Kate takes a cue from Doree and starts sleeping with her phone outside of her bedroom, while Doree talks potentially going back to caffeine. Plus, they discuss burnout and how to actually enjoy a vacation. Then they welcome sisters and co-authors of Burnout: The Secret to Unlocking the Stress Cycle , Emily and Amelia Nagoski to chat about navigating the cycle of stress, solutions to responding to the patriarchy, learning to recognize when you’re burned out, and forming healthy sexual relationships.

Mentioned in this episode:

• Fleishman Is In Trouble: A Novel by Taffy Brodesser-Akner

• The Incendiaries: A Novel by R.O Kwon

• How to Be a Family: The Year I Dragged My Kids Around the World to Find a New Way to Be Together by Dan Kois

• The Wedding Party by Jasmine Guillory

• Twice in a Blue Moon by Christina Lauren

• Study about planning vacations and happiness

• Podcast Movement

• Come As You Are by Emily Nagoski

• How Not to Fall by Emily Foster

• How Not to Let Go by Emily Foster

• Down Girl: The Logic of Misogyny by Kate Manne

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