like live at the parks. Like they will spend like five days in one hotel, then they'll spend like four days in another hotel and they're like bopping around. And like, I mean, it's just, it's, it's very intense. So like you and Anthony could have been YouTubers.
Kate: Were we the Original Disney adult Disney influencers.
Doree: Yes. You were.
Kate: We were not. I mean, and I'm not, I'm not like a hardcore Disney adult, but, um, you know, but I have no shame in the fact that I'm an adult who enjoys Disney and Disney world Disneyland. Yeah. I have, I have a hat. I have ears. I have two Mickey hats. I've got a lot, I've got a lot of stuff anyway. That's where I'm at. Right. Right now <laugh> deep breaths. I'm really excited.
Doree: Um, Kate, I have to thank you.
Kate: I'm so excited about this. I'm so excited.
Doree: So I have been talking recently about how I can't consume anything like sad or depressing.
Kate: Yeah. A lot of people have reached out to us about this who are feeling the same. Yeah.
Doree: So I'm, I'm glad that I'm not alone on that front. That's like very reassuring. Um, and then I had this revelation about this manuscript that I've been sort of working on, on and off for the last, I don't know, five months or so five or six months that I haven't really touched in a couple of months. And I said to Kate, I think I'm not working on my book because it's too depressing. And <laugh>, it was like, oh, wow. Yeah. Like I had created this world that to like live in it for me was just sort of grim. Well,
Kate: Then I said like, tell me about it. And Doree laid out like grim thing after grim thing going on in this world <laugh> And then, then was like, oh yeah. And I forgot.dot, dot, dot. There's also this grim thing. Like you had a lot of really like dark, heavy things all happening.
Doree: I did, I did.
Kate: In this world. You were creating that I think would be hard to kind of work anytime. Yeah. But especially in this current moment.
Doree: Yeah. So, um, but, you know, I also sort of sketched out the, the broad plot points and you seemed into it genuinely.
Kate: mm-hmm <affirmative>.
Doree: And so that was also encouraging because it's something that I haven't really taught, talked about with many people or any people. Um, so that was also nice just to be like, oh, well, okay. Maybe this is despite the grimness, maybe this is something worth pursuing. And then Kate had a very good idea of how to simultaneously get slightly darker initially. But then that would like, get the darkness out <laugh>. very quickly.
Kate: mm-hmm <affirmative> mm-hmm <affirmative> yep. In with dark. And out with the dark.
Doree: Yes. And then I could kind of move on and I was like, oh, that's a good idea. And so it was really, it was really nice to have conversation. Um, Kate was very helpful as usual. It kind of like keep going with these, resurrected my interest in it and like resurrected my belief that it's like, not a bad idea.
Kate: It's definitely not. I was really excited about it. That's why I was like, please don't please don't give up, I love this.
Doree: And so I worked on it a little bit today with the help of the time timer.
Kate: Oh, I love a time timer.
Doree: They were kind enough to send us several time timers. So I have one of them. I now have one of them on my desk, um, and used it to help me write a little bit today, not a ton. Like I was like, you know what, I'm just gonna ease into this. Do a couple of like sprints.
Kate: That's great. That's all you need.
Doree: And that's all I need. I don't need to sit down for five hours and try to like, get a ton of stuff out. Like I just need to ease back into this. And I did. So.
Kate: Congratulations! This is fantastic.
Doree: Thank you Kate. I really have to credit you. Wow. I mean, I will take it. I really appreciate you.
Kate: God. Thank you. Are, I mean, shall I go.
Doree: Are you touched? <Laugh>.
Kate: Yes. <laugh> dedicate this book to me. I mean, really? It should, you should name a character after me. I mean, I'm, I'm here for the accolades.
Doree: Just one more thing that I remembered before we take a break. I am getting a monstrous sit on my nose.
Kate: Oh no, like right in the center.
Doree: and it it's right here. Can you, can you see where I'm pointing?
Kate: I do see where you're kind of.
