This week, Kate and Doree discuss the status of their skincare routines, the siren song of expensive products, and grappling with claustrophobic clutter. Plus: Kate falls through a trampoline in an exercise class and Doree’s got an ant infestation. Then they sit down with R.O. Kwon, author of The Incendiaries. She chats about sheet-masking whilst writing, the grief-filled experience of losing her faith, how she perfected her signature eyeliner look, and why it was important to her to come out publicly as bisexual.

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• Revlon One-Step Hair Dryer

• Dyson Supersonic Hair Dryer

• Dylan Teaches Finance (Giving our listeners 20% off!)

• LEKFIT

• Busy Philipps

• Ants Marching by Dave Matthews Band

• Augustinus Bader The Cream

• CoQ10 Serum

• The Incendiaries by R.O. Kwon

• Origins Clean Energy Cleansing Oil

• COSRX Low-pH Good Morning Cleanser

• Son & Park Beauty Water

• Klairs Supple Preparation Toner

• COSRX Galactomyces 95 Balancing Toner

• SK-II Facial Treatment Essence

• Stratia Liquid Gold

• Curology

• Sunday Riley Good Genes

• R.O Kwon, “Why I Don’t Leave the House Without Putting on Black Eye Shadow” on The Cut

• Etude House Proof 10 Eye Primer

• NYX Hot Singles Eye Shadow in Raven

• Marc Jacobs Highliner Gel Eye Crayon Eyeliner

• Mini-Ep 72 w/ Eye Makeup Remover Recs

• MEDIHEAL Tea Tree Mask

• The Lady in the Lake by Laura Lippman

• Hot in Hellcat Canyon by Julie Anne Long

• Coco Floss

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