Doree: like on the tip, like the left, it's like the left side nostril and the tip. And I feel like my nose is kind of bulbous. So it has like a, I don't know, whatever it it's one of those zips that is like growing under and it has, has turned the front of my nose, bright red. I have a pimple patch on it right now. So it doesn't look as red as it did. But like, I mean, literally I felt like a clown, my husband this morning was like, why is your nose red?
Kate: Oh no.
Doree: And I was like, it's a zip. He was like, you kind of look like WC fields. And I was like,
Kate: oh great, thanks.
Doree: Thanks. But he's not, he's not wrong. Look, he's not wrong. Um, so I'm just, I'm just navigating that. It, it, it poked a little bit out this morning and I was able to get a little bit of gunk out, but it's not, it's not fully de gunked yet. And I'm just like, come on. Can we like, get this over with?
Kate: Doree! Oh, it's the worst. It's the worst. Oh, I'm sorry. So those really like hurt-y ones under the skin.
Doree: Yes. But I've never had one right here that really like mm-hmm <affirmative>. I mean, my nose got red, like, it was crazy. Like inflamed.
Kate: Have you been like icing it at all?
Doree: No, but maybe I should.
Kate: Cause I've honestly, it sounds like it is inflamed.
Doree: I've been pimple patching, like mad <laugh>.
Kate: it's pretty good. We still don't have to go out too far in public right now with our jobs.
Doree: Well also when we go out in public, it's covered by my mask.
Kate: Ah that's right.
Doree: So that at least.
Kate: that's right.
Doree: Anyway. All right. Now we should really take a break.
Kate: Take a break. Okay.Bye bye.
Doree: Alright. We have returned. Oh, Kate, I'm sorry. I do have one more update.
Kate: What?
Doree: I know we already took a break, but I have another update. <laugh>.
Kate: what's going on?
Doree: Very quickly. I finished persuasion.
Kate: Ooh.
Doree: And I I've,
Kate: I've Never read it.
Doree: I've moved on to Mansfield park.
Kate: Nice. You are in an Austen phase.
Doree: I am! Well, and you know, I realized I, I never read Mansfield park or persuasion. I've read me neither pride and prejudice sense and sensibility Emma and Northanger Abby. But I never read,
Kate: I never read that either.
Doree: Uh, Mansfield Park or Persuasion and, and it, there it's really, they're really quite delightful to read.
Kate: Oh, okay. This could be a fun diversion. Okay. I'm very happy for you. I like an Austen phase for you.
Doree: I might even go back and read the ones that I've already read, because like, I mean, when was the last time I read them? Probably college. Which was like a thousand years ago?
Kate: Yeah. That's I, I read Pride and Prejudice again in like 2010 and went through like a big Pride and Prejudice phase and read like the kind of approved fan fiction. Like the sequels, like Mr. Darcy Takes a Wife. I think it's called. Yeah. And I read Pride and Prejudice and Zombies. Do you think we should try to get Jane Austen on the pod?
Doree: Probably.
Kate: Right!
Doree: Do you have her contact info?
Kate: Yeah. Yeah. I'll just shoot. I'll shoot her people an email. I feel like she'd be great. I would love to hear about her self care practices.
Doree: She would be great. I mean, I know, nevermind. I'm not gonna say
Kate: <laugh> like, I can't wait to hear what that was gonna.
Doree: Okay. All right. Let's hear from some listeners. Enough about me.
Kate: Enough of us! Ugh.
Doree: Um, all right. This is a text that we received.
Text Message: Hi Kate and Doree, I just listened to your interview with Wynter Mitchell and wanted to thank her for sharing her infertility story. I usually feel so alone in my pain and frustration and longing and she made me feel so seen and heard. I've been doing IUI and IVF since 2019 with no success and no explanation as to what is wrong. Multiple doctors have made me feel like this is my fault--I've eaten the wrong things, exercised too much, exercised too little, been too stressed (which only makes me more stressed), drank the wrong water (one natural doc told me the water in LA has too much metal in it and tried to sell me his very expensive filter), etc etc. that makes me feel anger and shame that's so unproductive. I've also written a three page letter to my doc about how carelessly they've handled my treatment after sending me the completely wrong protocol with the wrong meds the night before starting a cycle and only then did she start taking my calls. Women are at their most vulnerable when seeking fertility treatment and yet we are made to feel like garbage. It's not okay. I don't know how to fix it except to share my own story and hope it makes others feel less alone. Love you both and thank you.
Doree: Mm. Oh, I've been there.
Kate: Oh, I bet you have. I'm so glad this listener shared with us. Thank you for doing that.
Doree: Yeah.
Kate: And I also love that they wrote a three page letter to their doctor because Hmm. Yeah. Good for you.
Doree: I mean. The, we could talk about this for hours, but I, I do think part of the problem is it's often not covered by insurance. It's not closely regulated. And so it feels, it doesn't, it's not, doesn't feel like a scam when you're going through it, but it does feel a little bit like, are these people just taking advantage of me?
Kate: Yeah.
Doree: Is anything they're doing like actually doing anything and why did I just spend like $20,000?
Kate: Mm-hmm <affirmative>.
Doree: You know, like it, and it just like keeps going and like it it's so painful and stressful. Um, Ugh, I'm sorry. This blows.
Kate: It does blow, but I, I love that you really seem to have this listener has really seen through the. And, um, I'm glad that you are sharing this because we are totally, always made to feel like it's our fault. And I think that is, is especially true with fertility
Doree: mm-hmm <affirmative>
Kate: Anyway. Yep. Yeah. Thank you. Listener. We received a lot of, um, messages about our interview with winter and.
Doree: we did.
Kate: And just how people really moved by what winter shared. I'm really. I'm really glad we had that conversation.
Doree: Me too.
Kate: All right. Doree. An email poor, poor us. I was gonna say pour vous but I guess that's that's the plural.
Doree: pour nous.
Kate: Pour nous? Pour us <laugh>
Doree: It's for us, right?
Kate: Yeah. It is.
Doree: Pour nous
Kate: Nous, yeah. Wait, is it nous? We okay. I don't remember. Sorry, French people,
Doree: But it also, it also means us.
Kate: Okay. I'll have that straightened out by the time we go on our tour of France or Quebec <laugh>.Hi Kat and Dorr, first time long time!
Email: I'm reaching out for hair advice. I'm 32 years old and have spent most of my adult life with big, Topanga (Boy Meets World ref) hair. After a horrendous 2021, I decided to get a pixie cut. It was something I've wanted to do for years.
I feel so great with my new, short hair, and I get a lot of compliments from my female friends and colleagues. I even get compliments from strangers! I'm sure you both, along with your audience, can guess the one person in my life who hasn't been as generous with the compliments, though. My husband.
To his credit, my husband has never (ever!) told me what to do with my hair or any other part of my physical appearance. At least in words, he is always supportive of my choices and tells me I'm beautiful. But when I came home with my drastic cut I knew immediately that he wasn't in to it. I basically feel that he, like many men, has been socialized to prefer long hair.
I feel so confident during the day. But when I come home at night or when we're being intimate, my confidence drains. Again, this is not because of anything my husband says or does. But I read people very well and know what my husband is secretly thinking.
Is this haircut worth it? Despite the power and confidence I feel during the day, does it really do anything if the one person I care most about doesn't like it? I am undecided about whether or not to grow out my hair. I would love your thoughts. Love the pod!!!
Kate: Hmm. Doree, do you have thoughts?
Doree: Well, my first thought is, have you had a conversation with him about this?
Kate: No. She Says.
Doree: it sounds like no.
Kate: Yes. Okay. I think you're going where I wanna go here.
Doree: Yeah. So, you know, I think, I think it's worth having this a very open conversation with your husband, um, about this. This also really reminds me of the episode of my so-called life, where the mom comes home with a pixie cut.
Kate: Oh! Yes. Oh my God. I forgot about that Episode.
Doree: And the dad is like, oh,
Kate: I mean, you know what I will say when I was 17, my boyfriend at the time had the most beautiful kind of like wavy curly blonde hair, Ooh. To like his chin and like, look, I was a hippie. It really scratched the itch inside me. And then he cut it all off and I cried. I fully cried.
Doree: Wow.
Kate: Yeah know, I'm not saying that this isn't completely like there's gender normative happening here. I totally agree with you listener. But I will say I have had that kind of like, and I didn't mean I wasn't trying to be an, but I just really thought he looked hot with the sh the long hair I still was attracted to him. I'm sure your husband. I mean, I'm, I'm, I think Doree is right. A conversation must be had, even though you, we do know our spouses very well. You don't know what he's really thinking. And even if he is thinking what you think he's thinking, I think it's better to get it out in the open.
Doree: I agree.
Kate: And also, yes, the haircut's worth it. You feel power and confidence during the day. Like, I think it's all it. And I, I don't mean to put this on you, but I think you have to decide if you cannot give a about what your husband thinks of your hair,
Doree: But I think you have to talk to him about it.
Kate: Yeah, I do too. And also like, he needs to deal, but it sounds like he is trying to, it sounds like he does. He hasn't said anything, but I think it sounds like it's worth it. All that matters is that you love it and you do.
Doree: mm-hmm <affirmative>
Kate: You love it. You love how it looks. You feel confident you've wanted to do this your whole life. I mean, you wrote power and confidence. Those are amazing ways to feel. I, I just, I think if this is your hair, if this is your hairstyle, you know, your husband's gonna have to grow to accept it after the conversation you're gonna have. And I think that means you have to take that power and confidence and just channel it into not really giving a shit whether or not he likes it.
Doree: Yes.
Kate: Can I say one more thing? I know for,
Doree: yes, you may.
Kate: I know for a fact that my, my husband prefers me with short hair, like prof is attract. Okay. Let me, let me phrase this differently.
Doree: Oh, okay.
Kate: I know for a fact that Anthony really loves when I have short haircuts, he loves short hair. I think on women, he likes it on me. I think if he was gonna do my hair, he would cut it short. And like, sh I'm talking like shorter. Yeah. He loves a short hairdo, but he likes, you know, like, but I don't give a shit. My hair's really long right now. Like, I, he, he does not factor at all into my decision making on my hair. Does Matt?
Doree: Uh, no. No, but I know he likes long hair.
Kate: Okay. Okay.
Doree: Which is interesting.
Kate: Um, I guess what I'm saying to this listener is that I can loan you, Anthony, and he will compliment and love your pixie. Cut.
Doree: <laugh>. That is so generous.
Kate: Yeah. I'll just give you, I'll just hand over my husband for a little bit. He'll he'll like it, and then he can come back here where I have long hair.
Doree: Great. I love his plan.
Kate: He's a long hair, man. All
Doree: Right. We are gonna take another break. And then we're coming back with a very spicy email.
Doree: All right. We're back. Um, as promised here's the spicy email <laugh> do you think that's an accurate representation? Perhaps I over, I overdid it there.
Kate: I don't think it's spicy.
Doree: It's not spicy.
Kate: I think my feelings about it or spicy.
Doree: That's. That's what I meant. I meant that like our, our, I think our responses to it are going to be spicy. Okay. <laugh> here we go.
Email: Hi Kat and Dor,
I’m currently struggling to tolerate my grieving best friend’s behaviour. Her partner I’d also become friends with died very suddenly last December completely flipping her life upside down and moving her across the country back home. I don’t blame her for relying on alcohol and flouting Covid recommendations to hangout with anyone who is available, I know she is just trying to scrape by this terrible year. She’s been receptive to my gentle inquiries and concerns, but I’m struggling to continue to put her first when these behaviours are building walls to being able to be there for her and heartbroken watching from the sidelines as my best friend spirals. What is the space where I can feel my own hurt and annoyance over these losses and show up for my best friend when she needs it the most?
Thank you for the valuable work you do,
Heather
Kate: Okay. Heather, here's the first thing I want you to do. I Want you to Google grief ring theory. Okay. And this might help you kind of understand where you should go to talk about what you're feeling. It basically is a model that centers, the person who is grieving at the center of this. Um, what's the word image, this circle. And then every ring, um, represents the person closest to them next, closest, next closest, you know, from like immediate family members or spouse or partner or kids, or whoever to like all the way out to like acquaintances or work colleagues or whatever. And the general philosophy is that wherever you are in that circle, you can dump your feelings outward, but you do not go in, you give comfort in and you dump out. Does that, does that sound comprehensible? Does that make sense? As I said,
Doree: I mean, I'm familiar with ring theory, but it does make sense to me the way you have explained it.
Kate: Because as someone who wrote a book about my mom dying somewhat suddenly, and I have a lot of thoughts about grief and what it means to grieve. And I, I would, I, I know it, I think it can be really hard and confusing when someone is grieving and you don't quite know how to process it. So I would take those concerns and talk to people about them. Um, but I, but I'm, I think you need to keep showing up for your friend in a way reps honors your boundaries, because respectfully it's not about you, but you are sound like you're feeling your own hurt, hurt, and annoyance over these losses. I don't know what annoyance means, but it sounds like you're also grieving this person. And so you have a right to feel grief. And I do think you need to find your people, that you can express your grief, your frustration, et cetera, to. Um, but then I think you also need to tap into your empathy well, and understand that you don't fully understand what this person's going through.
Doree: I love everything you're saying. I also want to gently suggest to this listener that it can be challenging when people do not perform grief in the way that we are expecting, or we want them to, or we think is quote, unquote appropriate. And I think it is on you to let the preconceptions go
Kate: Doree. I think that's really great advice.
Doree: Thank you, Kate. Um,
Kate: Yeah, and I think it's fair for this person to honor her frustration. Um, but you need to find your space for that.
Doree: Totally. All right.
Kate: All right. Doree, let's play a voicemail before we wrap up, um, from a listener who has a question about their shower habits.
Voicemail: Hi, this is Melissa calling from Ontario, Canada. Uh, I literally just got out of a darkened closet blindfolded because I finally read, uh, Glennon Doyle's untamed, which I've been avoiding for so long because it just seemed annoying, but I really liked her sit on meditation. Um, so I'm giving it a try. And one of the thoughts that came in my head, which I know you're supposed to let them pass you by and focus on the breathing. But one of the thoughts I had was, oh, I meant to call forever 35 and ask them this question. So I'm just wondering if anybody else does this when you're in the shower and you're the end of the shower when your skin is really soft, does anybody else like take their fingernail and sort of scratch or drag it across, like the sides of your nose or the middle of your chin, or sort of anywhere else on your face where you get a very satisfy, but disgusting, you know, dead skin cells or other things under your fingernail. You can very visibly see what you've just taken off your face. I dunno if anyone else says that, but I always feel like I've just given myself a little extra exfoliation or something. Anyway. Just curious if anyone else else has done this. If it's bad for me, I still probably do it cause it's really satisfying. But anyway, thank you so much. I love, love, love the podcast I'm still behind, but I like to stay them. So I kind of keep them as a treat. Um, and thank you for all. You do much appreciated. Bye.
Doree: This is a real, um, Alison Rosen Is Your New Best Friend JMOE situ.
Kate: mm-hmm <affirmative>.
Doree: “Just me or everyone” for people who are not familiar. Um, yeah.
Kate: And is it just this person or is it everyone?
Doree: I mean, I do not do this. Do you do this?
Kate: nor I, no, no.
Doree: In this sample size of people, <laugh>, it's just you listener, but we throw this out to the rest of the listening audience. Does anyone else do this? Please let us know.
Kate: Yep. And even if nobody else does, it's totally normal.
Doree: Um, well on that note, let's say farewell to all of our friends.
Kate: Thank you all so much for listening and trusting us with your questions and thoughts.
Doree: All right. Bye, everyone.